NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

[kondi2424]

What up, I'm posting here to put this in my egosearch. I don't have time to make a serious post right now, but;

@mastin: Were you mafia in that Flash Mafia game?

[kondi2424]

Nope, Myko cancelled both of his games.

[kondi2424]

sorry hasdfgas. I fear this all must give you a terrible lot of work.

mykonian's mini theme was on for a little over 2 weeks, had seen flips, and won't continue or restart.

I'm assuming that this was talking about Flash Mafia.

I'll also forward you the PM myko sent me.

[kondi2424]

Oh, and it's in myko's signature.

[kondi2424]

I'm gonna use that as an excuse to call myself mod-townslipped. Mafia may need to know who their new partner is.

[kondi2424]

Sure VOTE: Lowell

[kondi2424]

So Sly, you counterclaim DG?

[kondi2424]

Sly/mcqueen

[kondi2424]

Self-mata

[kondi2424]

Because a Lowell lynch is okay.

[kondi2424]

That nasty GF tell.

[kondi2424]

VOTE: Sly

[kondi2424]

Why?

[kondi2424]

lolno VOTE: Lowell

We've got about two days, guys. Unless there's a

very

compelling case on someone by the end of today, we're doing this.

[kondi2424]

That's 100% shit.

And you still didn't vote for Lowell in that post.

[kondi2424]

That's some shady stuff, Pizza.

[kondi2424]

I think he would have claimed by now, were he not VT/mafia.

[kondi2424]

LOLOL

You're saying his playing different in a Newbie game makes him scum?

Vote Sly

[kondi2424]

Actually, VOTE: Pine, because HIS reasoning for BB attacking is crap. Specifically here:

^Priceless.

"BL wasn't covering for me!" "Here are two things that BL said which are perfect for my defense..."

[kondi2424]

BL trying to cover for his mate just makes it clearer.

What BL said is not "covering for me,"

it's completely true and what I've been saying

.

From what I read, it was because this isn't his town play, but

no one yet to explain the difference between his town and scum play.

This is a

fact

.

BB wasn't here when the other thread was up,

so what is scummy about asking Nacho to explain his town read on Pine?

This is a

fact

.

He's saying they're facts and just repeating what he's been saying, not covering.

How did you know I was still hooked on those? Have you been stealing from my stash?

[kondi2424]

Actually, I agree with that. UNVOTE:

Who are you guys trying to lynch?

[kondi2424]

[kondi2424]

I was trying to tell him he's wrong. I've said "Vote Sly" and the like many times now.

[kondi2424]

Wait, I'm counting like this is a Mini.

Townslip?

[kondi2424]

Hey mcqueen Pine townslipped fuck off

[kondi2424]

What the fuck is that, Overtoast?

Are you saying that isn't a legitimate townslip? If so, why not?

[kondi2424]

So was it obvious before I pointed it out?

[kondi2424]

Also,

@Mod: Replacing out due to problems with a player.

[kondi2424]

It's not you, mcqueen.

[kondi2424]

If you need to know, it was because of Pine.

[kondi2424]

You can stop gaming the system now. I'm going to stop posting, because it was an ongoing game.

By the way guys mcqueen is probably scum

[kondi2424]

T-Bone, I replaced out. I know you love me, but I won't come back to a prod.

[kondi2424]

I guess I'll keep playing in this game.

Let me read up.

[kondi2424]

Alright, reading time.

[kondi2424]

Alright, so these are just going to be random notes as I'm reading through the game.

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Day 1

- First, I want to get this straight. The neighbors are Pine, Kise, and Bunnylover, correct?

- TS's response in #30 to BB's #29 makes me feel like they couldn't be partners.

- Seeing that multiple people are saying that chkflip is playing to his town meta, I'm going to put him as town for now. I didn't like his side of the argument with BB, though. Or his reasoning for voting Damon.

- Who replaced Alex? Because they're town. Reasoning being that the Mod refused to put their (and my) replacement on the OP, when that could be useful information for a scumbuddy.

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@mastin:

Why haven't you gotten a read on Bunnylover yet?

- I *really* don't like Sly supporting the lynch of the claimed Cop Day 1 and not specifically stating whether or not he was counterclaiming him. Especially when you see that Damon was town.

- TS's reaction to the Cop claim in #139 feels very town. The fact that this has happened with TS before strengthens that read.

