NY 159: RUST game over

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Claim. Town miller.

vote:Zabgriel

You rhyme with my real name.

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Unvote:
Vote: roflcopter

found scum.

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you're funny

why are you sheeping the bird?

Unvote:
Vote: roflcopter

found scum.

Not sure if serious. Since sarcasm transmits very poorly over the Internet, I'll be going under the assumption that you are.

That's quite a bold statement. I seriously doubt an experienced player would attempt to bandwagon a player in RVS as scum, especially when they're only the third player out of a necessary nine to lynch. There's nothing to gain from such an endeavor and quite a bit to lose. I would expect experienced scum to avoid being any more than a second vote on a person during RVS to avoid bringing any needless attention to themselves.

so you're saying we should be looking at all the players that either voted first, or did not put the third vote on someone?

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UNVOTE

Alright, which one of you little boogers is a ... booger?
...

i eat my boogers, if that's what you're into?

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I like my vote

UNVOTE

Alright, which one of you little boogers is a ... booger?
...

unvote:
Vote: Tazaro

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i could go for zabriel, bloodcovenant or rob right now. zabriel best bet.

well, tell me then. Why zabriel?

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Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

or you may have just outed the cop.

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Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

or you may have just outed the cop.

or you may be role fishing way too hard right now

I'm not rolefishing. I'm clearly looking at your reasoning in a different perspective. You're single minded, you thought of only one possibility with his post, i looked at it a different way. suddenly that makes me role fishing. No, it doesn't.

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ebwop2:

and if that did actually "out the cop" its on you for saying that stupid shit out loud and not on me for saying something else entirely

(the actual argument which you ignored to spout your bullshit, which in this business we call a strawman)

oh bullshit. Any player could look at Zabriels post, and your reasoning behind it and deduce the same logic that I did. I had no read at all on Zabriel, but you immediately have a scum read based off his reaction to my claim, which might i add your reasoning for a scum read is shaky as hell.

And the bold above is just complete bullshit.

As for your questions in Post #26 i was mostly being sarcastic and trying to start the game. Sure, you weren't really sheeping. Everything before my #29 (side from my claim) was nonsensical, and i was trying to start conversation.

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I think I can see it now.

VOTE: zabriel

Wow. Miller claim already.

Seems legit. BC=Obvtown

.

I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny.

I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

These two posts do not equate.

Yeah, sure it looks like he's backing off since i took heat. He's attempting to distance himself from me.

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Yeah, sure it looks like he's backing off since i took heat. He's attempting to distance himself from me.

If he's town and is getting a different read on you than us, he should contribute and argue against us. If he can lay down a clear case for you being town, then that's not scummy at all. That's good play. It's only scummy when he's claiming you're ObvTown when there's nothing to substantiate that. The only reason to distance is if he's scum. And there you go defending him again.

Rob, how do

you

play as miller? this is my second game as miller, and by the looks of it i haven't learned from the first one.

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unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow. BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

Unvote:
Vote: Zabriel

Actually.... only Zabriel's actions implicate me. Nothing that i did implicates Zab.

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I think I can see it now.

VOTE: zabriel

Wow. Miller claim already.

Seems legit. BC=Obvtown

.

I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny.

I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

These two posts do not equate.

Yeah, sure it looks like he's backing off since i took heat. He's attempting to distance himself from me.

Zab, can you please explain these two posts?

BC, can you please explain what you mean by "distancing"? I have only heard this term in reference to scum distancing themselves from another.

what is he distancing himself from?

He's distancing himself from me, which on page two was flailing town. Sure, i'm playing poorly but i've been misrepp'd and didn't take enough time to think through my posts. People are misinterpreting posts of mine and using that against me.

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uhhhh?

I claim miller.
Zab says "yeah, BC is legit town"
Then when Zab gets confronted about his statement, he backs off because he knows he could be lynched because of my poor play.

It's not the same kind of distancing between scum partners in my opinion. It's more of me being a leper and no one wants to be connected to me, town or scum.

