NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Magister Ludi]

What up!

SpyreX who we lynching?

Yosarian who's town?

[Magister Ludi]

Why was there one kill night one and three night two. Was this answered somewhere in here?

I'll read this soon.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Mr.Zepher

I'll have a longer post up by tonightish.

[Magister Ludi]

Top Secret Replacement Reads:

Scum:
MrZepher: This is THE best possible lynch today. How does anyone read him as town?

Others include possibly SpyreX saporo.

I think this game becomes a lot easier once we lynch Mr.Zepher.

I think the cases on chair and kanye and god knows who else are not that strong at all, I'm not really feeling anti town sentiment from either.

[Magister Ludi]

Willing to explain a little if needed. Realize that was rather short winded.

[Magister Ludi]

huh? Yosarian is voting zepher. And generally, games become easier once scum die and we can build of connections.

I think you should switch to zepher. Do you have a post detaling why chair is more scum to you than him?

[Magister Ludi]

Also, whats you read on mastin?

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin, why do you think the scum were all on the empking wagon, as opposed to all off, or a mixture?

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin, it looks to me like you are trying to chain a grip of lynches and scum reads around an event that was apparently going to be happening no matter what: that being the empking scum lynch.

[Magister Ludi]

That post was left unfinished. Anyways, continuing,

Empking was going to be lynched, and I'm not entirely sure where you are getting the thoery that multiple scum had to be on the wagon, when just as easily you could have said multiple scum are probably OFF the wagon and going from there.

To me it reads as arbitarly assigning a scum tell to something that is at best null, and then deciding something

has

to be done because of that tell.

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I mean, if you were scum, you sure as hell would know the thought process you're running through right now, and would try as hard as possible to stay off the wagon and then push the fact scum were probably on the wagon, no?

[Magister Ludi]

[Magister Ludi]

{Kayne, Yos2, KoC/Ludi} contains 1 scum. (80% sure of that, now. 19% being 2 scum. A gratuitous 1% for all-town, which quite frankly I find pretty much impossible.)

No, all these people are probably town. I asked kayne a question about your alignment not even checking the vote-count, he answered that you were probably town, despite the fact you were voting him. Thats a town mindset.

Yosarian is town as well, as am I.

Seriously, I don't understand the pro-town intent behind making so many conditional If X than Y or one of A B or C is Scum so that means this to E D etc. Either someone is scum, or not. Chair is probably not. If you're going to vote one of them, vote saporo. (But you're not voting her. You should be )

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SpyreX, whats your read on mastin2?

[Magister Ludi]

Idher, unless town knew for a fact there was a vigilante on day two, there was no point in holding off lynching someone who was almost certainly scum in the hope that there was a vigilante to shoot him in an effort to dodge a potential booky (who nobody knew for sure existed)

[Magister Ludi]

Why are we still arguing about whether or not to lynch empking yesterday which seems to have no value in finding scum today.

MrZepher is scum. Ask if you want cool cat reasons.

[Magister Ludi]

To Mr Zepher,

To convince town you're scum, here is my 'case' as some call it.

Love,

Ludi
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Para, you've made a lot of unbiased posts, and not very smart moves. You're trying to cover yourself up too hard. Obvious scum is obvious. VOTE: Parabollocks

This was Swag, looking like a scum trying to hop onto the crappy and easy lynch of parabollocks.

Hiraki and KKC are okay [vigging targets]
Vote: Untrod Tripod
Dramonic - Null leaning scum

You want two town vigged here (assuming KKC is Knight of Cydnoia). While this doesn't immediatly make you scum, not finding or voting scum for extended periods of time makes me think YOU are scum looking to gun down poor innocent townies. And you seem to be all over the townies this game! You can't really argue this, its an outside irrefutable observation!

I find Yos' slip damning, and Idher's potential chainsaw damning.

This is crap, since both are probably town.

I'm almost too lazy to look for questions directed at me.

Laziness is more likely to come from scum than town in my experience.

NOT BEFORE I GET MY WALL UP. FOOL.

Usually people who want to stall to get a nice 'awesome' wall up are scum. They want to hide any sembalance of scumhunting in a mountain of text.

Townier than null: KoC,

tl;dr Ludi is scum.

Hmmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I think you're scum for this flipflop.

[Magister Ludi]

huh? I'm not scum, so I can't bus anyone. Why do you think I am scum Idher?

[Magister Ludi]

What shenanigans? Do you read Zepher as town?

[Magister Ludi]

(shrug) Everyone skips your

nonsense

posts anyways.

[Magister Ludi]

I don't think i'll be following onto this wagon right now. My top scum read moves onto saporo, who was a lesser scum read and who hasn't really posted much since I replaced in, and the wagon swells to five (seemingly out of nowhere?). Hold on here.

[Magister Ludi]

Something got lost in the translation dear.

[Magister Ludi]

nonono, from your end to mine.

[Magister Ludi]

So you think it would be a town move to hammer the player who has posted once since I replaced in and last posted on monday with one vote on her, despite the fact I have espressed much greater suspicion on MrZepher and the saporo wagon exploded to L-1 in a day or so?

These aggressive mind games you play are too much for me.

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, we probably need a prod of saporo, shes posted in a grip of other threads since here.

[Magister Ludi]

No, it wasn't. There was nothing about it that was more likely to come from scum than town. In fact, the reasons were pretty clear, I think you just disagree with them (why?)

