NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

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VOTE: Sly

let's roll. I've still got my eye on you Mastin. A few others too (DG iirc)

may post a 'from what I recall' post later if I have the time.

It's good to be back though ^^

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mastin has a QT which he keeps his notes in. he also has a very nice webcomic

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I bold stuff all the time, amigo. Am I the third mafiosi?

No-one can really comment on BB yet. He's right to be confused. He read zilch of the game beforehand. I think a townie would be just as paranoid at having zero information

and Mastin you can't dismiss as scum either. He always plays this sorta mind-bending game. He's not for D1 lynch at the very least I've come to accept.

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w/e

I disagree but there isn't anything else I can add. Your opinion I guess.

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Let it be, BB. If he truly believes you to be scum you'll hardly be able to convince him now will you?
I've already said I don't see too much logic in it myself anyways. Chkflip is a good player though from what I remember of our only previous game so It would be wrong of me not to let him him have his opinion.

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My thoughts are also With Mastin's dog

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I feel like I should be saying more but I'm just so overworked IRL at the moment


so sorry

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I really want to make a catchup post at this point; if not to only feel like I'm doing something, but I just can't find much to say.

@mod: can the Op be updated to say who replaced who? Ty

My thoughts from before are still the same. Andy, Nacho, pine, Queen, PM, and Oversoul still site on my very town pile.
Others like BL and mastin aren't as town for one reason or another, but certainly shouldn't be lynched today.

Everyone else was overall null with slight suspicions on DG and sly. Perhaps Kise too my head tells me, though I can't honesty recall why.

There isn't much I can say at this point. We need momentum.

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The OP is up to date.

yah, but It'd be swish if it said who replaced who...

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Since neither Alex nor Elmo posted in this thread, it's unnecessary.

it helps me remember who they were in the previosu thread though that got deleted

I may have had thoughts on elmo/alex and with no indication on who they were replaced by in the OP that doesn't help me much, does it?

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Lowell is a boring vote. I won't say it's wrong though; just boring.

Why flip from sly at the first hint of a new wagon though, Mastin? Bandwagon much?

@DG: did you crumb cop? I believe your claim, but a crumb would be an added bonus.

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Fair enough.
I thought you had something nice with Sly though. I'm disappointed to see you drop it, but I won't hold it against you

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VOTE: DamonGant

That's all I have to say about that.

Dude, you just don't vote a climaed cop

DG is certainly not for lynch today

I think DG did what was necessary. We had no momentum in the game. Sure, it was a little extreme, but we were going nowhere and we needed something. I think it worked well, for now we see that you're a little too lynch-happy for the claimed cop.
I would certainly not have done it, but DG is not me and I can certainly see town motivation ehind it.
Voting the claimed cop I cannot, amigo

I really want to vote BBmolla again, this is just ridiculous.

"HEY GUIEZ I GAINS TOWN CRED BY ASKING WHY WAGONS BECOME WAGONS YEAH?"

Fucking. Heinous.

Or it was a genuine question...

Are you a BB lyncher or something Chk?

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well no-one is stopping you from voting him.

Can you tell me why you're voting Lowell when all you've seen from him is his one post in this thread which says:

Didn't know we'd started. will catch up.

I'd rather you were voting a scumread of yours, which I don't agree with, rather than another vote only to sheep because from that one post I just don't see how you can decide Lowell is today's lynch?

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What you're trying to get me to do right now is debunk a very viable wagon.

And you judged this wagon viable from one contentless post?

I'm not trying to no-lynch. And "didn't know we started" is classic scum lurking. He could be town, sure, but someone that behind that still hasn't posted? We're better off without him.

I never claimed you were trying to no-lynch nor that no-lynching would be beneficial here. :/
That last sentence sounds like you're trying to justify a townie lynch already. Ugh... Really doesn't rest well with me amigo...