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why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

The only thing that i have done that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. On page 1, Zab's post was sketchy enough for Roflcopter to deduce that Zab's is scum. He believes that Zab's flip flop implies that I am scum as well, as scum wouldn't want another player of theirs in the hotseat.

Zab is distancing himself from me because i'm basically poison.... if that makes any sense.

unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow.

BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

Unvote:
Vote: Zabriel

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pregame game talk? what pregame talk?

It's an assumption. IMO, the other players assume that we are both scum and we made a gambit.

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I am not sure why I am not understanding what exactly you are saying. I dont know if you are back tracking or if I am completely misunderstanding you.

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

I worded the line poorly i guess. I probably should have put a

comma

right after together, making it read as such:
"The only thing that i have done that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together, is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

Maybe you are misunderstanding me, maybe i'm confused as well.

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why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

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Some light reading.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12105

Link to role: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p1919506

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why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

That was trying to start conversation and get us out of the RVS.

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you are not really answering the question though

you said...

"The only thing that

i have done

that

would make people believe

that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

What

have you done

, in this game,

to make people believe

that you and Zab have had pregame talk?

I am asking you, what you did in this game, that would make people believe you and Zab are scum (pregame scum chat). You said you did something, what did you do?

I dont think I can ask this any other way.

Claiming Miller i guess.

It really feels like you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

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I worded the line poorly i guess. I probably should have put a

comma

right after together, making it read as such:
"The only thing that

i have done

that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together,

is if

we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. "

Have you done it or not?

the bolded is the problem in that sentence.

No, i am not scum, nor am on a scum team >.>

I was showing CKD what i think the other players are assuming.

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why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing.

They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning

. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

I never said, implied, or suggested that i had any read whatsoever on Zab.

You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make. Presenting someone as a possible cop sounds like a town read to me.

That was trying to start conversation and get us out of the RVS.

okay, scratch that last post..

vote BC

the trying to start conversation bullshit is super scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

who are you going after when i flip town?

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who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

No, i'm not appealing to anything. You guys think we're both scum. So if you lynch Zab first, and he by some chance flips scum, i'm the next lynch. But, if you guys decide to lynch me, where will you be as far as information? Will you immediately lynch Zab then? That type of rush play is not helpful for the town, it only benefits scum. Because at best we'll have 1 scum lynch and 1 townie lynch, at worst 2 townies lynched.

Claiming Miller i guess.

It really feels like you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

wait what? I am not putting fucking words in your mouth I trying to understand what the fuck you are saying.

btw "claiming miller" in no way links you to "pregame scum chat with Zab"....I think you are backtracking, I caught you in at least one slip, and now you are trying a different tactic by discrediting me?

what words am I putting in your mouth? quote the post.

" Claiming Miller " - is the supposed gambit.

I said it feel's like your putting words in my mouth.

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If it was a pregame chat gambit, you wouldn't have planned this far ahead.

I feel it's more likely a gambit you decided to try yourself without talking to your team. but then we may be overthinking the miller claim, since a large theme ended recently (and nominated for a scummie) in which a miller claim made endgame.

I guess you don't know me very well, i don't read games that i'm not in, or games that progress after i'm dead.

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Most recent town game is a long one, i replaced in around page 65. This was the first game i played this year.

Link to game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22826

Link to first post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4331890

For Scum games, we're gonna have to go back a few years....

Caffwagon invitational: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15299

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Unvote

At the same time, I do want to note that BC played significantly differently in his linked miller game than he did this one (at least the bit that I read). He seems to more actively and logically scum-hunt in the linked game.

Unless you are only looking at the few posts before he was under attack, I think we should consider the context. There have been a barrage of posts aimed directly at him. I don't think that many would continue to actively and logically scum-hunt while being on the defensive, under direct fire. While I didn't actually read the other game, its just my observation here.

It's actually impossible to scum hunt when under fire. People just say you're trying to shake off suspicion and they won't take you seriously. I'm complacent with dying at the moment.

I said it feel's like your putting words in my mouth.

yeah thats what I thought

so you cant quote the post that makes you "feel" like I am putting words in your mouth?

fuck nevermind, I have a feeling that I am going to get another dodge or backtrack or strangely worded reply sending me into another vortex of of shit.

also I want to meta something BC said.

