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Google Hangout *is* webcam chat. I'd be up for doing a Hangout On Air tonight and streaming it live to anyone who feels like watching. Anyone interested? If so, check out my Google+ profile and circle me so I can add you to the hangout later. I'm thinking we can do it in an hour or two, 8 or 9 pm CST.

https://plus.google.com/118320000996617492538/posts

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Oh, and if anyone *really* needs me while I'm V/LA, you can get ahold of me via facebook/gchat or call/text on Friday and Sunday, but not Saturday

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Also, esurio, I added random shit like LinkedIn because I'm trying to brainstorm as many creative or non-standard ways to communicate as possible...and you *can* send messages via LinkedIn.

@Nuwen: Drunk Hangout? I'm down.

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Espy Hangout in about an hour?

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Anyone who adds me on Google+ will get added to my "Always On" circle so that I can share posts with the whole circle as needed.

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Why you hating on Google? Can't stream crapSkype.

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@Bitmap/TheTrollie...because I didn't make the hangout public (to prevent random people from joining who aren't in this game), there is no link I can share. The hangout is already started, so just add me on Google+ (Jordan Hawker - elwayman02@gmail.com) and post here to let me know your name and I'll invite you to the hangout.

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Bitmap I already invited you via email...TheTrollie I don't have your email (you didn't fill out the Google Doc), so I can't add you to the hangout yet.

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I agree, Reck.

Vote: Fate

cuz trollolololol

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Not surprising.

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Also, Reck, we need to get a team of 5 together next week and play mafia in team chat during a LoL game.

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Bitmap I invited you to the hangout...just let the plugin install and you should be able to join. Zoraster is already here observing.

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Reck is in the hangout whooo!

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just got home. Google hangout still going on?

Bitmap I already invited you via email...TheTrollie I don't have your email (you didn't fill out the Google Doc), so I can't add you to the hangout yet.

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Ok.

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TheTrollie I invited you...join

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Vote: iPie

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TheTrollie, check out my profile and click the Hangout button on the most recent post.

https://plus.google.com/118320000996617492538/posts

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This hangout is excellent!

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LLD, as soon as the new york team gets one sicilian, they know who the other are and become a team of six basically immediately by recruiting the other two next.

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I think it's 2 or 3, not 1, to be fair. It depends on how strong the town is, though.

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This hangout is excellent!

My Gmail is kdowns1993

I don't know if Amrun gave it to you yet.

Invited, go here and click the Hangout button:

https://plus.google.com/118320000996617492538/posts

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Reck just claimed scum in hangout. But we can't lynch him until D2 cuz he's having too much fun.

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like... scum would design that strategy then it'd be easy townpoints to give it out as information

That's why I didn't give out the rest of the scum strategy I thought about...because it won't help the town to know and I'm hoping the scum haven't thought of it yet. =P

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Vote: Reck

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Hangout successful. First scumslip detected. Win.

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They're avoiding you because you're annoying them most likely.

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Unvote

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I'm on like page 10 or so.

The New York Mafia controls the factional kill. The Sicilian Mafia does not have a factional kill. The Sicilian Mafia members MAY be killed by another mafia member.

Why do people think TheTrollie is scum after he was trying not to draw MattP's kill because he thought he was Sicilian mafia? This doesn't sound like an orchestrated slipup, and if TheTrollie was actually scum he'd know which team had the kill.

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matt is being dumb...i want sicillian matt to think im NY scum so that I can avoid the NK

I think it's pretty obvious how terrible this post is but I was so flabbergasted that I had to comment on it. People post things like this in the real world?

Yea this is what I was talking about that makes TheTrollie pretty obviously town.

Also Grimm why the FUCK were you trying to sneak in a lurker attack on me when the fucking mod posted that I'd be V/LA all weekend

when he goddamn opened the fucking thread

?

Mastermind of Sin has said he is V/LA from Friday morning to Monday evening

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I'll do a hangout tomorrow night probably...when I'm officially off of V/LA.

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I'll do a hangout tomorrow night probably...when I'm officially off of V/LA.

I'll get the alcohol.

YOU STAY OUT OF MY CLOSET!

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sooooooooooooooo

mos and i talked about it and i am p sure both him and trollie are town

This.

For everyone else's benefit (abridged):

MoS: read the quote very carefully...he says "the NK" not "a NK" or "being NK'd"
MoS: which implies that he realizes there is only one mafia faction NK and he just mixed up which team had it
MoS: and I find it highly unlikely that he'd do it on accident, since I'm relatively confident that if he was NY mafia his role pm says his team makes the kill
MoS: even if [his role pm] doesn't mention the sicilian lack of kill specifically we know via his posts that he realizes there is only one kill, those two points together make it nearly impossible he did this as scum

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oh no wait, LLD just came after me on AIM for how I did ::mean things:: to her boyfran

I cant stop

all day

QFT

Also, everyone still voting TheTrollie needs to explain how he would forget that HE has a nightkill at the beginning of Day 1.

I'm up for hosting a hangout, I'll start sending out invites. This hangout will be made live, so I'll post a link for people.

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I've made the hangout but people need to join before I can make it live. As noted in the hangout title, we are streaming live and recording, so joining is a tacit agreement to be broadcast.

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The following 4 people need to add themselves to the contact spreadsheet:

Fate, iPie, LLD, and Techno

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Fate, Trollie is town. Stop being a cheeky scumfuck.

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PIE HANGOUT NAOW

Also, Trollie and Matt are coming in the hangout soon...after they have a romantic candlelit dinner together.

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Live Hangout Stream!

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Mod: Where is Reck's vote?

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Mod: Where is Reck's vote?