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By lynching a player you've deemed mafiosi from one content-less post whilst anticipating and trying to justify a pre-emptive townflip?

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I'm only talking like that because you're trying to push me to "vote one of my scumreads" when that's precisely what I'm doing. And you really can't say you're not, the connotation and decorum in 139 AND 141.

But thanks for making this conversation go on longer than it needed to.

This conversation will last as long as it needs to. Conversation is probably the least harmful thing the town can have.

The short of it is that after one post I, in your shoes, would certainly not be able to judge lowell as a scumread and lynchworthy after his one meagre post.
If Lowell flips town then I'm going to seriously suspect you tomorrow amigo after this shoddy sheeping

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Because everyone else was in the previous thread and therefore may have a reason or at least an

actual

impression of Lowell?

"They're doing it too, therefore I can as well. Lol" isn't the best thing I've heard today. Tu Quoque comes to mind.

I was really hoping I was going to hunt some mafiosi with Townflip at the start of this thread. 3/10 :<

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@queen:
I believe his claim because it was town to claim in that instance. DG was on what? L-5?
He claimed to provide momentum and get the game flowing. Scum have no motivation for that whatsoever. DG was in no imminent danger of a lynch and as bold a move he made is too unorthodox for mafiosi in my view.
Had he crumbed cop then it'd have shown he didn't make up the claim on the spot to protect his own skin. He didn't crumb though. I find his claim perfectly fine anyways

If you don't like my word though, take Mastin's. If he truly is a cop then he'll give us info to work with after tonight to test his claim better. There's just no sense in lynching DG today.

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So, he could be trying to get the game rolling to get towncred, or satisfy his own boredom.

A stagnat game is a beautiful thing for scum as there is no scumhunting.
What reason would scum have to encourage discussion?
With such a bold move with high risks I can hardly see him doing it for towncred. A simple counter-claim would have him dead almost-instantly

DG is certainly not today's lynch

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he had like 4 votes on him. :/

W/e

Lynching the cop without a fakeclaim and no results will be be the death of us

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Nice disregard for the consequences

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@PM: yes I have played with chkflip before

do I belie DG's claim? Considering he hasn't been CC'd i find it plausible, I don't think it matters though. A claimed cop is certainly not a D1 lynch. He claimed to provide momentum too and took a huge risk by revealing his role so early. Town motivation here amigo

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Let's get some movement. I simply do. not. trust. Andy right now.

unvote, vote andy

Trust me on this one.

Andy is one of my top town reads. If you want any chance of survival you should at least explain yourself more

Lowell has been suspect consistently, especially so in the previous thread

Whilst there have been more suspect players imho I'm happy to hammer lowell to avoid a no-lynch and actually get us some info. & ties.

I'd like a claim first though

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before killing a player off completely it's at least courtesy to give them a direct chance to claim

I do appreciate that we are in a deadline situation though and if there's no claim in the next hour I'll hammer if everyone's cool with that (since my timezone means it's late for me here now)

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He's had his time I'm afraid and no other lynch is happening today
VOTE: Lowell

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today we need to make sure we don't leave everything until the end of the deadline.

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today we need to make sure we don't leave everything until the end of the deadline.

TS, what on earth is this?
It's not a good start, and it's not any information anyone with a brain missed.

It needed to be made; someone had to say it

I'm happy with a BB lynch though. I never was a fan of Chimera and he's done little yesterday to convince me otherwise.
His lurking at the end of yesterday and convenient pop-up today is duly noted

VOTE: BB

nice to have you back pine

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This really doesn't feel like town BB to me

"but pine did this too...." just isn't the town arguments that are characteristic of the BB i've played with.
Admittedly he's had about half as much info to analyse as the rest of us, but that's no reason to keep him alve for that sake.
And his Nacho vote is a horrible omgus.... on Nacho of all people...

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Like look at my town play here. That's the entire game. Does that look like my town newbie play?

