Mini 1337 - Elite Mafia (Game Over)

[Thomith]

1- what allignment do you prefer playing as, town or scum?

scum for sure, i like being evil and i prefer being the uninformed minority, of course that doesn't mean i don't try as town .

2- how many games have you played before this one?

this is something like my 15th game, i lost count

3- what is your timezone and how many times a day can we expect you to be posting?

my timezone is the UK one (no clue if it is GMT or BST i get confused between the two... 19:31 as of the time posting so...) and i will try to post at least once a day, if not more.

my answers are bolded
discuss.

also VOTE: UnnoficialRulerofEveryone and that is hopefully the last time i type out your entire name ever again.

[Thomith]

1- what allignment do you prefer playing as, town or scum?

scum for sure, i like being evil and i prefer being the informed minority, of course that doesn't mean i don't try as town .

2- how many games have you played before this one?

this is something like my 15th game, i lost count

3- what is your timezone and how many times a day can we expect you to be posting?

my timezone is the UK one (no clue if it is GMT or BST i get confused between the two... 19:31 as of the time posting so...) and i will try to post at least once a day, if not more.

my answers are bolded
discuss.

also VOTE: UnnoficialRulerofEveryone and that is hopefully the last time i type out your entire name ever again.

edited answer to first question, i always mess that up >.>...

[Thomith]

ok DTM, i will take that on board for the next time i do RVS, also Milk it is generating discussion right? Scared of it? What don't you like about it? No other content?

[Thomith]

milk it wasn't RVS, you had a reason outside the not that much game related RVS votes so it wasn't a random vote, i find this weird but not enough for a vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bork
i like coffee's meta reasoning, so i am showing that i support it.

[Thomith]

i think coffee's meta arguement is good, so i voted as i find bork scummy because of it, aren't you meant to vote people you find scummy? (hint: answer is yes)

[Thomith]

they are being cautious maybe? i don't know if that is a scum/town tell though, as both can be cautious.

[Thomith]

right now you should vote the person you find scummiest, however not doing so isn't really a scumtell, that mistake was made in another game i was in by town.

[Thomith]

coffee why didnt you vote bork in your explanation, too cautious? too scared you could slip scum from it? why have you ignored the discussion on it?

Milk if you don't view me as scum why is your vote still on me?

i like the meta arguement because it would make sense for scum to be cautious of people who know their meta, as they are more likely to catch them.

[Thomith]

if you read coffees post then it explains it, yes it is RVS, but the meaning is still there, however as it was RVS i am going to
UNVOTE:
for now.

[Thomith]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21865 - most recent game as town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21527 - most recent game as scum

(for seacore)

[Thomith]

I don't see why you'd place your first vote on someone who would be the most familiar with your townie playstyle, is all. From my experience, first time scum are likely to vote for someone who may notice any changes in their meta.

[Thomith]

i didn't say that my vote was RVS related because it wasn't i was saying that borks vote was RVS so it probably means little.

[Thomith]

i still find it scummy, but reading others points about how it was an RVS vote changed my mind, also i forgot about your other question so didn't answer it:

i say things when i think of them, and only thought of it when others brought it up, also i missed where he explained it, which i will admit to.

[Thomith]

i tend to be tentative early game unless i find something worth an attack, which i really haven't yet.

Tech i think i am being meta'd on the examples i have given, but that is only one example of both plays, so imo it isn't really enough to form a read on.

[Thomith]

it depends, i find the way bork worded it weird, but as i have been told it is next to nothing, give me some time to answer your other points in a quick re-read

[Thomith]

from a theory perspective DTM and Tech could be town vs town as scum might not try that hard to defend themselves, however the extent they have been going on at each other and the fact they could be easy lynched if scum if they left it makes me think it could be otherwise, however i want to hear more before making a decision.

i agree that the way tech has been attacking dtm it looks like it is because of a possible dtm/roflcopter connection, and in that last post saying there is "neighbouring" going on seems weird, as i don't see
a- why they used neighbouring in that context
b- how they can make up definite reads on

possible

connections.

