Abarat: Days of Magic, Nights of War Mafia (Endgame)

[petapan]

i can't post more than 5 times? FUCK

better make each post count, then

Kill: MagnaofIllusion

[petapan]

You're boring, petapan.

so is this thread so far

actually i'm just mad cuz i wanted to make a joke and you stole my thunder

[petapan]

but your not selfvoting?

[petapan]

if you're pulling lol epic reaction test shenanigans you're not going to get anything from me

but if you're on the level then that's pretty cool info, actually, though you being a huge baby isn't, not that i'd expect any less

i'll believe that info because i just did a detailed re-read of the entire thread complete with notes and deduced that chesskid is scum

VOTE: chesskid3

[petapan]

hmmmm

no fate no stop


kind of want to put myself at L-1 for laffs

shmugen is also scum, 2/6 on page 2 woo

[petapan]

lmao

mafiascum.net, folks

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: shinori

[petapan]

So if you are saying you are Day aligned you have at worst a 50-50 shot between Chess and Bella. Do you think the odds on Shin flipping scum are greater than that?

my read on him is stronger than my read on chesskid/bella

[petapan]

i'd probably say that as either alignment tbh because it's just early game fuckery

[petapan]

HELL YES FIRST PHANTOM VOTE CHESSKID RACE ME TO L-1

I'm not defending him, I just asked isn't that something he tends to do, I still see it as scummy, when did I say that I thought it made him feel more town like in my eyes?

^this is why i voted you

@ Post #68:

Your read on me is stronger than the definite 50/50 chance of landing scum that we have on two other players from my whopping two posts of this game that include: me asking for verification on a question, a joke claim, and a response to marble's accusations of me being scum and my buddy being Seraphim, which I don't see the connection what-so-ever.

Now talking about my wagon I jumped from 0 votes to 6 people on me in the matter of time it took for me to sleep, I really don't like the speed of that wagon and I'd be willing to bet scum is on it in hopes of going for an easy wagon. That being said isn't chesskid one of your targets MoI?

##Vote: Chesskid

. Not to mention the reasonless votes all over me, some people who haven't even really posted anything at all on my wagon. Seems legit.

So MoI is town, chesskid is most likely scum, bella is most likely town, unless there is the possibility of multiple scum being amongst MoI's info. Finally, there is most likely more scum amongst the reasonless, postless players voting me, or quite possibly just amongst the people voting me. @Staeg @Nuwen both who have said nothing except for the words "Vote:" and their "Player of Choice" in any of their posts. Why are these being allowed to fly?

^this is why people should be voting you

WE GOT A LIVE ONE HERE FOLKS

[petapan]

no way he's a cool + mature guy that would never grudge lynch

[petapan]

Where's the scum motivations in that kind of shenanigan. If he's scum and we believe him wholeheartedly (aint gonna happen), we'd lynch 3 town and then one scum.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm

[petapan]

shinori is still scum i got nuthin else to say

[petapan]

you tripped over yourself with it - first you weren't defending him - then you say you were asking if it was something he usually does, which would imply it to be a nulltell, and then it's "no i still find it scummy" (but you never did in the first place(and still haven't explained it))

and then there's the current vote which is also bad

[petapan]

shinori you didn't ask if it was something he does normally as scum though

Side note isn't this something Seraphim does normally? Vote someone with no reasoning and say it's a real vote. Idk though I was only in a game with him for part of a day I think. Any clarification?

the uh, the implication here is that you think it's a thing he does normally, as in always, as in not having a bearing on his alignment. if you had asked "is" then it wouldn't be as big a problem for me but the last part of the sentence pretty much kills that interpretation - if you think something is normal behavior i don't see why you'd think it was scummy and your "clarification" seems more like you covering your ass


Reg - i'm pretty sure MoI retracted his claim, implicitly

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

i'm making good use of this PR

[petapan]

the rules say scum have prewritten fakeclaims, stop arguing about fakeclaims

why is anyone being voted over this fakeclaim argument, my idiot brain can't comprehend it

[petapan]

Now that I can post, Petapan can I ask why you aren't voting anyone?

didn't have confidence in my vote on you anymore, wanted to get rid of it, didn't want to wait until i found a vote i believed in

[petapan]

you're sounding kind of fake dude

why the scum-read on anxiety?

[petapan]

i fkn asked you a question how about you read over THAT

[petapan]

4nx has been terse and poking at simplefakeable things in a scummy way, though again reading with less sleepclouds I do like the requests for information he ends his posts with. Not enough to push him past neutral though.

VOTE: Chesskid

nah i like the logic of his OAFE vote tbh - not enough to sheep it but it doesn't look like a scum vote

[petapan]

Staeg, explain RC-Town to me please. If I were controlling the vote good chance I'd be on him right now.

Llama, can I get an updated list of your reads, also explanation behind Bella-Town.

okay i was going to ask Flash/Minimum about this but you're going to give me a better explanation than them - is this entirely because of the "we MAY be on the same team" line, or is there something deeper than that?

