Open 333 : Carbon-14 - Game ended

DonJosh · Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:03 am

/confirm

C-2

DonJosh · Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:19 pm

Xalxe wrote:VOTE: Mist7676

Policy lynches are fun. I am also up for a kondi lynch.

Xalxe wrote:Cobbler, what makes you say that?

Still relevant.

No. RVS Policy Lynches can go wrong. Especially with such a small setup.

Cobblerfone wrote:@DonJosh: I remember playing some marathon games with you, but I couldn't find any normal ones to research. How would you describe your play?

I'm pretty terrible at mafia in all honesty, but I'm trying out a new playstyle this game.

DonJosh · Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:20 pm

Also, Cobbler researching player meta = Town Points

DonJosh · Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:31 pm

Mist7676 wrote:
1. What is your timezone?
2. Why do you play mafia?
3. What's your favorite role?
4. When do you get to post?

1. EST (GMT -5)
2. I always like being part of a forum community, and one with a game built in is always a plus, especially if its a game based on my favourite party game.
3. Serial Killer. Especially in a Closed Setup.
4. Whenever I'm on my laptop, I have MS open. School starts September 6th so I'll be unavailable weekdays til 4:00.

DonJosh · Post Post #46 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:32 pm

Whiskers wrote:
Unvote.

Vote: Xalxe

You got some 'splainin to do.

DonJosh · Post Post #98 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:38 am

Someone asked for reads. Here.

From most to least town-like...

Xalxe
saulres
Cobblerfone
kondi2424
Whiskers

Xalxe - Overall friendliness, seems to be taking charge of scumhunting. Is pro-discussion
saulres - Pretty much same as above, but less scumhunting.
Cobblerfone - Pre-game research was good, but I always see scum doing RQS, so that docks some points. This puts him in null-zone.
kondi2424 - Overly-defensive. Null-scum, but mostly Null. Moar posting pl0x
Whiskers - Vote-hopping and clinging to unnecessary RVS arguments.

Mist isn't here cuz she's so null it's not even funny.

DonJosh · Post Post #164 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:28 pm

Oh god. Re-reading.

DonJosh · Post Post #165 (isolation #7) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:37 pm

In post 157, Mist7676 wrote:Don't lynch me because...
...
....

Okay I honestly can't think of a good reason so

PLEASE DON'T LYNCH ME!!!!

I guess that's not going to help...

There are much better people to lynch like DonJosh who still hasn't posted more than once...

I
still
could be an asset to the town in some odd way but if DonJosh never posts it's impossible for him to help.

Vote:DonJosh

Wtf is with this post.
VOTE: Mists7676

DonJosh · Post Post #166 (isolation #8) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:39 pm

And to answer all those questions, I'm not "avoiding town meta". That makes no sense. I'm just trying a new playstyle, which I am currently failing at.

DonJosh · Post Post #170 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:42 pm

In post 167, Mist7676 wrote:What does this new playstyle change? How was your old one?

I was major lurky and fluffy, which is why I'm failing.

DonJosh · Post Post #172 (isolation #10) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:45 pm

In post 171, Mist7676 wrote:That's not changing a play style it's being more active.

More about the fluffy uselessness. I was gonna try more ISO scumhunting or a wall post.

DonJosh · Post Post #174 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:56 pm

Working on a Mist ISO...

DonJosh · Post Post #177 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:11 pm

Here.

Spoiler: Mist ISO

Everything else was too useless and fluffy to deserve comments.

DonJosh · Post Post #179 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:18 pm

In post 178, Mist7676 wrote:Good anylasis DonJosh...

Best I could do with your posts.

DonJosh · Post Post #181 (isolation #14) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:22 pm

Did I mention L-1?

DonJosh · Post Post #185 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:33 pm

In post 183, Xalxe wrote:Let's get cobbler and Whiskers back in here first.

DonJosh · Post Post #189 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:22 pm

Even so a no lynch is counterproductive. If we mislynch today (which I doubt will happen if Mist is our lynch), we'll no lynch tomorrow for sure.

DonJosh · Post Post #191 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:27 pm

Oh god Xalxe is right mislynch brings us to LYLO tomorrow.