EBWOP: Nvm I forgot...

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Just once I'd like to come back to this thread and not have to read Reckoner's antagonistic shit.

Just once I'd like to come back to this thread and not have to -

you know what, too easy, nvm.

p-edit: sigh.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over Reck's-

You know what, too easy, nvm.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of GreyICE whining from behind your back.

You know what, yes.

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Not going to be at my computer for a while, so if you need me try texting or gchat. I'm hearing rumors of an Always On LoL match, so just let me know if that gets together.

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Voting TheTrollie is a terrible decision at this point. We get next to no useful information and his wagon is HIGHLY likely to end up as a mislynch. There is no good reason to lynch him today.

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MattP you have lost all credibility in this game, I don't even see the point in reading your posts anymore.

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Cool, play the strings of the "Let's ignore Matt now because he has an unconventional read on Trollie so if I play it off like he's dumb then people will ignore him concerning his read on me" violin. You're a pro at this.

So...unconventional read, eh? That must mean it's NOT obvious that TheTrollie is scum. Thanks for pointing it out.

P-Edit: I agree with DRK.

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At least he's not on the shit Trollie wagon.

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I didn't know there was something worse than Junpei.

I was wrong.

I'm glad you are finally seeing GreyICE in a clear light.

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Hangout operational. Check for an invite.

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You should have an invite now.

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https://plus.google.com/118320000996617492538/posts

Go here and look for a post that has "Join This Hangout"

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You haz invite.

@DeasVail: We will be streaming here in a sec if you want to watch...

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Live Hangout Pt II

Mod: Link Fixed. Although that might not be a good thing for your ear drums, judging by their singing talent

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I enjoy how the worst poster in this game with some of the worst reads in this game, is calling me useless.

I'm voting scum, you aren't.

Also, Grey is 100% town you can take that to the bank.

LLD you're calling yourself useless?

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Nachomamma8 - town
xReckonerx - town
InflatablePie - nulltown
Amrun - scumSicilian but not with Bitmap
DeasVail - nulltown
Fate - town
BBMolla TeChNoWC GreyICE - scumNY
Mastermind of Sin - nulltown
Lady Lambdadelta - nulluseless
hitogoroshi - scumNY
Nuwen - town but trusting Fate so scumSicilian
Agar - scumNY
Espeonage - nullscumSicilian
Grimmjow - town
MattP -town
esuriospiritus - town
TheTrollie - scumNY
kdowns - town
DeathRowKitty - nullscum
Nobody Special - town
Staeg Bitmap - scumSicilian but not with Amrun

MattP's scumreads:

TheTrollie

Espeonage

Staeg/Bitmap - Voted TheTrollie
DRK - Voted TheTrollie

Agar

Nuwen - Voted TheTrollie
hito - Voted TheTrollie
BBmolla/GreyICE - Voted TheTrollie
Amrun - Voted TheTrollie

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Vote: BBmolla

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No he's town.

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I can only upload 5 minutes, molla. Dunno when I will have time to edit it down.

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You can stream live but uploading to youtube can only be 5 minutes.

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o.O

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Was it mine? lol

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My thoughts

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Ooooh...you're confused. Of course you can upload any length stream...GAME RULES state that you can't share more than 5 minutes of a recorded conversation...I have to edit the hangouts down to 5 minutes of highlights.

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Anyway, Amrun, point is: if I

am

being retarded, do you have any convo logs that support your claim of MoS being wishy-washy on Reck's "scumslip"?

You're really, seriously missing what I am trying to say here.

AIM randomly logged me out before I saved my logs, so I lost the convo where we discussed Reck's slip, but he WASN'T wishy washy in that conversation. He seemed quite confident that Reck was scum. However, his ACTUAL play doesn't reflect that at all. Do YOU think MoS has a strong scumread on Reck?

Uhhhh, what? Here is the entirety of what I said to you about Reck when you brought this up. It's easy to cut down to 5 lines because I only said two things:

Amrun: you were there so i want to ask what you really think about it
MoS: I think it could very well be a slip
Amrun: I really do too
...
Amrun: why aren't you voting him then
MoS: I am

Vote: Amrun

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Ok this charade needs to stop.

NUWEN FAKED THE CASE ON AMRUN TO SEE WHO WOULD HOP OFF TROLLIE TO FIND HIS FUCKING SCUMUDDIES

AFTER THAT PIE HOPPED ON ADDING HIS OWN SHIT VERSION TO THE CASE

THEN DUMBTOWNIES LIKE RECKGRIMM ADDED ON, THEN ESURIO.

NOW MOS SCUM IS JOINING THE FUCKING PARTY

STOP THIS SHIT NOW AND GET BACK ON TROLLIE

DEASVAIL IS RIGHT AND CONFTOWN
NUWEN WAS TOWN ALL ALONG APPARENTLY JUST HAD A ROUGH START

Fate, if you think Nuwen had ANYTHING to do with the Amrun wagon you're really not paying attention to this game. I wasn't even aware she had said anything about Amrun being scum because

NUWEN REFUSES TO EVER COME ONLINE AND TALK TO PEOPLE

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If you still don't get it talk to Reck. Nuwen had jack shit to do with anything, so stop sucking on her teats and pay the FUCK attention.

Okay, good with Trollie or MoS lynch.

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LoL of course I don't respect your fucking reads, it's not a fucking secret or anything. That doesn't mean I'm not going to take the opportunity to get you off of the terrible Trollie wagon if it comes up. I didn't have anything better to do with my vote at the moment anyway.

Pie can pretty much back all this up, it's not like it was a secret. Just not public to people I don't trust not to be idiots.

