Scummies 2011 Nominations

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nominate In the Court of the Gods for Best Mechanic/Mutation

Nth

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nominate

Lady Lambdadelta

for

Most Outstanding New Player.

Her play as a replacement in Brotherhood of the Wolf was outstanding. I've read some of her other games and she has shown good instincts and ability as any alignment. She also has an impressive record for someone new to the site (although as recognition of her skills grow I expect she's going to start dying more frequently early )

Wow. Thank you. >.<

What amuses me more than this nomination (and yes, the nomination is amusing) is the alt speculation that followed it. xD

Let me clear this up for the masses, in the only way I know how.

I am not an alt.
This is my first account on the site.
The sky is blue.
The red must be the truth.

Hope that puts and end to that. :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because we HAVE a lot of alts on this site. And usually it takes a while to 'get used to' the way we play Mafia here; when somebody catches right on, it usually means they either read up before playing, or they're an alt. I'll let you guess which actually happens more often...

Also, hardly anybody joins the site to play Mish-Mash, Large Themes, and Guys Part 2, in that order.

Oh shit. Did I do this?

Edit: Damn, I did. I started with the Riddle Thread in MishMash, my first games were SWN III and Reckamonic's OOT, and I posted in Guys Pt. 2 pretty early on. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Damn, and you're still here? Well done.

LLD: I meant no disrespect in my questions. You just threw/throw off a LOT of alt tells. If you are telling the truth, then you absolutely deserve the nomination.

No disrespect taken. ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, it's a mod error that says 2 day 2's.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd second that, but I was part of that scum team :3

I'll note that scum played a PERFECT game. FLAWLESS. There were 3 scum that died, but that was due to a mechanic in which for every town mislynch we achieved, the scum member who had the most votes cast on them at any point in the game was auto-killed by the mechanic. No single player in the game caused the death of a scum member, at night or during the day.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The town of Camden was basically in bloodlust. Even the townies had the urge to kill constantly, though it was directed at the mafia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nths all around!

No. Be specific or stop wasting our time.

I think he meant to both the Setup and the Faraday nomination...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think he meant QUADZ to be specific.

Stop wating our time.

When you learn some basic grammar and spelling, I'll consider listening to you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/not supporting for the same reasons Reck gave, with the addition that he's been doing some shady stuff in the Newbie queue.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He has been trying to /in to newbie games with his alts, as a newbie, even though he has 2 games experience under his belt now.

It's described best in the Forum 62 Blacklist thread.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE, Color Concentration town was pretty good, but not scummy caliber.

It's like Buffy Mafia's town. We caught all 3 scum in 3 days, and only have 1 town death. But I don't think that town deserves a scummy either.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nth'ing Amrum for Best New Player

. She is both well-considered, eloquent, polite and tough-as-nails.

Ah yes, good choice!

Nth

with enthusiasm!

Amrun is a wonderful new player.

I can't help but wonder if this endorsement doesn't hurt her chances more than help them~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RC, if we start doing that shit, we'll have to give out an award for every god damned role.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ You serious? I troll all the time, and I got nominated for 5 scummies last year.

Were any of them for cheating?

Edit: Upon further reflection, that can't be right. If you were nominated for a scummy based upon cheating, you might have actually won one. :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No, of course not. They were for admirable, excellent, honest, trustworthy, skillful things.

<3

Ah. No wonder you lost.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nth All AGM awards concerning DEFCON

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ No. What town power?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you guys are hatin

also, lady lambda is obv butthurt

Scum had an INVENTOR JOAT a BELOVED PRINCESS who ALSO could do some other crazy power I forget AND A GODFATHER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think that Best New Mod should be a Body of Work award, like Best Newbie?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Wut

[Lady Lambdadelta]

non random role assignment lol, although not for this thread and doesn't change the scummy nom so.

What's this referring to?

The game Reck was nominated for, where Wraith assigned the roles non randomly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

non random role assignment lol, although not for this thread and doesn't change the scummy nom so.

What's this referring to?

The game Reck was nominated for, where Wraith assigned the roles non randomly.

was there a reason for that? I've done non-random assignment once, but that was for Pledge of Allegiance where people picked their alignment, so it seemed to make sense.