[petapan]

way he's approach the wagon looks town to me man i dunno. like, i've seen a game where he acts like that, as town. i mean maybe it's just the way he acts but i'm not agreeing with that read atm.

[petapan]

i love posting but nothing's standing out for me right now - have some town reads, no strong scum reads and there's a big pile of people just promising content who i can't read. i'm not that smart so forgive me for not catching anything yet, but lmao if you think i can't fake a reason to vote as scum

[petapan]

where have i waffled? aside from thinking shinori is scum and then doubting my read cuz i actually think about my votes, i can't think of anywhere else

facts is, i'm doubtful about shinori because of something in the way he responded to me, would have to re-read now to see it, don't get the votes on agar or RC, i think hinduragi is town because as scum he wouldn't care about a vote from some idiot like OAFE who has 0 credibility anyway, OAFE is just a 'maybe' for me right now, i think llamarble's posting sucks but he's still just promising content and saying he hasn't actually read the thread so i'm waiting on that.

i agree, i'm not being particularly pro-town right now. me deliberately posting to incur strain also isn't pro-town i dunno if you noticed. maybe someday you'll be able to realize that town-aligned doesn't always equate to pro-town.

but really, assume i'm town for a second, what do you suggest i do when i don't have any strong scum reads. like, in general, not specific to this game. this isn't me trying to appeal to you because lmao who cares about you i'm just genuinely curious

[petapan]

i should really probably just lurk more, that was a really awful post i don't want to play that way

[petapan]

VOTE: llamarble

[petapan]

Eh, I have to admit that peta's 286 is really awkward. I guess him acknowledging that makes it better. The part that really gets me is the, "what am i supposed to do if i don't have scum reads............ tell me how to look town, please!!"

Anyways, I'm out for a couple of days.

no i'm not asking how to look town i'm asking how to not suck @ m afia

You told me to full claim fate, that was not happening, a role name? That sounded reasonable, as I said.

Peta could you please link a town and a scum game for me?

Fate, lets not lose our IC to MOD Kill please, calm down.

i have 2 completed games onsite

[petapan]

The idea of mass roleblocking people you find scummy bothers me.

Hindu-Peta. Do the stuff I asked you to.

why the fuck would it bother you it's obviously coming from town

i already told you i have 2 completed games on-site, smd




i thought about some things and i'm going to trust other people's reads on llamarble in combination with him actually effortposting

UNVOTE:

VOTE: AGar

re-read him and I 'Get It' now

[petapan]

lol dude

[petapan]

i actually meant to laugh at OAFE not you (we should just start calling him Oaf)

i'd vote him but i just have a bad feeling that he's just being really dumb

[petapan]

well whether or not he'd claim it as scum is dependent on personality and this is some wacky alt so you can't tell

but the abilities make more sense from a pro-scum POV than anything so i think i'm going to sheep flash here

UNVOTE:

VOTE: OAFE

[petapan]

Peta, how does the claim make sense as scum? He's saying that nights after scum are lynched he will be appearing town and getting a 1-shot tracker, so you're saying town are penalized from lynching correctly and your saying his role is a partial godfather that he decided to up and claim in the thread? Come on dude. Also reads plz.

yes, as an equalizing mechanic - scum get a temporary boost when their numbers are lowered to help them in the night game. i mean does it make more sense that a town power role gets more powerful, the more scum are lynched?

you're not going to get a list out of me especially not on day 1 of a large game and if that bothers you too bad

[petapan]

idk man it really bothers me (also town are rewarded for lynching scum by

having scum dead

but this is veering too far into MD territory)

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: staeg

in the absence of intelligence on my part i am sheeping

[petapan]

why don't you blog about it oaf

[petapan]

also i forgot to mention, that i did some thinking about my vote, the one before i changed votes, and my thinking said that i was less okay with it and my initial instincts that he's just an annoying stupid guy were probablyy right. thats a thing i forgot to say, because i forgot to share. youre welcome.

[petapan]

no i'd say you're dead god damn wrong on that one

you think him raging at OAFE is fake? cuz i dont see why he'd get so pissed at some random alt as scum - draws unnecessary attention from someone who has no town capital anyway

[petapan]

Whoo, AGar's last post is really bad.

on the one hand yeah

on the other hand the post he is quoting is pretty out there as well so hrm

[petapan]

Whoo, AGar's last post is really bad.

on the one hand yeah

on the other hand the post he is quoting is pretty out there as well so hrm

I've called the scumteam D1 correctly before.
Anyway, the point isn't that I get it exactly right D1, though hopefully by the end of today I'll have 3 scums in my top 5 reads or 4 in my top 6.
The point is making a list of who I think the scumteam is most likely to be. It's not like I went through and exhaustively analyzed the connections to make sure I was right.