I believe zepher is scum, for the reasons I present. You can't have it both way, if I hadn't given you clear reasons, you probably would think I was scum for voting based on 'gut'.

Seriously, go reread him, and tell me where you get any sort of town feeling or good posting.

[Magister Ludi]

No.

I'm way less convinced now about saporo's scumminess than when I intially replaced in. I like mr.zepher even more.

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Idher, can you give me your reads on chair and mastin2, please? Explanation would be liked but is not needed.

[Magister Ludi]

And you think zepher is town too.

hmm, Do you think kunkstar is town as well?

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[Magister Ludi]

Well, Its useful to try and bounce reads off of somebody in order to
a. determine their alignment
b. figure out things from another point of view so I don't get stuck tunneling.

And though you think you may have been clear, I was asking to determine what you thought right now about those players.

Also,

a. Where is Amrun?
b. How many scum do you expect on a day one lynch in general in a large normal game?

[Magister Ludi]

Oh ok, Amrun doesn't at all need to post here (can't believe I forgot that)

Idher, the only reason I bring that up is because you've called the entire day one wagon on untrod town except for one person (Knight of Cydonia), and I know for a fact that that person is town as well. Its not a theory debate at all.

I'll be more eloquent in the morning, but suffice to say I'm not wholy behind your own towniness anymore, and thus not behind you and mrzepher and your wagon.

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"There is no way anyone besides Sapo or Chair is going to get lynched."

Kunkstar, why do you think this?

[Magister Ludi]

ludi has indicated that he'd support our wagon over saporo's, and saporo's replacement... well, self-explanatory

huh, where did I say this? I said I didn't like saporos wagon growing so fast (and other things), but thats about it.

[Magister Ludi]

Rereading chair...

[Magister Ludi]

I asked that already. Its a bookie shot.

[Magister Ludi]

Quickhits, one of chair or mastin2/ythan is probably scum. back to reading...

[Magister Ludi]

LLD, read zepher and swag, tell me what you think.

[Magister Ludi]

Jesus, what is it with people tell me what I'm thinking. I haven't been willing to vote saporo for several posts/days now, and I'm not particularly happy one way or the either with chair either.

FOS Mastin

I don't like you saying Saporo was scum and voteable, than slowly backing off that read based on two connections with people (50% of which is confirmed town to me, null on the other) saying both are scum as well, forming a sort of weird bermuda triangle of scum interactions which make no sense, then saying Lamda is town.

Also, I don't like the rest of your play.

[Magister Ludi]

The post was 100% town. Town motive, lynch mastin scum.

[Magister Ludi]

No. I'm voting MrZepher, who I think is scum. I fosed mastin, because, well, I have a FOS on him/her/cyborg gender mouse thing. There are more than one scum left in this game.

Also, because you missed it, what is you read on mr.zepher?

[Magister Ludi]

Didn't you back away from that saporo scumread, Yes or no?

[Magister Ludi]

You are a Mafia #-shot Bookie!

Your teammates are (PLAYERNAMES). Each night, you may select a player. If that player is lynched the next day, you may perform an extra kill in addition to your factional the following night. During the day, you have your voice and your vote only. You win when mafia is equal in number to town, or nothing can prevent the same.

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Can the bookie double bookie someone on one particular day? Was this asked?

[Magister Ludi]

Chair, I say one of mastin and Chair (you) are probably scum based on this votecount, which I'm usually a fan of to help supplement my read of scum on one player. This was the untrod lynch:

Chair, mastin2,

T-Bone, Ethos, Hiraki,

Knight of Cydonia

, MrZepher,

Yosarian2,

kunkstar7

I put Yosarian in darker green because I have a town read on him, and myself in darker green because I know I am town but I haven't flipped yet.

Regardless, as it stands NO scum have flipped from this wagon, and two unconfirmed scummy people are sitting at places 1 and 2 on the wagon, and MrZepher is sitting at late spot number 7. Thats why I said one of chair or mastin is probably scum.

[Magister Ludi]

(NO voodoo, just inquiring if it is possible to shoot up same person twice).

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[Magister Ludi]

You did.

Yeah, I realize i'm tunneling a little bit (perhaps more than a little), but thats basically because I think you're scum, and I'm hoping to lynch you. I do worry about tunneling away my time on a towney, but I don't think that is the case here.

I do have reasons (which you disagree with, meh) why I think you are scum.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, I would prefer not a deadline lynch, if people made up their mind about zepher I would be happy, we have cookies on this wagon trail!

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Ludi's attempt to prove me scum, has actually only managed to convince me that he's scum, because both he and Chair were on UT's mislynch.
Also, I won't stop pushing Chair/Ludi. Settling for a tertiary suspect-->bad.

Yargghhh bad logic ahead, settling for a lynch of someone you read as scum is good, yarrrr, mastin says lynching someone he think is scum is bad,..... yargh?

Mastin thought both L-1 wagons were on scum, yarrrr, when has this ever happened,.... yarrrrrr. Pirate logic ahead.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin only operates in pirate logic, can't see out with two eyepatches on, yarrrr.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok, we're in the day before lynch or lose in all likelyhood (given four scum). I'm in favor of a massclaim here.