[Thomith]

well trying then, as theory wise i am not sure town v scum or scum v scum would go out that hard on each other, as i would think scum would try not to be noticed so they wouldnt try to get the arguement more fueled.
also why did you say things that weren't serious and weren't obviously a joke?

[Thomith]

i would also be happy with a thomith vote here, but i think techno is more likely to hit scum.

ummm.... what?

[Thomith]

VOTE: roflcopter
did i just read a scumslip?

[Thomith]

read the quote i quoted, it seems extremely off to me.

[Thomith]

i would also be happy with a thomith vote here,

but i think techno is more likely to hit scum

.

ummm.... what?

but i think techno is

more likely to hit scum

[Thomith]

i just don't see town motivation behind that, and seems like a slip of words.

[Thomith]

why would town vote someone because they would be

more likely to hit scum

it seems like a scumslip to me.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
i guess i misinterperated it, i thought hit scum meant vote scum, but i guess you meant flip scum.
tech, you say it was not serious, so why are you argueing it so hard and trying to back it up, surely if it wasn't serious you would just repeat that it wasn't serious and that would be that right?
tech do you find alliances/voting blocs scummy?

[Thomith]

if that is the case, how many likely scum do you think are in this alliance? (@tech)

[Thomith]

had me thinking you might be scum,

surely everyone "might be scum" so how does this change his situation to anyone elses?

also if done right alliances can be very bad for scum, however this may be a little early but it still could be a threat, i have nothing against them if they are done right with people that genuinly are probtown after a long period of time.

[Thomith]

top 2 scumreads:
roflcopter - for what i thought was a slip but was told by a few players i was wrong, however i still find it iffy
tech - some of the things he says just seems waaay off, and i don't like the way he dismisses some things he gets questions about as "sarcasm"

@seacore, but i dont like that logic, if you have a lot of iffy people on a wagon doesn't it make you think you could be making a wrong move?

[Thomith]

it still seems iffy, even if i agreed i was just reading it wrong, but it is still in my mind, also it isnt because you accused them of being "scum neighbours" because you didn't but i dont see how linking neighbours and then when questioned saying it was sarcasm helps us.

[Thomith]

but i dont see anywhere that DT assumed anything, please give an example.

[Thomith]

so neighbours relate to his linking how?

[Thomith]

im a little confused by that, how so?

[Thomith]

i guess, however a scumteam is different as they want to kill the town, and neighbours are trying to help and don't know each others allignment so tells for both teams are very different, as are both teams

[Thomith]

although, calling scumteams without a flip is still bad, but the way DT pushes his main scumread and not the secondary one without the flip doesn't make it scummy.

[Thomith]

what i find weird is how sensfan purked up when he started getting suspected for posting little content, and for some reason i am not buying the "oh my post got deleted" post, as i think you would have realised WAY before now, i am showing intent to hammer.

[Thomith]

lolno. i am not hammering without a claim which i why i showed intent, also you are not really explaining yourself and have only started to after you have been called out on it.

[Thomith]

I don't like the way Uber pretty much threatened techno in they question.
a- the question is a dumb question anyway, i wonder what people would answer...
b- the threat just seems bleh, as if scum put that there to try and get the "truth" out of people.

also ninja, i took around a 5/6 month break from mafia, so i am rusty, but i think i am at least getting better.
Ice can you explain why you think DTM is bussing, "he is bussing" doesn't cut it for me.
Ice is not explaining anything, i am doing research and seeing if this is their general play or not then getting back to you, this will be coming today/tommurrow

[Thomith]

ok with as few posts ice has it is too early to tell meta wise, however IGMEOY ice.

[Thomith]

Ice it is not a copy paste error when you attack people for something not being there when you just haven't quoted it, so right now you calling "OH CP ERROR GUIZ" is bullshit.

Humble was that a hammer? if not i guess i will hammer, as if he is the only accepted lynch today then there is no point continuing the day like seacore stated.

