NY139: Underground Mafia (Game over!)

[Pine]

Oh hell, I completely forgot to catch up in this game. I've replaced into a number as part of my comeback to the site and this one just fell through the cracks. I'll work on it over the next couple of days.

[Pine]

He targetted Mastin.

I watched mastin, and the only person who visited him (aside from me) was Battousai.

Battousai said he wasn't going to action and claims he actioned me which is a little silly, no?

Still working on my catch-up, but this is pretty cut and dry.

Hang Battousai, or hang Uprising if we find out he was lying. Win-win.

Battousai

[Pine]

How original. Scum claims guilty result when their back is to the wall. Today is a 1 v 1 between me and uprising, and he comes up with the only thing that would keep him alive.

I'd vote, but I want more information for tomorrow. So... I'll wait for more people to post...

Town wouldn't post this. Town would recognize the 1v1 status of Uprising's claim, try to get the other lynched first to avoid a mislynch, but would accept that getting mislynched would guarantee a scumlynch on Uprising. Yeah. Battousai it is.

Nicely done, Uprising.

[Pine]

Uprising's 1606 is misrep. I said I wouldn't target anyone, but I planned to hide behind uprising (hence the embedding of his name in my post). The reason I said I wouldn't was an attempt to get the scum to take a chance at killing me (and hence, no kill would have happened).

Really

? I see no misrep. All I see is him presenting the results of his claimed actions, and a re-stating of your intentions from D5. Followed by you disavowing what you said you'd be doing. Calling it misrepresentation is...well...misrepresentation.

[Pine]

Nah, lynch the scum.

[Pine]

Eh, when a cop or cop-like role comes out with a guilty, you don't defend your buddy, and damn don't chainsaw for them. You let them die, kill the investigator, and go for the next day.

[Pine]

Guilty result = {Battousi, Uprising} = 1 scum. You always follow the cop when able to. If you were arguing on merits, you might have a shot at turning me. You're arguing based on strategy, and that's just not going to fly.

[Pine]

Technically, battousai claimed a cop-relevant result first.

link? I'm being a bit lazy with my readthrough with all the present info.

[Pine]

That means trekker is claiming he was blocked. Not a fan of that particular claim. Do we have solid reasons to trust trekker?

[Pine]

To clarify, he's claiming that he is a rolecop that got blocked, then not blocked. Doesn't make sense for scum not to block him. Unless we have a Town roleblocker?

Christ, I need to stop putting off the full readthrough.

[Pine]

Stringer claimed Rolecop-by-JOAT with a VT on eep?

How did Stringer get lynched? Because if it didn't come up before now, claiming VT on a Townie without verification is ridiculously risky for scum. It would be pretty damning for eep IM

H

O, because it would indicate that Stringer was trying to clear his buddy.

Bus Driver is not a within the Normal guidelines, we don't have one.

Unless I've overlooked something, looks like remaining scum are Battousi, Trekker, and eep. GG, folks.

[Pine]

Eep claimed vt before stringer claimed his copping

That was left off your list of claims. Okay, Stringer's claim means nothing regarding eep. We're not quite at the "GG" stage yet.

[Pine]

Pine... uh why am I scum and not uprising?

You should have been asking that a while ago. Instead, you were questioning the strategy of following the cop. Nah, I simply believe him more than you. Your actions since Uprising's claim are sufficient for now.

[Pine]

I need to read >_>

[Pine]

No, you haven't been defending yourself. Until just recently, you were

just

attacking the common-sense follow-the-cop strategy. There's a subtle but important difference here. If you'd defended yourself and gone after Uprising, accepting that you'd be auto-lynched if he flipped Town, you might have had a shot at me believing you. But you did a very common scum-panicmode response.

I'm very confident in lynching you, and I think it would take ironclad evidence to convince me otherwise at this point. My vote is remaining off of you for now because I think we can put in a solid day's work against your buddies before we come back around to you. I will not be voting for anyone else unless the rest of the Town has a collective brain hemorrhage.

[Pine]

^Scumslip. Forgot to say "this -may- be MyLo". Knows for certain the number of scum, final nail in the coffin.

Also, in other news, we now know for certain that we are indeed in MyLo.

[Pine]

I'm a VT, ftr.

In my replacement PM, I actually begged Agar to find me a scum role, but he replied that I'd had no such luck

[Pine]

By my account

, this is mylo.

^Scumslip. Forgot to say "this -may- be MyLo". Knows for certain the number of scum, final nail in the coffin.

Also, in other news, we now know for certain that we are indeed in MyLo.

What part of read the thread or knowing the definition of my account has you confused? I've been saying all along that this is mylo based on the roles.

Though that was a good try in trying to ignore my last post and just focused on one little thing. Now I'm pretty sure that Pine is scum with uprising. It actually makes sense, too. We haven't been able to get scum lynched until the mass claim, because it seems like at least half of the scum were basically inactive/lurking.

My point is that you don't seem to have any doubt that we're in MyLo. That indicates

knowing

what the scum-to-Town ratio is, rather than speculating on it.

The second half is a fair point against me, I do need to read and evaluate trekker's claim for myself, and not by hearsay.

[Pine]

I don't care what the wiki says, ROLE cops in my experience ALWAYS come back with the full name of the role. What you (and the wiki) are describing is what I'd call a rolecop variant, or some kind of flavor cop.

There cannot be a Jester in this game, it's under the Normal rules.

[Pine]

further, a rolecop who gets alignment + two other weak cop roles (gunsmith and watcher/hider) + 2 bodyguards + 2 potential mason pairs is WAY overpowered.

