NY 159: RUST game over

[Tazaro]

ninja'd by three <_<
*Puts in personal collection of threads*
*sleeps*
*dreamvotes*

VOTE: roflcopter

*wakes up as grumpy killjoy*
My vote on roflcopter? Good! That will terminate your rofling!
post-ninja edit: Fine, whatevs for now.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

Alright, which one of you little boogers is a ... booger?
...

[Tazaro]

I like my vote

[Tazaro]

... that WAS on roflcopter :

VOTE: roflcopter

[Tazaro]

Answer: A stint of a lack of explanation afterwards

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

Time is slow to me.

[Tazaro]

SCUM: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1325
TOWN: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17877
You didn't ask for most recent, period. Technically one game is more recent than these, but it was killed (drmyshottyizsik or whatever his name is modded it)

[Tazaro]

A rabbit, a dog, a hawk, a pidgeon, on a pony.
<-< Bestiality

[Tazaro]

I am totally going to vote for someone on the Zab wagon.
BUT WHO?

[Tazaro]

I ain't seeing wisdom in cogitating on this affair without malpascp update.

[Tazaro]

In my point of view, both claims are true. It's too much of a coincidence for BC to fakeclaim before I did. So if I somehow flip, then BC will be confirmed town miller. Voting for him is stupid, unless you think we are both fakeclaiming. Will reread and make reads later.

Oh, he did

[Tazaro]

Avoiding base responses and metagame here I think the recent miller discussion is scummy bullshit. It doesn't matter whether they are town or not, what has happened in previous games based on each of your limited experiences, or how you perceive it. Two millers is extremely unlikely but possible. Two fake claim millers on D1 is a shit gambit for mafia and a waste so very unlikely as well. One miller and one fake claim is much more likely and so probable. Because of the nature of the role neither can be allowed to live til endgame regardless. In essence, pick which one you think is more scumtastic and place your vote where your mouth is. The rest is a continued WIFOM and scummy.

VOTE: Darthe

It may be cow pie to some extent
But it's not scummy.
Explain better why it is, if you can finagle it.

[Tazaro]

"It" meaning "the recent miller discussion."
I can reconsider my vote later.

[Tazaro]

I see your response to my post
Either: you are sincere; or think quickly on your feet

UNVOTE

Displeasure = Me, if this game is going to keep on rolling and bewilder me

[Tazaro]

@Ansar, don't worry too much. You might be eligible to get Josh Lyman's spot.
i think malpascp = a town person.

[Tazaro]

@Rob: TWO people claimed miller right off the bat--if we put a question mark on malpascp's alignment, it is still not questionable that malpascp had already seen BloodCovenant's claim. Given that the resulting WIFOM, from two millers, effectively neutralizes the stigma of their claims in and of themselves as PeregrineV correctly noticed, then malpascp's claim should not be seen as a gambit that gives him a potential benefit as scum. Thus malpascp has no reason to claim miller as scum, given his miller claim after BloodCovenant's is, by the WIFOM's neutralization, tantamount to claiming Vanilla.

In fact, IF malpascp is scum, the only attempted benefit of his miller claim that is see is -> neutralizing the negative stigma of BLOODCOVENANT's claim, which makes sense if malpascp wants to protect a scum buddy in BloodCovenant.

@drmyshotty, If we lynch one of them first, though, it should be malpascp, for the information that malpascp's flip would give to incriminate BC, in my view.

[Tazaro]

In fact, IF malpascp is scum, the only attempted benefit of his miller claim that is see is -> neutralizing the negative stigma of BLOODCOVENANT's claim, which makes sense if malpascp wants to protect a scum buddy in BloodCovenant.

And if this IS a reason for scum malpascp to rationalize a claim of miller, I don't think it's terribly likely.

[Tazaro]

@drmyshotty, If we lynch one of them first, though, it should be malpascp, for the information that malpascp's flip would give to incriminate BC, in my view.

I mean information that a malpascp scum flip would give. If malpascp is scum, BC should get heat, in my view, but if BC flips scum, that doesn't tell us anything about malpascp.