[Thomith]

i have shown intent to hammer which gives an indication, the fact he purked up when questioned seems weird and his lengthy posts under pressure seem like trying too late if that makes sence, however that is more of a null tell i guess.

[Thomith]

i would at least want to wait to see what he claims and go from there.

[Thomith]

if sens flips town MASSIVE fos on rofl for that hammer, ending discussion suddenly is just bleh to me.

[Thomith]

I said i wanted to give a last chance to claim and then rofl comes in and hammers out of the blue, this feels weird to me.

[Thomith]

#437 looks like scum covering their ass when their wagon flips town, dont see the point in stating that UN, care to explain?

Arugula, how would scum know that?

[Thomith]

on Day 2 elmo? yeahno.

[Thomith]

Uber, surely we should be looking for people who are scum, not people who will "screw us over in mylo"
VOTE: rofl
why the quickhammer?

[Thomith]

ice is probably my second or third scum read, their drifting around attitude of sometimes content sometimes not seems weird, their meta suggests this is how they play as town however i have only read town games so i dont know how they play as scum.

absta is bleh, and i need to keep an eye on the wagon to get a final read.

[Thomith]

ok looking back i see why letting the day go on would have been a bad thing, but i dont see a problem of giving a final chance to claim, however ice, did you every give a solid reason as to why sens was town, i missed it if you did.

[Thomith]

I don't see how it would help scum if they knew how much X was.
Pretty much you claimed X = low (1-2, maybe 1-3) for not watching N1 but whatever.

Uber - do you usually give opinions based on join dates, you have done it twice now, once with me when i have been playing for about half my join date and now with poirot who also took a break, looking for easy reasons?

[Thomith]

I dont remember any of those 300 posts when you explained your townread on sens.

[Thomith]

Jailkeepers aren't all that uncommon, and that has a roleblock side affect, so i'm not sure, i agree it could be a slip, however i dont like the fact that that is your only reason i have seen for absta.

[Thomith]

By RB I mean jail keeper. I assumed they were the same thing.

convenient how i mentioned this the POST BEFORE you said this huh?

[Thomith]

oh you played a newibe, so to me it is utter bullshit that you didn't know a roleblocker and a jailkeeper were different.
how many votes does this guy have?

[Thomith]

431 totally looks like you meant jailkeeper, jailkeeper has a protection side-affect, or did you "forget" that?

[Thomith]

UNVOTE: VOTE: absta

[Thomith]

what are you talking about?

[Thomith]

Iceguy is a better lynch than me,

even if I am scum.

Which i'm not.

why say the bolded? did you just claim scum?

oh my god did you guys seriously hammer ice?
absta uses the JK thing right after i bring it up, he made that scummy o' scumville post above, and goes "OMG GUYS IM NOT SCUM WTH YOU TALKIN BOUT??????"
and you hammered ice.
...
...
...
wow.

[Thomith]

umm... what just happened?

Anyone else for setup speculation?

Elmo explain this, also explain why you jumped on the absta wagon without any reasoning and the fact how you seemingly just ignored iceguy.
VOTE: Elmo

[Thomith]

I swear you only said one thing about iceguy, and that was to lynch him tommurrow, never saw that you believed him.

[Thomith]

ice never claimed 1-shot, why line up the lynch then just ignore someone who you wanted lynched tommurrow completely, you said one thing about him since you replaced in and thats it, ignoring your buddy?

[Thomith]

Sorry he claimed x-shot my mistake

i dont understand how you made this mistake, X-shot does not infur 1-shot at all, where did you get this?

[Thomith]

Junpei, how do you know the hider mis-hid and didn't hide behind a night-kill?

[Thomith]

same i guess, i am willing to go along with it, so long as we take a very close look and elmo tommurrow.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DTM

bad feeling this is a bus but... eh.

[Thomith]

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.

Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it. In that way, Hider is similar to a Cop.

While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills.

Hider is commonly, but not always, given the X-Shot modifier.

