Open 439 - Less Pressure - Final

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I knew it. I just knew it. I was gonna RVS voided. I had it typed out, then I had to leave for a few minutes. I had it planned out from when I saw the full playerlist for this game.

Meh, I don't care.

VOTE: Voidedmafia

For screwing up the modding in my first game.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

It doesn't count as ongoing before the restart, does it?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Pretty obviously you. You're both confirmed innocents.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Must build counterwagon to save jigglypuff!

*falls asleep because of jigglypuff*

Aaaagh! I'm not standing for that!

VOTE: PMysterious

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

It's the very first vote of the game. Yes, it's RVS. And, to be fair, it WAS a pretty big screw-up.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Here's the thread from the post that starts the whole confusion.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=336

And yeah, we need more people to post loads. Or at least a little bit more than they have already.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Looks like OMGUS.

I don't understand what the problem with OMGUS as RVS is, though.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

VOTE: Noctis Nox

I think that's L-1. Do NOT quickhammer.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Whoops. I counted your vote on page 1 as well as your vote just there when I skimmed for votes.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Voided, that just went waaay over my head.

It is actually L-2. Not L-1. I counted 1 vote on each page, and the page 1 vote was followed by an unvote.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Same reason as with all my early game votes really. Randomness and bandwagonness.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Noctis, why should we unbandwagonate you?

Also, we need a votecount...

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay. Two things. Firstly, something strikes me kinda off about trevor after rereading for votes.
UNVOTE: Noctis_Nox
VOTE: Trevor

Secondly, a vote count!

PMysterious - L-4 (Mortonfrh)
noctis_nox - L-3 (Trevor, DarkLightA)
Trevor - L-4 (Siveure DtTrikyp)
Siveure DtTrikyp - L-4 (Jaden)
Mortontfrh - L-4 (Noctis Nox)

Not Voting: Voidedmafia, Pmysterious.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

That's a pretty good way to say I'm a newb. "I like wagonning," is all I've got.

Also, erm, why is there a random quote from trevor in the middle of that case?

The noctis wagon jump was mostly due to the pmysterious wagon having sorta dried up. Or well, just not got anywhere.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Gunny, there is no reason for my votes other than gut feel on trevor and "I <3 bandwagons." I think his avatar may have something to do with it for trevor.

I got off the noctis wagon for the exact same reason as the pmysterious wagon. That being the complete lack of response to the wagon, aka wasn't going anywhere. I was feeling a little iffy about the wagon after noctis prod dodged, ignoring the wagon and got another iffy after rereading Trevor.

Voided, you're supposed to push pressure wagons?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Gunny is scum. He's throwing way too much suspicion around. 4 scum in a pool of 5 is excessive.

VOTE: Drmyshotgun

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Voided, gunny has said, individually, that he thinks myself, noctis, pmysterious and trevor are scum.

The only person who could be scum that he hasn't said is scum, is jaden. And that's not a town read. Gunny is just throwing suspicion everywhere.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Oh. Erm. Whoops.

Well, darklight does have a point. And gunny has just been really aggressive.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Trevor:

I'm waiting for what noctis has to say. Townread on Siveure

Why Townread, Trevor? What do you expect Noctis to say?

5 days people. Where the fuck are noctis and jaden. I don't have a read on pretty much anyone.

Why that's good to know. And it's very helpful too.
Now, why would you acknowledge 5 Days to deadline and ask where Noctis and Jaden is, if you don't expect anything from them?
You just saying those to look Town, and get credits for saying things others know already?
Trevor on my scum-list too.

Here's for trevor, I acknowledge that you didn't call Pmysterious scum.

You're throwing suspicion everywhere and are being aggressive so no-one calls you on it.

Also, I think pm is probably gunny's scumbuddy.

PEdit: Trevor is a gut scum read, and nothing more.

My reads are

PMysterious - Is the one person gunny isn't attacking as scum, so could be relying on that to coast through to victory tomorrow. Little bit townie otherwise.
Trevor - Gut scum read.
noctis_nox - Hasn't said anything. Lurkishness is scum?
ImJadenYuki - Not much. Gut townie.
drmyshotgun - Scum. Too controlling on the game.

Listings:
Town: Pmysterious,
Null Leaning Town: Jaden
Null Leaning Scum: Trevor, Noctis
Scum: Gunny

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Much as gunny needs to be lynched, it's not deadline yet.

I'm fairly sure it's in another two days.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Point against Gunny from post 110 for apparantly forgetting he listed Trevor as a scumread, but point against siv as well for using the other IC to try and substatiate a case (sheeping is slightly better when you admit to it, yknow?). I don't really believe that sort of meta on Gunny, anyways.

Does that count as sheeping? Didn't realize it was, sorry voided.

PMysterious - Is the one person gunny isn't attacking as scum, so could be relying on that to coast through to victory tomorrow. Little bit townie otherwise.

Wait, how is PM town at all when he hasn't posted anything that's remotely town?