Apparently the reason was to give Reck the GF, (among a few others, but that's the one that stands out most).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not how you are that matters in this case Vi, but rather how others perceive you.

Actions>Words and all that jazz.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But if you know the impression is wrong, etc.

Yes, but you do get the point I'm saying.

As seen in the thread, it has obviously led to said impression in the minds of many.

Yes, I got that.

It's not how you are that matters in this case Vi, but rather how others perceive you.

Actions>Words and all that jazz.

YesyesyesIknowIknowIknow

I'm not completely oblivious to this; you don't have to lecture. -.-

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to lecture anyone. I just wanted all this useless debate to stop. You know you did something wrong, people will forgive you, we can all go home happy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I lecture VI in games all the time...

It's not something I aspire to do honestly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, Andrew and Lady Lambdadelta appear to be ineligible for Outstanding New Player via join dates.

Due to my due date of joining, I feel I never had a fair chance at winning this award due to the arbitrary date you placed. I joined 31 days before your deadline, and as a result never really had a chance to participate for either the 2010 or the 2011 award, due to the arbitrary date line.

I would like to move for the time on the newbie award to be changed to a more inclusive "joined in 2010" time. Then it at the very least gives all players a chance at 1 year of play. Because my only chance at the newbie award would have been in 2010, where I had 4 months of play. Due to your ineligibility date, all my other time (while still being under a year on this site) is not even looked at.

Using the "joined in the previous year" idea works better to include all players, as it provides a minimum of 1 year experience (assuming a December join date).

Of course, there is also the option of only counting games played within the first year, so that it makes everyone equal. So for this scummies, eligability would work like this:

-Joined in 2010 or later
-Only first year of games are counted (from join date to 1 year later).

This gives all players equal time to prove themselves for the award, and also removes the arbitrary cut off where people like me who join just before the date get screwed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, Andrew and Lady Lambdadelta appear to be ineligible for Outstanding New Player via join dates.

Due to my due date of joining, I feel I never had a fair chance at winning this award due to the arbitrary date you placed. I joined 31 days before your deadline, and as a result never really had a chance to participate for either the 2010 or the 2011 award, due to the arbitrary date line.

I would like to move for the time on the newbie award to be changed to a more inclusive "joined in 2010" time. Then it at the very least gives all players a chance at 1 year of play. Because my only chance at the newbie award would have been in 2010, where I had 4 months of play. Due to your ineligibility date, all my other time (while still being under a year on this site) is not even looked at.

Using the "joined in the previous year" idea works better to include all players, as it provides a minimum of 1 year experience (assuming a December join date).

Of course, there is also the option of only counting games played within the first year, so that it makes everyone equal. So for this scummies, eligability would work like this:

-Joined in 2010 or later
-Only first year of games are counted (from join date to 1 year later).

This gives all players equal time to prove themselves for the award, and also removes the arbitrary cut off where people like me who join just before the date get screwed.

Quoting this so it doesn't get lost on the back page.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Someone really wants that newbie award >.>

Somebody really wants to be considered for it, and not shafted by 31 days. :/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Basic understanding from me says that every player should have a fair shot of winning it. LLD didn't have that. No one is going to win best newbie off of 4 months of play when there's people who had full 12. You just don't have the body of work that a 12 month player has.

Making it something like February or March is probably much fairer. At least until someone shows me that a player who played on site 4 months was ever seriously considered for the award EVER in the past (doesn't have to win, but show serious consideration for a 4 month poster in any past scummies (all current nominees have been on site far longer).

And then in a year someone who joined in January or February (based off your February or March statement) will complain.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Unless you said can be nominated for any game that was completed within your first year of joining the site.

Did my fix not equalize this so that all players have 1 year of play time, but can be nominated aslong as they joined after Jan. 1 2010? It equalizes the field.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Grey-kun, there's no need to be hostile. I mean, it's just an award. It's not a huge end of the world deal or anything, but I

WOULD

like to have all players be able to be equally and fairly considered.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sympathetic, but a few issues:

1. What defines play time? Should it start when your first game starts and end a year later? If so, does that mean judges have to stop evaluating midgame? Or is it just games that end within a year of your first game's start?