Also, LOL at your claim that this was the first time you haven't taken the game seriously...you've been trolling half this fucking game so far and it's getting fucking tiring. What the FUCK do you call your fakeass daycop claim?

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3a. MoS volunteered to host these hangouts. He is the observer and gatekeeper of facial cues and visual contact right now. I've played face-to-face mafia with MoS, and he's pretty good at it. He must have a shitton of information and reads right now... where are they?

A lot of people will soon realize 3a. I think the best way to proceed is to approach MoS and glean as MUCH info as possible from him and see how many reads he's willing to vomit. He should have a lot of raw material. Holding back raw material about specific players means he DID notice stuff, but isn't sharing with the class.

LoL! I've shared my reads with anyone who cared to ask, but if you think I started these hangouts for the express purpose of gathering facial cues on people, you're drinking the wrong kool-aid. Anyone who's been in these hangouts can tell you that I pretty much drink my way through them, which means I'm not really paying all that close attention to people's faces. Hell, Pie can even back this up because, amusingly enough, he started a SPECIFIC conversation about facial cues near the end of the hangout last night (through which Pie confirmed TheTrollie as town, by the way), and I was lamenting that I hadn't paid more attention to visual tells.

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Wait wait wait...

Nuwen believes that MoS-scum would not bus a scumbuddy if they had a power role?

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Woah now, "confirmed" is a bit strong of a word for what Pie was talking about, and if Pie weren't at work atm I'm sure he'd probably tell you the same thing.

I have talked to LLD a little bit; I would like to talk to her more in depth but it's slow going atm.

I'd like to talk to anyone I haven't talked to 1v1 sometime before the day is out -- if I'm awake, I'm on skype. Contact me there or through lol, or failing that you can always PM or email me.

A better word would have been "reaffirmed".

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Trollie wagon: how many of you has MoS confronted in a way that suggests he's looking for scum on TheTrollie. Nacho, kdowns, Fate, Deas, Staeg?

Good job listing 5 people who have not made an effort to communicate with me (DeasVail came into the hangout and left, so we never got to talk to him) and Nacho (who I've barely had a chance to talk to). Why don't you ask the half of the thread I actually have had a chance to speak with if I'm scumhunting...LoL

Honestly you're so bad at this it's unbelievable.

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Says the guy who refuses to add his contact info to the spreadsheet.

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MoS, you want to get that edited hangout up man? It's sort of important. I know even simple editing kinda sucks because I'm doin it for my Peggle videos, but it really needs to happen.

Unlikely to happen anytime soon (as I mentioned last night), since I'm V/LA Friday-Sunday. I might have time for in Monday night at the earliest.

Mod: Can I give the video recording to someone who was in the hangout (and thus already knows everything that happened there) so they can edit it for posting in the thread?

If yes, I'd be willing to send the stream to a volunteer if someone's interested in doing the legwork sooner.

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Oh hey somebody actually watched hito's videos?

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Ok, sounds good. Would anyone like to volunteer to edit a hangout video? I recorded last night's and Monday's...

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Nope, Nuwen. Keep digging yourself a hole, though.

Nacho

- Texted me on Sunday while I was V/LA, we talked about our reads. On Monday I invited him to join us in the hangout and he declined. On Wednesday he texted me again and I again invited him to join us in the hangout and he said he would but didn't ever show up.

kdowns

- Was actually in the hangout with us one day (Thursday, I think), and I talked to him on skype again today.

Fate

- Has posted no methods of communication in the spreadsheet, so that's his own damn fault.

DeasVail

- Invited him to join the hangout, he tried to join apparently but then left again, I'm assuming due to technical difficulties. He was watching the stream and posting in the thread so it was close enough, but I haven't had a chance to talk to him other than that.

Staeg

/Bitmap - Staeg just got into the thread, so we haven't talked yet although I did invite him to the hangout (I've been inviting everyone who gave us an email, yourself included, to EVERY hangout). I did, however, talk extensively to Bitmap on Thursday before he replaced out.

Factor the above in with the fact that I was V/LA for 3 days out of the 8 that this game has been open, and you're just making yourself look dumb for trying to claim that I'm purposefully not talking to certain people. I've made myself an open book and posted more methods of communication than anyone else in this game, and the people who've wanted to talked to me have made the effort. Players like yourself and Fate, however, clearly had no intention of actually communicating with me to get any indication of my alignment and instead prefer to take potshots from afar by quietly building a bullshit case on the side and spreading it around to people privately until you thought you saw a chance to throw it at me. Well, guess what? You fucked up and everyone knows you're full of shit. The only problem here is that I don't actually believe you're scum for doing this, because I don't think you'd have the balls to come at me with such an obviously crap case if you were scum. The only way I see you as scum is if this whole thing was actually Fate's idea and you opportunistically ran with it. I find that unlikely, though.

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V/LA until Sunday night or Monday night. Available minimally by text if you need me.

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Good job listing 5 people who have not made an effort to communicate with me (DeasVail came into the hangout and left, so we never got to talk to him) and Nacho (who I've barely had a chance to talk to). Why don't you ask the half of the thread I actually have had a chance to speak with if I'm scumhunting...LoL

Honestly you're so bad at this it's unbelievable.

Does this basically mean "I can't have scumreads on people that don't privately approach me. Sorry!"?

Not at all. I have reads of some sort on pretty much everyone in the game.

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Actually I invited you into hangouts twice...we tried to get you on Monday and you said you didn't have time.

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Also, you messaged me on Skype at 6 am, 7 am, and 4:30 pm, all times that I'm quite obviously not going to be available. I tried messaging you back when I was around to talk and you didn't respond. So don't give me that bullshit.