Also,

Fos:
a. MrZepher
b. Mastin2
c. Idher

[Magister Ludi]

Its been building. Don't be upset mastin. Your death is coming. It is assured.

And for the massclaim, I'll wait until everyone gets in here and confirms we're doing it, and then I can start off, popcorn style.

[Magister Ludi]

That is so anti-town its not funny. There is no need to rush, hahaha. The reasons I want a MC today the day before lynch or lose is the reason every town player wants one, to lock scum into their claims.

And yes, the person suggesting it is in fact waiting for feedback.

If a cop shows up with a guilty on scum, we put off the massclaim until tomorrow. There are several reasons to wait until everyone confirms about massclaim, all of them very town.

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But vote me if you just can't help yourself. Lose control mastin, its already slipping apart. Pound for pound, extracting you flesh is going to be the sweetest treat of all.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin, vote me if you dare you pirate-logic knave. I have no time to read your useless posts with insane logic (that is very anti-town to boot), much as you tried to stonewall away beautiful innocent town chair's case on you with the fact that he was 'confirmed scum'. Yeah, everyone else, how did that work out for mastin?

(I'm not seeing idher as obvobvtown at all)

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Ahhh, its good to have some town in this thread. Hello kanye! I like your thinking, I agree with most of what you said in that post. The untrod and yosarian wagons are very interesting.

[Magister Ludi]

Also, ethos was town, so mastin was on another town wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin, let me put it simply.

LUDI HAS NO TOWN MOTIVE TO NOT CLAIM IMMEDIATELY. LUDI HAS PLENTY TO GAIN FROM WAITING AS SCUM, BUT NOTHING TO GAIN AS TOWN!

This is wrong. I propose a massclaim, and it is more than resonable to wait until everyone has at least checked into thread before we (or myself, it hardly matters) start a massclaim, because there are several possible situations in most games (in this one, there is the obvious cop with a guilty), that make massclaiming today a dumb idea. Having half the town claim, claim a few power-roles, and then someone show up and say "guilty, why didn't you guys wait for me?", is just fail-town practices.

For one thing, it makes it a lot more likely that that the mafia will get a successful bookie shot off, because they know their lynch pool is reduced by one or two (the power-roles), and a successful bookie shot at this stage in the game

loses the game for town

, which cannot be stated enough.

Ludi is calling my posts useless, insane, and anti-town. This is a scumslip, because Ludi is NOT calling them scummy. Ludi's instead basically pushing a policy lynch of me.

I'm not sure how this is a 'scumslip' at all, and completly grasping at straws. Just because I didn't use your word-de-juer, doesn't mean at all I haven't displayed clear intent that you are scum. Anti-town means scummy for 99.99% of the players on this website. You are scum.

Lynch Either me, or Ludi today, and if they flip town, the other one tomorrow,

Why hello there gambit that loses the game. I see no pro-town reason for suggesting such a plan, because it is bad on so many levels. The only way this doesn't work is if you are scum.

Unvote, Vote: mastin2.

I guess you are admitting it? Go back to voting yourself if you are serious with your gambit.

Also:

We're Massclaiming, but the lynch today is either Ludi or myself. And if the one lynched flips town, lynch the other. Accept no others. No compromises, no alternatives, no backing out at the last moment for some trivial reason.

I'm going to stop basically answering Mastin's posts because
a. they are literally so insane every post is trying to doom the town.
b. I am going insane reading them
c. I am starting to hate mastin completely.

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Idher is scum because, from her last post:

-Magister Ludi. I honestly have a hard time conceiving a possibility of Ludi-town. KoC was flailscum as fuck and Ludi has not improved the slot at all

Whats with all the conditionals and weasel words. What do you have to be honest about suddebly, and why do you have a hard time conceiving that I am town. What specifically? How was KoC 'flaillscum as fuck', which is some inane buzz words, and where is MAstin in your post?

You do realize the biggest scum gambit I have ever seen was just thrown down and you complelty omit ANY MENTION of him in your next post?

-LLD. I was totally convinced that saporovirus was scum. LLD's initial replacement made me doubt a little, but her actions today - that 100% TERRIBLE Oversoul vote -- threw that out the window.

um, no. LLD is almost certainly town at this point. The fact her wagon disintergrated so quickly at end of day probably means that she is town, as she was at L-1 for the longest time and has had only one vote today, no one was genuinely convinced enough that she was scum. They were voting her for a mislynch.

Because of my interactions with Ythan and his arguments between Ethos and Yosarian. That is why I feel Ludi is more scummy than Mastin.

What is this post even saying?

What are you reads on the following player, by the way
a. Idher
b. kunkstar

As much as I'd like to vote ML, the threat of a bookie shot combined with Mastin's famous gambits are making me reconsider.

Then do it. Do it now. This is so wishy-washy its not even funny. I don't mind the entire scum team trying to get my lynch and failing. What is making you reconsider?

So you think mastin is gambiting on town (me) as scum (him), but you'd STILL LIKE TO VOTE TOWN (me) anyways?

[Magister Ludi]

Continuing.

In any case, Mastin's move on Ludi is blown wayyy out of proportion. Why the hell would you just claim straight away without getting any input on the MC from the town? Ludi's comments there seem in line. LLD needs to go now. Vote: LLD. The fact that she got to L-1 yesterday and the wagon died in favor of the Chair wagon only fits further with the previous Empking interactions which made her slot obvscum to begin with.