I will accept that that town play there looks quite poor there with little content and such.
Then again you were playing the cop, and cops don't want to be overly town...

Hmm.
I still prefer your lynch greatly to nacho's though. BL's should be considered too though. I hardly felt any difference between he and lowell, although Lowell didn't have the incrimination of being a possible Mafiosi neighbour.

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I'll bite.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: Pine

Pinescum > BBscum, imo.

hm?

you have never stated any suspicion of pine before, only BB, so if you could tell me what makes pine so lynch-worthy that'd be nice.

I mean this goes against a good deal of your posts

My scum reads are simple: BB, Gant, and Lowell.

I firmly believe Gant's flip will tell us the most here because of his obvious connections with Lowell and Spoon. I don't think Spoon is scum, but if Gant were to flip scum? Not so sure about it then. Spoon (and others, I think) are right about Lowell's ISO though; I still don't fucking like it, it's scummy as hell to lurk out that long but that's all I personally have against him. Maybe he's super busy or something. Much like half of the rest of this game. But that's why my vote went BBmolla => Lowell => Gant. My stronger scum-read is molla but that's not happening today.

can you tell em why pine is suddenly so suspect to you?
ty

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Maybe...

It's just that all of Chkflip's suspects so far have flipped town (except for Bb who i think will not) and I have a feeling pine will do likewise.
I'd just like to hear justification behind his vote today. I let him play the sheep card yesterday. I was hoping he wouldn't play it twice in a row

I still think pine is town ftr. Most of it stems from the previous thread where he offered himself for the lynch assuming Bl would go down too. That made me feel he was adamant BL was mafiosi and it certainly seemed to risky a move for scum and genuine on top of that.

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What if it was a planned gambit? That way, they could mislynch Bunnylover, and free up the nightkill for someone else. Which, in this case, they got really lucky, and had a claimed cop to kill.

Pine had no reason to gambit so early on. Would he risk everything so early?
BL wasn't lynched and DG hadn't claimed at the time. Hardly a gambit in that event anyways

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fair enough.

In my humble opinion I find it incredibly town, but I can't say any more than I've already said to persuade you, and I respect your opinion.

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Modskee: I'll just be l/a on the dates provided, I can probably post enough to not be prodded but I'll keep the v/la active for worst case scenario.

Twistedspoon, are you joking? I can't form a new scum-read? You're classier than that, stop acting so damn scummy right now.

appeal to TS?

forming a new scumread I can live with. With reasons...

And not pine anyways. Admittedly you never saw the previous thread, but All have your votes thus far (except for Bb which i agree with) have seemed sheepy sheepy to me

I don't mind sacrificing my towncred with seemingly inert questions and badgering when I think I'm getting somewhere. If I wanted to look town I'd have stopped pestering you long ago, but that's only half of the game.

SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

I don't remember any mason softclaim.

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wishful thinking, but there's no way DG can pop in here and spew his investigation results to us. that sorta goes against the idea of him being dead.

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well bah posts are exactly that; you can't say anything more than a 'bah'

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see, pine should live just for that

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well bah posts are exactly that; you can't say anything more than a 'bah'

Not really. In certain situations there is an easily breakable way to give a yes or no answer.

Bah = yes
absence = no

the wifom consequences of this would be suicidal, especially to a cop. Against the spirit of the game too
and it's not like there's a yes or no question

either way, we should pretend this line of discussion never happened. It's pointless.
The only good is that McQueen's wishful-beyond-reason thinking makes him look a little more town, if that was needed.

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It's funny when pine posts macro images. Less so when kondi does it

either way, his lynch is as valid as lowell's and his occurred...

I'm not sold at present as I'm still happy with my BB vote

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this game really needs a nacho/mastin/PM injection

I may go back and analyse the DG & lowell wagons in light of their townflips. I may not have time though, but i feel wagon analysis would be helpful.