[Tazaro]

That's why I didn't explain it before. It's kind of hard to diagram with verbiage.

[Tazaro]

I don't think BC is null-scum, though.
I can see that my thinking is not air tight about this muddled stuff, but in principle, I would rather lynch one miller to benefit informationally than to lynch one, and then may have to lynch the other because of uncertainty.

[Tazaro]

As for my inkling about BC's alignment, BC's play somehow doesn't seem to feel much like a real deviation from his "meta" here when I played with him: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14705

[Tazaro]

Plus he's yet to acknowledge my point that mal didn't see the first miller claim before claiming, because he knows his theory doesn't stand up to that.

How the hell do you get TWO miller claims RIGHT OFF THE BAT without the second person seeing the first one?

[Tazaro]

Either malpascp saw BC's claim or two people independently decided to claim miller. How would two people independently claim miller in the same game and there not actually likely be two millers?

[Tazaro]

I suppose the coincidence does make malpascp more likely to be a scum who is fakeclaiming miller after BloodCovenant's claim.

[Tazaro]

more likely to be scum than BC

[Tazaro]

AngryPidgeon: town.
Y:Intuition

[Tazaro]

Therefore

VOTE: Zabriel

[Tazaro]

COUNTER. WAGON.

[Tazaro]

F.O.S. Darthe

[Tazaro]

why would

Zabtown

"distance" himself from someone

he doesnt know

is scum?

why would anything

BC(you)town

do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

what exactly seems odd? "opinion shift"? you mean me unvoting my random vote?

Bolded above.

All are an effect called priming where the individual places words or terms in such a way that it reinforces an opinion

. So this leaves two options. You either feel definitively that these two people are town (hence putting it in their name) or the more likely one in five pages is that you are

mafia with one of them at least and are attempting to sway us with the subconscious reasoning of free association.

Because what the hell is this

stuff

?

[Tazaro]

So yeah:

Tazaro

, Darthe, MALPASCP.
Should there be a Vig, do your job. (hint: choose one from the above list!)

No

[Tazaro]

Taz seems odd but idk him so maybe he is just an odd ass person.

I won't deny this.

[Tazaro]

Last time I post was on Page 6 or so

and I'm now forced to claim

?

Guess I better catch up now that my role is f@#king useless. That's what I get for trying to lay low.

I hate this damn role.

What do you mean you were TRYING to lay low? You said you were preoccupied with GRE.
And don't think that your

victim behavior

in this matter will make us think no bussing is going on

UNVOTE

VOTE: Demon Core

[Tazaro]

Sounds like a good plan to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Demon Core

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zabriel

No reason to call his bluff Day 1. Back to the

other

scum.

The OTHER scum? LET'S FLIP DEMON CORE SCUM AND INCRIMINATE PROHAWK.

[Tazaro]

predicted: dcore flips town, zab and prohawk are LLL and flip scum.

So, in a nutshell, you're telling us you won't hammer that person who's closest to being the lynch.

[Tazaro]

Completely agree, don't counterclaim until later in the game. That way in the off chance he is telling the truth about being cop, we don't mis-lynch him and scum would be forced to kill him.

I would like to point out that you are far too certain about this. No suspicions about the claim whatsoever? Prohawk is a very legitimate lynch if not DC. Prohawk is not at all playing to his town self. (#IusuallyDontDoMetaCases)

If you want to do this meta thing on ProHawk, games?

[Tazaro]

If we have a vig, vig Darthe.

vetoed

if there is a vig, vig one of the miller claims (preferably bc but really they've both got to go) or risk being consumed with a righteous fury

I would suggest zabriel.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

predicted: dcore flips town, zab and prohawk are LLL and flip scum.

So, in a nutshell, you're telling us you won't hammer that person who's closest to being the lynch.

VOTE: Darthe

[Tazaro]

Meh, DC claims he was lying low, but indeed that behavior is still a valid and reasonable scum play.
So DC = ?.
But fwiw --> I'm the best person to hammer if need be

[Tazaro]

Meh, again, he should be today's lynch. Doesn't matter if he's cop.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Demon Core

[Tazaro]

Oops
@ 532: Not hammer. Not dead.