DonJosh · Post Post #192 (isolation #18) » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:28 pm

Just to clarify, are you saying the

Mafia

will kill, or the

Scum

will kill?

DonJosh · Post Post #209 (isolation #19) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:49 am

UNVOTE: Mist7676
VOTE: No Lynch

I suggest Mist for investigation.

DonJosh · Post Post #211 (isolation #20) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:53 am

Do we need 3 or 4 to no lynch?

DonJosh · Post Post #222 (isolation #21) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:54 am

Xalxe sounds good I guess.

DonJosh · Post Post #223 (isolation #22) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:55 am

Still would prefer Mist, though

DonJosh · Post Post #225 (isolation #23) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am

Cobbler's coming back tomorrow, and he could be our useful investigator, so I'd say we wait for him.

DonJosh · Post Post #226 (isolation #24) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:03 am

Xalxe is online. He just posted in GD, so he should be here soon.

DonJosh · Post Post #228 (isolation #25) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:05 am

Oh ya. Derp.

DonJosh · Post Post #241 (isolation #26) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:58 pm

Oh god, Whiskers, I think I'm gonna have an epileptic seizure.

Anyhoo, if Xalxe doesn't check in with a valid reason, I'd say we lynch him.

DonJosh · Post Post #246 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:48 am

I'm finding Xalxe's sudden disappearance scummy beyond hell.

DonJosh · Post Post #288 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:11 am

Otolia's offline

Nice timing, Xalxe

DonJosh · Post Post #300 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:54 am

I did not get a guilty on Xalxe.

DonJosh · Post Post #303 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:56 am

Oh god. So either kondi or Xalxe is scum.

DonJosh · Post Post #306 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:03 am

I have no clue. I trust kondi more, but I trust Xalxe's investigation result more... Ugh.
VOTE: Xalxe
Thats L-1 people

DonJosh · Post Post #308 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:07 am

In post 307, Cobblerfone wrote:Well there goes the backup plan.

Hmm...

Woah, I just realized if Xalxe's the cop we have both scum then. It's almost too good to be true. I have to think about this.

UNVOTE:

In case Mist IS scum.

UNVOTE:

DonJosh · Post Post #309 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:09 am

Hey gaiz.
What if they're both scum? It might just be me, but this seems like something a scumteam would come up with.

DonJosh · Post Post #312 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:13 am

In post 310, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 309, DonJosh wrote:Hey gaiz.
What if they're both scum? It might just be me, but this seems like something a scumteam would come up with.

But then they're both counterclaimed by the cop and it's a 2/3 chance of hitting scum.

True. Ignore my most recent post.

DonJosh · Post Post #320 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:58 am

VOTE: Xalxe
I just realized it is impossible for Xalxe to be the cop. If he was, we would know who the seer was already.

If you are the seer, claim now. If nobody claims, Mist is the seer and Xalxe is scum.

DonJosh · Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:03 am

L-1, hammer pl0x

DonJosh · Post Post #324 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:06 am

Right. I didn't see his No-Lynch.

DonJosh · Post Post #334 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:12 pm

Saulres was reeking of towniness until he tried to stall the lynch.
Also, I pointed out that Xalxe is confirmed scum and saulres tried to deny it and suggest other possibilities. There are none. Xalxe is confirmed scum. Lets lynch him now.

DonJosh · Post Post #344 (isolation #39) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:02 am

We're in MYLO.

VOTE: No Lynch

DonJosh · Post Post #346 (isolation #40) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:36 am

A No Lynch is the logical thing to do in MYLO. Unless you're scum. I will say this, if I wasn't voting for a no lynch, my vote would be on you, my friend.

HoS: saulres

DonJosh · Post Post #347 (isolation #41) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:39 am

If we pursue a lynch today, we have a 25% chance of catching scum and winning, and a 75% chance of losing the game altogether.
If we No Lynch today, we have a 33% chance of winning and only a 66% chance of losing, plus we can do more analysis based on the NK.
A No Lynch is the only logical thing to do.

DonJosh · Post Post #349 (isolation #42) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:43 am

Who says I'm in a hurry? I placed a vote on a no lynch, that doesn't mean I'm expecting a hammer right away.

DonJosh · Post Post #351 (isolation #43) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:49 am

In post 350, Mist7676 wrote:I got a Scum result on DonJosh.