If Staeg Nacho Hindu Nuwen Schmugen Agar UT Bella Chesskid contains less than 3 scum then I'll be disappointed in my reads so far.

was actually referring to his response to staeg

those are some okay reads though i guess except for nacho

[petapan]

...he was V/LA, that's why he hadn't posted as much. i think his opening was pretty damn town, though

[petapan]

the world needs sheep, redcoyote

if everyone tries to be a big swinging dick sheepdog nothing gets done

if i don't have good reads i follow someone who has a good point or whom i have a townread on

you can do as you like though, i think the strain was getting lonely

[petapan]

oh cool i thought he was probably going to flip town tbh

[petapan]

i'm going to check marble's town reads, one of them is likely wrong

[petapan]

marble dropped green names on 4nxeity, bella, flash, and ludi. i think ludi's probably town, and he seemed to be really confident on flash as town.

VOTE: Flash

[petapan]

blah, i thought that hiders only got killed if they hid behind a scum-aligned player for whatever reason. I have absolutely no idea why he'd hide behind nacho or OAFE though.

UNVOTE:

[petapan]

So we've got kind of a PR-killer thing going on with sending someone to Marapozsa Street?

Unless someone wanted to volunteer if they think they have a role that would hurt more than it would help? That may lend creditability because I suspect if we send a Night-aligned player there they may not be able to kill. Would this be right,

Mod

?

scum NK is factional, not active, by the rules, so it's really only useful if you want to shut someone down for whatever reason

VOTE: AGar

[petapan]

i think we can only send one person and i don't see the point in self-sending here

[petapan]

ey ludi weren't ~good things~ supposed to happen if you survived to today? what happened with that?

[petapan]

yeah i'd be down with voting chesskid too, shinori should not be getting lynched today

i'm not voting to Send anyone unless they're a claimed vanilla (or PGO) because randomly vanillizing someone even if they're a scum-read is dumb

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: s_o_o

meh. i still don't like agar.

[petapan]

Send: MattP

[petapan]

yeah that last post by sword was actually real bad, i was just hipster voting him but town tend to not throw down votes on major wagons when they're catching up

[petapan]

he explicitly claimed it

[petapan]

if it's because of those last 2 posts do you mind explaining it to me?

[petapan]

oh okay i thought you saw something right there that i didn't


anyway my opinion pretty much hasn't changed on my vote, i could agree with a tierce vote if she doesn't deliver anything

[petapan]

ARE YOU SHITTING ME

WHY EVEN HAVE THE IC IN THIS GAME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ALL TROLOLO SCUM DAYVIG

i've totally been coasting this game in the hopes of sheeping the reads of people who are better than me and now i can't do that anymore and i'm Friggin Pissed

the temptation to quickhammer tierce is high but that would be retarded because i haven't been paying close enough attention so give me a minute

[petapan]

am i, like, a fucking moron or does shinori suicide bombing seem to point toward tierce being town

like he realized there was potentially going to be a shift of momentum to him and said screw it

fairly confused here about how that last page makes sense if they're teammates

[petapan]

well, tierce was getting pretty damn close to getting lynched and....i don't know actually. i keep trying to finish that thought in my head and it comes out opposite (if tierce is town why wouldn't shinori just coast it out and let the mislynch happen)

i just

god damn i'm pissed

i can't make sense of it

pe: yeah hinduragi but what do you make of tierce interacting with shinori on the last page, i can't make sense of it

[petapan]

wait wait wait i remember things

VOTE: seraphim

[petapan]

tierce: so your reason for thinking that nuwen is scum is that shinori had an awkward read on him that amounted to something like thinking he was town but not liking the vote nuwen made on him, then suggesting he might be commexo

no, try again, with more feeling this time, i think him speculating about the possibility of nuwen being 3p makes them less likely to be teammates

[petapan]

u votin me on "feels" on page 37 day 2. CMON SON

[petapan]

i think the read being awkward is a symptom of shinori being scum, not necessarily of them being teammates. scum pick out people to comment on for whatever reason, i don't think that read means an awful lot. this one does, though:

Yehp, I'm obvscum. Unlynchable bulletproof unlimited shot day/night vig independent actually. Sorry yo I win the game.

Side note isn't this something Seraphim does normally? Vote someone with no reasoning and say it's a real vote. Idk though I was only in a game with him for part of a day I think. Any clarification?

[petapan]

tierce's role claim isn't particularly meaningful either way - it's information that either town or scum could have (although searching online, numa child seems likely to be a town role and the information confirms that he is in this game and not a fakeclaim or whatever)

but really, is there any reason, any reason at all that people are ignoring seraphim?

[petapan]

i thought she was an okay vote but i wanted to pursue an alternate suspicion that people seem to be ignoring, with the claim i am less inclined to vote her - which isn't to say i'm townreading her but that i want to look elsewhere

so why don't you tell me what you think of seraphim

[petapan]

drrr drrr flavor arguments drrr drrr lynch seraphim

I'm not defending him, I just asked isn't that something he tends to do, I still see it as scummy, when did I say that I thought it made him feel more town like in my eyes?

Staeg and UT

438 wrote:
Okay no I'm retarded
I'll help you along with that wagon; still think shinori's scum
unvote
Vote: UT


I think this should put to rest UT/Tierce scum allegations for the moment. I'm not sure why scum would try to discredit wagon on popular town lynch in order to bus their buddy. Staeg wasn't facing any pressure at that point, no reason to abandon ship.