Your post here, where you have the bolding (the second line to be specific) is where i feel like you're implying things that i didn't say. It feels to me like you're saying that i had scum chat. When i was stating an assumption that i thought others had about me.

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Unrelated thought @ BC: I'm trying to read through your last scum game, but it's striking me as too hilarious right now for me to look at objectively. I'll come back to doing this tomorrow.

If it means anything, i don't think i'm that great at mafia to begin with. Sure, i get lucky some times and have good reads and games, but generally this is what my play is like i guess. When people pull bullshit cases out on me i often overreact and post without previewing and thinking properly.

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It wasn't hilarious as in bad play, it was just funny. You and Ether going back and forth had my roommates looking at me weird for laughing out of nowhere. I never got far enough in to evaluate quality of play.

I think it was like that when we were at the meetup as well. hahhaha.

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It's actually impossible to scum hunt when under fire. People just say you're trying to shake off suspicion and they won't take you seriously. I'm complacent with dying at the moment.

Fine, then.

Let's say the mod gave you a day vig shot that you had to use right now. Who would you use it on and why?

(Fun fact: BC's vote is still on Tazaro)

Honestly, i'd probably shoot ROFL, as i feel his case on me is very aggressive and poor.

As for voting, who am i going to pressure? Zab? that's going to make me look awful. Vote some other random that isn't a lynch candidate. naw. If it comes down to it, sure i'll vote zab.

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why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

welcome to the game, who else besides Zab is scum?

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Hi there. Hungover.
Claim: miller.
will read later today, and I guess RVS is already over.

=/

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@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

so concerned that you're scum list?

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Two miller claims. Seems legit. We should believe both of them.

Jesus. I'm going to have to put trollface on every post I make. I'm pretty sure at least one of the miller claims is completely full of shit. Honestly I thought the first Miller claim was a joke until everybody went so apeshit over it. Guy comes in and jokeclaims in first post, and then we throw shit around until something sticks and one of us is dead.

From a third person point of view, i'm willing to believe two miller claims to an extent. Mine is definitely less gambity.

@BC: Rofl is kind of drifting into the null-town region of my reads. Shoot CKD

Darthe is town.

Did mal just CC BC's miller claim?

DemonCore is still scum.

2 miller claims. Right. Ok. I bet my lucky oldschool 5$ bill that they are both true. Takers?

VOTE: Demon Core

I wouldn't even consider it a counter claim. And yeah, i'm thinking he might be town too. If Mal posted more, that might help.

this Zab lynch is too fucking easy...a wagon built up on him based on a sarcastic remark?

bullshit.

AP I am curious, am I still scum when/if he flips town? I would like to know before the day ends?

I got called out for Appeal to fear for this kind of post. I'm pulling that card out against you now.

I am totally going to vote for someone on the Zab wagon.
BUT WHO?

fucking worthless post.

BC is town.

Right now Dcore/CKD are the obvious team. CKD's "Am I scum regardless of the Zab flip" solidifies that connection although Zabriel hasn't done enough to warrant the lynch compared to these 2.

P-edit: BC isn't flipping scum and you are.

who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

way to dodge all the fucking questions.

if BC flips scum, am I scum?

do you really think BC wasnt being dodgy?

why is that so hard to answer?

appeal to fear.


PeregrineV is townnnnn

fos: angrypidgeon

no there are not two millers in this game. and your entire "catchup" spiel reeks of bullshit. bc is not town. zab is not town. they are today and tomorrow's lynches, in either order.

This post feels like it comes from a player with extra information.

Dear everyone not voting one of the claimed millers:

1) Link to game with two millers
2) A vote for BC or malp (preferably BC)

or STFU

FoS CKD and AP for obfuscating the point and cluttering the thread with stupid bullshit when we pretty much have a guaranteed scum sitting right in front of us.

why is Mal's Miller claim any more legitimate than mine? that makes no sense and there is no reasoning at all.