-mcqueen's reaction to the Cop claim is also bad, but not to the degree of Sly's due to it being mcqueen. On the other hand, I'm not sure mcqueen would push that hard on Damon if he knew Damon was town.

- mcqueen's self-meta puts a damper on his town read from the above point.

- chk's #164 is very terrible.

- Also noting that I will likely not believe any Doctor/Bodyguard/that type of role that claims in this game, as they were not on the Cop.

- Something about Andycyca's #177 REALLY irks me. He told chkflip that he might be wrong in his vote on Damon, but he said differently of Sly. Still, there's something else about this post.

- Kise caught the same thing I did. Town points for him.

- Sly's post about "if we keep DG around" in #192 is only written in a "DG is Town" perspective, which is bad. Very bad. Plus asking to get investigated is always a bad go.

- mcqueen's #203 is very town-like.

- Overtoast, in #204, missed the part where Sly blatantly said he wasn't claiming Cop. The fact that he believed there were two Cops claiming puts him as a good candidate for a partner of Sly. His next post goes with that theory.

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@Mod:

Is the final votecount correct? Specifically the number of people voting Andy?

Day 2

- I really like Nacho's attack on BB.

- BB's posts on Page 11 really give me absolutely no tell, which is a problem.

- mastin's defense of BB in #265 alarms me, as the only person I see on the wagon that gives me anything close to a scum read is Overtoast. And his vote looked like it could be a bus.

- Overtoast's #280 unvote seems like really coincidental timing.

- mcqueen's #329/330 make him even more obv. town.

- Pine townslipped in #354.

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So if I had to say who was scum right now, it would be Sly, Overtoast, BB, Andy, and either mastin or Bunnylover. One of these could drop off depending on how many scum we have. I'm really feeling the Sly-Overtoast-BB team, though.

People that are, without a shadow of a doubt, town

mcqueen
Pine
Whoever replaced Alex

VOTE: BBMolla

[kondi2424]

I don't know. It's obvious the Pine and Bunnylover are, but it looked like Kise was too.

Your second quote is messed up.

You have a point on the third quote. Two of the people who said it I don't particularly trust, but Kise said it as well, so I think I can trust it.

What's a normal number of scum in a Large Normal? I've only played a few, so I don't know.

[kondi2424]

[kondi2424]

My conclusion on you being scum was mostly Nacho's case, along with you being absolutely null to me. Where did I say stuff you did was town?

[kondi2424]

Can I give thoughts on what's happened since I last posted first? I'll be able to tonight.

[kondi2424]

You suck. I have to go to church, and I'll be back in about 3 hours.

[kondi2424]

Someone who goes to church on Wednesday nights and lives in CST.

[kondi2424]

No time. VOTE: BL

[kondi2424]

VOTE: SlySly

[kondi2424]

A Town Cop

and

a Town Rolecop? I don't like the chances of that. Combined with my scumread on Sly, I'm pretty sure this is a fake.

I'm reading up now.

[kondi2424]

This is what I was typing up when the thread locked down.

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Hey mastin, can you answer the question I asked you in my reads post?

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- I don't like BB's attempt to discredit my suspicion of him and then not going further into convincing me my reasoning was wrong. Not sure if it's a town move or a scum move, but it looks fishy.

- Nacho's #476 actually gives Bunny a few town points for me. I think she would have expected that kind of action if she were scum planning this, with players like Nacho and mastin who catch details like that.

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Alright, so these are just going to be random notes as I'm reading through the game.

(...)

- Something about Andycyca's #177 REALLY irks me. He told chkflip that he might be wrong in his vote on Damon, but he said differently of Sly. Still, there's something else about this post.

(...)

So if I had to say who was scum right now, it would be Sly, Overtoast, BB, Andy, and either mastin or Bunnylover. One of these could drop off depending on how many scum we have. I'm really feeling the Sly-Overtoast-BB team, though.

About #177: I didn't "told" chkflip anything, i asked him three questions: 1) whether he thought that both Lowell *and* DG were scum, 2) If his vote change from Lowell to DG was based merely on Damon's claim and/or if it was fueled by other unshared thoughts, and 3) whether he had pondered the consequences of lynching DG if his claim was correct. He told me to reread him, claiming all those answers had already been given.

On the other hand, I stated that I was also concerned with Damon's claim and that I didn't want him lynched D1

On the other other (3rd?) hand, why does this have any relevance today?

First point: My annoyance was specifically with the third question. You asked him to consider that Damon might be town, but you

didn't

ask of Sly the same.