Okay, taking a look at chesskid's play, I would like to say that both Staeg and chesskid were pushing the same two lynches: Shinori and UT until he finally votes Staeg in 499 in what could very well be bussing. The same two lynches(admittedly at two different times), lynches that look like serious scumbait to me. I don't think UT's play has been that scummy, merely distracted. Also, Staeg's vote on UT, as explained earlier, was not timed right to be a bus. It doesn't make any sense as a bus IMO. Shinori's play reads VI town under pressure and I'd be happy to provide some examples of why to anyone interested.

In the meantime, I would suggest people join me in voting chesskid.

Oh yeah, I wanted to say that if Tierce is scum there is confirmed daytalk for scum.

Haha you've got to be kidding me. Shinori's ill-contrived suicide attempt proves that scum almost certainly DO NOT have daytalk. There is a possibility that the scumteam is full of idiots but any player with the tiniest bit of skill could see that Shinori's play was terribly timed.

Unvote
Vote: Tierce

(guise im so mad that my dumb scumbuddy suicide bombed the IC that was townreading him)

[petapan]

oh this is gonna be good

[petapan]

mmm yeah of all the possible responses you could have given

that was the wrong one to make

[petapan]

who's angry? You're the one who can't give up his shitty case. Why are you trying so desperately to deflect off of Tierce?

but seriously, i was obviously so swayed by your great reasoning for staeg and UT not being partners that i'm now trying to defend her with my life (because she's the godfather)


anyway is there some bug w/ my account where my posts don't show up or are people just ignoring me by default at this point in the game

[petapan]

i have a rly awesome theory guys it just hit me

[petapan]

anyone who thinks that tierce's information is fake is a big dumb btw (not saying it has any bearing on her alignment but interrogations about the claim are idiotic and won't go anywhere and tbh at this point i wouldn't be surprised to see her flip town)

i mean either you assume the possibility tierce decides to make up a false information role claim with no flavor knowledge rather than using a mod-written fakeclaim and have it potentially out her

or you assume hito is a badmod who gives scum fakeclaims that can literally confirm them as scum, simply by having everyone name-claim (don't nameclaim btw this is a bad idea)

neither of these make sense so quit trying to pull a gotcha on the details

if you think she's scum based on overall play then w/e go nuts but this speculation is driving me bonkers with how stupid it is

[petapan]

After reading Shin’s ISO I’m fairly certain the 1in3 isn’t MattP. The level of detail and attention he gives to actually making a case on Chesskid goes well beyond the effort he gave when he bussed Staeg.

i'd be willing to wager this is actually why mattp is scum

[petapan]

i still think the fact shinori speculated on nuwen possibly being 3p makes him more likely to not be night, tbh and i know i've said that before but it bears reiterating

i mean it's possible but right now you should be looking at seraphim

[petapan]

i'm arguing that trying to disprove tierce's claim is worthless as the information has no bearing on tierce's alignment oh my god did this entire game check out mentally after regfate died that we've had several pages of lolderpflavorargumentz

i'm calling you TO LOOK AT SERAPHIM BECAUSE HE IS SCUM AND NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING I ACTUALLY SAY

i'm not even saying i have a town-read on tierce though if i had to guess right now she is town

i am saying people are too narrowly focused like they've already given up on this day and it is driving me up the wall

and i'd appreciate it if someone would actually give me the time of day with regard to anything i say rather than saying "loldeflecting"

and hell i'll do it once more, with feeling, so that it just might penetrate someone's skull this time

[petapan]

if swear if i get ignored after this post i'm just going to start trolling and voting on every lynch

okay, even if we ignore the way shinori acted around seraphim which was super god damn awkward and his content overall being doodoo because hey i haven't been posting great either the following is undeniably scummy:

in Post #672 ISO #8 seraphim tries to get interaction reads from staeg. ignoring the silliness of that given that staeg barely interacted with anyone, he comes off with a town read on Tierce's slot:

Staeg and UT

Okay no I'm retarded
I'll help you along with that wagon; still think shinori's scum
unvote
Vote: UT

I think this should put to rest UT/Tierce scum allegations for the moment. I'm not sure why scum would try to discredit wagon on popular town lynch in order to bus their buddy. Staeg wasn't facing any pressure at that point, no reason to abandon ship.

Okay, taking a look at chesskid's play, I would like to say that both Staeg and chesskid were pushing the same two lynches: Shinori and UT until he finally votes Staeg in 499 in what could very well be bussing. The same two lynches(admittedly at two different times), lynches that look like serious scumbait to me. I don't think UT's play has been that scummy, merely distracted. Also, Staeg's vote on UT, as explained earlier, was not timed right to be a bus. It doesn't make any sense as a bus IMO. Shinori's play reads VI town under pressure and I'd be happy to provide some examples of why to anyone interested.

In the meantime, I would suggest people join me in voting chesskid.

This is a pretty detailed rationale for his town read, he avoids the wagon entirely up until shinori suicides.