This role is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, but see Variations below.

so they are immune to any action when it hides, if its target dies, it dies too, any other action on the target the hider chooses happens to the hider too, if they visit scum, they die and can't be protected, so if this breadcrumb is true then DTM is scum.

[Thomith]

Alright but let's not forget that 2 kills happened last night so we either have 2 mafia factions or a mafia and an SK so... let's get a good amount of discussion in before two (three, including the lynch) more people die.

Ciao, I'll bbl but this is my quick post for now.

or it was a vig?

[Thomith]

My problem is though how do you know he didn't hide behind someone who died. IE: Not absta.

Either way

VOTE: UN

the hider said they were going to take a closer look on absta d1.
they then did a u-turn and said absta was derptown.

the hider then said they were going to take a closer look on DTM.

this is probably a breadcrumb to their actions.

[Thomith]

how is this setup speculation when there is a likely breadcrumb?

[Thomith]

if you were aiming that at UN why did you do it in the same paragraph you were adressing junpei in?

[Thomith]

but junpei isnt setup speculating? it looked like you were saying he is the one setup speculating.

[Thomith]

ummm... what?

[Thomith]

i was asking why you asked that seemingly random question, it really had little to do with setup speculation.

[Thomith]

dt is caught scum, thomith is the third scum gg

vote: dt

care to explain why i am scum and why i am scum with dt?

[Thomith]

ummmmmmmm... whut?
I think scum DT just hammered himself as i dont see town DT doing that unless i am mistaken.

[Thomith]

DT if you are town that wasnt the best play as we still wanted to discuss, yes we were going to lynch you anyway most likely but we were no way done with discussion.

meh lynch me tommurrow then rofl, as it was genuine anger as i prefered absta over ice, yes it looks scummy because of flips but i will flip town and you will be dissapointed.

in fact vigif you are there vig me and when i flip view rofl with high suspicion.

[Thomith]

let me read the case over and reply to it, if it isnt done today, then it will be done tommurrow if i am alive.

[Thomith]

ok, i dont vote unless i am sure, same with hammering, d1 i wanted to be sure people had ended discussion and didnt want to premptive hammer, and i didn't vote yesturday because i was conflicted between absta/ice, absta because they were scummy and ice because of the secretive claim.

Vig can kill me or even town can lynch me, but this is not my scumplay, if you look at my scumgames you will see that, but i doubt anyone will bother.

p-edit: can there even be CPRs in normals?

[Thomith]

ok, out of everyone alive i want a elmo lynch first, as i believe they are most likely final scum, as their play seems weird being hardly explaining anything and not really pushing reads much with constant one or two liners, plus not really explaining much in way of reads imo.
VOTE: elmo

[Thomith]

first off poirot i dont like the fact where you say i posted elsewhere when i posted here pretty much at the same time where i posted in my other games going on, its not like i was ingoring this game.

I think i am more likely town than elmo because i am actually trying to explain my posts where i feel that elmo is just posting to look like he is active when i feel he explains a fair bit less than i do.

but whatever i know i am the lynch today, as the clear is leading it the mafia will almost definately jump on so really may as well end the day here, but if you read games such as bedtime stories for example you would see i am town, but i doubt anyone will bother.

[Thomith]

i misread that post then.

and honestly if a post looks long i wait until i have done anything else i need to before reading it, and for the setup speculation thing, i dont see how it helps us, as all you have done is show us what it could mean about who is already dead, unless i am missing something.

also rofl, i did respond to more of your case and dont see what i havent even spoken about, so i have fucking responded to your case so dont say bullshit and make out i havent tried to respond to it.

right now elmo is my main scumread, which i believe is likely to be right so right now everyone else seems town by POE and if elmo flips town i will decide from there.

[Thomith]

i am willing to be lynched for elmos death yes, you seem like you are explaining yourself and your posts seem too wally too often for you to be scum imo, UN is only really town because i think elmo is scum, and i honestly forgot arugula was in this game.

[Thomith]

I am trying hard to push you because i think you are scum, how is this scummy again?