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Twistedspoon,
your jumping on BBmolla's wagon was insanely, insanely awkward but I'll disregard that given you towntold a bit before.

I know it looked odd, but Bb lurked hard and I've already said why else I found him scum

I don't care how it looks when I'm adamant someone is mafiosi. It was hardly a wagon with only nacho on anyways.

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In my view pine is about as scummy as lowell or DG, and they certainly weren't meant to have flipped

sad that this has been pushed to a deadline day lynch again though

Oversoul appears the only one trying to get a good wagon rolling since the BB one stagnated. I might roll with that if I have to.

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If BL didn't always play a defensive game then I'd be more tempted to see BL scum.
I'm not saying she can't be, it's just that I know she plays a similar, quiet, defensive game as town.

I'm preferring a BB, sly lynch

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- First, I want to get this straight. The neighbors are Pine, Kise, and Bunnylover, correct?

Kise is a neighbour?
[quote="In post 465, kondi2424"
- Who replaced Alex? Because they're town. Reasoning being that the Mod refused to put their (and my) replacement on the OP, when that could be useful information for a scumbuddy.[/quote]
uh, what?

wouldn't the mod PM their scumbuddy if they were replaced? Having to check the OP seems a very crude method imho.

It's possible the doc didn't protect DG due to thinking Sly's harassment post-claim was some sort of counterclaim.

when did we get a doc?

- Seeing that multiple people are saying that chkflip is playing to his town meta, I'm going to put him as town for now.

That isn't really logical though is it? When people who's alignment you do not know make a claim like that you can't just blindly trust them. If you find him suspect then that's more than enough reason to do so. I hardly recall a difference between chkflip's town and scum playstyles anyways.

So if I had to say who was scum right now, it would be Sly, Overtoast, BB, Andy, and either mastin or Bunnylover. One of these could drop off depending on how many scum we have. I'm really feeling the Sly-Overtoast-BB team, though.

You're suggesting a mafiosi team of 5?

I feel slightly sorry for Oversoul (Overtoast? i do like that nick now actually) and andy. They were so obviously town in the previous thread it's a shame not a shred of that remains.

I can roll with the rest though (except for maybe Mastin)

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Sorry that's a bit brief. i should really put some analysis of my own up rather than comment on those of other players but I've been hard pressed for time this Easter. apologies again

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Post coming today. I do hope so. I can't blame anyone for lynching me whilst I have a post in the making so I'll try to get one up. No excuse for my neglect of the game though.

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Okay. One thing first. This needs getting off of my chest.

Andy, are you a Miller?

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I think with Sly we risk wifoming ourselves if we look too deeply. We don't know either way if scum knew the traitor or not. Null tell..
Or at least that's how I see it. It's a shame though. If we knew for sure that scum and traitors knew each other then juicy quotes like thesewould be very indicative...

@Mod: Does the traitor role know who the scum are?

McQueen's death is also interesting I don't want to go too deep for NK analysis wifom risks, but I think ignoring clues like these altogether would be rather myopic. I just can't see why stronger, more experienced members of the town were killed from my PoV..


Hmm... with a known traitor in the setup it would've been interesting were one of the neigbours the traitoe. Not explicity town/mafiosi and not town/town either. eh.

@ Neighbours: did any developments occur in your Qt last night?

Hey.

Nacho:
Oversoul:
Pine:
Twistedspoon:

I have a proposal to make.

Nacho's a strong townread. Pine was iffy, but might be town. Oversoul's a weaker townread, as is TS.

...But the important factor here is that you're all to varying degrees, still townreads.

Why don't we all get together and form a voting block? 5 players working together has to be an incredibly strong combo. Between the five of us, there HAS to be SOMEONE who we can all agree is scum.

My best bet would be Bunny, since

Bunnylover - 5 (Oversoul, Pine, Mastin, Chkflip, Bunnylover)

...We've got three already, plus a fourth former (Nacho).

What say you?