THEN SUDDENLY IN POST #935 ISO #14

Oh yeah, I wanted to say that if Tierce is scum there is confirmed daytalk for scum.

Haha you've got to be kidding me. Shinori's ill-contrived suicide attempt proves that scum almost certainly DO NOT have daytalk. There is a possibility that the scumteam is full of idiots but any player with the tiniest bit of skill could see that Shinori's play was terribly timed.

Unvote
Vote: Tierce

There's no prior comment from him on anything tierce says, nothing to indicate he's changing his mind, he doesn't so much as try to elucidate a reason in the post where he votes first.

Then when I call him on it, rather than, you know, actually trying to explain why he now no longer considers his logic for Tierce-town valid, he mocks me, says i have a shitty case, and accuses me of deflecting off the tierce wagon. he has contradicted himself and does not feel the need to explain why he is voting someone he previously had a town read on, or even mention that he used to have a town read on the slot. this is a thing. a thing that scum do. because they want to lynch someone so they just join the wagon since hey it's well on its way anyway and hopefully no one will notice. if he was town, i would at least have expected him to try to rationalize why he is now voting tierce but instead he's just trying to discredit me and that is a big mistake


look at all dem words. seraphim is scum. mattp's probably the scum of the 3 names magnaofillusion is giving but i don't need to explain that today.

[petapan]

Conspiracy theory: peta-scum has Shinori kill self off in order to protect Tierce-scum and deflect to me, because I was the only person who openly defended Shinori.

waht

"hey scumbuddy, please use your suboptimal suicide bomb to kill the innocent child that is town-reading both of us so we can save tierce"

[petapan]

i'm not even saying i have a town-read on tierce though if i had to guess right now she is town

Parse them words!

Lol, "I'm not saying I have a town-read, but I would guess she's town."

If

I

had to guess, I'd guess you're staking on a fake position to sound relevant in a time when it doesn't matter.

i am saying people are too narrowly focused like they've already given up on this day and it is driving me up the wall

and hell i'll do it once more, with feeling, so that it just might penetrate someone's skull this time

Yeah, I like that (except when it sounds fake, which, unfortunately, I think it does coming from you), but now you have another problem. You're changing your playstyle mid-game here. You got on my case earlier when I called you out for being too wimpy. Now you're giving us the business about how no one is paying you any mind.

No way, man. You're totally fake. You're totally trying too hard to act town.

yeah, that's what I am saying - I don't have any real good

reason

to think she's town, I just

feel

it man. Hence why I can't actually say "no, this lynch is wrong, because A B C" - because A B C don't exist for me. I just feel it, which I know I said isn't enough, and it isn't - the difference is, I have

reasons

for thinking someone else is scum and i'm trying to get that across. What I'm saying is "I

feel

like tierce is town, i am not sure of that but my scumread on seraphim is stronger because XYZ".

my mood changed, my reads changed, the way i decided to play the game changed because suddenly for the first time in this game I HAVE A REAL CONVICTION THAT SOMEONE IS SCUM. screw you if you think that's fake, it's how i play and if you weren't being so damn lazy maybe you'd actually check to see that's true. there is a REASON i am coming on strong now and trying to shoot me down for that is just plain damn rude

[petapan]

The reasoning is. I had forgotten that Tierce was in UT's slot. And decided to press forward rather than back off when this was presented to me because I wanted to see how things would develop.

oh my god

if anyone can read this post and not vote seraphim for it they need to hand in their badge and their gun because they're off the force

[petapan]

redcoyote, my agenda is to help the town win. in early game where my reads are less strong, i'll sheep people whose convictions are stronger. when i strongly feel that someone is town or that someone is scum, i speak up aggressively. just because i feel differently about the game over time doesn't mean i'm scum. you're being ridiculous.

can you at least give me the god damn time of day with regard to what i am saying rather than screaming "omg fake" and ignoring my content

seraphim i'm not going to buy the "lol i suck and im proud" defense because if you really just didn't give a damn you wouldn't accuse me of trying to deflect off the wagon, that's a thing someone with some degree of conviction says, and bad play isn't inherently town play anyway

[petapan]

no i agree but the stuff you say does not read as honest. best explanation i can give.

my honest theory at this point? shinori is a weak scum player and claimed vengeful town, probably a mod-provided fakeclaim, because he felt pressured, then realized he might be lynched, freaked out, and suicide bombed. i think he's a player who caves easily as scum. i'm not sure this has a bearing on tierce's alignment because it's a bad play that doesn't make sense either way. i would be willing to lynch tierce if i had no other reads, but i do. i could be overthinking it but no one has given me a solid reason to think otherwise

[petapan]

Lynch Tierce. Thia stalling is dumb and everyone is pretending they've forgotten the wagon even happened. All the reasons presented to keep her from being lynched, those around the claim, are dumb and don't take into account the very fucking reason she was wagoned in the first place.

i don't pay attention to people who don't pay attention to anything i'm actually saying

none of what i am arguing

none of it

is an actual reason to keep her from being lynched (aside from a weak feeling i cannot properly explain)

so if you're not going to actually read anything i have to say then fuck you up yours i'm not joining your lynch because i'm apparently not playing the same game as you

[petapan]

numa child claiming wouldn't actually confirm her alignment in any way whatsoever so there's no point to asking for it

if she flips town then hey great numa child can claim


anxiety, i haven't seen anything in the recent past from you on quilford and admittedly didn't pay much attention to what you were saying the first time. i think you may be right though, if i am understanding you correctly. shinori flipping as a suicide dayvig does make him look suspicious. i don't think i'm wrong though, that rationale for clearing seraphim just doesn't seem nearly as major to me as it does to you - he said they think alike, so what. so. what.