This is why kunkstar is probably town. As scum, he could easily jump on whatever wagon he felt like, and ride it hard. As town, he is disinterested with the crazyness and goes after who he views as scum.

basically heres how i feel: ludi immediately went into dodge status as soon as mastin dropped that bomb. hes posted several times in other threads without a peep in here.

I had three posts since mastin, and I'm not going to drop useless one liners when the game is on the line and I am trying hard to figure out who is scum or not. And those three posts were very short, anyways.

im still going to wait and see what he eventually comes to us with, but im going to be a lot less receptive than if he had responded promptly, even if it was a bare acknowledgment of the gambit mastin proposed.

Yo, I have a life here. Sorry I'm not grinding out my exsistence at a computer screen. Mastin's gambit loses the game for town, guaranteed, if it lynches me.

I'm FAR more receptive to idher being town with chair flipping town.

Why exactly? Is there something on the earlier pages that makes this interaction more certain?

something of interest to note: if you are town and ludi is town, there is literally zero reason for scum to have not jumped on this gambit. they could probably push ludi to an easy lynch today and quicklynch you tomorrow. im quickly starting to buy the idea that the two of you are opposite alignments.

Which is why mastin has one vote and I have three. There was a attempt. I'm pretty hard to mislynch as town barring rediculous circumstances (dynasty warriors, defcon mainting special mechanics). Also, don't build up to a point with several posts and strange logic words, clearly state where you are.

You posted those wagon anylasis three pages ago showing mastin on every town wagon. Did that influence you? Do you still think mastin might be scum?

Anyways,

Vote: Mastin2

Self vote again mastin.

Claim: Vanilla Town
Popcorn: MrZepher

[Magister Ludi]

Say 'you're scum' Amrun isn't at all a case, and isn't at all how you play as town in the games I have played with you, where you actually try and establish a basis for your reasoning that others can follow (re: The Speed Game, and call of cutthulu)

[Magister Ludi]

You're flailing SO hard right now.

No, i'm not. I think you are voting me for completely made up reasons. You are not clear at all. I would like you to bullet point, or number, in a single post, the reasons you think I am scum and the actions you think I have taken that are more likely to come from scum than town. I haven't seen anything from you, and I want it.

[Magister Ludi]

I gave you my reasons in post 1119 (isolation 14). Now, you disagree with them (obviously, you're not going to claim scum as scum or town), and have since decided I have been strawmanning you all over the place (where), but I did lay out why I thought you were scum, as did Yosarian2, who is now dead. .

[Magister Ludi]

Yosarian2

(8): Lady Lambdadelta,

mastin2

,

Untrod Tripod

,

Chair

, SpyreX,

Empking

,

Hiraki

, MrZepher

Untrod Tripod

(9):

Chair

,

mastin2

,

T-Bone

,

Ethos

,

Hiraki

, Magister Ludi, MrZepher,

Yosarian2

, kunkstar7

Empking

(8): SpyreX, Magister Ludi,

T-Bone

, kanyeknowsbest,

Yosarian2

, Oversoul, Lady Lambdadelta,

Empking

No mastin

Chair

(6): SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest,

mastin2

,

Yosarian2

, kunkstar7, LLD

Lady Lambdadelta (5): kunkstar7, Îdher, MrZepher,

Chair

, Oversoul

Other wagons of note

Ethos

(5): kanyeknowsbest,

Untrod Tripod

,

Hiraki

, SpyreX,

Mastin2

Empking (5): Îdher,

Ethos

, kunkstar7, Lady Lambdadelta,

Yosarian2

No mastin

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Mastin has been on basically every important town wagon at arguably the scummiest spots. How does this extra evidence scream town?

[Magister Ludi]

Was he super-townie or something? I didn't really read much of day one.

[Magister Ludi]

Scum is in Hiraki, Ethos, Parabollocks. Will vote for any of these lynches.

All these people flipped town as well. A lot of town voting by this slot in general. Not seeing it spyrex.

[Magister Ludi]

This is the ultimate scum-slip. Why? Because my plan of "Lynch Ludi/Mastin, lynch the other if the first flips town" only loses the game if we're BOTH town. So, in other words, the gambit will not lose us the game if one of us is scum.

BZZZZZT WRONG. If you lynch me today, the bookie will hit you tomorrow, because I am town, and EVEN IF YOU ARE SCUM, the town loses, because the mafia will get two nightkill shots from lylo. I can't believe you didn't realize this. I think you did realize this, and simply don't care, because you are scum.

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Anyways, I'll make it simple. Why are you not self voting again if you are so sure I am scum and want to prove it 100%?

Also, can you point me to any flipped player whose alignment you have correctly called, and any town wagon you were not on?

[Magister Ludi]

You aren't helping your case by not reading arguably the most important day of the game.

Link or quote the important stuff you think town needs to know.

[Magister Ludi]

Well, i'm not going to convince you that you are scum and that your plan is totally wrong and illogical, and you are basically contradicting yourself at every town and discounting high percentage possibilities of scum winning. If you get another vote, I expect you to self vote again.

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Does anyone else need convincing that mastin is scum? I think its pretty obvious, I'm not seeing the ythan town read, and I definently don't read mastin as town, before I started and especially after this conversation. I'd be happy lynching either, or Idher, or Zepher.

I've noticed people have gone awfully quiet in here.