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you messaged me once telling me to get in a hangout when i wasn't around
and yes, when i messaged you, i messaged you with the intent that you would respond when you got back. you didn't.

I did message you when I got back. You just weren't around to respond to it. Don't act like you didn't get a response from me you lying bitch.

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Nuwen engineered a fake counterwagon to scum to see who would hop.

Notice Nuwen never once voted Amrun

eervr caught AT LEAST TWO scumbuddies from this move.

So, Nuwen/Fate, you don't think Amrun is scum then? You wanted to try and find scum on her wagon, right?

Please tell the crowd here how many times you attempted to contact me privately to ascertain my alignment through conversation.

Wait, you say you didn't? That's weird. I thought for sure that Nuwen said:

Trollie wagon: how many of you has MoS confronted in a way that suggests he's looking for scum on TheTrollie.

You'd think someone with those keeeeeen eyes would want to figure out which scum are taking advantage of the [Trollie] wagon.

Hmm, yup she did. So protown players would make a concerted effort to contact people they think might be scum and confront them? And people who don't do that are scum?

Sounds like Fate and Nuwen are claiming scum by their own definition.

Wait, you say you were busy laying a trap for people and observing from the shadows, and that prevented you from confronting them in person?

Reck/Pie, I leave the trash cleanup to the two of you. I'm done with these clowns.

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LoL look at the scum come out of the woodwork for this one.

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Welcome to the weekend dumbass.

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MoS (:D) - First of all, MoS's in thread content has been shit and shit. He hasn't done much at all except for defend himself half-heartedly and push that retarded trollie "townslip". The way that he's been playing the game is to set up a bunch of hangouts and work on small groups getting townreads on him. Despite being involved in so many of these hangouts, he actually doesn't have anything to bring forth from those hangouts; hell, he actually pushing anyone to lynch until this Amrun vote which has mainly been pushed by Reck and Pie anyways. This shows that he's not really caring much about his reads, which isn't exactly the townMoS that I'm familiar with. MoS normally would be strongarming reads here, bitching at the Trollie wagon for having such retarded reads and

pushing a viable alternative

, but we didn't see any of that. We just saw him setting up more hangouts. There's also the little case of the Amrun vote, which he claims he was involved in... but look at how much posting he actually did about it. He talks about how he stayed behind the scenes and let Amrun think he had her as a townread, but he doesn't bring forward SHIT from their interactions together, all the evidence that's been brought forth is mainly based on Amrun's reactions with everyone else. basically needs to die in a fire ASAP

Nacho, those hangouts were made public and all except the first one were streamed live for anyone who cared to know what went on. The fact that you would AT ALL try to interpret that as me trying to segment the game into small groups for some twisted evil purpose means that you aren't actually trying to think about whether or not I'm scum and are just slinging as much mud as possible my way.

Funny that you bring up Reck and Pie pushing the Amrun lynch...it's almost like you didn't stop to think about the Always on mechanic... Let me share a little conversation with you from last weekend:

MoS: fyi part of the reason I unvoted you is b/c over the weekend I did some thinking and I'm wondering if Amrun tried to get me to start a wagon on you so that she wouldn't have to lead the attack herself...and then it backfired on her a bit because I didn't commit strongly to it

Reck: that's literally the exact same conclusion i was coming to actually

[...]

MoS: I want to observe a little bit more though before letting her know I'm watching her

Reck: let Pie & me go after her

[...]

MoS: oh and for the record I'm just going to say it now, when/if it comes down to it I'll totally own up to my suspicion of Amrun if that somehow goes south...not going to try and distance from it just because you're the one pushing it publicly instead of me

It's almost like I've been pushing a viable alternative this WHOLE TIME. lol...way to pay attention bro. AMURICKA.

Oh and Hito was in on it, too.

The only reason no one has brought forward any reasons Amrun is scum that are based on my private interactions with her is because we didn't want to spoil it by revealing I was feeding them info. So let's go step by step through the Amrun case. In order to avoid this post becoming a wall, I'll put it in a Google Doc and link it for you below:

Amrun Case

Highlights (aka TLDR):

- Amrun: “I kind of feel like he [Reck] just needs to be lynched right away”
- Amrun was ready to back away from the failed Reck wagon and let me take the fall for it even though it was her idea and she tried to bait me into taking responsibility for it.
- Amrun was just throwing buzzwords around to try and distance herself from me in case I continued to get pressure over voting Reck at her behest.
- She was looking for a “buddy” that she could talk to who thought she was town rather than looking for someone SHE thought was town.
- Amrun tried to stall being convinced that TheTrollie was town because he was only a few votes away from being lynched at the time, and Amrun wanted to position herself to vote him. Then, after saying she was convinced...
- Despite supposedly being convinced TheTrollie was town, Amrun made a deal with MattP to vote him anyway, and when confronted said that her word was more important and couldn’t be broken even thought she "regrets" making the deal. She cared more about not breaking her word to someone than about lynching scum.
- She’s just vote-hopping on the backs of other people’s cases and trying to avoid sticking her neck out for anything.

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LOL Fate, it's almost like I just came off of V/LA and finally had the chance to post the case.

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Also amusing that since you know you can't refute anything I said you just fall back on "LULZ EFFORT". It's so lazy it's laughable, bro.

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That's pretty funny Fate since not once have I said you or Nuwen were scumreads...I actually said Nuwen was town ever since she voted TheTrollie (you can ask anyone who was in the hangouts, and i said it in the thread, too), and I only had a nullscum read on you, which put you way down on my list of possible scum.

Who's making up shit now, bitch? Why are you so desperate to link yourself to Nuwen and DeasVail (the second of whom has nothing to do with you)? Where is this imaginary pressure coming from that has you all riled up all if a sudden, Fate? Are you mad that your second mislynch wagon of the day is going to slip away from you?

