New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

[inte]

Post 1837 - ok bro there were like 600 posts and shit dicks of empty promises that weren't followed through

you're telling me i can't change my read when someone turns scummy?

at this point i'd be down to lynch d3f3nd3r cause i hated kariyuu's play

i've noticed that there's always two basically competing counterwagons for each lynch. some real wagon analysis is in order

hows psyche not been lynched by the time at [post=1876]/[post] fucking sense of self-preservation is a huge scumtell

okay after that i skimmed

red flip. pretty swaggin so that leaves like 1 blue and 2 red right

@UberNinja

why would you assume that there are more (now confirmed) red than blue? In a nightless (with only goon/VT flips so far) it would seem more logical to have even amount

pedit: @Pine bro i was getting bad vibes from Kariyuu the whole fucking time, y'all just didn't let me hammer of justice the punk

[crypto]

welp all reservations about pine-town just evaporated

[inte]

okay i've realized that i've basically seen a disappearing act from noraa and matias has still done nothing

[Pine]

Quick analysis of associations from Blonde Doctor's posts:

Matias is NOT redscum, given BD's serious attack there. Too strong and serious for newbiescum.
Noraaa looks like a very good candidate for BD scumbuddy, given their relationship in BD's first few posts, and BD's soft defense of Noraaa, which only becomes more blatant in posts 125 and 126.
Petapan also unlikely as scumbuddy, because of several adversarial interactions with BB. Not clumsy enough to be intentional distancing.

[Ythan]

Vote Count

3 UberNinja (petapan, crypto, Pine) L-2
0 petapan
0 crypto
0 Hiraki
0 inte
0 Matias
0 CF Riot
0 noraaa
0 Pine

6 Not Voting (Hiraki, inte, Matias, CF Riot, noraaa, UberNinja)

5 to lynch
Deadline June 19th

[petapan]

don't really know what you're talking about there w/r/t me, pine, did you mean to say crypto? BD never spoke with me she replaced out pretty shortly after i replaced in

[Pine]

Quick analysis of associations from Blonde Doctor's posts:

Matias is NOT redscum, given BD's serious attack there. Too strong and serious for newbiescum.
Noraaa looks like a very good candidate for BD scumbuddy, given their relationship in BD's first few posts, and BD's soft defense of Noraaa, which only becomes more blatant in posts 125 and 126.
Petapan also unlikely as scumbuddy,

because of several adversarial interactions with BB

. Not clumsy enough to be intentional distancing.

BBMolla was your predecessor. Try reading all of it next time.

[petapan]

oh man i did read that but i was thinking you were talking about me interacting with someone and i obviously didn't interact with bbmolla

[Pine]

Also, I considered BD +/- crypto, but the interactions were too vague to draw a solid conclusion. There was some adversarial interaction, and there was some genial, but neither was out of the abilities of newbiescum in interacting with Town or scum.

[inte]

Pine is town

[Pine]

Successful lynch wagons

RedFF (Blue)

: Hiraki,

Mogri

,

TeChNoWC

, UberNinja, mb53,

Psyche

, crypto, petapan, inte

Technowc (Town)

:

Kairyuu

, UberNinja,

Pine

,

Nobody Special, Mogri

, noraaa,

TeChNoWC, Psyche

Mogri (Town)

:

Pine

, Hiraki, petapan, crypto,

Nobody Special, Psyche

,

BK201

, inte

Nobody Special (Town)

: crypto, inte, UberNinja,

Psyche

, CF Riot, noraaa,

Pine

BK201 (Blue)

: Matias, UberNinja, crypto,

D3f3nd3r

,

Psyche

, noraaa, inte

Psyche (Town)

: UberNinja, inte,

D3f3nd3r

, Hiraki,

Pine

, CF Riot

Defender (Red)

: Matias, noraaa, petapan,

Pine

, crypto, Hiraki

On both blue wagons: UberNinja,

Psyche

, inte, crypto <--I consider all three of these (that remain) unlikely to be the last blue Mafia member.

Hiraki - 4 (Blue/Town/Town/Red)
UberNinja - 5 (Blue/Town/Town/Blue/Town)
mb53/CF Riot - 2 (Blue/Town)
crypto - 5 (Blue/Town/Town/Blue/Red)
petapan - 3 (Blue/Town/Red)
inte - 5 (Blue/Town/Town/Blue/Town)
noraaa - 4 (Town/Town/Blue/Red)
Matias - 2 (Blue/Red)
Pine - 5 (Town/Town/Town/Town/Red) (Ummm, I think I just made a serious case against myself for last Blue, but I can accept that)

Voting records are suggesting to me that Crypto, petapan, and Matias are Town. This is corroborated by their general Towniness. At this point, we could simply lynch EVERYONE else, and be safe until endgame, but that kind of cockiness...well, it didn't work out in the last Ythan Nightless. And where's the fun in it, anyway?

petapan

- Not Blue, voting record

crypto

- Not Blue, voting record.
Hiraki - Generally Townie behavior, but recent odd actions
inte - Generally Townie behavior, but erratic

Matias

- Definitely not Red (BD interaction), voting record obvTown.
CF Riot - Somewhat of an enigma to me. I can't get a solid read. Only scum lynch was D1 RedFF
noraaa - Probable scum, given generally scummy behavior and opportunism. Possibly Red, given interaction with Blonde Doctor. Was in the middle of the Defender wagon, but the Defender slot had been dead weight all game.