Second point: Okay

Third point: As I had said at the top of the post, I was pointing out what I saw as I read through the game.

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@knox:

My reasoning was that, if the replaced player was scum, their scumbuddies wouldn't know which of us were their buddy (me or chkflip, as I have found). Thus we are both town.

- mastin in #515 feels town for unexplainable reasons.

- Overtoast mentioning that he was done with the bloc is towny, because there would be no point to it if scum.

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After I noticed the thread was locked down

- Sly's #566 being willing to hammer but not voting makes me think Bunny is town.

- Kise continues to be town for having similar reads.

[kondi2424]

@T-Bone: Can you fix the line tags in the above post? Thanks.

[kondi2424]

@mastin: No, you are not confirmed by that. Sly was a Traitor, so he might not have known the scumteam.

[kondi2424]

Hey mastin, can you answer the question I asked you in my reads post?

Which question was that?

It was why you hadn't been able to develop a read on Bunnylover yet.

@mastin: No, you are not confirmed by that. Sly was a Traitor, so he might not have known the scumteam.

He rolecopped me, and said what my role was in-thread. Telling the scum exactly what I am. The only way that wouldn't confirm me as town is if I were scum, who didn't know who he was, and he also didn't know the scumteam, so investigated me, and lied about the result to help tell me, "DUDE, I'M ON YOUR SIDE!" Basically, the only way I'm not confirmed town is if BOTH the scum AND the traitor were unaware of each other. The traitor role can be done any number of ways (both know each other, neither know each other, scum knows traitor, traitor knows scum; usually, which is which depends on whether the scum can recruit the traitor by nightkilling them), but that's the only way it'd not confirm me as town. Because if I knew him as scum, and he didn't know me, then him telling me woulda been unnecessary, as I'd already know. If he knew me, then he wouldn't have investigated me--and there's no hints he investigated anyone other than me, as far as I can tell.

Tl;dr, there's pretty much only one scenario where I'm possibly scum, and it's an uncommon variation on the role which isn't used often, making me pretty close to confirmed town. Hence why I'm dissatisfied that I'm still alive*.

It doesn't matter if he knew the scumteam or not. He was still saying his result to them. And honestly, it doesn't matter if the scumteam knew him or not, either, as regardless of the circumstances, he had at least one scum on his wagon, two if they didn't know him.


*Speaking of which, I need to check mcqueen's reads. He was largely seen as a townread, yes, but I need to see if he was killed for being a townread unlikely to be protected, if he was killed PR-hunting, if he was killed for his scumhunting, or some combination of the above. He's dead for a reason, though.

Regardless of if Sly knew/was known by the Mafia, he could say whatever he wanted. Argument invalid. I'm not exactly saying I think you're scum, I'm just saying you're not confirmed town by any sense.

Live mutual scumhunting is always better than doing it separately.

Right now,
Kise
BL
Pine
Andy
you

are all CONFIRMED TOWN AND SHOULD NEVER BE LYNCHED EVER.
anyone else?

Could you please explain the BL and Andy town?

SlySly - 8(Knox, [peoplelistedastown], Kondi, BBmolla)

So if Knox being the first and only scum on the wagon feels awkward, and you don't think Kondi's worth pushing, does that mean you think that BBMolla's scum, Nacho?

no, that's not right.
bbmolla is not scum.
kondi is scum, and i made a mistake.

No time. VOTE: BL

This is his response to your Sly vote.

First thing's first; why do you feel BB-town?
Second, that was at less than a day until deadline with Sly having three votes and Bunny having six. That really didn't seem like enough time, and the Sly wagon happened pretty fast. Looking in context, is the move really that damning?
Third, that is assuming that I, as Mafia, knew Sly was a Traitor and tried to save him when I had been pushing on him earlier. We don't know if the Mafia knew about Sly. Are Traitors usually outed to their Mafia group?


For right now, I'm going to VOTE: BBMolla as the scummiest on Sly's wagon. I'll also look further into Bunnylover, knox, and mastin, who were the people on the wagon I feel null on.

[kondi2424]

@Mod: I'm going to have to ask for replacement. My parents are setting MAJOR limitations on my time, and I only have time to be in one game at a time. Sorry for the inconvenience.

If it helps, Overtoast, BB and Andy are my top suspects, with projectmatt, knox, and mastin being minor suspects. Pine and chkflip are DEFINITELY town.