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Thank you for proving my point, Nuwen. If you were paying attention you'll note that Fate hasn't been a scumread of mine, and thus was not treated as such. It wasn't until he started getting antsy and screechy today that I really considered it more than a slight possibility. So of course I wouldn't have responded to him as a scumread.

Fate is more interested in yelling about how I need to be lynched than actually engaging in a legitimate discussion about things that are happening in this game. Unfortunately, that particular bit is a nulltell because that is how Fate always acts. Hence my complete dismissal of his boring rhetoric. Fate believes that if he yells about something loud enough and long enough it becomes true, but that simply isn't the case.

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TheTrollie wagon wasn't going to go through, and you know it.

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Also, why are you trying so hard to convince me that Fate isn't scum when I am not even trying to get him lynched? Why is questioning Fate's actions such a sacrilege to you, Nuwen? I am allowed to question people that might be town, too, especially when they aren't making any sense.

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How can you not care what my read on Fate is when your whole post was trying to point out that it didn't make sense for me to ha e a scumread on him and react the way I have? The basis of your argument is the false presumption that I want Fate lynched, you can't now say that it doesn't matter...

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Yes they do, because she is predicating her conclusions based on what she thinks my read on Fate is.

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If you disagree, Staeg, you are more than welcome to explain how it would make sense for Nuwen to think it was weird that I was not treating Fate like a scumread if she thought I didn't see him as likely scum...

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Nacho, those hangouts were made public and all except the first one were streamed live for anyone who cared to know what went on. The fact that you would AT ALL try to interpret that as me trying to segment the game into small groups for some twisted evil purpose means that you aren't actually trying to think about whether or not I'm scum and are just slinging as much mud as possible my way.

You mean everyone was involved in those hangouts? And no, it's not that you were trying to segment the game into small groups, it's that you focused on a small group of players to get a townread on you and didn't really do shit as far as seeking people out and specifically getting reads on them went.

I talked to well over half the game outside of the thread...I wasn't really concerned with spending all my time trying to track down the rest of them, because I have better ways to spend my time. It's not like I am the only person in this game who hasn't talked to every single person here. To classify that as a scumtell is really stretching it.

Funny that you bring up Reck and Pie pushing the Amrun lynch...it's almost like you didn't stop to think about the Always on mechanic... Let me share a little conversation with you from last weekend:

bBut when you voted her and the jig was up, you still weren't contributing to the wagon. You were content to ride past on the reck/pie case until you got called out on it.

Where do you think they got their reasons from, Nacho? Reck and Pie got a lit of their case from me because I helped them build the fucking case. I didn't feel the need to reiterate things that had originally come from me in the fucking first place...my most recent post was just a conglomeration of everything I have put together on Amrun whether or not it was already said.

LOL Fate, it's almost like I just came off of V/LA and finally had the chance to post the case.

god that must have been one long V/LA if you haven't had the chance to post anything of value until now[/quote]

Yea, look at my fucking site activity. I voted Amrun on Thursday, and the little time I had in the following 24 hours while I got ready for my guests was taken up by Nuwen posting shit reason after reason for her giant conspiracy trap that

even Amrun doesn't believe

. Then I wasn't even on the site again until briefly on Sunday, after which I crashed from the weekend and finally had a chance to post this morning. So why don't you check your fucking facts next time.

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This wagon is turrible.

Like... turrrrrible.

Amrun needs death, asaply.

QFT

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I like how practically the entire Trollie wagon has switched to me and Amrun is just sitting over there agreeing with the suspicion on me and waiting for her chance to hammer....and nobody on my wagon has actually stopped to consider how suspicious this whole thing is, despite numerous people off the wagon pointing it out.

Nice scum claim, Reck. Too bad for you I have a confirmable power role so have fun explaining why you of all people voted me today when you KNOW I'm not bullshitting.

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Damnit I forgot you didn't have a vote Reck way to ruin my plan I was only going to claim to you and now it's out there oh well.

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respond to me on AIM bitch

I am not on aim that is my home comp I'm at work...use gchat or text me.

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Nope when I get home from work imma find someone to full claim to so my story can be corroborated tomorrow...just not gonna claim my exact ability so scum can try to fuck with me. See, I've thought this through and I intend to make the best use of this game's mechanic that I can. Don't think you can bullshit your way through to a Lynch now because it isn't happening. Better go find another chump bro.

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Fate why are you so bad at this game?

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You getting wagonned D1 as "super confirmable townrole lol" or as scum (yes) shows a lot more about your skill at this game than mine.

Not really, since all but one of the "reasons" presented against me are

factually and provably

false, and the only one that isn't (that I haven't talked to EVERYONE in the game) is barely even arguable as a scumtell. That you think otherwise is really a sad day for you.

Also, at Nuwen's request I've opened up the Amrun Case for comments by the general public. I'm also adding everyone who I have a gmail address for to give them access to edit the document as well.

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Deadlines will be set. A no lynch will occur if no majority is reached by the deadline.

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did you write that as you read the thread MoS and then copy paste it?

I wrote it into the google doc from my chat logs with pie, reck, and others. I've had all of those reasons since before anyone except Pie was even voting Amrun, and well before Pie made a case on her. A large proportion of Pie's case came from things that I gave him that were based on public knowledge (since I didn't want our private convos getting out while I was still observing her). That's why you'll see a bit of overlap between what he has and what I've put down. If necessary I can quote the logs where I told this to other people days ago, but that seems like overkill since they can just confirm it anyway (why the fuck do you think they're all calling me town and saying you're full of shit?).