2. A person joins in January. There seems to be something wrong about evaluating their Best Newbieness that covers basically all of 2010 while we're in 2012. It seems like we start to run more and more behind contemporary times. A player that joins in January of 2010, by the time they receive the "Best Newbie" icon will have been playing the game for TWO YEARS. At the end of his reign, he'll have been playing for three years.

3. One of the nice things about the system now is that judges can evaluate a player GENERALLY to see if they're the best Newbie. An issue with the suggestion is that say you're in a game with me in October of this year and you play great. It's pretty hard to ignore that as a judge, but this is asking me to because it can only cover a year.

As I said, I'm sympathetic, LLD. But you actually had 4 months to get nominated as Best Newbie for last year's scummies. Admittedly, it's not "fair" in the sense that you had far less time to earn it, but I think the October date is set to allow players to at least have a chance.

1) Play Time should be from the point at which a player joins the site and is activated, to when their year is up. Games should be evaluated based on join date in the game. If you join the game the day before your deadline passes, it should count towards your total. The day after, it should be ignored.

2) To be fair, people will know what year it is intended for, because we are setting a specific limit to what year it is. It's best newbie for the play of their first year on the site, within the larger limit of 2010/2011 game year.

3) Once that year is up, no other games should be counted, and Judges should enforces this strictly. This IS about Best NEWBIE, and after that cutoff point, it may be a great game they played, but it wasn't played AS A NEWBIE. I don't think the judges would be swayed by that, or that they SHOULD be.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just a question, if you start in August of 2010 and get nominated for a game that you finished in say december 2010 you can be nominated for 2011 scummy for newbie for 2010, but what happens if you also do a great game in march 2011 - can you be nominated again in 2012 for best newbie?

Slippery slope and all that jazz.

Waiting for GI's awesome insult for the above sentence.

You need to understand there would be two limits.

The date the player joined must be AFTER Jan. 1st of the previous year (in this case, 2010).

All games that are considered must be played within 1 year of join date.

At the extremes, that means at one end, all your games are played in 2010.

And at the other end, all your games are played in 2011.

Which is no different from the current system, really. That part doesn't change.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I guess my thing is that I think of "Best Newbie" as an attempt to award "our best new player right now" rather than a recognition of the person who was at one point a really good newbie.

Again, that's not to say I'm not sympathetic, LLD. Given the staggered start dates for our players, it certainly means that some are more likely to win the award than others (thus, again, why awarding it every 6 months instead of 12 makes sense), but I'm not sure the solution to suggest is a good way to go at it.

I actually think that the 6 month thing is good, but it can cause the same problems of not having everyone get equal time.

I am hoping to find a solution wherein all players nominated for this award are given equal opportunity.

The other option is to remove the deadline, and have the judges decide for themselves what a "newbie" is, but that seems to lead to a lot of subjective decision and a non-constant definition of newbie each year.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

Just take your scummy and be happy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Longest Game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who would be stupid enough to take pride in something negative?

Why do you post?

That's harsh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who would be stupid enough to take pride in something negative?

Why do you post?

That's harsh.

That was my first reaction. Then I realized it was actually kind of clever comment. Read it again.

I read it as "SK takes pride in something negative every time he posts, because his posts are shit."

Am I wrong?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Highlighting

Sims 3 Mafia

for xRECKONERx's

Best Mafia Catcher

Body of Work nomination
ISO 0-2: Joke posts
ISO 3: Calls Fourseen scum
ISO 4-9: More pressure on Fourseen at which point Fourseen breaks down and is obv scum
ISO 10: Calls Maruchan Fourseen's buddy
ISO 11-22: More Maruchan pressure
ISO 23: Questions bv310 on what he thinks of Fourseen-Maruchan
ISO 31: Calls bv310 the third buddy in the Mafia team
ISO 35: Calls out StrangerCoug for trying to appear too town
ISO 37: Calls StrangerCoug as a SK
ISO till 66: Gets Fourseen lynched, then gets Maruchan lynched D2
ISO 67: Says NS will also have to be lynched if he stalls more

Actual alignments
Mafia: Fourseen, Maruchan, bv310, LLD
SK: StrangerCoug
Lyncher: NS

He thought I was town though, so

it's all useless!

No but really.

Nth

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is Best Replacement a Body of Work award? I thought it was for an individual game basis?