The game of the year: town won!

[Staeg]

Oh, yeah, I think feirei can get lynched after the others, I guess

[mykonian]

votecount

syndromeofadown (6): staeg, Feirei, timeater, syndromeofadown, theamatuer, petapan

[petapan]

Just wen't through Uber's post again from yeterday with the color coded vote counts. Interesting pattern from Staeg. I checked out all of the lynches staeg was on and found this:

Spoiler: Town Lynches

votecount

T-bone (10): Amrun, theamateur, uberninja, kondi2424, mattp, luffy, Thetrollie, lowman, spyrex,

Staeg

RedFF (2): MattP, Lowman
PeregrineV (1): trevor
BBmolla (1): Hoopla
hoopla (1): zajnet
kondi2424 (1): RedFF

As of post 1327, T-bone was lynched. He was a vanilla townie

votecount

luffy (10):

staeg

, rhinox, BBmolla, mattP, zdenek, elmo teh azn, Nobody special, theamateur, chevre, dramonic

lowman (6): amrun, luffy, PeregrineV, petapan, TechnoWC, Lowman
BBmolla (2): zajnet, syndromeofadown
nobody special (2): Trevor, Kondi2424
PeregrineV (2): Hoopla, zoraster
YYR (1): RedFF
Trevor (1): uberninja
Spyrex (1): callforjudgement
chevre (1): thetrollie

as of post 1771, luffy was lynched. He was a vanilla townie.

Two lynches remaining today.

also note that at the time of staeg's vote SpyreX was also voting Luffy

votecount

hoopla (10): amrun,

staeg

, technowc, chronopie, jackal711, zajnet, kondi2424, deltawave, uberninja, PenegrineV

MoS (2): bbmolla, syndromeofadown
technowc (1): theamatuer
kondi2424 (1): RedFF
dramonic (1): funkybike1
funkybike1 (1): trevor

Hoopla was lynched, she was a vanilla townie.

You still have one lynch left today.

votecount

sykedoc (10): theamatuer, kondi2424, technowc, jackal711, bbmolla,

staeg

, zajnet, YYR, spyrex, Petapan

YYR (3): redff, trevor, syndromeofadown
Funkybike1 (1): zajnet
technowc (1): Deltawave
petapan (1): peregrinev
sleepykrew (1): thetrollie
spyrex (1): uberninja

as of post 3192, sykedoc was lynched. He was a vanilla townie. You have one lynch remaining today.

votecount

YYR (10): redff, trevor, syndromeofadown, petapan, spyrex, peregrinev, jackal711, thetrollie, funkybike1,

staeg

technowc (1): Deltawave
spyrex (1): uberninja

As of post 3237, YYR was lynched. He was a vanilla townie.

It is now night 5. Send your action in within 24 hours.

votecount

peregrinev (10): BBmolla, petapan, jackal711,

staeg

, technowc, trevor, deltawave, syndromeofadown, zajnet, theamatuer

Sleepykrew (1): thetrollie

as of post 3264, peregrinev was lynched. He was a vanilla townie. You have one lynch remaining today.

with the exception of sykedoc and peregrineV, for every mislynch that Staeg has been a part of, he has been either one of the first to start the wagon or the one to hammer

Spoiler: Mafia Lynches

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nobody special (10): zajnet, mattp, Elmo teh Azn,

staeg

, kondi2424, callforjudgement, bbmolla, TechnoWC, TheTrollie, syndromeofadown

Spyrex (4): amrun, Jackal711, uberninja, YYR
technowc (3): Ellibereth, Trevor, zdenek
bbmolla (2): PeregrineV, thetrollie
sykedoc (1): theamatuer
amrun (1): hoopla
Kondi2424 (1): Redff
thetrollie (1): petapan
hoopla (1): nobody special

As of post 2654, Nobody special was lynched. He was a

mafia goon

it is now night 3. The deadline is in 24 hours

votecount

callforjudgement (10): Amrun, petapan, uberninja, Jackal711, Zajnet,

staeg

, hoopla, syndromeofadown, technowc, dramonic

BBmolla (2): Callforjudgement, kondi2424
kondi2424 (1): RedFF
dramonic (1): funkybike1
funkybike1 (1): trevor
sleepykrew (1): PeregrineV

as of post 2767, callforjudgement was lynched. He was a

mafia goon

You have 2 lynches remaining today.

@Callforjudgement, if you still want to help with the votecounts, that would be appreciated a lot. You've been a great help to the game.

For Mafia lynches that he has been on, he has been consistently voting once a wagon has already gathered a good amount of attraction, but is never one of the last to vote for these players.

I'm running very late to pick someone up at the airport, gonna have to leave it at that and return to this when i get back

Okay so I am willing to sheep some combination of trollie/peta (more or less because of my own reads being shit).

ironic, cause ur on my list of today's lynches. Eh, why wait.

VOTE: Staeg

c'mon people. lets stop fucking around here.

that was very dumb.

VOTE: staeg

that was very dumb.

VOTE: staeg

do not sheep deltawave. page 145 makes staeg look like he might be town. vote MoS.

not sure i feel the same way about 145. I'm not sheeping that dumb fuck, I think staeg is scum because of what i've said in the past.

MoS is an OK lynch subject but i think Staeg is more likely scum.

ok there

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Syndrome

[Mastermind of Sin]

Finally.

[mykonian]

votecount

syndromeofadown (7): staeg, Feirei, timeater, syndromeofadown, theamatuer, petapan, bbmolla

And with that, syndromeofadown was lynched. He was a

mafia goon

That was the last goon as well, the mafia got beaten, the mimes put aside, nothing bad remains: town wins! Congratulations town, and thank you everybody for playing. I think a couple of you enjoyed it as well.