Voting bloc? I don't see why not. As long as the pressure group all agree...

Unvote, VOTE: Projectmatt.

Though I'd also go for SlySly.

hm? Why vote one of the more apparent townies Mastin? Please explain your PM read to me. ty

Unvote, Vote SlySly

I'll switch it back later on today if its evident I'm the only plausible lynch

wow

have you ridden every wagon by now?

VOTE: BL

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Here we go. Yeah, I think we seriously need to rethink the ol' chkflip townread that I've had since he replaced in for Chimera (who was a weak townread barely above null).

Chkflip takes AlexK's old slot.

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15. Chkflip <--Replaced Elmo (null-but-townlean), who replaced Yourheroeshero (no posts).

Those are the relevant replacements.

kondi replaced elmo

chkflip replaced Alex

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Could you tell us why you think Andy is a miller? Where were you at the end of day 2?

I don't want to talk about it until my question to him is first answered.

End of D2? I was busy over Easter. I apologise greatly and recognise it has hurt my read but there is little I can do about it now and accept it as fair.

(more later tonight)

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[quote="In

Okay. One thing first. This needs getting off of my chest.

Andy, are you a Miller?

Nope. VT[/quote]

I didn't ask fro a fullclaim >_>

so there's absolutely no reason why you'd investigate to get a guilty?

Don't care about apologies. Post something.

what else do you want to know?

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Also why did you ask andy if he was a miller?

All in due time~ (and in all honesty not too long. Probably my next couple of posts when I can bring it in.)

Analysis? I'll iso a few people and put up some reads tonight. Or at least i'll start it tonight. If it snowballs then it might be tomorrow

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So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here

Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it

@mod: OP needs updating

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So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here

Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it

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Why andy?

why not?

It really didn't matter who, I just wanted to try out an old gambit I'd seen before and never got around to using.

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@Twisted Spoon, well surely some part of you must have felt that Andy was scummy otherwise there would be no point to the gambit. So why did you choose Andy?

I guess he was just one of my more null reads and I wanted more info on them

If they were obvscum why waste a gambit on them and as obvtown the idea would be pointless again

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I agree with Bl somewhat (though I still find pine rather townish)

I wish I knew why Kondi think chkflip is 'definately town'

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TwistedSpoon:
What do you think about Andy flipping Miller?

well what do you think about it?

I view it as an amusing coincidence. He's certainly brave that he claimed vt though or perhaps he forgot his role or maybe he even realised had he claimed miller at that point it would've made his lynch inevitable and he could only hope it was a gambit.
Who knows.

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For the record, I think that Oversoul is town but I want to respond to his case to clarify and respond to his questions.

oversoul already flipped dude

TwistedSpoon:
What do you think about Andy flipping Miller?

What's the purpose of this question?

did you miss my gambit or something?

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I literally disagree with BB >_>

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Oh, thanks for telling me the day has started this time

So frustrating to check back on this game and see I'd missed a whole cycle u_u

anyways thoughts to come presently

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the main things I notice are that

Pine is almost conf. town after BB interactions and everything else
PM death incriminates Knox
BB actually wasn't a traitor =p

@neighbours: what did you discuss in your qt last night?

I'm unsure if it's Knox/spitz or BL.

It is now Day 6, with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

OP being updated.

hmm

are there not 5 alive?

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Truthfully with 5 alive ruling out Mastin as somewhat obvious town and Pine and I as Neighbors who should be Masons it leaves Twistedspoon and Knox replacement.

forgive me if I fail to recall this, but why are you masons now?

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gotcha

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hmm

I can buy that PM bodyguarded no-one. I always thought optimum bodyguard play was to never bodyguard; but I've never had the role myself.

Tracker cop is an awkward setup though. However the delay in result communication could be a genuine error. The reasons for tracking PM seem good too.

I actually want to believe this

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Hey Mastin. why did scum kill BL over Pine in the neighbour group do you think?