It's overpowered either way. At least one, maybe more are lying about their role. Too tired to sort it out.

[Pine]

^lolbus

[Pine]

Okay, 19 people. 10 dead Townies, one dead SK, two dead goons, strong Town power.

Six alive. Can't be three scum alive (or we'd have endgamed), so we have two left. 4:2, we're in MyLo. I would toy with the idea of a No Lynch to reduce it to 3:2 and make us more likely to hit scum with a lynch, but sorgster is an outed confirmed Mason, so he's the next night kill. In my book, that puts us in LyLo.

1. AntB

8. sorgster

9. StevieT92

12. Pine

18. eep
19. trekker

Two of the following are scum:
1. AntB
9. StevieT92
18. eep
19. trekker

This is as far as my thinking takes me tonight, between prime time TV and fatigue. I have tomorrow off, so I'll have full workups on each of those four in the morning.

[Pine]

Likewise. I've been in QTs with Mastin, and it's always voluminous and productive. Plus, I trust his judgment when I know he's Town.

[Pine]

@pine, trekker might have scumslipped here and confirms that he was saying there were three scum here.

i don't think both trekker and battousai can be scum.

No more votes.

I want eep to explain this post and his vote on trekker. They are significantly at odds.

[Pine]

In fact, sorgster please unvote as fast as you can, trekker is in quickhammering range right now.

[Pine]

My RC said that Battousai was Hider, instead of getting a result on Uprising. What's going on, and why are we lynching him??

VOTE: eep

A slight never mind. This post condemns trekker. There is no ability within Normal ruleset that will confuse a rolecop in this manner. Framer can give a cop a false guilty, Godfather a false innocent, or roleblock can stop it completely. But nothing can confuse it like this.

Disregard the call for unvotes, but not the request for no more votes. I'll be hammering when I'm satisfied with eep's answer, as I now suspect him of bussing rather than trying to mislynch.

[Pine]

Six alive, four votes needed for hammer. With three votes, he's at L-1.

I was asking you to justify your reversal on trekker, but it had not occurred to me in my haste that you're right, being caught in a lie does justify it completely.

I don't have a case, as I've been unable to do the promised full workups on the remaining possible scum, just the one point that jumped out at me. I'll deal with it over the night.

Vote: trekker

[Pine]

Vote: No Lynch

3:1, classic MyLo.

[Pine]

I understood. I'm considering it.

[Pine]

Hrm...but that is ^

[Pine]

1148 is enough to make me do this:

Unvote
Vote: Stevie

I find it hard to believe he was bussing both of his partners. Typically, you bus one to establish credibility and ride that to several mislynches.

[Pine]

@Mod

: I'm voting for Stevie.

[Pine]

Lolno. Skepticism in the face of overwhelming public opinion and near-proof is a Towntell. Scum right now needs to lynch someone, anyone. There's about zero chance it's me. Antscum would definitely stayed away from suspicion of me and been on Stevie like white on rice. It's Stevie.

[Pine]

This game is still going? Vote Stevie. If you require further proof, the fact that no other scum has made a guarded agreement on him in the hopes of building momentum is pretty solid in itself.

[Pine]

He's been around since the opening was made. If he'd jumped onto Stevie with little caution, I might be looking at him. Same if you had. But neither of you did, so I believe that to be an affirmation that I'm correct.

[Pine]

1771 is WIFOM and 1772 is straight up false. Example: recently finished open game (I forget the number, title has "Agatha eats well" in it) it came down to a 3:1 endgame and I, as the last scum, was first on the mislynch. First SK win of mine, btw.

Stevie's rage seems very fabricated to me.

[Pine]

What would you have me say?

[Pine]

No. Gah, with eep taking your side, I'm going to have to actually build up a well-researched case.

I tend not to read the backlog of a thread when I replace in. I have had very good success with this strategy, because I often find that scum who have been successfully flying under the radar tend to slip a lot more in the late game, but it doesn't get noticed because of confirmation bias. You, Stevie, have been noticably the scummiest of the remaining players since I replaced in. I'm not switching, and unfortunately now I have to do my homework to convince the others.

[Pine]

That's the second time you've said that, indicating an overriding preoccupation with escaping suspicion. Town would be less concerned with how they're perceived, and more with advancing their own case. Keep digging.

[Pine]

Oh? You

know

he's scum? Considering that he's posted jack shit since day start, and just as little the day before that, what changed since your abortive push on eep?

[Pine]

I want content out of AntB.

AntB, when you read this, I'm toying with hammering you just out of exasperation and annoyance. Content now.

[Pine]

The reason we shouldn't is because no one has claimed a PR that might make it worthwhile, like roleblocker or doctor. All that will happen is that I, as confirmed Town, will be dead and you'd be in the same position, except with quickhammers more viable for scum.

Beginning to self-doubt and look hard at AntB again. Need to actually read the thread. Gah.

[Pine]

Fuck it.

Unvote
Vote: AntB

[Pine]

Well, given that your response right there means you're innocent, and I'm pretty sure eep is too...

[Pine]

I are teh sad

eep was my top suspect going into endgame, and she managed to flip it around completely. GG.

[Pine]

In the end, town played well do to Pine and mastin. If they didn't replace in, it would have been over much earlier.

We should totally replace into more games, yo. I'm in too many games right now, want to hydra and go hunting for replacement games some time soon?

[Pine]

[Pine]

You got me...

I lynched Faradayscum? I'm so proud!