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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 am

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The longer a game goes on, the less likely you are to catch scum (thats a true stat homie/proportional to the number of players) - long winded cases dont really contribute to a succinct readable thread, especially when someone's assburgers is flaring up.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:17 am

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When someone says "Whats your case, or make a case" - I think thats scummy

When you layout points people can quibble and pettifog endlessly, you aren't doing yourself or the town any favors. I'd rather just write a paragraph or two, aim a well-timed vote that can swing general moods, play to people's weakness, etc. I'm playing to the crowd, not whoever I think is scum. What would I have to discuss with him? I'm not saying close all channels of communication; just dont get involved in back and forths with the guy you think is scum. You dont need to convince him, lol. Finding scum/getting people to vote someone isn't some super logical process. People who tend to make it as such are usually just bad or scum.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 am

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Also;

All reads are gut reads.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:57 am

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dear god please stop posting


You cant even comprehend what I mean. Autism in action. All we need now is for Junpei to weigh in.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:21 am

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Spyre wrote:I'm not a great scum by any stretch but I'd say predominately I've been caught by gut versus "cases".


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People think cases should be these Spockian airtight vacuums that perfectly represent why someone is scum. Its kinda silly. I think in a lot of mafia player's minds (on MS) they have this glorified idea of the "case" that can never be lived up to, and yet in vain they desperately claw towards it, hoping one day they might actually make the perfect "case". Unless someone slipped, blatantly lied, has a guilty, whatever - almost every case will have holes. Its apart of the game.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:01 am

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GNR owns.

Oh I understand you. Which is why I want you to stop posting, everywhere.


>Umbad telling someone to stop posting
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Post Post #35 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:35 am

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I sort of agree with the Junpei's post actually, its expecting too much of people. Timing is everything. If you post below someone who just posted a pretty scummy post and you only respond with a vote, people will be likely to sheep. That being said for that specific situation I'm talking about its probably best if you haven't had any interactions with said votee.

I think MS deals with "cases" in a similar fashion EM deals with using "fos" (note I am originally an MS player, but I do love EM). When someone foses someone in EM, its a kind of a big deal and there is a sort of pageantry and ritual to it. It seems like a lot of MS players feel there needs to be an "official case" done by someone to get anyone lynched. Its extremely hard to properly
be a mob, to have that mob mentality
, when everything is so slowed down compared to normal forms of mafia.

IMO a big part of being decent at mafiascum is being subservise/subtle enough to manipulate this flaw in the long-form version of the game.
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Post Post #50 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:21 pm

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Logic is subjective when it comes to interpreting the actions of other individuals
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Post Post #52 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:46 pm

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in a perfect world it is
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Post Post #58 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:26 am

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Everyone has a different idea on what the proper application of logic is. There are of course situations where a broad consensus can be reached through "obvious" logical approaches.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:59 am

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True dat homie
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Post Post #63 (isolation #11) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:47 am

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Yos you need to be specific and clarify exactly when and where you are talking about the application of logic. I feel most of the people in this thread were talking about logic in the sense as it applies to reads and scumhunting in general, not some specific aspect of the endgame. =/
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Post Post #65 (isolation #12) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:21 am

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In post 64, Yosarian2 wrote:Well, obviously you can't do real, formal logic to find an answer until you have a LOT of facts, which usually means pretty late into the game.


uhh duh? my point and I think many other peoples points were that "logical" (note the quotation marks) cases are often far from the mathematical, formal logic you seem to be talking about. When someone makes a case, they think they are being logical, but then person B makes a case, and he thinks he's being "logical", person C makes a case against person B and she thinks she's being "logical". 99% of the time its just pseudo intellectual bullshit
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Post Post #73 (isolation #13) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:33 am

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wat

i was over exaggerating but there is a lot of PIB in "logical" cases, imo
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Post Post #75 (isolation #14) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:51 am

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There are reasons people have gut feelings

It doesn't come from the ether
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Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:08 am

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I think its both weird and interesting the way MS has developed and grown its own lexicon surrounding certain terms (gut and logic for instance). Pinpointing the exact meanings of such words as defined by this community (in the context of mafia) might be enlightening. And entertaining.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:44 am

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In post 92, Justin Timberlake wrote:in that it's dumb?

the dichotomy of logical vs gut scumhunting is stupid


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Post Post #103 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:06 pm

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What about making cases semi-official like
fos
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Boiling them down into the most simple terms so you can use
Case
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I think mastin is scum for these reasons. Early game he was posting way too much. Its not apart of his meta at all to act like that. The way he came out of nowhere and defended Cyberbob, that was pretty scummy. Also he has been prone throw out a lot of meaningless reads and lists like the time he said Vi, Chesskid, and Uberninja were all town with dubious reasoning. His voting habits have been lazy, I dont think I've been convinced at his genuineness once when he's placed a vote. To top it off, he hasn't attempted VCA or posted a wall once!
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Post Post #110 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:22 pm

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In post 107, Junpei wrote:ITT mastin claims to know everything that he needs to do, yet still whine when people don't give him advice. Impossible to break psychological patterns my ass - if you tried you could do it but I think you just love being flawed and weak.


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