[Tazaro]

It sounded like you thought you were hammering when you actually weren't.
Don't see what the problem is with correcting your thought.

[Tazaro]

I know that fuckfaces...my vote was already on him....god dammit.

same goes to you Rob...why was it protown to point this out?

We're at L-2, then.

Thought it was an honest mistake at first, not a gambit, but I wasn't going to point it out at first because DC could have revealed. Then Random McFuckFace showed up, so I thought the whole operation was kind of blown wide open anyway. There was no longer any reason to not point out the mistake (which I thought it was).

Seriously though, who are you njoseph and why did you just give away a gambit in a game you're not in? Where's the banhammer again?

njoseph is my alt.
I thought it was a mistake.
ARGH

[Tazaro]

who cares if it was a mistake?

People point out mistakes. It's not unusual.

[Tazaro]

Oh, hush you.

[Tazaro]

if you are town,

in the future, if you see someone making a "mistake"..especially someone who have been playing over 5 years, before you jump in to express how on top of the game you are, take a moment, and see what happens. do you see the value of what I trying to do, be it a small chance, was still a chance?

The chance has passed

[Tazaro]

No

[Tazaro]

njoseph being Tazaro's alt increased my hatred for the player dramatically.

Why, exactly?

[Tazaro]

So it's not about meta. As you were, then.

[Tazaro]

I are going to be SO interested in my claim.

[Tazaro]

YOU are going to be SO interested in my claim.

FTF...myself

[Tazaro]

For now, I'll say this.

I watched zabriel.

[Tazaro]

Two people. One may be the cop.

[Tazaro]

OK time to reread

also, I have info too (went back and forth about saying this)...it is only the slightest bit useful (at this point in the game) in regards to two people...well...maybe more depending on what Taz claims.

I would prefer you give out some information before I name a name.

[Tazaro]

first I am also a jack of trades with two one shot abilities (sort of confirms rob's claim)

one was a tracker, which I used. this person did not target zab last night. do not want to say who...yet. I would like to see who you said first...if you name this person, than you are lying. I will claim after, for this person can confirm if I am lying or not.

the other..I will keep to myself. (I would provide if it "countered" anything currently in the game)

You. name. your. guy. first.

[Tazaro]

CKD ... If he's anti-town, then he's on the mafia team

And that would mean he didn't kill zabriel.
Which I already know he didn't, because he did not target zabriel.

[Tazaro]

snip:

I targetted prohawk

Why?

[Tazaro]

snip:

I targetted prohawk

Why?

In addition to asking you "Why?" I would also point out that you never seem to really talk about ProHawk in your posts

[Tazaro]

Like 4 or 5ish people should post a bit more
I will post a name soon, by not today, and by soon I do mean tomorrow. Or when I'm tired of waiting for reactions. Whichever comes first.

[Tazaro]

Again on phone. Small post. Prohawk's other scum comment + dc flip.

Gut tells me this is believable.

[Tazaro]

But I caveat that with: feel free to disagree.

[Tazaro]

We have 2 claimed vig-shots.

What? I thought the only person to have claimed to have a vig-shot was Rob13 ??

[Tazaro]

Normally a watcher's info can be ambiguous, but this one is far more discernable. As I have stated, there is a first guy and a second guy.

I am seriously baffled at how Lone Rangerish Darthe has already sounded in posting of his.
Probably the example that burns most flagrantly is

Perhaps people will lynch me tonight for this. Or maybe the mafia will kill me tonight to create WIFOM (would be a dumb mafia).

How paranoid persecutive and one-man-island-thinking can you get?

snip:

have to agree that an SK seems more likely than a Vig to me at this point.

So your tack is to brazenly try to suggest, especially to me, that the SECOND guy (whom I do not think is guilty) should be seen as the SK, and consequently that we lynch him, and maybe you could claim to have a vig ability after the town flip. You already know I think you're antitown and have an antitown stigma, and you make this suggestion because you want to avoid being lynched, as we all do; but seriously, you think this suggestion might help you not be seen as the more suspect of the two?