[Magister Ludi]

EBWOP: contradicting yourself at every turn*

[Magister Ludi]

No, it isn't at all. I never said either of those.

Also,

No, i'm not. I think you are voting me for completely made up reasons. You are not clear at all. I would like you to bullet point, or number, in a single post, the reasons you think I am scum and the actions you think I have taken that are more likely to come from scum than town. I haven't seen anything from you, and I want it.

[Magister Ludi]

Idher is town..... gurg... argh... splarg....

[Magister Ludi]

with his Ythan buddying

Oversoul, buddying is usually scum on town, but town don't know who the other town is. Why did you use the word buddying?

ludi not lookin too hot here. ive got more to say about that but ill save it til tomorrow.

Can you explain why i'm 'not looking too hot', when the person I'm voting is on every town wagon, and MrZepher is on there too?

[Magister Ludi]

Also,

anyone who was paying attention knew you were the vig yesterday. the fact that you were alive still today has definitely affected my reads (anyone who wasnt convinced you were conftown is scum++++)

huh

@ KKB

1. Why did you know she wad the vig yesterday?
2. how has it affected your reads
3. Why is someone not calling her obvtown scum++++++?

[Magister Ludi]

UN-FOS Idher

[Magister Ludi]

Kanye, are you going to be around for the next ten minutes? I want to figure out your alignment once and for all.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok

1. So you think that the two or three remaining members of the scum all didn't realize who the vig was (in this case Idher?)
2. What do you think of mastin being on all town wagons, and MrZepher as well?
3. Why do you think the scum killed Yosarian2 over other people?
4. How many shots do you think the bookies has?

[Magister Ludi]

Also,

Do you think empking was going to be lynched no matter what on day number two, or do you think that scum had to help it along? If scum had to help it along, why do you think that had to do so?

Is your current read on LAdyL town?

[Magister Ludi]

Also, feel free to ask me any questions.

And though it goes without saying, if someone hammers me rapidly me today, they are a STRONG candidate for vigging, because it is still possible for town to lynch scum and lose tomorrow if the scum bookie themselves, which they will probably do if the quicklynch to end this day.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, I believe kunkstars stump claim, and furthermore, he should probably never use it. I think SpyreX is town because he is trying to diffuse me and mastin as town on town, when there is no reason to do that as scum (note, no other player in the game did this), because if we were both town the game is essentially won for scum. It seemed a very towney thing to do.

1. KKB, do you think Yosarian was killed for his reads more than because of how townie he looked, because I think I am and was the only one who expressed suspicion of Idher at all since day one (?)
2. If I flip town, do you agree that it is very likely that there is a MrZepher and Mastin2 scum team in play?
3. What are the events of today that flipped your mind?

[Magister Ludi]

KKB, tell me if this makes sense to you (Or tell me why I am scum completely spinning nonsence)

Actually, with Idher as vig and no shot coming last night, I'm going to assume that the mafia have a rolecop in their possesion. A hidden three man mason group is very powerful, and combining that with a vig would about balance out a rolecop and a booker. There is clearly no cop, so there probably is no tailor.

Continuing, the mafia probably rolecop Idher as vig some point during the game, which is how they knew she was a vig (obviously), but also why they didn't kill her last night, I am going to speculate she is in fact a one shot vigilante. So with two people of known quantities being called town, they killed the person with the more accurate reads.

At the end of day yesterday, Idher was set on me, LLD/saporo being scum, and Yosarian was on Mr. Zepher and I think that may be it.
Thus, the killed Yosarian, but also why no one else picked up on suspecting Idher with me, they knew for sure that when she claimed Vig everyone suspecting her would be seen as scum.

hmmmm...

[Magister Ludi]

Reads currently.

Idher (town)
Kunk (town)
SpyreX (town, based on diffusing mastin me as town v. town)
LLD (town. The wagon on her wasn't very good. I could go into it more because I don't want her wagoned up)
KKB (I have a definite read here, and it is town. He and oversoul were a tossup for the last scum spot.)
Mastin2 (scum.)
Mr.Zepher (scum)
Oversoul (scum. Well, I originally had him as town, but assuming four scum, this guy is the only one left.)

If we're going for scum roles, I'll hit Mr.Zepher as the rolecop and oversoul as the bookie, not that it matters.

[Magister Ludi]

Finally,

Unvote
Vote: MrZepher

I'll comment on the last few pages in a bit, didn't see anything directly addressed to me.

Spoiler: For Mastin Only

I skimmed mastins wall, as I no longer read his posts because it makes me so angry, saw this,

05. Magister Ludi Knight of Cydonia (replaced out D3)
^Confirmed Scum.

Can you please shut the fuck up with your whole confirmed scum bullshit over and over and over again when I am 100% town.

You are scum, so of course infuriating me and other players probably plays towards your win condition.

I have tried to read you as town, and it is impossible. Even as town, you never consider yourself wrong, or that you have a bad read. You are perhaps the most anti-town player I have encountered in any of my games, and continually posting bullshit all over the thread makes me wonder why I replaced in here. I remember, it was to play with players I like, like Yosarian2 and SpyreX and actually use fucking logic, not your mastin crap. If I was scum I would nightkill you to get you out of my game as soon as possible. Also, for your town ego, You basically have shit reads in everygame I have ever seen with you, and I don't even think you care at this point. Hell, you fucking deleted your main account because your read WAS SO FUCKING BAD someone bet you out of your account. If I wasn't so against bets, I would place a bet down on you that if we are both town, you would quit the site FOREVER, and delete all your accounts.