Your last line is awful as fuck. You're calling out players for creating discussion and giving us information. That's fucking awful town play.

unvote:
Vote: Demon Core

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I dont know if this is correct. I have never been in a game with two millers...never heard of a game with two millers.

tbh a deathnote game with two millers wouldn't really surprise me, but i'm surprised it's in a mini, instead of a large themed game.

Yeah.
I'd love to see both of them go down.
They must not survive until the Lylo at the very least.

What happens if you lynch me and i flip town? do you go right after Mal then? or do you let him slide by? how does that work?

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What happens if you lynch me and i flip town? do you go right after Mal then? or do you let him slide by? how does that work?

More or less yeah. Both of you need to disappear one way or the other before Lylo. Same with PMysterious.
I'll do some reading tomorrow but right now I don't feel comfortable

at all

with MillerS around.

I really don't like this reasoning, not because of self preservation, but because it feels like you're trying to set up lynches for today, tomorrow, and the day after. That kind of play strikes me as anti-town.

Hi there. Hungover.
Claim: miller.
will read later today, and I guess RVS is already over.

=/

This is terrible reaction. But kind of intriguing.
Why? It's pretty funny that two fake-claimed millers in my previous games had: ":/" emoticon.
I know it's a bad taste, but this emoticon is scummy. Especially in reaction to another miller appearing.
What stops me though from voting BC is the fact that he doesn't try to get other miller lynched.

Malpascp has only posted his claim so far, and I'd like to see him get lynched before anything.
Yeah this is me declaring minimum contribution until a no-contributing scummy miller claim disappears from the game.

Other than that, so far after skimming, not liking AngryPidgeon at all. His reaction to Malpa miller claim is...damning.

Comparing my reaction to another game which i haven't read is poor imo.

My reaction at the time felt more like this.... (sigh)

So wait... you want Mal lynched before anything else? so do you not want to hear his scum reads? do you not want anyone else to be lynched besides Millers? Are you that tunnel visioned on the role? As far as i'm concered, you claim miller on your first post, or don't claim at all. Isn't that Mal's first post? why is that scummy? is it just because i already claimed miller? wouldn't it behoove him less to claim miller after seeing how much heat i got for it?

What's poor about AP's reaction? is that the only scummy thing you see from him? what else of his strikes you as scum play or scum motive?

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I've been raised to not trust "millers" nothing personal, but I have my tunnelvision on and its pretty narrow.

how many games have you played where scum have fake claimed miller?
Also, how many games have YOU played with a miller claim in it? Links plz.

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Both millers were ignored on Day 1 and would have probably made to lylo because Vigs holded their fire and Town left them alone.

what happened in end game? i don't feel like reading? did scum win both games?

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Both millers were ignored on Day 1 and would have probably made to lylo because Vigs holded their fire and Town left them alone.

what happened in end game? i don't feel like reading? did scum win both games?

Spartacus got abandoned but scum was in pretty good shape. I was miller there, my scumbuddy bussed me to hell but not quite. Chesskid was the mod and he sucked shit.
Disney Villains mafia..I really don't want to recall that shit. We killed all the scums (including SK) but left Miller till Lylo cuz apparently he was too "TOWN" (Town drove to its own demise with all the CAPSRAGINGs). I was NKed at the right time.
I was the only person trying to get rid of the "Miller" claim before lylo. That "Miller" killed me and fucked everyone in the ass. It is pretty painful memory. You should read it sometime. Might amuse you.

So in spartacus you actually claimed miller, even though you were scum?

But you said in your experience it is usually a scum player that claims miller right? In your experience you (as scum) fake claimed miller (correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not reading that whole game), and then in another game a scum actually did claim Miller.

Ok, let me tell you where i think you're reasoning is wrong.
1. your sample pool is too small.
-You only have two games played with millers.
-you've only played in games that scum claimed millers (one of which was you)
2. You claimed Miller in a scum game
-Just because you did it as scum, doesn't mean other people are dumb enough to do that too
- You're bias of "scum players usually do this" is bad because your sample pool is too small.


If this post of mine makes any sense to people, what i'm trying to say is that Shotty is using a poor policy because he's sour from losing one of his last games, AND he's scum and using that policy as reasoning for lynching someone that he know will flip town, because shotty is scum.