How can you not be the serial killer. I believe you are.
This belief leads me to say what I have to say to get town to lynch you.

Voting Darthe the Serial Killer
VOTE: Darthe.
Get him town.
Please follow suit.

[Tazaro]

Is my vote on Darthe right now? Eh, I don't even know.

Unvote
Vote: Darthe

It is now.

How long ago was Post 717.

[Tazaro]

very well

unvote, vote: darthe[/b[

please, rob, please kill a miller. i don't care which we can lynch the other one tomorrow.

This is indicative of rushing.
Why rush. Presumably another enemy needs to be divined through analysis?

[Tazaro]

What I'm getting at is, think about at least one person who looks the worst when we expand beyond Darthe. Better would be thinking about yet another partner.

[Tazaro]

But at least one partner of zabriel is the minimum to think about more before rushing, I would think.

[Tazaro]

It's watcher.
As long as we know who's next, I'm content.

[Tazaro]

Perhaps one of the millers is a "miller," and should die next.

[Tazaro]

But enough said about that.
I don't even know if I need to be protected given the roles that have been claimed.

[Tazaro]

Why lynch bloodcovenant and not vig him?

[Tazaro]

Darthe should be a more viable lynch than BC, i would think.

[Tazaro]

Are you claiming vanilla on the chance that you aren't lynched to make the mafia think you're a powerless townie so as to avoid a nightkill?

[Tazaro]

To me, there's only one sort of claim that would take heat off of you.

[Tazaro]

I should mention two things. One, the watcher who said I did something to San is lying because I'm vanilla . Two, this train is forced as fuck.

Either man up and claim to have a vig ability, or try to do this vanilla thing and get closer to a noose.

[Tazaro]

You better not be a vig ability that's claiming vanilla in fear of a mafia assassination.

[Tazaro]

I will give Darthe one more chance to see if he wants to claim vig in case he's pussyfooting in fear of the mafia by claiming vanilla.

[Tazaro]

So we have Darthe claiming VT and Taz claiming that he saw Darthe performing an action.

One of them is lying. Taz is confirmed town with an investigation, but I suppose there could have been a scum busdriver that fucked with my investigation of Taz. It's a long-shot, though.

If we lynch Darthe and he's VT, then we lynch Taz, plain and simple. It would mean Taz is undoubtedly lying about Darthe targeting somebody. So if we lynch Darthe, we undoubtedly find at least one anti-town person as a result. So as I see it...

Bus-driver is not normal. Hence it cannot be in a normal game.

[Tazaro]

I will give Darthe one more chance to see if he wants to claim vig in case he's pussyfooting in fear of the mafia by claiming vanilla.

[Tazaro]

More Darthe votes!

[Tazaro]

I will give Darthe one more chance to see if he wants to claim vig in case he's pussyfooting in fear of the mafia by claiming vanilla.

[Tazaro]

PC? What is that?

[Tazaro]

If we have a vig, vig Darthe.

vetoed

if there is a vig, vig one of the miller claims (preferably bc but really they've both got to go) or risk being consumed with a righteous fury

I would suggest zabriel.

I will now say this: There is a reason why the person I suggested died.

[Tazaro]

Eh, if the vig is 1 or 2 shot then I dont see a reason why not to claim it.

Mafia Roleblocker if it's 2-shot. No reason not to claim if it's 1-shot, I suppose, but there's no reason for a doctor to claim ever. Even suggesting that is scummy to the extreme.

There is something about this I would disagree with.

[Tazaro]

Here goes.
This would now be a SECOND claim:
My ability is 2-Shot Vigilante (I disagree with the 2-shot being assumed to be Mafia Roleblocker); I am he who killed zabriel (I suggested his vigging Day 1 and carried it out).
The claim that I watched was really a test to bear out info.
Darthe looks more town now.
We have only two JoaT's that have claimed. I claimed watcher, then CKD incorporated TRACKER in his alleged role. I find it interesting he said he targetted ProHawk, because their responses to certain wagons/wagoning look a certain way. Want to bet CKD is a scum JoaT?
And whatever else we know about people's responses, or lack of response ignoring the "watcher situation"

[Tazaro]

No sense having a vote on the charade wagon of Darthe

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

I thought it was an interesting endeavor to play the part of a watcher
I will now say this: I guess I won't be so lucky if I use my other shot at all.