[Magister Ludi]

Did someone speak?

[Magister Ludi]

I feel fairly strongly that mastin is scum, though I actually feel stronger that MrZepher is scum.

Its been kind of hard to calibrate my read regarding that spot {Mastin} because she has been pretty incendiary and illogical towards me, so i've had trouble figuring out his alignment in my usual sense.

[Magister Ludi]

I promised a LLD towncase as well, I'm still beavering away on that. I think MrZepher is a much preferable lynch, however, from anybody who has null/scum reads on both (SpyreX! )

[quote="Oversoul]You're letting your emotions cloud your judgement...

I think he is following a certain wiki guide that ABR posted, but I don't know.

And why would he do that, though? He's been around awhile anyway. :s[/quote]

Huh what who he ha? I think I asked you a question about your vote on me a while back, I would like it answered. I'm also not sure what you're saying here, but If you're saying i'm getting pissed at certain elements in this game, then yes, you're right.

[Magister Ludi]

hmm, aparantly, I can't quote properly.

[Magister Ludi]

One of

ML

/Mastin
Oversoul
Zepher

Nice reads! I agree here.

I DID think Mastin at the beginning of today, but Ludi REALLY HAS been flailing. :S

Not really, i've been trying to simulatenously defend myself against a wagon I think is mostly scum driven (mastin and oversoul), and defend yopu aginst your wagon. I think you should join me Mr. Zepher wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

consider the shit i wrote about koc above and that your interactions with mastin are just so scummy.

They're not at all. Nothing about them is more likely to come from scum than town, infact, all of them come from a town point of view.

but considering spyscum and the way he was convinced koc was town for little reason

You can't make alignment connections when neither of us has flipped and neither of us is probable scum.

and the fact that you say you think mastin is scum but you talk to him like hes town just makes it clear that you are scum scum scum.

This is just silly. I'm sitting here as town trying to figure out everybodies alignment. I don't know for a fact that anyone is confirmed any alignment until they flip, and to harp on about how someone is 'confirmed scum' is anti-town because you could be wrong and with disasterous results.

Still, I agree with what you said. I think that mastin is scum, but I still treat him like he is town, despite how much I think he is scum. Whats the problem here?

zepher - if ludi and zepher are scum then he has been bussing him since he replaced in. i doubt that. also his reaction to empking wagon. pretty shitty hes town but whatevs.

You need to explain this more, since I think this is a terrible explanation for why he is town. Consider I am town and then work a possibilty.

~~~~

You're using AtE a lot with your dealings with Mastin and it is pretty distracting. Also, you're wasting your time trying to scumhunt me, which is another reason why I suspect you, but more so LLD for that same offence.

No, it was basically one rant I put in spoiler because I specfically wanted to state my feelings without rampaging this game.

Why am I wasting my time trying to scumhunt you? I don't think you are confirmed town, so there is every possibility, and I think a high one at that, that you may be scum. Its never a waste.

~~~~

Actually... Oversoul was just on the Zepher wagon right?

...

Unvote; Vote: Ludi

Um, no, he was voting me for the entire day. What has oversoul unvoting got to do with anything?

Reasoning why you chose Ludi over Mastin?

I guess the same could be asked of you.

actually, fuck it. im really not entirely convinced about a lambda lynch myself and i think its very unlikely mastin is scum gambitting with a bookie shot.

unvote vote ludi

It doesn't even have to be that, though it could, it is the fact mastin has thrown down a one on one and tried to force it down the town's throat over an alleged piece of thoery that he himself was wrong on, and Everyone has taken up the crusade and followed it. I'm still not entirely sure why.

Nope, Ludi's at L-2. Ludi was at L-2 with you on. When you unvoted, Ludi went to L-3. Kayne going onto Ludi was L-2 again, and you're still off.

I feel that town mastin wouldn't make this error in judgment, me actually being at L-1 than L-2. Still, KKB, you can put your bookie thoery away, because if I was bookied and oversoul is scum, he could just hammer for the victory. Unless all the scum are already on me, but only mastin is, so no worries there.

You'd rather lynch outside the 1v1?

Um, yes? Why are you following mastins plan now when you voted oversoul all day?

If Ludi and Mastin are a potential scumteam whats the angle?