A special thanks to callforjudgement, who esspecially in the days that you posted a lot helped out greatly with his votecounts.

[Staeg]

There, spyspy's passing is honored.

As for the game - eh, I actually kinda liked it - we were kinda unlucky that two morons and that other dude got angel roles, but the premise behind the game was ok.

[Hoopla]

I hope mykonian has learnt his lesson.

[Mastermind of Sin]

See? I saved town from mislynch! >.>

[petapan]

IT IS ALL OVER

[petapan]

NO MORE HARSH WORDS, NO MORE ANGER

RIGHT NOW WE ARE ALL BROTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN FREED FROM OUR BONDS

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not sure if I actually want to put this game in my statistics lol. Too many lynches.

[MattP]

Wooooooooooooosh

[syndromeofadown]

finally

its over.

[petapan]

Wooooooooooooosh

props to you + amrun this game for actually tryharding it

[MattP]

Peta you were the only thing that kept me sane the day spyrex got lynched

And about the spyrex lynch

THAT WAS FUCKING INSULTING I CONFIRMED HIM AS TOWN WTf

[MattP]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/qLpiRMGMq93DH

[ShadowLurker]

yay i win

[petapan]

i have absolutely no idea why i wasnt shot after i led the zdenek lynch, i ended up barking up the wrong tree for a while but shooting shadowlurker was just cruel and unnecessary

[syndromeofadown]

for laughs

and we suck >_<

[Mastermind of Sin]

The DeltaWave kill was pretty dumb as well.

[MattP]

I don't mean to be a dick but this should have been a scum win, for shame

[petapan]

eh he'd just led a lynch on scum after the general horribleness on part of everyone the day before

this was the worst lynch in the game:

hoopla (10): amrun, staeg, technowc, chronopie, jackal711, zajnet, kondi2424, deltawave, uberninja, PenegrineV

[Mastermind of Sin]

Killing DeltaWave confirmed that Zajnet and I weren't scum. It was a really dumb move.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (7)
  : Staeg Feirei Timeater syndromeofadown theamatuer petapan BBmolla
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 Zajnet

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

Oh, I can talk again? Good game, everyone.

I think the setup for this was probably townsided, but I think it would have been hard to determine that before it started; something like this has never been done before. The mimes had basically no chance (sorry mimes), given the angels; they'd have been in trouble even if the scum NK was the only way of preventing them winning (although at least they could have played mindgames with the scum to see when they blinked). The main issue for the scum is that the scum NK is famously a really powerful weapon in mountainous; with multi-lynch days, we didn't get much chance to use it, and with a scumteam so large, blending in in the day phases is really awkward. (When the game got down to 20, scum started to get the advantage, which is why it took so long to get the last few, but we'd effectively already lost by then.)

Or to think about it another way: there were 7 members of the groupscum team, 6 mimes, that leaves 37 townies. They get lynches in the pattern 5, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, and then 1s from there. So that's 14 more lynches than nightkills. Having 37-7 = 30 more townies than scum normally gives 15 mislynches; every two lynches in excess of NKs gives another mislynch, so town had 22 mislynches this game (a couple were wasted on mimes, but still…). That's a

lot

. It basically means scum can't do anything at all to stand out; you can lynch anyone who does anything unusual with that many mislynches and still have enough left over to win. (Note that this means that scum were basically impotent to control the direction of the game early; any voting block or FoSing block could be easily and trivially broken up with minimal risk to the town, so we couldn't do much but let things take their course; of course, that was suspicious in its own rights, but there is zero risk to a townie in standing out because they're all vanilla and their lives are pretty much irrelevant, whereas scum really need to preserve themselves.) I think mykonian recognised this and that was what the mimes were for, but the mime faction was too weak to make a difference in this case.

If the setup had been one majority lynch one kill, like normal, it'd have been much closer to balanced; probably somewhat scumsided. (It'd also have been no fun to play.)

I'd have expected a setup this large to contain more power roles, and probably multiple scumteams, and a few vigilantes (probably dayvigs). It'd have been a more reasonable way to cut through the numbers, IMO. I know Hoopla was pretty distressed about that; our scumteam were pretty confused upon discovering we were all vanilla, too. (We should have realised earlier than we did that it implied the game was mountainous.)

Btw, I was lynched while offline, but if I'd been here, I was planning to claim lyncher. There's pretty much nothing a scumbag can do to save their life in this setup; there are no power roles but angel, and with the angels being able to talk to each other, this also implies they all know each other's identities, so that can't safely be claimed either (and the proper reaction to an angel claim at L-1 is to give their buddies time to redirect the kill and then lynch them). It was already clear to me at that point that all power roles were day actions, although not that angels were the only power roles that existed (the way mykonian was pressuring us to decide night actions in advance in the scum QT was evidence enough of that). But what could I claim? Dayvig is too confirmable, daycop too impossible to believe (especially given mykonian's modmeta), day doctor makes no sense. (Day tracker

does

make sense – see WiH – but I didn't think of it in time.) Note that this isn't particularly a flaw in the setup, but it

does

have to be factored in when balancing.

Fwiw, I probably wouldn't have risked making votecounts as scum if I hadn't promised in advance; standing out in this setup in any way at all as scum is too risky. (I'd have been fine doing it as town.)

Oh, and kondi: so far, I've townslipped in well over half my games as scum, presumably because I'm quite good at thinking in hypotheticals. Less likely to do it as town, strangely enough…