[petapan]

So let’s discuss this Peta. You said you were sheeping the IC. The dead IC who was calling Tierce obv-scum all day long. And basically the second they die you immediately ignore the read you supposedly wanted to put stock in. Despite the fact that you yourself state that Tierce’s claim has no bearing on her alignment.

I’ve looked at your slap fight with Seraphim twice and I can’t say as I get very enthused about either of you looking very good coming out of it …

don't try to bully me into a vote here with this garbage reasoning

i already explained i was sheeping his reads due to lack of conviction on my part but now i see something and i'm trying to draw attention to it and most people won't so much as give me the fucking courtesy to say they disagree with me so i'm not really in the mood to be cooperative

slapfight with seraphim? okay, cool, you're not reading my posts although i can't blame you because i don't read most of yours either. if i've been having a slapfight with anyone it's with RC (who i don't even really suspect) but i am actually trying to raise a point against seraphim and being dismissive isn't going to get me on your side

[petapan]

go fuck yourself

[petapan]

VOTE: tierce

when she flips town i hope the rest of the players in this game have the good sense to not listen to a word you say from now on

fucking douchebag

[petapan]

every post you make is patently full of shit but you're probably town regardless and i'm done trying to cooperate with people who are clearly predisposed to ignore me so i'm playing to the troll win condition now

[petapan]

him focusing on me after makes sense if he's a town role that has information that i am statistically more likely to be scum than a random player

unfortunately

[petapan]

PS, my whole theory regarding the information is that: assuming it's legit, scum are going to be much more likely to bus inside the group rather than defend their teammate, because their teammate is probably going to get lynched anyway, so they want to create as much distance as possible. I think that's what shinori was doing and that's what I saw from other players who i presently suspect - i realize this is jumping to conclusions without any of them flipped but it just makes so much sense to me

[petapan]

Am I the only player on this site with skin tougher than old parchment? Seriously, kids, get it together. People are dicks sometimes, let it slide.

I'll give a Tierce vote serious consideration when I have time to go over stuff instead of just drop by.

Does no one have any input on my claim, or should we all just pretend I never opened my mouth?

lmao god everyone in this game has zero reading comprehension, it's literally the worst thing

you have your vote parked on me and can't be fucked to engage me in conversation or comment on what i've been saying or even articulate a reason for your vote in the first place so you can fuck yourself too

your role could potentially be used to form a 50-50 protection if someone has a doctor role, but i can't be sure that a doctor exists in the setup, so.

[petapan]

my conscience just kicked in

UNVOTE:

VOTE: quilford

[petapan]

okay i'm terrible

i still hate all of you

i'm thinking of claiming because town has a leg up at this point and it would be cool to resolve the magnaofillusion claim situation (even though i still think seraphim is scum)

[petapan]

oh shit i just read the rules for today

we can get a guaranteed scum lynch no matter what then

i'm diamanda, sister of the fantomaya. i'm a town jailkeeper, i can abduct people with my flying cloth, which prevents them from using active/factional abilities and from being targeted by them. (incidentally, i have no idea whether or not my sisters are in the council or not)

the two in one's role PM on the first page says they have a guardian angel, and that there is

exactly

one role like this in the game that is aligned with day

so if any stupid scumbags want to counter claim me today i invite them to hammer me

otherwise we get one of mattP/bella to hammer the other

[petapan]

oh i guess nuwen was my sister that's sad

VOTE: bella

mattP can hammer and this day is a no-brainer

[petapan]

read page 1 - it's a confirmed town role via mod-provided information in the two-in-one's role PM

[petapan]

ehh i contemplated bluffing this but i don't want to mislead people so - i didn't actually jail anyone last night. i can only use my jailkeeping power a limited number of times and i decided to conserve it. so either nuwen got double-shot or something else stopped a kill.

[petapan]

legiterally confused by the people who are balking at this, MoI has had opportunities to retract his claim and i see it as a lot more risky lynching outside there and besides we know quilford or seraphim is the last night guy anyway (no reads on commexo)

i mean if people are convinced he's lying (and believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than a few times) - why not just then give him the hammer so he seals his own fate if he's full of it? force him point blank to stick to his claim or retract at which point he gets lynched

i mean if you wanna sheep fate's read on bella that's cool but one of {mattp, MoI, bella} is going to get lynched today

[petapan]

shmugen is town. like, completely. this is not a me being dumb read but a surefire thing.