No way am I scum here, don't you start this too Spy!

~~~~

basically my problem is this: i think ludi scum is extremely likely. i think mastin town is extremely unlikely. the only way, then that you can remain town in my eyes is with lambda/zepher team as the remaining pair. it is this reasoning that has led me to desire lambda lynch ludi vig. i think these are two key flips that would make the game a lot easier to figure out tomorrow.

I'm saying this now, Kanye, I think you're town, and I think we're fucked. No way is LLD scum here, especially not with me. I do not know how specfically you can push that angle.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin has so many inconsistences, I still don't know how anyone has a town read on him.

1.,

mastin is doing exactly the same thing with chairs mislynch as with mine, (all quotes mastin) Same language, same intent.

Yup. Chair is flailing scum at last minute. Like I said.

Your {Chair} continued pushing of a garbage-post for me to answer is confirmation you're scum.

Or are confirmed scum. Claim or die, Ludi.

05. Magister Ludi Knight of Cydonia (replaced out D3)
^Confirmed Scum.

2. Painting me as scummy for something he himself said he was going to do

Lynch Either me, or Ludi today, and if they flip town, the other one tomorrow, no excuses, no alternatives, one of us GUARANTEED

But in lylo, voting for myself would obviously be against me wincon, so if Ludi flips town, I'll be voting SpyreX tomorrow.

4: You're hoping that with me dead today, you'll be able to talk your way out of being lynched tomorrow.

3. Being on

every

town wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

At LLD, my question was, why bring up mastins idea of a 1v1 showdown when you switch your vote when your vote had been on oversoul all day and you had tolerated other wagons, when you could have switched your vote instead with the justification of 'I think he is the scummiest of all candidates'?

[Magister Ludi]

Why would I answer the question about why I prefer mastin over Ludi {me}? Well, I know my alignment is town, so I would prefer obviously mastins lynch over mine, especially since I think she is mafia. I think you may have meant another question.

I don't think LLD is scum because of the wagon yesterday, her actions, and some other things she is done.

Because Oversoul's actions after Kanye's LLD vote confirmed you as scum to me.

Erm, what?

[Magister Ludi]

That pretty much makes no sense. oversoul would not hop on me when mastin had mrzephers vote on him and had self voted, with oversouls vote as well Mastin would have been at L-2, and I would have placed Mastin at L-1 with no way to unselfvote without being incredibly scummy for it.

[Magister Ludi]

The fact that he UNVOTED you when a NEW WAGON came up means what?

I don't think that means anything at all. Follow me here

~~~~~

Oversoul (1): LLD
Magister Ludi (3): Îdher, Oversoul, mastin2
LLD (1): kunkstar7
MrZepher (3): kanyeknowsbest Magister Ludi SpyreX

Not voting: MrZepher

This was the votecount when you said this:

Mastin's gambit + Oversoul being bad + Zepher being bad, + your play today has made me reevaluate.

I'm now leaning something like:

One of ML/Mastin
Oversoul
Zepher

At this point, you have two of the people you consider scum voting for me, and I'm voting for Zepher, who you also consider scum. If oversoul wanted to jump off because 'we're buddies', he could easily have done so now onto the MrZepher wagon. Note, he didn't even jump off onto anyone else when he did unvote

Then,

~in conclusion~
i think that the best and safest possible play for us today in terms of gathering information is a lambda lynch with a ludi vig. there is zero doubt in my mind that at least one of them is scum.

vote lambadelta

UNVOTE:

Oversoul (1): LLD
Magister Ludi (2): Îdher,

Oversoul

, mastin2
LLD (2): kunkstar7 Kanyeknowsbest
MrZepher (2):

kanyeknowsbest

Magister Ludi SpyreX

Not voting: MrZepher Oversoul

I didn't even realize you insinuated this, but Oversoul didn't jump onto any wagon

AND LOOK AT THAT.

The second Kanye votes me, Oversoul pops up to jump on the NEW wagon of the day.

He simply unvoted.

Followed by you voting me for what reason (me and Oversoul being scum together right, which makes no sense) Also, he didn't unvote when a new wagon came up, he unvoted after the mrzepher wagon had balloned to 3, and you had only two votes.

Unvote; Vote: Ludi

Not seeing why you decided to focus now on me when we all had two votes. In fact, the oversoul wagon was only one vote behind any leading wagon at this time.

That's BULLSHIT.

THIS IS SCUM. SCUM.

Stop it. Oversoul actually looks pretty resonable here.

So thats where I am on that. Can you explain your thought process behind what you were thinking?

[Magister Ludi]

LLD, in case you skim walls, that last post was pretty important, I need you to answer it.

[Magister Ludi]

Ludi, think about it. Why would he jump from One wagon where he was bussing, to another wagon where he is bussing? (Ludi to Zepher) It's not worth it.

What he WILL do is try and get the mislynch when a town wagon flares up.

If you think that MrZepher is scum as well, why did you not join his wagon when it grew to three people and you could have been the fourth?

I'm still not sure what you mean by the second line. He didn't vote you at all, so I'm not sure how he is pushing a mislynch on anybody, especially you.

ML, Overtoast has been on your wagon ALL DAY.

And now his reason for jumping off it has changed for a SECOND time, to "I thought ML was town" which is UTTER CRAP.

Yeah, but the fact that he unvoted, is now considering options and didn't hammer has made my read on him change the way only actions can. I'm not going to keep finding people scummy when their actions speak of pro-town intent.

You presented a perfect reason as to why you should vote her.

No, I still think MrZepher is the most likely scum, and there is more support here.

Another point against him is that his activity has also decreased during this time frame as well, as though he is waiting for somebody elses lynch to take place without commenting much.

[Magister Ludi]

If Kunk is town, Mastin is scum for this post.

heh, reread and found this from Lady. No vote here or anything from LLD, when claimed treestump.