[Tazaro]

And I do not ask that anyone protect me

[Tazaro]

Vote BC

for reasons that have been stated by many. I'm starting to agree that millers need to go ASAP so that we can concentrate on others. There's a very real possibility that at least one is scum, and the confirmed scum's interaction with BC (and vice versa) is suspicious.

VOTE: BloodCovenant

[Tazaro]

I played with Taz before and he didn't play nothing like this. Almost everything he says is just tasteless and useless.
rofl is clearly town.
Gonna ISO DemonCore and some other people.

I would hesitate to vote Malp because this is actually true and candid about me.

[Tazaro]

more so before my "great" play

[Tazaro]

Hell, I'll just re-ISO everyone. It can't hurt. It will take me a few days, though. I'll do Darthe, CKD, Cheery, and Peregrine in my first round for various reasons and then hit up the rest in future rounds.

I'm skipping [...Le snip...] drmy, because of obvious reasons

.

Is

this

chiefly due to meta?

[Tazaro]

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

You are implying that Rob13 happened to investigate the godfather on his first try.
No.

[Tazaro]

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

You are implying that Rob13 happened to investigate the godfather on his first try.
No.

Okay, you are implying it as a POSSIBILITY.
If both millers would inevitably die, though, I still think BC should die first.

[Tazaro]

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

You are implying that Rob13 happened to investigate the godfather on his first try.
No.

Okay, you are implying it as a POSSIBILITY.
If both millers would inevitably die, though, I still think BC should die first.

Are you having a conversation with yourself?

Next time I can use ebwop or something

[Tazaro]

I would find it odd if Demon Core WEREN'T bussed himself by someone on that wagon.

[Tazaro]

I'm now hating mal's miller claim. I'm wary of

any

miller claim (scum just make themselves cop immune for no reason), but if I got a miller role PM and someone else claimed miller, it would take a lot of convincing for me to not park my vote on that person.

Short and sweet reads (will "elaborate" on request for a specific one)

town: AP,

rofl

,

rob13

, darthe,

prohawk

,

zab

(497),

CKD

(yes, I flip-flopped)

What do you think is the significance of the fact that Demon Core said he flip-flopped on CKD?

[Tazaro]

Any thoughts on Taz as investigation-immune SK? Thought I'd throw it out there. He admittedly killed Zab.

this is such an insignificant possibility we should not worry ourselves with it unless an unexplained kill appears after you have used your one shot and taz has used his remaining one shot

If mafia doesn't think I am merely who I say I am, they definitely would go after me ASAP

[Tazaro]

I just looked from Demon Core's ISO, and holy shit. How did I manage to miss some of that while reading the game. I may have to read some other ISOs as well.

UNVOTE: malp
VOTE: Demon Core

Was Cheery Dog implying he missed something that someone else didn't miss?

[Tazaro]

Now is L-1 on BC.

[Tazaro]

I won't be the one vigging malpascp. That's the only thing I'll say.

[Tazaro]

I too am ready for the day's end.

[Tazaro]

Day, day, go away.
I don't care who hammers

[Tazaro]

If I die, think about who profits

[Tazaro]

And I still think malpascp could be town even if BC flips town when 4nxie3ty gets in here to say his flip

[Tazaro]

And I still think malpascp could be town even if BC flips town when 4nxie3ty gets in here to say his flip

Last post before I died. Yep, they were both town.

[Tazaro]

Nope, ProHawk wasn't scum: dead qt--> http://quicktopic.com/48/H/fkE4GEhJ8En

[Tazaro]

If I hadn't investigated angry I would have been for lynching him day 3.

And we should have gone off the bc wagon after I posted it. I know I didn't have faith since I've seen a whole town wagon happen before where scum has been attempted to be found.

That some scum had to be on the BC wagon was a pretty good idea.

[Tazaro]

Thanks for the link taz!

O you're welcome