[petapan]

gamma didn't know that

my vision is garbaharkldfrghhggdsfcvdfsfbbbbbbbbb because he's either telling the truth or lying aaaaaaa

[petapan]

why the fuck do people think magnaofillusion lying as town here is within the realm of possibility

i can't stand him and even i don't think he's that big of a shitlord

we're just going to wait a week for him to come back and say he's serious and let him hammer someone and if he backs down now, on day 3, then he gets lynched, this is as basic as it gets

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MattP

[petapan]

if he backs down it's only because people are so willing to give him an out for this

[petapan]

lmao

try again, AGar is town now, tierce screwed that one up for you

[petapan]

you never claimed that?

[petapan]

hi tammy

you know what i'm going to say, right

[petapan]

prod dodging dwi

[petapan]

cool so we have a 100% scum lynch so we're running tammy up and one of bella or MoI hammers and quilford or seraphim is the last night-aligned

[petapan]

i'd guess the killing thing would be related to a role finding out who killed a player idk

i think the possibility my role gets outed as a result of that info would be a balancing factor, otoh the list of names comes across as less than random which is suspect

really i'd be fine with a tammy/MoI hammer combo and the people sure of bellatown can eat crow if they're wrong but right now i believe them, admittedly i'm hung up on ~theories~

[petapan]

no, idiot, there is "exactly one" role that is A) aligned with day and B) can choose any target they like (at least once) and prevent factional abilities from working on them. that's me. that's my role. there's no counter-claim, because scum aren't going to 1v1 me when your claim traps 1 of them. i'm confirmed town.

[petapan]

VOTE: MoI

yeah okay whatever die

[petapan]

you could have had it all but you had to go and scumclaim

[petapan]

"my role says i could have a guaranteed scum lynch today, but i will not try to make that happen, because i hate it, i hate winning as town" - a thing a person who is town would not say

[petapan]

i literally didn't even read your posts because any justification you can come up with for "i do not want a 100% scum lynch from my POV" is not worth reading

[petapan]

the funny thing is i really don't need to answer to you

[petapan]

we are lynching magnaofillusion and tammy is going to hammer him that is what we are going to do today

[petapan]

@Peta: Why have Tammy drop the hammer if you think Magna is scum?

because i'm lining up option number two in case he's inexplicably town in spite of ducking a surefire thing with two night-aligned players left

really though it's patently clear now he just tried to line up some grudge lynches as scum and it backfired on him and he's trying to weasel out of it because he knows he's sunk, i think the reason people are so divided on mattp/tammy and bella is because they both have town-tells

[petapan]

you misunderstand me i'm fairly psyched that we can get an easy scum lynch with 3/5 down but people are making this so god damn hard

i mean i'm dealing with some people who legitimately considered MoI lying as town the most plausible reasoning for his claim so i'm going to get a bit frustrated

[petapan]

i'll do whatever works i really don't see a point in pondering this endlessly

refresh me on how this plan to keep me alive is going to work with your role?

[petapan]

don't bother with your plan, shmugen. trust me on this.

[petapan]

does it really matter

[petapan]

the word is "pique", just fyi

in this game i feel like it's inherently hard to get a read on who is commexo, because they can scumhunt as legitimately as a townie so the only real tell you could get from one of them is a response to pressure and it's hard to pressure people who probably aren't night aligned and etc etc - i don't think many people have Commexo reads right now and they obviously can't all be commexo aligned it's just harder to guess at

regardless this day does not need to be this complicated.

[petapan]

moi is town
more self conscious with insults when scum

if people think the 1in3 is false
quilford correct lynch by far

i swear to god

how can you still sit there and claim that someone lying as town is the most likely possibility in this scenario

i feel like i'm taking crazy pills

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: tammy

[petapan]

My redirection ability is of incredibly limited utility, hence my claiming it in the thread trying to get ideas. My powerful healing ability is unprovable and makes me a fine candidate for any Commexo hunter.

That said, considering that Commexo and Night need to keep me alive for lynchbait, I am free to redirect as I please. Peta, why do you refuse my offer?

Reasons.

[petapan]

VOTE: bella

yeah.

[petapan]

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

This is non-negotiable.

???

[petapan]

i totally missed what changed that around at the end of yesterday, all i know is it's not tammy

s'autoloss for night team, anyway

VOTE: MoI

[petapan]

also btw ftr, my whole request to not be targeted was because i wasn't telling people the whole story: see, i only have an X-shot ability, because i'm old and drained by the council of the mind existing, and it strains me to abduct someone. but, i still have the power to get out and stay safe - or, in other terms, i'm bulletproof, so long as i don't drain all my power. i was planning on blowing my uses protecting the two-in-one but scum GOOFED and suicided, not realizing that by killing the two-headed clear they would be replaced with AN UNKILLABLE CLEAR. so yeah i'm here i'm clear get used to it

the reason i'm outing this is because it's likely i blocked a kill last night so i don't want the other half of the communal roleblocker to out even though i have an inkling of who they might be anyway

[petapan]

tammy being quilford's buddy would imply quilford is bad enough to put himself into auto-loss by not hammering his buddy

[petapan]

no, read the post above you

[petapan]

This is probably going to be the most earnest MS post I make and I'm wording it very carefully out of respect for hito cuz he did a good job modding and the setup was cool (not a fan of the suicide scum dayvig, but...) along with the added early-game quirks that i'm sure people have forgotten since it's been so long but they were cool, the hammer gimmick on day 3 i'd like to see used in a game and also for most of the people in this game because i don't want to fill it with a bunch of personal insults.