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Zabriel, I'm not going to vote this guy.

If people don't want Miller lynch, nor PMyst lynch for that matter, I'll gladly lynch AngryPidgeon. He's scum.

By the way, you guys should read PMysterious's other exciting adventures before this one. And tell me he's of any use to Town. I dare ya.

fucking love this anti town play. Let's policy lynch three players THEN go after scum.

How is my trying not to get the miller claims lynched a scum-tell? Comments on ANYTHING other than miller claims? And no, we aren't Pling PM just cuz.

Rob pretty much has the exact same reads as me >.>, although I dont quite remember what he said about rofl. I think rofl is null-town

Shut up, Crime.
I'm coming for you.

DODGY AS FUCK!

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haven't read since my last post yet but the votecount is making me unhappy and more people should vote for zabriel

the only other lynch i will accept today is bloodcovenant

tunnel vision to the max.

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Malp could be a town miller or scum gambiting.
BC's reaction to it may or may not be scummy.
Multiple millers may or may not exist in one game.
Miller claims are hard to figure out!
Conclusion: Null!

i rather think this is the best way to look at it. Instead of looking at the claim, look at the players playing. Who is scum hunting, who do they have interactions with, etc. sure i have more interactions at the moment, but that's because mal has like two posts.

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Im willingto compromise on Mal right now because of this line:

"So if I somehow flip, then BC will be confirmed town miller."

Stil prefer to lynch someone that has posted more.

i don't like that post. If mal is scum gambiting, it paints me in a really bad light.

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This needs like way more votes

unvote:
vote: Darthe

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@Mod. /LA until probably sunday night/monday morning. got a busy weekend ahead

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As of page 9, still a lot of miller talk. At this point I don’t think (malp) was fake claiming. Lets say we lynch BC and he really flips a miller. All eyes are on malp. I understand drmy’s stances and agree somewhat, but I don’t think the second miller claim is coming from scum. if we DO have two millers in the game scum is weakened, are we have other power roles. BC on the other hand is scummy….but as a mentioned before, the AP was going on and on and on about him being town…I am beginning to believe that we have to fucking millers in this game…so I am not down with lynching either of them today.

Really? Really!?!?! The first miller claim is fake, and the second one isn't. that makes no fucking sense. If we have two millers in the game, how is scum weakened at all? wouldn't their team be stronger since all you bitches wan't to lynch us.

This needs like way more votes

Btw, weaksauce sheep vote from BC (etc) is why he can't sell his credibility for a nickle to his own family.

Nice rebuttal to pressure.



-If i saw the other miller claim first, i wouldn't have claimed. just my train of thought.

I just looked from Demon Core's ISO, and holy shit. How did I manage to miss some of that while reading the game. I may have to read some other ISOs as well.

UNVOTE: malp
VOTE: Demon Core

anyone can look scummy when you read them in ISO. You can always nit-pick and misinterpret shit.

you know what, i don't actually need to read what i missed to see whats happening here. zabriel wagon is stalled because scum don't want to bus yet. angrypidgeon should vote for him, that will bring us to critical mass and they'll have to start bussing. bloodcovenant is still the scum claiming miller. ckd needs to get his vote off of ap because you are both town and should also join the zabriel wagon.

and really, 17 pages in and there's five people not even voting? for shame.

what makes mal's claim more legitimate than mine? and how is his play better than mine?

Drmy certainly got off track fast from the last time I was here. Has your list changed entirely?? I find it amazing that I gained FoS's and have made it on scum lists for things that I haven't done more than things I have. The best that has been said is "hey, this guy's scummy" but has a single person provided a reason beyond the base "your posts are pingy"? Nope.

In any case, I could care less about the pings. Malp is somewhat pingy, I would rather him die than BC for sure. Zab is still LLL. Taz seems odd but idk him so maybe he is just an odd ass person. Pidgeon is still ruffling his feathers. When is the last time you actually contributed in a way that was helpful to the town?

I have a town read on drmy, bc, cheerydog, and rob and a null on the rest of you. CKD and Dcore are wildcard.