Pine

- This is from my perspective, and I know I'm Town. So fuck off if you have a problem with this.
UberNinja - Not Blue, Very likely Red given aggressive lynching of Townies, erratic behavior, manipulation of the facts, flip-flopping on Psyche, and recent scumslip.

Not sure who the last Blue is, though I realize I just painted a big target on my own back and wouldn't fault the Town for lynching me for it. I have a reasonable amount of confidence that the remaining Reds are UberNinja and noraaa, based on their voting records and associations

[UberNinja]

huh? i'm playing with the assumption there are two scum teams. i am also playing with the assumption that non-blue (assuming red) scum has 2 more players than blue scum

i just showed where you scum slipped
and now you're trying to say i did?

loooooooool

No, actually, you didn't. You called me a specific color, and I'm wondering how you would know that I'm not the other one. Town has no insight into what color a scummy person is, except by associative tells, and you didn't cite any. I don't believe you ever have, in fact, not against me. So we come again, what caused you to assign a specific color to me? Is it that you're red, and therefore any other scum, as you seem to believe me to be,

must

be the last blue?

See? That's a color assignment based on actual inference, and logical as well.

Also, please point out this supposed scumslip I made. This is the first you've mentioned it.

Vote: UberNinja

yes, I said it sounds like you're red scum trying to lynch blue scum
as in, trying to kill off the last member of a scum team before you die

it didn't sound like someone from the (now) smaller scum team trying to take one last potshot at a big scum team before they lose

it sounded like someone from a bigger scum team trying to finish off the last member of a scum team before they die themselves (with the satisfaction of knowing that they were able to get the last member of a scum team lynched)

that is what i'm saying.

[Pine]

Okay, so it's entirely speculation with no grounds, got it. For a second there, I thought you were going to make a case based on something other than your fantasies, but I guess not.

Still waiting for this alleged "scumslip."

[UberNinja]

in fact, the only way what i said could

possibly

be construed as a scum slip would be if I was

BLUE

scum (i.e. accidentally revealing the info that you WERE NOT on my scum team)... but in your post 2085 you have me listed as

RED

scum with defender. so that makes no sense.

re: defender, there is

no fucking way

I would defend defender if i thought he was scum, holy fucking shit. his iso was a trainwreck and i misread him as newb town instead of newb scum, but it'd be the stupidest thing in the world for a scum buddy to defend him instead of just bussing the shit out of him for town cred.


tl;dr
a) the "scum slip" i made, according to pine, points to me as BLUE scum exclusively, NOT as red scum
b) still, he has me listed as RED scum, even though was on both blue lynches and championed BK201s

c) it makes NO FUCKING SENSE for ANYBODY on red scum to defend defender



conclusion:

pine is scum and is trying to use this "town momentum" along with me being wrong about psyche and defender (IN A ROW ) to try to get a mislynch on me and it is scummy as fuck

[inte]

Still waiting to hear why you think the teams wouldn't be the same size.

Got privileged information hmmm?

[UberNinja]

red flip. pretty swaggin so that leaves like 1 blue and 2 red right

@UberNinja

why would you assume that there are more (now confirmed) red than blue? In a nightless (with only goon/VT flips so far) it would seem more logical to have even amount

i assume there are 3 of each, so at that point there was 3 red left and 1 blue left, and now there are 2 red and 1 blue left

what's hard to understand?

[UberNinja]

@ pine:

question #1: why would i refuse to vote defender vocally if i was his scumbuddy

question #2: why are you pretending like my "scum slip" now means i was red scum when in reality it could only be construed to mean i was blue scum in ANY WAY

question #3: town, why the fuck are you listening to pine for any goddamn reason?

[CF Riot]

I basically skimmed the last page but am cool voting UN and continuing to sheep to the grave because of rallying for 2 town lynches and defending defender.

Vote: UN

[UberNinja]

this is so fucking frustrating

[UberNinja]

sadly i know nobody is going to listen to me

after i die, lynch pine

[UberNinja]

...

will somebody answer my fucking questions?

oh right... you can't

[inte]

okay

[inte]

like UberNinja was such a solid town read

i feel like Pine is a solid read too

:/

[Hiraki]

I can join this wagon if this is proven

manipulation of the facts

[inte]

yeah that seems like a bold AtE