Who originally suggested a Palisade voting bloc?

Mastin

I don't believe in voting blocs anyways. In retrospect it was a good idea for me to have declined that invitation

Leaning towards Mastin, but he was one of the strongest to call out BB, and Mastin's been bussing a lot less lately. Need to read TS, but can't until this evening.

what do you mean he's been bussing less recently? Is he perhaps aware of this possible meta

If we're going to discuss meta though it's also Mastin's meta to hardly ever live to Lylo as town =p

It's now Day 8, with 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

don'tcha mean 3 alive mod?

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I also found Pine's vote on spit a lot more town from my view than Mastin's. I wasn't on the wagon though. Interesting that BL was killed over me after that

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mhmm

can I start a popcorn massclaim?

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well I just volunteered to claim but w/e

I'm indifferent to which of us claims first. This game is so weird anyways. After tracker + cop I could believe anything =_=

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oh my gawsh mastin

What are you glubbing about. You've been ambiguous the whole game and you're keeping it up now? You can't come out on the final day and say "I knew it all along." That makes no sense, even for you. You tell me why it all happened and why you're leaving it until Lylo before you're giving anything because I'm sick of blindly listening to you. Look at where that's got us. And you don't even have the nerve to declare your scumread read now. Your post couldn't be more a mafiosi tell if you tried.

I mean if you knew there was scum in the palisade bloc as you say when did you lynch our tracker yesterday? >_>

This game hasn't been the most fun and I'm tired of all you've put me through in it.

Claim now and then tell my how you knew BL would die tonight, along with the connection between the NKs you so desparately want to analyse. Lylo isn't a good day to open this can of Wifom on us now

Ugh. You have the Panache of Holmes and the mindset of Watson.

I wrote all that before your above

two

three posts. Darn ninjas. It didn't seem right for me to keep a rant about your ambiguities when you made a post explaining your thoughts immediately after ^^"

anyways you still need to claim for us. Whilst your NK analysis is surprisingly logical about myself being the prime myslynch and the PM NK almost resigning myself to a myslynch through the town statuses of both of yourselves (although we now now that one of you is scum ) I'd like first thing to be first. We both need to claim at this point.

Would scumMastin have set up a TS-BL-Mastin Lylo? I would have imagined so, but Mastin never saw Pine as town at the start of the game as I did, whilst I was never able to understand BL town myself. I always have and forever will find BL hard to read. If Pine is scum then he's played this game in a very swashbuckling manner since his D1 gambit to lynch himself after BL he was once so sure of her scum alighment... which we now know not to be the case.
Either way one of you two made the mistake in allowing the other to reach Lylo in an attempt to myslynch me against two seemingly-solid 'townies'. Gawsh it's so obvious now why PM was killed. The only question is which one of you did it. Does the order of the Nacho/oversoul kills really matter though? At the pace the game was going at perhaps not.... other than that Mastin puts up a surprisingly easy to understand thought process. I really wasn't expecting that but it has certainly made me reconsider.

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I bold stuff all the time, amigo.

Am I the third mafiosi?

No-one can really comment on BB yet. He's right to be confused. He read zilch of the game beforehand. I think a townie would be just as paranoid at having zero information

This, however, is borderline scumslip from TS. Three scum is almost certainly the number which was in the QT. And he opens with a defense of BBMolla. But on the other hand...

Let it be, BB. If he truly believes you to be scum you'll hardly be able to convince him now will you?

...This is a little too blatant to be typical scum interactions. Rather, it reads as someone who is talking to someone they believe to be town.

Just want to say that in context it isn't a scumslip at all. The person I was replying too was asserting that BB was mafiosi at that point and I was offering the other side to the argument "I think a townie would..."

weird how in retrospect I was defending the new Rep BB at one point though. I only seem to recall the parts where I was trying to lynch him.