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MoS: when you want to talk about what's actually going on in the game instead of randomly leveraging accusations at me that you know nothing about because you never attempted to talk to me yet, let me know
MoS: otherwise I'm content to continuing arguing in the game thread, because you've shown me no reason to believe that anything else will be productive
MoS: but I'm willing to reconsider potentially
Nuwen: Nope.
Nuwen: We'll see what the nightgame does.

WTF is this shit.

"Hey MoS you're scum because I think you didn't bother to confront scumreads in private to find out of they're scum."

"Hey MoS I don't want to talk to you in private because I think you're scum."

LOLOLOLOLOL

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EBWOP (in bold):

MoS: when you want to talk about what's actually going on in the game instead of randomly leveraging accusations at me that you know nothing about because you never attempted to talk to me yet, let me know
MoS: otherwise I'm content to continuing arguing in the game thread, because you've shown me no reason to believe that anything else will be productive
MoS: but I'm willing to reconsider potentially
Nuwen: Nope.
Nuwen: We'll see what the nightgame does.

WTF is this shit.

"Hey MoS you're scum because I think you didn't bother to confront scumreads in private to find out

if

they're scum."

"Hey MoS I don't want to talk to you in private because I think you're scum."

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Invites for the hangout posted, based on who I have in my Always On circle. If you didn't get an invite it's because I don't have your email or you haven't been in a hangout yet. I'll try to go through the contact list and figure out who got missed. If you haven't ever given me your gmail update the contact list or you won't be able to get in.

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Only person I think I missed (who has a gmail listed) was Staeg, who has now been added as well.

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Will also be streamed once we get started

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Live Hangout

Get the fuck in here.

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A large proportion of Pie's case came from things that I gave him that were based on public knowledge (since I didn't want our private convos getting out while I was still observing her).

yep.

A large proportion of Pie's case came from things that I gave him that were based on public knowledge (since I didn't want our private convos getting out while I was still observing her).

yep.

A large proportion of Pie's case came from things that I gave him that were based on public knowledge (since I didn't want our private convos getting out while I was still observing her).

yep.

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MOD SAID FARADAY IS SCUM EVERYONE LYNCH HIM.

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Yea everything in my Amrun case was paraphrased from things I wrote to other people in my logs, there isn't any new material there, it's all confirmable.

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LOLOLOL

MoS: 1

NuFate: 0

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Yea cuz it's obviously a trick to make people think I'm town lololololol

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HAI PANZER VOTE AMRUN SHE'S SCUM.

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HAI PANZER VOTE NACHO HE'S AMURICKA.

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that's homophobic.

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well I am black so yea.

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that's racist.

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Dating Game Show 2 (2011) -

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Your OMGUS is showing. Put it away.

You clearly don't know what coaching and fencesitting even is.

I'm really tired of this conversation.

Just shoot me and save the walls.

Always On (2012) -

I think I had a townread on MoS before but I can't remember why and I'm feeling vaguely scummish on him as well. He said to me that he thinks Reck's scumslip could have been genuine, but

the way he's gone about pushing it has come across as very fence-sitty and wishy washy.

Bolding mine. WHAT!? Amrun claims to know what

fencesitting

means?

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Nacho and I just made a discovery while arguing about TheTrollie.

Me: I'm Sicilian
Trollie: ok funnyboy I guess I'll have to see about that

The fact that TheTrollie used the word "funnyboy" here indicates that he didn't fully believe MattP's claim, which completely supports TheTrollie's line of thinking in that he made that statement as ambiguous as possible to keep MattP guessing as to whether he was NY mafia or a town Power Role (either way MattPscum and MattPtown would want him alive).

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OH SHIT GAIZ MOS IS INVITING PEOPLE TO HANGOUTS TO GET TOWNREADS ON HIMSELF LOLOLOL LYNCH HIM

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What the flying fuck happened in here.

Bad players happened. Mostly Fate derping around like his usual bad self. Can anyone say Prozac's Basic Theme 3 with me? Yeaaaaaaaa

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I see you avoiding this thread, Amrun...

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LoL nothing drastic has happened in thread? Really? Can we quote you on that?

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On an unrelated note, thought of another reason Trollie is obvtown. If he was really NY mafia he wouldn't have any good reason to be claiming to his Sicilian counterpart. It's the Sicilians that want to be able to claim/hint to the NY group who they are, not the other way around. NY mafia have no reason o claim to the other team, because there's WAY too much risk for little to no reward. It's a suicide mission, so I don't see how anyone could think Trollie was doing it seriously.

P-Edit: kdowns just fucking vote Amrun already you've been saying she's scum for like 5 days now.

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If trollie was town, he'd either have posted to clarify things/answer people's questions or replaced out by now!

He came in a hangout and explained himself live on the air.

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PEDIT: If trollie was scum, he'd have not lurked so obviously, therefore making himself stick out!

He was already sticking out a lot though, and if he is scum, then lurking has obviously worked well for him.

The problem for me is that everyone seems to be focusing on the whole NY/Sicilian thing, but I don't even think that's very scummy.

What I find most scummy about Trollie are some of the things that Nacho has already brought up:

-This quote: "if you people are going to vote based on the verdict of one man instead of trying to talk to me and decide for yourself we are going to have problems this entire game", which implies that Matt was lying even though he never actually says that.

His original quote where he called MattP "funnyboy" immediately after he claimed Sicilian implies that he doesn't believe everything MattP says...

That's not really relevant, though, since the quote you posted here has nothing to do with MattP lying, because MattP could wholly believe what he says and it would STILL be a terrible idea to vote based on the verdict of one man, especially one man who has proven himself to have such terrible reads this game.