My read on Lady did a 180 when she voted me for such bad reasons and tried to push oversoul and me.

~~~~~

All my town reads on one wagon.

I stake my life upon a cast, and I will stand the hazards of the die.

Unvote
Vote: Lady Lambda

[Magister Ludi]

I think LLD is flipping scum, not sure about you Mastin.

Don't forget to mention you pushed weakly for LLD as scum all game, don't try and paint her as a towney and then act surprised when she scum flips.

MrZepher missing from your reads as scum, check that read.

Out for the night.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Zepher

Not that my vote will count, but I was town, and probably bookied by the scum, so scum are going to get two nightkills tonight and win the game. SpyreX never had a chance to hammer me, as someone unvoted to put me a L-3 instead.

[Magister Ludi]

Fuck I can't believe town fell for quicklynching after forcing the stump to stump.

[Magister Ludi]

I hope scum MrZepher or whoever didn't realize that this would happen and bookied someone else, and this goes to three man lylo. Why in the name of all that is good did kunkstar stump himself when he could stump himself tomorrow and still give town the bookie cushion incase town lynched a bookied town.

[Magister Ludi]

If the game isn't over, take your time in lylo, by that post by zepher seems to speak of scum attempting to gain town cred by bemoaning a town mislynch when it was patantly obvious what a scum bookie could do.

[Magister Ludi]

Kunk, delete your role pm to reckoner immediatly

[Magister Ludi]

If game is over why did you just type up a huge post?

[Magister Ludi]

If town lynched you over me and you were scum, game would be over. If you lynched me and you were scum who bookied me, game is over, you win.

Now would have been the perfect time to use a bookie shot (actually, I'm hoping scum didn't expect kunkstar to stump so badly out of nowhere or spyrex to die)

[Magister Ludi]

Its weird to be dead and liberated.

Mastin, if you're town, how does it feel to be on every town wagon and no scum ones at all throughout the entire game?

[Magister Ludi]

LYLO prediction if game continues, mastin2, zepher, KKB (kunk too)

Godluck to the townies up in there.

[Magister Ludi]

No one gloating right now is probably a really good sign. Why do you assume that bookie didn't have three or more shots? It turns out to be their only powerole.

I'd actually prefer you talked things over.

[Magister Ludi]

Why the hell would LLD traitor scum try to restart my wagon after it was down to two people and oversoul had jumped off?

if mastin is bookie he blew his second shot on you yesterday and we can lynch accordingly tomorrow.

and i think its very unlikely mastin is scum gambitting with a bookie shot.

Whatup kanye?

[Magister Ludi]

You got delusions or grandeur? You didn't hammer LLD given the chance two yesterdays ago, instead sitting on chair wagon, and when quick town wagon on LLD showed up you were M.I.A., and called it a wagon on town.

[Magister Ludi]

I'll make it clear Mastin

FOS MASTIN2
FOS MR ZEPHER

Kanye, you stated you both think mastin is potentially a bookie with a shot to blow, and is not possibly a bookie with a shot to blow.

[Magister Ludi]

You realize when I flip town mastin you agreed to quicklynch yourself right? Who do you plan on trying to lynch instead?

[Magister Ludi]

Humor me. How do you plan on getting out of being quicklynched tomorrow?

[Magister Ludi]

For reference

Lynch Either me, or Ludi today, and if they flip town, the other one tomorrow, no excuses, no alternatives, one of us GUARANTEED

[Magister Ludi]

So who is it? Shouldn't take that long for a name.

[Magister Ludi]

Cool i'm scum.

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

[Magister Ludi]

No fucking clue, both have played terrible games here, should have lynched them like this:

zepher today
mastin tomorrow

[Magister Ludi]

Was being sarcastic you idiot, do you graduate the fourth grade?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

Why isn't it 100% chance? You won't be voting yourself mastin?

Whats the name? Who is it mastin?

[Magister Ludi]

If you're wrong you delete yourself forever from this site-sure?

[Magister Ludi]

Post your phone-number-sure, email-sure, change avatar-sure, change-signature sure, lynch yourself sure, or just some artifical number crap you made up to justify some silly desicion you made in your own certainty of youself that has no basis in reality?

[Magister Ludi]

So you're not that sure are you, more of a low single digit number? if you were so sure, you'd be willing to roll the dice a little wouldn't you. I have claimed scum already, haven't I?

[Magister Ludi]

It's a collapsing universe of space mastin, your window of time is quickly being shut, now is the time to forever silence your critics and cast a wide net, unleash your fury on your multitude of doubters, of people who hate you and think you suck, of those who ignore, and slander, now is the time you can stand up and say, 'No, I was right, and I put my money where my mouth was. I was right!'.

Whats it going to be, mastin?

[Magister Ludi]

I sense fear.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin. Time to play. I've 'claimed scum'. Cool. I must be 100% scum now.

Permanent deletion if you're wrong? How sure are you? Aren't you willing to back it up with more than just words? How about no joining games for a month? Or beginning every post with a sentance of my choosing?

Or are you not that sure? Or are you lying?

[Magister Ludi]

so this is the reason your avatar is a mouse.

[Magister Ludi]

MY VENGEANCE

Vote: MrZepher

[Magister Ludi]

Read for yourself. Why do you want me to hold your hand? I've already given you multitudes of reasons why each of these players are scummy and should be lynched one and then two.

I helped speed lynch LLD, who flipped mafia, and I didn't push on chair, who flipped town. I'm not sure what mastin has done to give you a town read, but so be it. If you don't want to decide between then, lynch them both we me.

[Magister Ludi]

Go town

[Magister Ludi]

Oversoul, you wall was a virtuoso performance made text.