[Twistedspoon]

For the record--I'm getting paranoid about TS. He's been hanging around the forum, as if he's waiting for me to cast a vote, so that he can finish it off.

I'm waiting for pine and his views. I'm happy to comment on your thoughts where you want them, but I'd rather wait until your thought stream is out before i interrupt anymore

I see your case on pine but... I don't want to judge until i hear his responses himself. It's he who needs to speak right now I feel.

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Mastin

you should really read Mastin's posts Pine. I love them to pieces. I mean then again you'd probably hate them. But I love them.

I knew It was a good idea to keep you both to Lylo. You're the best <3

(If It's any consolation I'd have felt slightly better about hammering pine with you after all the work you put into today, Mastin ^^)

Hey Emerl!

oh yeah before I forget: http://quicktopic.com/47/H/M3BEbw5FfGzg

Is there a dead qt? I'll enjoy reading that ^^

[Twistedspoon]

ftr, Mastin you had me thinking Pine was actually scum and myself town at one point. It's that good

This is also important from TS.

In fact, it's VERY important.

TS tells chkflip to abandon Lowell (town), and pursue his own scumreads (BBMolla), even if TS disagrees with them. If that's a bus, it's done in the most roundabout clever way possible, and quite frankly, could be the deciding factor alone by itself.

I remember this part. I loved how well I tried to put myself into a townie mindset. Scum just doesn't come naturally to me anymore (except for teh lurking u_u )

when I bus I don't do it for credit
I do it to discredit

that way they can't been seen as a bus and only therefore become a sort of reverse psychology bus.
weird huh?

[Twistedspoon]

it was really about who I brought to Lylo

Pine was pretty sure I was town and from meta I can never win against BL. Plus i needed the wifom aspect to incriminate pine, as he'd lived so long as an obvtown (to me) and had BL be NK'd before him. I'd set it up to have pine's survival prey on Mastin's paranoia whilst also making mastin seem suspect in allowing him to live so long as I killed PM instead (who to be fair was rather suspicious of me).
I think killing McQueen and the others early on also set up pine well too, but as long as I continued to proclaim how townie I found him I didn't have to worry about his own survival

modkills are never fun but I felt they were perhaps necessary to provide momentum. The game was going nowhere. I support the mod's decision really.

[Twistedspoon]

A 3:1 tradeoff isn't a bad tradeoff at all though for town in terms of modkills but I digress

[Twistedspoon]

Wish I had pushed a lynch on, knew stating you as town due to the paliside hydra was wrong .

you never find me town which is why I had to kill you

also to set up the wifom-tastic palisade showdown.

Whenever I play with you you're always somewhat suspect but somehow avoid my pushes and the lynch. You make it very infuriating for the mafia ^^"

Well played, Twisted. Out of curiosity, why was I nightkilled?

In all honesty I couldn't see why everyone found you so scummy. You from the start were incredibly townie and I was a very happy mafiosi in the old thread when you thought I was town
When the old thread died and sorta realised "well there go my most townie posts" and that wasn't great to my confidence. I began lurking a little and your reads on me began to change and I became scummier by the minute in your eyes. As long as you lived you were a threat to me and I could only coast off my reputation from the prior thread for so long. You suspected me certainly more than any of the others and you were curning out the most analysis.
Plus if I were to have any chance at a win I'd have to churn out the mindgames and keep the neighbours and Mastin going for as long as possible.

The NKs were the strings of wifom

Out of curiosity, why was I nightkilled?

I'd like that question answered too.

I wasn't playing a very strong game.

Because whenever I play with you overtoast you
1) Never find me town (as I say right at the start of the qt. lol). I remember having a bad time on my part from speed mafia =s
2) Never seem to get lynched

Furthermore everyone else had a town read on me (which is why I killed you before nacho and only dispatched of nacho when his townread on me began to falter. You remained as indifferent to me and as solid a player as ever)

also BB kinda told me to have you killed as you'll see in the dead qt