Spoiler: Dear "MagnaofIllusion":

You are a bad, selfish person, and for selfish personal reasons you needlessly messed this game up. (in spite of that, the town did pretty well for itself the first three days, big props to eveyone who helped with that since I know I was worthless, but sometimes that's the game) I know you're probably going to try to vindicate yourself because you happened to be right, like a newbie that fakeclaims a cop guilty and gets it right, but that's not an acceptable thing to do and neither is what you did because while you were right you were right on luck and luck alone (and on favorable odds, to boot) which makes you worse than someone who fakes a cop report because you had no basis for it. You can't claim it generated useful reactions, because most of the scumhunting that people accomplished was by ignoring it. It didn't contribute to the lynch of the scum player you randomly guessed. It caused me to out my role earlier than was necessary. It caused you to get mislynched, when you had every opportunity to retract your claim, and people were willing to give you that leeway even several days into the game. Somehow you tried to blame other people for not realizing that in a game where you are supposed to kill the liars, you made up a lie for your own contentment and refused to admit it when people called your bluff.

Now, all that is terrible and bad and stupid, but what gets me is the reason you did this. You did it because

you wanted to policy lynch the players you named.

And I'm pretty upset you would ever think that's an okay thing to do, because it's incredibly immature and I thought you took this game seriously, but I guess I need to work on my reads. Not liking the way someone plays is one thing. Claiming confirmed role info that suggests they should be lynched sooner rather than later is another thing entirely. And I'm galled you kept up the charade after I showed I had every intention of playing the game seriously, and Izzy was trying, and chesskid replaced out.

You kept up a bluff based on wanting to policy lynch players after one of those slots was replaced.

That is FUCKED UP, and it cannot be described any other way. And who were the people that replaced that slot? MattP and Tammy, both fine players who did absolutely nothing to warrant your harassment. Yes, they replaced a scum slot, but that

doesn't even matter because your guilty on them was based on a lie.

There is no way you can rationalize that being acceptable. But really what I can't get over is how you put me in that list. At the time this game started, I had three completed games on-site (i believe, i don't remember as it's been a long time). None of these games were with you. In every one of those games I was exemplary and played to win. You had absolutely no rational basis for wanting to lynch me. Your knowledge of me is derived entirely from F62, the forum for discussion with less moderation. I know that on there I trolled you and made fun of you at times because I disliked the attitude you display there and felt it was fun to poke at your irrational hatred of epicmafia (a site I no longer played on at the time). To me, that was all just messing around and I didn't take it seriously, but I guess you did. You took a grudge from out of game, and brought it into a game, for your own personal satisfaction. You mock the userbase of epicmafia for being childish, but most of them are mature enough to not disrupt games with their grudges.

And here's the thing: I believed what you said. I defended you. Because regardless of all the trolling, I thought you were adult enough to not let that influence your mindset in a game. Even as half the players in the game (rightly) called BS on what you were doing, I believed you were telling the truth until you stretched things past the point of credibility because you knew you were lying but refused to admit it. Because I believed you had integrity. Because I thought you cared about this stupid game you spend so much time on. Because regardless of the trolling, I thought you were a respectable player and I had every intention of respecting you.

I expected better of you.

MoI, you are a bad person. I'm not going to pretend to know why that's the case, but I hope that one day you realize your faults and you change them or you're going to keep alienating people. And I hope you take the time to actually think about the stuff you post and how it affects other people, and maybe grow up a little. Unless you change, though, I'm not joining any games you play in nor will you ever be allowed to sign up for any game I moderate.

sorry for the rant to the rest of yall but it's been weighing on my mind and i needed to get it off my chest and make everything clear. I decided to spoiler tag it so those of you who don't want to read it don't have to but there is information there for why I'm so damn mad

would like to play again with any of the rest of you sometime (except regfan he's a cock)

[petapan]

I thought Minimum was pretty clearly town MVP though that's just from memory and them living so long probably contributed to that but they were definitely awesome

[petapan]

rereading minimum wasn't as standout as i thought but they had some good calls in the early game and whoever lives the longest as town is always going to have more chances to set things right i guess

[petapan]

I just noticed we sent the Factional Enabler to Marapozsa. Town's early play was insane, considering how many scum we hit so fast.

well that was kind of a lucky pick given everything

what did the factional enabler even do, anyway

[petapan]

yea i abducted minimum that night i'm not sure i remember why i decided to do that but it is funny how that works out

[petapan]

let it go dude

cool role PMs