Why the fuck do you have Townread on me little Vader?? HMMMMMMMMMMMM???

Good for you

Okay so honestly I appreciate the talking. IMO its pretty pro-town to get your thoughts out there. That said, you've been everywhere so I wanted to test the waters and your response wasnt pingy so... like I said, good for you! This is the kind of reason I have a town read on you.

weaksauce post.
+scum points.


Liking this wagon.

Unvote:
Vote: Demon core

[BloodCovenent]

DC is not getting lynched unless a CC comes up.

According to Rofl, only scum want a CC to hunt out Power roles.

all he's doing is trying to draw out the counterclaim because he is scum going down in flames on day one its exactly what i would do if i were in his position

Drmy is enabling a CC right? scum motive?

i'd rather no one cc because that is the most obvious fakeclaim i've ever seen, and he hasn't in posted in how long but he's keenly aware that he's being wagoned enough to appear from thin air while we're all online doing it? do not buy it.

You

asked me to claim in the latest post...

Scum response. Happy with lynch.
Hammer away.

Bussing from scum drmy to scum demon core. amirite ROFL?

#appealToROFL.

unvote:
Vote: Drmyshotgun

[BloodCovenent]

demoncore is obviously stalling waiting for gullible town (prohawk) and his scumpartners (bloodcovenant) to get off his wagon and take the steam out of it. good thing we're not going to let that happen.

you're so fucking tunnel visioned on me that you didn't see where i pointed out scum drmy. christ.

[BloodCovenent]

demoncore is obviously stalling waiting for gullible town (prohawk) and his scumpartners (bloodcovenant) to get off his wagon and take the steam out of it. good thing we're not going to let that happen.

you're so fucking tunnel visioned on me that you didn't see where i pointed out scum drmy. christ.

drmyshotgun is so fucking obviously town that i want you dead just for trying to lynch him, and on top of that you have done a MOUNTAIN of scummy shit this game AND YOU'RE A CLAIMED AND THEN FUCKING COUNTERCLAIMED MILLER so yes i will tunnel vision your ass into a fine red mist

i wasn't counter claimed dumbass.

[BloodCovenent]

you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

several other people have stated that Malp was likely to have not read the thread when claiming. have you yet to acknowledge that?

[BloodCovenent]

you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

several other people have stated that Malp was likely to have not read the thread when claiming. have you yet to acknowledge that?

that literally does not matter. it does not matter that he didn't know he was counterclaiming. that doesn't make the counterclaimed player any less likely to be lying scum.

do you acknowledge that the two strategies for playing miller are:
1. don't claim at all
2. claim in your first post

[BloodCovenent]

you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

several other people have stated that Malp was likely to have not read the thread when claiming. have you yet to acknowledge that?

that literally does not matter. it does not matter that he didn't know he was counterclaiming. that doesn't make the counterclaimed player any less likely to be lying scum.

do you acknowledge that the two strategies for playing miller are:
1. don't claim at all
2. claim in your first post

yes. therefore the strategy for scum fakeclaiming miller are:
1. claim in your first post

so we're both scum.

[BloodCovenent]

you're at like... l-2, or l-3.

[BloodCovenent]

Perhaps people will lynch me tonight for this. Or maybe the mafia will kill me tonight to create WIFOM (would be a dumb mafia).

Personally I found it hillarious that angrypidgeon was able to fuss enough that people didn't vote him and believed him calling me scummy and then Dcore comes back and says something that is most likely not a scum slip and his train built for it. I bet money he is town and when he flips it we all can analyze the train for easy votes. L-1 is weak shit where I come from and basically is day over anyhow. What is the point in waiting on it or adding stupid reasons?


Also, since I have never had night here I have to ask: Do you guys continue playing and casing at night? Because we always have.

the bolded is just awful.

[BloodCovenent]

@MOD, NO access until 10pm est tonight, or possibly until tomorrow mid-day.

will catch up and post then.

[BloodCovenent]

Read pages 31-39, skipped reading 24-30, just didn't bother. And i read starting at 39 to 31, so my quotes and stuff will be all fucked up. Just saying.