Are you sure this isn't a confusion of townish and helpful? He gives off an aura of townie with the whole lynching thing and being depressed over not being IC, even if he has contributed nothing to scumhunting

drmyshotgun - Scum. Too controlling on the game.

I see activity and scumhunting. Where do you see control?

He's portrayed everyone as somewhat scummy - thus he can try to mislynch wherever he likes.
Also, I guess it's just a "Don't touch me" sort of feeling I get from him

@Noctis, Saying you're a mislynch isn't a scumslip. It is somewhat scummy that he calls me out for my apparent contradiction of PM looking town, yet very possibly being gunny's partner, when he himself has said a similar thing about noctis.

Anyone care to put more votes on gunny?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I need to be a lot less lazy. Going to do a re-read on everything so far.

UNVOTE: drmyshotgun

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Not sure what happened to re-reads post earlier. I think I might have been right in what I said about gunny, just not what I applied it to - It's not "everyone is scummy" it's "Everything is scummy."
He's called out every post by several people , and a few posts from other people, as "scum trying to do X". Scum does not make that many obvious scumslips, gunny.

Also, is it a slip that he's called out numerous people for "doing X to look town." Why would this be on his mind so much if he weren't doing it himself?

I don't like what he's done in the last page at ALL.

But this guy looks like the easiest mislynch in the world possible.
Get replaced Noctis.

Okay. That should be enough if the person who gets replaced is a worthy person.

(Pmysterious replacing out)

I already asked for a replacement. I don't want to be called a fucking idiot.

So you replacing out = all charges against you dissolves?
Serious?
I say we lynch this dude so that we don't trouble the replacee and the Mod.
His slot is scumslot. No way someone would flake the game as Town just because they got called out useless.

So, right. You wanted noctis to replace out, you were happy with pm being replaced, and now you want to lynch noctis after he's getting replaced before the replacement comes? Seriously?

OmNom: My original theory on pmysterious/gunny scum was due to gunny basically narrowing the lynch pool down to anyone except pmysterious, so that they could cruise to a win together. This is worthless, compared to the actual townie read on pmysterious and om.

Trevor - still has gut scum.

Noctis - Useless. The alignment neutral sort of useless.

Jaden - No idea. Not enough posted. I lean a little towards scum for gut, again.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Boooo!! @Siveure.
"Scums don't make that many obvious scumslips, gunny"??
So you agree that they ARE scumslips? And that they ARE obvious?
So what makes you ignore them? Cuz they're too out there to be true?
It goes without saying that most of those slips are from YOU Siveure.

Seriously? You're going to twist my words into a confession?

Look, if you're going for scum, it's going to be generally a single mistake that reveals them. It might be being waaay too over-the-top at dropping scum-tells. You've said that pretty much every single thing I've done so far is scummy. Do you seriously believe that?

Also, nice parrot you've got there.
You actually gave a FULL TOWN READ on PMysterious, remember?
And now you are saying you THOUGHT I was scum with PMysterious?? What the fuck?
Seriously, you flip-flopping in this game like crazy, no-one bothering to call those out, bewilders me.
Nice choosing to ignore everything else.

I did. And I said pm might be scum with you. At the same time. Connections can be a way to find scum. Not as important a way as other ways.

I would go on everything else, it's just a little hard with all your fluff in the thread.

I wanted Noctis to do some serious WORK. He wasn't doing any for the Town.
So you saying you would just leave him be, never contribute, show up after prods and say two liner like: "Busy, what now?"??
How is that Pro-Town?
I asked him to get replaced because he wasn't doing anything for us.
If he is Town, he should be.

No. The issue is that you are trying to lynch noctis AFTER HE IS GETTING REPLACED. Before the replacement shows up.

Serious misrepping there.

"I don't like what he's done in the last page at ALL."??
LOLOLOLOLOL.
Not sure if you are trolling us or whatever bullshit you are doing there Siveure.
You actually is supposed to have disliked virtually everything I've done so far.
Having short term memory loss now? How many critical mental disease are you carrying? Of course, there's an easy explanation for that: You are SCUM.

Simple. I was somewhat reconsidering lynching you, and you've validated my scumread on yourself, by what you did in the last page.

PEdit: Just what? We don't need fluff.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Voided, I'm pretty sure it's not om.

That leaves Trevor/Jaden/Noctis as scums.

Also, it IS LyLo. While the chances of a triple quickhammer by scum is low, we don't want to lose if it does happen.

Also, one of the first two will be? Will be what?

PEdit: BOTH of you unvote.

FoS: Trevor (in lieu of a vote).

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

??? Excuse me?

Anyway, who are my theoretical partners?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Om, why am I scum?

Trevor, you're going to push jaden for not being on the site? This is LyLo.

Also, you called me scum by PoE because Om is town, yet you say my partner if I'm scum is possibly Om? And also that if I'm scum, my partner might not be jaden, who you are 100% confident in being scum? What?

Anyway, I think everyone should give their opinion on who the full scumteam is.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

AKA "I'm here and ready to vote Trevor, if any partners are ready".