Vote:DonJosh

Um... what?

DonJosh · Post Post #356 (isolation #44) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:03 am

In post 355, Cobblerfone wrote:
DonJosh wrote:If we pursue a lynch today, we have a 25% chance of catching scum and winning, and a 75% chance of losing the game altogether.
If we No Lynch today, we have a 33% chance of winning and only a 66% chance of losing, plus we can do more analysis based on the NK.
A No Lynch is the only logical thing to do.

Not with the confirmed Seer. It's exactly the same, except Mist is a safety valve of sorts. How convenient of you to not realize that.

I've got to learn to reread during the night. Expect something tomorrow.

Right. Forgot about the seer.
That makes it 33% win today, and a whole 50% tomorrow.

DonJosh · Post Post #357 (isolation #45) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:05 am

Disregard my last post. Mist is dead tonight, so it's still 33% tomorrow.

DonJosh · Post Post #358 (isolation #46) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:11 am

Derp. So we should lynch today. God I feel like an idiot.
UNVOTE:

DonJosh · Post Post #374 (isolation #47) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:38 am

In post 368, Cobblerfone wrote:I'm just noting that Saulres is confirmed town and DonJosh is confirmed scum.

How is saulres confirmed town? He's my top scumspect, actually.

DonJosh · Post Post #376 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:41 am

True.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

Confirm Scum from my POV.

DonJosh · Post Post #378 (isolation #49) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:43 am

-.- I'm not done. I'm ISOing him now.

DonJosh · Post Post #379 (isolation #50) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:44 am

This is why you were my top scumspect until you were confirmed town. You're always swingy; sometimes you stall things that don't need to be stalled, and other times you jump to conclusions. Just saying.

DonJosh · Post Post #381 (isolation #51) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:57 am

Wow. I just read through Cobbler's ISO, and I don't know why he's not dead yet. Especially after Xalxe's flip.

In post 12, Cobblerfone wrote:/confirm

Saulres is probtown.

I believe this caused some controversy right from the start?

In post 22, Cobblerfone wrote:
Xalxe wrote:Cobbler, what makes you say that?

I'll say at the end of RVS. Now, some questions:

@Whiskers: I briefly read a couple posts of one of the games you were in. You seem to have a delightful posting style. How do you expect to do this game?
@Kondi: I checked a completed newbie game that you replaced in and saw that your very first vote was for scum. Do you expect you'll do as impressively this game?
@Xalxe: I saw on your wiki page that you prefer to be a pro-scum player. What do you like about being scum? Do you feel you do poorly as town?
@Saulres: What is your experience with mafia? Have you played much off-site?
@DonJosh: I remember playing some marathon games with you, but I couldn't find any normal ones to research. How would you describe your play?

@Everyone: What's so bad about Mist?

This post is an example of the two most WIFOMy things scum can do.
1. RQS
2. Pre-game research

In post 60, Cobblerfone wrote:Okay, kondi still hasn't responded. So I'll just say I have a townread on Whiskers and a weaker one on Saulres. Whiskers, because pony asked for my favorite alignment then put some extra thought into it and asked for my favorite role. Saulres because of the L+3 thing and redoing his post.

Random town-reads.

In post 73, Cobblerfone wrote:VOTE: DonJosh

For claiming he's trying out a new playstyle.

Clearly RVS. BUT WAIT...

In post 90, Cobblerfone wrote:
Actually it was serious. To explain, "trying out a new style" can be an excuse to avoid comparisons to previous town-meta. It's not much, but it's early. With my townread posts I felt we were out of RVS but still in RQS, so... yeah.

...NO! now it's a serious vote.

In post 106, Cobblerfone wrote:Scumspects: Mist for #101 (mainly the copycat cry of "Whiskers stop vote hopping" rubs me wrong) DonJosh is relatively only leaning scum for previous reasons. Xalxe is getting scummier by the post. Examples of my posts without content please? The only reason I'm not voting you right now is because I'd expect scum acting like you are to be more competent than this. And I don't see a Mist/Xalxe scumteam as likely.

VOTE: Mist

Makes Xalxe seem like his top scumspect, yet votes Mist.

In post 307, Cobblerfone wrote:Well there goes the backup plan.