Yep. Scum would wait before they claimed miller. Miller is a plausible role in this game (because I'm one). There are lots of PRs that make millers more likely. These are the reasons that make me believe BC is town. Plus his posts are not that scummy, if he didn't claim miller he wouldn't be the lynch today.

technically.... you were the one that "waited to claim" miller.

I'm now hating mal's miller claim. I'm wary of

any

miller claim (scum just make themselves cop immune for no reason), but if I got a miller role PM and someone else claimed miller, it would take a lot of convincing for me to not park my vote on that person.

Short and sweet reads (will "elaborate" on request for a specific one)

town: AP,

rofl

,

rob13

, darthe,

prohawk

,

zab

(497),

CKD

(yes, I flip-flopped)

What do you think is the significance of the fact that Demon Core said he flip-flopped on CKD?

I maintain, as I have from the start, that CKD and DC are on the same scum team. ISO together for great lolz.

The significance of the flip-flop is that he realized CKD was bussing him and tried to build up CKD's town cred more when possible. His interactions with CKD in the early game are also suspicious.

so wait a second.... why aren't you pushing harder for a CKD lynch then?

Other final note for now is after the cop claim, various people unvote Demon. I'd expect this, and probably would have also.
So, going back to your previous vote (Prohawk-473), simply unvoting (Drmy-462), or not believing the claim (rofl-460) are all acceptable actions.

Blood doesn't do any of that, instead he moves to drmy-475 with weak reasoning. He stays off the Demon wagon and it doesn't get mentioned again.

So nothing conclusive, but going in my notes.

i wouldn't really consider my reasoning weak. Drmy was fishing for a counter claim by the looks of it.

What are the chances scum-Malp went of the reservation after scum-Blood's miller claim and did the same?

not totally outside the realm of possibility. if thats the case i imagine there's a post very early in the scum qt pregame that says "someone should claim miller in their first post." bc did it, and we know malp didn't read the thread before his claim. even if the first "miller" we kill flips scum i still want the second "miller" in this game dead long before lylo. i just think there is a much stronger case for blood-scum than malp-scum right now. blood-zabriel interactions around his miller claim and my questioning of it. blood-dc interactions around the dc wagon and his vote for, then jump off after the claim. it all points to blood-scum.

That's fine if you lynch me, but please lynch/kill malc somehow. I never noticed those interactions that DC and Zab had that Pere quoted.

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

How does this post not strike anyone else extremely scummy?

Posts like these are not pro-town at all. It's all just IIoA.

ckd is angry, where I've been playing for the last two years or so, this is considered a scumtell. But then it's a small pool of players at a poker forum who play together often, so we're all more or less friends and rarely bitch at each other, so it might be a flawed read. I have him as town because of the DC trap, it seemed legit to me. Can he do this as scum? Is he angry when he's town? I can move him into scum camp if these questions are answered unfavourably for him. I have no desire to read old games after the shift I've put in today catching up, I'll have some time tomorrow.

For now I like BC or darthe, BC because it helps clear up the miller issue, which is confusing me to fuck, and darthe because he looks scummy aside from his response to taz's fakeclaim.

please note, me being lynched does not clear up the Miller issue. I'd definitely be golden with a Malc lynch. And what fake claim?

UNVOTE: darthe
VOTE: blood

back to lynching the

miller

then.

I also don't like Prohawk's new post at all.

I don't like this post at all. There are two miller claims, you seem certain i'm the only one? Cherry+Mal as remaining scum?

I should mention two things. One, the watcher who said I did something to San is lying because I'm vanilla . Two, this train is forced as fuck.

why isn't this looked into more?





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blah blah, don't lynch me, blah blah, lynch the other miller.

Unvote: ???
Vote: Malc

If i'm lynched, please vig/lynch Malc then.
-thanks.

[BloodCovenent]

Sorry pal, you died already.

really?

BC, you scum?

and no.

[BloodCovenent]

gimme specifics cherry.

[BloodCovenent]

In all honesty, BC, you've been lynched.

Were you scum?

nope. town miller.