-His 505, which was really pointless, but he doesn't do anything else.

You think calling someone out on a fake claim when they are trying to use it push through the final few votes to get you lynched is

pointless

??? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

-Also the fact that he talks about considering replacing out but never does.

TheTrollie was considering replacing out for personal reasons...I'm not going to go into details because they really have nothing to do with this game and it's not my business to air it out anywhere that it hasn't already been posted. Regardless, thinking he's scum because he didn't replace out is just

retarded

.

Oh, and Nacho is reconsidering his Trollie read, so maybe you should continue sheeping him and not generating any case of your own and

GET THE FUCK OFF THIS SHITTY TROLLIE WAGON

.

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Me: Mhm, last time I played on a scumteam with him... I was to see the wagon through.

I 100000% never got this message.

Not that it would really matter, since the last time Espeonage played on a scumteam with me he flaked out of the game completely and never actually paid attention to what was going on, completely screwing me and the rest of our scumteam in the process as he singlehandedly lost us the game. So he really had no justification bringing that up in reference to a vote on me.

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you told me too

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I'm sorry, I'm not moving my vote because of a confirmable claim known only to Reck, even if Reck is town.

MoS, would you mind having a third party corroborate that your claim is worth not killing you over? Say.... Hito or Nacho?

Right cuz I'm going to tell my claim to one person who refused to back me up despite having been in on the Amrun plan from the beginning or another person who tried his hardest to get me lynched for the last week. Neither of which I have strong town reads on, by the way.



Do you actually know how to play this game LLD?

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Doesn't matter we already have an ironclad case.

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LoL you want me to claim to scum? LMFAO

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My god Amrun could you get scummier? Like I honestly don't think you said a single thing that read as protown in that ENTIRE wall.

Wait, no, the stuff about AGar was ok. That's about it, though.

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Just means that you can't explain your way out of that quote by saying you misinterpreted something. You've been caught in a blatant lie, scum.

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Not switching to Plum because that wagon is still idiotic and no one has made a good case yet. Not to mention that the list of people voting on that wagon is quite frankly deplorable.

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I ONLY FOLLOW THE TRUE AMISHED

that being said, I did some reanalysis and I still think Plum is scum.

MoS, I don't think that Trollie's original intention was to simultaneously softclaim scum and investigative role. For one, I don't think he's the type of player who would think to do both at once like that, and for two, the fact that he continually said "I want Mattscum to think that I am scum as well" without mentioning the investigative bit so much kind of shows what he was aiming for. I am greatly saddened because I wanted to play with Plum because she's a cool person and all, but she replaced into a scum slot and so must die.

In addition, the only counterwagon (on Amrun) is not on scum, SOOOO

You're wrong. TheTrollie DID specifically mention the investigative breadcrumb multiple times both in thread and in the logs we were shown between himself and MattP.

If you look at MattP's ISO 25 and 27, you see that both comments from TheTrollie came up as part of the SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION. Why are you so goddamn oblivious, Nacho? It's like you aren't even paying attention to the facts of what happened.

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Is it possible to get a 36 hour Espeonage wagon going?

Why Espeonage?

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that would be pretty stupid.

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Plum, you should probably vote Amrun before the scumfucks push through a mislynch on you.

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Just lynch Amrun already. We're not compromising on Plum.

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Vote: Plum

Herpderp

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I don't even know what to say...this kinda flips my plans for tonight on end... :/

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I don't even know what to say...this kinda flips my plans for tonight on end... :/

Heh heh
You better have a nice bit of confirmable stuff come the morrow

That's not really important right now. I'm much more concerned about what to do with my ability tonight, since I need to completely reevaluate my view of this game.

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If only that was remotely a logical conclusion, Nacho...then I might take you seriously.

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But see, that's where your problem is. You don't realize that Plum's flip clears me of being NY mafia.

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Have you played with me before?

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Like, seriously, anyone who has EVER seen my scum game before now knows 100% for sure that I am not scumbuddies with Plum/Trollie.

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Like, seriously, anyone who has EVER seen my scum game before now knows 100% for sure that I am not scumbuddies with Plum/Trollie.

And this is the most incriminating post you have made.

You should know better, seriously. You've been my halfwit dipshit scumbuddy before. Oh wait, you weren't paying attention that game at all, so you

have no fucking idea how I play as scum

.

V/LA this week for Shea-Meat.

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MoS is Sicillian not NY?

Who literally gives a fuck

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zzz can we kill MoS yet.

Everyone should make some post that would be ironic if they ended up dead right after they posted it

So, I'm not really a power role...

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You didn't really read Fate's post, did you Reck?

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LLD is a fucking idiot.

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Vote: Mastermind of Sin

to solidify my place on this beautiful beautiful wagon.
let's hear results and things now.

Reminder 1: Any power roles that exist that have a "result" from the mod will be doled out over the next 12 hours. If there are more than 1 of these, they will be in random order (random.org).

Reading is tech, broski.

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Pie get on skype later

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Vote: DeasVail

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Says the guy who thought I was scum. =P

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Says the guy who thought I was scum. =P

Defending scum = ?????

You fucking sheep people with real reads this game. DeasVeil is pretty obvtown this game. Vote for Hito.

Attacking obvtown power roles = ?????

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Vote: hito

this looks fun.

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If you want to break 1 rule why not break 2?

NO I WONT I WANT MOS'S BLOOD

lol you so bad

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and no I'm not revealing any more information about my role at this point. Enough has gotten out already, and a select group of people have already talked to me since the night and can confirm I'm not mafia (of either flavor).

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kdowns/DV/AGar/???, not in that order.