This is a nightless game
Mafia have daytalk

That's a townslip from trevor. I've been kinda confused on this, and with all the contradictions he's done I was kinda waiting to see his explanation with me thinking him=scum. There still IS none, but meh.

Anyway, doesn't matter which of om and trevor is scum. We can just lynch noctis and jaden, and regardless of which of the other two is scum they lose anyway.

VOTE: Jaden

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Mod, I will be V/LA from 23rd to 25th August (Thursday-Saturday)

Noted. Prod timer has stopped for you. ~Fei

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

What? I'd rather try to scumhunt than yell "I'm town town town! Don't lynch me please!" at everything.

Besides, it IS 3/5 being scum. Narrowing it down to 3/4 means next to nothing. Although voided, just because noctis could be a bad townie doesn't mean he IS.

Also, err, not quite sure on trevor. I need to sloow this down.

UNVOTE: Jaden

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

V/LA starts tomorrow morning.

My scumspects are you and jaden by PoE. Mostly trevor though, as I think him not reading the setup isn't that big a deal, on reflection.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Back from V/LA

His defenses were scummy.

Not.

The lack of quickhammering of either of the two people with one vote says that either A.) Scum aren't coordinated enough to be able to do so without being highly suspect in between, B.) One scum is already voting, or C.) Both wagons (or possibly just one) are on scum). I would be pretty surprised if neither BK or Siv weren't scum, so C must be partially correct. I'm not entirely sure about the overlaps on the non-confirmed, so I don't know for certain if A is correct or not. As for B, since I do think Trevor is scum, that means that to me B is correct.

If it's BK with Noctis, then it's probably A, because jaden was ridiculously inactive, and noctis hasn't been on the site since bk came in. That said, we don't want to risk it. Not sure why I didn't do this beforehand.

UNVOTE: Whoever

PEdit: Voided. Om is not scum because of PMysterious's actions.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

PoE says BK is scum. But not voting on him yet.

But yeah, dark and voided need to keep votes off except for hammer.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Wow. Erm. I need to clear my head when I look at this.

VOTE: Bk

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay.

Yeah.

UNVOTE: BK

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Actually, dark, what is the real difference between L-1 and L-2? A quickhammer can happen by the scums any time. And I honestly find it impossible bk is town. Trevor is another scum. I doubt noctis and om are both scum though.

Om/Noctis/Trevor just seems a little unlikely as the scumteam in my opinion.

Hrmm.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Agh. I tried isoing people for interactions but it just went into mush.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I didn't put all my faith on the vote. I just sheeped onto BK, really.

I was getting proof by checking again, and that epic faileded.

The only thing I've really gotten is that trevor has basically had jaden/bk as main suspect, for really crappy reasons. And voting jaden/bk, while constantly throwing suspicion at me... the main thing this points to is trevor/bk scum, for a stupid bus/distancing attempt.

I can see how people could construe that as trevor/siv scum, with bk being town, but meh. It's trevor/bk, definitely.

VOTE: BK

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Om, not if you aren't.

Trevor + Noctis is the scumteam.

I really have no idea what to say.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Ew. Why noctis?

Also, who's the second scum?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Ew. Why noctis?

Also, who's the second scum?

You are saying that it's me/OotN?

No. I am not. Now please answer the questions.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I'll answer that after trevor answers my questions.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay.

Little bit of a contradiction/mistake because he's saying noctis scum by PoE, AFAICT, but can't say who the partner is because everyone else has town reads.

Voided, I think it's trevor/noctis, and this is a last desperate gambit to distance. I'd be fine lynching either one.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Then why aren't you voting noctis?

Because I want to play it safe, and not rush the lynch. This IS LyLo. Also, if this is a gambit, it's very well done.

That said, we're going nowhere.

VOTE: Trevor

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Way to make yourself obvious. If you think it is me/noctis, why do you refuse to vote noctis?

You've been scummy. Noctis has been purely PoE by the very strong town read on Om, and association with Bk. I'd rather lynch correctly than quickly.

I think it's about
95% trevor
80% Noctis, now Rach
25% Om

As for how likely the scumteam is to be anyone.

Would really like to see what rach has to say.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Erm... There is none. I think that I was thinking about trevor's association with Bk/Jaden and applied it to noctis by mistake.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Except for 2 on who are town. Don't worry, we'll find them eventually. Being an Innocent Child would've actually helped me more than anyone else. Now I'm stuck as a safe lynch.

Useless!? Now I really don't even wanna try to convince myself. LYNCH ME! JUST LYNCH ME NOW! If you think I'm useless, give me your freaking votes!

This is the main townie points from pmyseterious to me. In my mind, offering yourself as a lynch is townish, and that's what he's doing.

Hrmm. That's definitely my meta, but that's not the way he's doing it. Meh.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I'm amazed we won.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Oh yeah. I was going to apologise to gunny for the really crappy lynch. This is how all my games offsite seemed to go, except worse.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Nah that was what you guys needed. Lol. Why'd you apologize for scum lynching town?

I apologize because, as I said, this is how all my pre-mafiascum games went, and I was generally in your position this game, even if I did way worse.