Hmm...

Woah, I just realized if Xalxe's the cop we have both scum then. It's almost too good to be true. I have to think about this.

UNVOTE:

In case Mist IS scum.

No. Impossible. Xalxe was already conf-scum at this point. I'm not buying the "It's almost too good to be true!" crap.

In post 333, Cobblerfone wrote:UNVOTE:

I just want to hear from DonJosh before Xalxe can quickhammer himself.

Saulres' stalling edged him ahead of DonJosh for me.

Unvoting his scumbuddy before he "quick-hammers himself"???

In post 360, Cobblerfone wrote:Wait no, I think it was Mist.

Still, Don looks worse.

LOLOLOL

DonJosh · Post Post #383 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:05 am

In post 382, saulres wrote:
In post 381, DonJosh wrote:Xalxe was already conf-scum at this point

No he wasn't. Both he and Xalxe claimed cop, and we hadn't started the "who's the seer" talk yet.

Oh. My bad.

DonJosh · Post Post #384 (isolation #53) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:05 am

IMO, It's still a partner-tell post, though.

DonJosh · Post Post #388 (isolation #54) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:18 am

In post 353, saulres wrote:
References to Xalxe are quite different. DonJosh tends to be more "Xalxe is town town town" while Cobbler's more "Xalxe is scum scum scummier". So we've either got DonJosh as scum trying to say his partner looks good, while townie Cobbler's reading him well, or we've got townie DonJosh reading him poorly and scum Cobbler distancing.

Cobbler was distancing and doing a poor job, ie declaring him as scum, but then voting for someone else. Or voting him, then unvoting later. I'm obviously just bad at reading people, cuz I legit thought Xalxe was town (until that time he disappeared for a while...)

In post 359, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 209, DonJosh wrote:UNVOTE: Mist7676
VOTE: No Lynch

I suggest Mist for investigation.

In post 222, DonJosh wrote:Xalxe sounds good I guess.

In post 223, DonJosh wrote:Still would prefer Mist, though

In post 246, DonJosh wrote:I'm finding Xalxe's sudden disappearance scummy beyond [earth].

In post 218, saulres wrote:Actually, scratch that. Since a potential advantage is clearing someone, I want one of the more active players investigated.

And Whiskers going along with this plan, an enhancing it, makes me think he's town.

Let's investigate Xalxe.

I had my doubts about Saulres after yesterday, but I'm glad I ISO'd them. DonJosh is scum. It isn't until he's set to be investigated that he decides Xalxe is extremely scummy. While Saulres was actually the one to suggest Xalxe be investigated. This is good enough for me:

VOTE: DonJosh

Honestly, I don't see what he's getting at here. I went along with the plan and suggested Mist. Since everyone else seemed to suspect Xalxe, I decided sure, may as well try it. It can't hurt. After all, there were two scum. Then when Xalxe disappeared after the pressure, I took it as a a scumtell. Cobbler's next post after this is absolutely terrible.

In post 363, saulres wrote:Thought I might look through Xalxe's posts looking for clues as to who his partner is and came up with this doozy (bold mine):

In post 201, Xalxe wrote:
In post 199, Whiskers wrote:
In post 193, Xalxe wrote:Oh no, I've been caught. Whatever shall I do.

(Yes, scum)

Completely un-fucking-necessary and he's trying to hide away a minor scumslip (which I would have ignored, it's usually the mafia, in most games) by mocking us and making bad jokes.

He admitted to being scum earlier, when I voted him and didn't give a reason. Again, completely unnecessary, just trying to make me feel bad or something because I shouldn't vote him.

You keep pushing Mist. Mist hasn't been scummy, only inactive. DonJosh has been far worse. You have a town-read on him, which is fucking broken.

Explain it to me then. Show, don't just tell.
DonJosh is scum? PROVE IT. I have yet to see it. SHOW ME conclusive evidence and we'll talk.
But for now, I'm okay with where my vote is, thought if you want me to move it, I might consider it.

And yes, I AM trying to make you feel bad. You should be ashamed for attempting to kill a townie like me.

Scum don't generally get all aggressive defedning their partners, now do they? They try to keep low about, to not cause a commotion.