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I can't be in, I'm at Shea-meat still. Feel free to do one without me though I'm sure someone can figure it out lol

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I was hoping the scum would waste their ticket on LLD or blah blah blah.

Wait. If you knew LLD was gambiting town, why did you want her dead?

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I think it's really obvious but I'm going to let Amrun field it because I don't see the point in doing the work for her.

Still, really disappointed in the lack of critical thinking from Staeg and Pie.

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No, Amrun is scum and should die a fiery death. C'mon MoS, use your brain.

I didn't say Amrun was town. I'm still unsure about her, but that doesn't mean I'm going to support such obviously flawed and oblivious posting.

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Vote: kdowns

This fight looks sketchy.

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Nacho, she already stuck her neck out to try and lynch me when there was a perfectly good (in her eyes, anyway) Trollie lynch that was already at like L-3. So I think those kinda cancel each other out...

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btw if kdowns is scum he's clearly sicilian. He's definitely not NYscum.

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Unvote

to get some more discussion. Still ok with his lynch.

kdowns, I was more referring to your part of the fight, not Amrun's.

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fuck now I think kdowns is town.

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but then again what do I know I thought Trollie was town

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GODDAMNIT KDOWNS WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM WITH HITO IT'S SO FUCKING OBVIOUS YOU AREN'T NY SCUM

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Vote: AGar

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Because of his reaction to the Trollie/Amrun wagons. If he was NY scum he wouldn't have killed the Amrun-momentum we had by stalling his vote for like 5 days until it was almost deadline, especially since everyone was telling him to vote her and there was no good reason anyone would suspect him of being scum for adding to our case.

So if anything, that behavior could be Sicilian but not NY.

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This has nothing to do with hito.

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I already did. Pay attention.

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Told you kdowns wasn't NY mafia. dumbasses.

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If we guessed our numbers correctly.

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So, we don't have any Sicilians yet. Any guesses on a group?

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Nachomamma8 - Possible scum, probably town
xReckonerx - Probably town
InflatablePie - Probably town
Amrun - Decent likelihood of being Sicilian, especially given the way she reacted to LLD being sketch
BBMolla - Could definitely be Sicilian, hasn't been protown all game, but then there's GreyICE.
Nuwen - Probably town
Espeonage - Probably town, but no good reason not to be scum
Grimmjow - Probably town, but who knows
esuriospiritus - Likely town
kdowns - Possible scum, probably town
DeathRowKitty - Possible scum, null
Panzerjager - Likely town
Staeg - Possible scum

In order (scum to town):

Staeg
Amrun
BBmolla
DRK
kdowns
Nacho
Espeonage
Grimmjow
Reck
Pie
Nuwen
esurio
Panzer

If we have 3 sicilian left, I'm figuring 2 of that top 5 list and 1 of the remaining.

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Waiting for night results to go out before I say anything.

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First guess, I'd say the sicilian team is Staeg/BBmolla and one of Amrun/Nacho.

Vote: Staeg

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Guys, the mod just confirmed a mistake to me in my results from last night. I now have role information that says there are exactly 2 living mafia in this game. That changes things a little bit. It must have been a 3-2 split of NY/Sicilian, so we need to be looking for pairs, not a larger group.

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Oh, and a quick iso of BBmolla has convinced me he's the play for today. Just look at his voting history, if nothing else.

Unvote, Vote: BBmolla

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Just ISO him and look at his votes. Also take into account that it's BBmolla and his favorite scum activity is weak bussing.

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Oh yea multiball.

I just threw that one in for effect anyway.

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Happily Ever After is a TOWN win, decided if there is ever a Day No Lynch followed by a Night No Kill followed by a Day No Lynch, followed by a No Kill. If mafia is still attempting to buy tickets, this will not kick in.

Vote: No Lynch

Whoever the vig is should not kill tonight.

Also, mod, you should check your color tags in the OP.

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BTW I fully expect the sicilians are contemplating sacrificing one of themselves with a guilty result fake claim 1v1 on someone tomorrow. That's basically their only play, to convince us to lynch someone before HEA kicks in. We just No Lynch today and again tomorrow, and either the game will be over or we'll know for sure that it was 1 NY and 1 Sicilian remaining, and we'll still have a huge advantage.

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Note to all games: I'm probably not going to post much (if at all) for the next 24 hours or so. I need to step away from the site for a bit. I'll reevaluate when I get back.

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That just guarantees ONE NY AND ONE SICILLIAN (wtf?), which in turn implies a very strong Sicillian power.

Yup. Which means this was a very fucked up setup.

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Wait. What if Zoraster put in a clause that says the Sicilians take over the factional kill if all their NY brethren die? Hmm...

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That would imply it's an SK who hasn't killed until...Night 4? Or the NY mafia have been trying to recruit for a very long time...

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I seriously doubt that there's only one Sicillian. Creating a ticket-recruiting mechanism and allowing scum to shoot own mafia when there is just one person to be recruited is just stupid. The clause is also fairly unlikely because it's basically a "oh, you fucked up and half of the scumteam wiped out almost instantly without recruiting anyone? well fuck. here's chance number two!". Also, there would be no reason to send tickets after recruiting one sicillian... which might make sense, I don't know.

what i do know is this

Vote: kdowns

The only way there's more than one Sicilian left is if they can kill now that their NY buddies are wiped out.

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Vote: Staeg

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There were only 3 NY if there are 2 Sicilians.

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Also, I think we might have a lying power role somewhere.

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Yup we definitely have a lying PR.

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Staeg is today's lynch.

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How long have people suspected you? How many people have you contacted with questions?

This. It's not like, you know, you've responded when I contacted you outside the thread, Staeg.