In post 367, saulres wrote:Here's a good one too, convincing me more to vote for DonJosh over Cobblerfone, from a confirmed townie who's played an excellent game here.

In post 111, Whiskers wrote:Yeah. I'm not even fighting against your questions. My point here is that Xalxe or DonJosh are all cuddly together, saying that the other is so awesome, both reading Cobblerfone as Neutral/Null, for instance, when in fact Cobblerfone has been more useful to the town than either one of them.

I've done enough research on my own at this point that I'm willing to hammer DonJosh. However, in the interest of giving town the best possible chance, I want to see DonJosh's defense and his arguments, if any, why Cobbler's really the scum.

Gonna stop doing my own research at this point until I hear back from him.

I just gotta point out that Whisker's post makes me lul, cuz Cobbler's conf-scum from my POV.
Similar reads is not a partner-tell.

DonJosh · Post Post #390 (isolation #55) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:22 am

In post 386, Cobblerfone wrote:
DJ wrote:
In post 22, Cobblerfone wrote:
Xalxe wrote:Cobbler, what makes you say that?

I'll say at the end of RVS. Now, some questions:

@Whiskers: I briefly read a couple posts of one of the games you were in. You seem to have a delightful posting style. How do you expect to do this game?
@Kondi: I checked a completed newbie game that you replaced in and saw that your very first vote was for scum. Do you expect you'll do as impressively this game?
@Xalxe: I saw on your wiki page that you prefer to be a pro-scum player. What do you like about being scum? Do you feel you do poorly as town?
@Saulres: What is your experience with mafia? Have you played much off-site?
@DonJosh: I remember playing some marathon games with you, but I couldn't find any normal ones to research. How would you describe your play?

@Everyone: What's so bad about Mist?

This post is an example of the two most WIFOMy things scum can do.
1. RQS
2. Pre-game research

Debunk: Look on my wiki for Newbie 1123.

Don wrote:
In post 60, Cobblerfone wrote:Okay, kondi still hasn't responded. So I'll just say I have a townread on Whiskers and a weaker one on Saulres. Whiskers, because pony asked for my favorite alignment then put some extra thought into it and asked for my favorite role. Saulres because of the L+3 thing and redoing his post.

Random town-reads.

Debunk: Those are not random at all. The reasons are right there.

DJ wrote:
In post 73, Cobblerfone wrote:VOTE: DonJosh

For claiming he's trying out a new playstyle.

Clearly RVS. BUT WAIT...

In post 90, Cobblerfone wrote:
Actually it was serious. To explain, "trying out a new style" can be an excuse to avoid comparisons to previous town-meta. It's not much, but it's early. With my townread posts I felt we were out of RVS but still in RQS, so... yeah.

...NO! now it's a serious vote.

Debunk: It doesn't say at all that it's random.
DJ wrote:

DJ wrote:

In post 333, Cobblerfone wrote:UNVOTE:

I just want to hear from DonJosh before Xalxe can quickhammer himself.

Saulres' stalling edged him ahead of DonJosh for me.

Unvoting his scumbuddy before he "quick-hammers himself"???

Yes, he was confirmed scum at that point and could have quickhammered himself to end discussion.

DJ wrote:

In post 360, Cobblerfone wrote:Wait no, I think it was Mist.

Still, Don looks worse.

LOLOLOL

Debunk: LOLOLOL

Those are some lazy-ass comebacks, Cobbler.

DonJosh · Post Post #392 (isolation #56) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:23 am

Eating supper... More votes on Cobbler while I'm gone... be back in ~1 hr

DonJosh · Post Post #393 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:27 am

Also, Cobbler has "countered" my ISO, but I'd like to see why

I

am scum. ISO me. I dare you.

DonJosh · Post Post #396 (isolation #58) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:52 am

Goddammit, saulres

DonJosh · Post Post #397 (isolation #59) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:53 am

It's my fault, though. I'm pretty terrible at this. GG though, everyone! I had a lot of fun.

DonJosh · Post Post #404 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:05 am

In post 402, Cobblerfone wrote:

[saulres] and Whiskers were the stronger town players, IMO.

Xalxe was obvscum but made up for it in the end.

And I suspected saulres and Whiskers, and had a town read on Xalxe for half the game. Huh.