Micro 50 (Vengeful Game Over)

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/confirm

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Which of the mafia are you, Om?

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Cool cool.

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Are you CCing?

[N]

While we wait for the fifth confirm,

Important Links:

Pregame begins!

This links to the wrong game.

Weird, fixed it.

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So who is scum?

Except me obv.

My extensive experience with you (aka micro 4) shows me that you claim scum if you're town. Therefore, you claiming town must mean you are scum!

Game over. My logic is indisputable.

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How fast do you think births happen? Traffic lights stay red for perhaps two minutes; that's not going to be the different between birth in car or birth at hospital.

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How would pulling over and calling for an ambulance be quicker than waiting at a red light? Do you have any idea how longambulances take to respond? It's often at least half an hour before they can get to you.

Also I was under the impression that it was a normal human birth, and that my wife was not going to "explode" if i obeyed the law.

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Looking at it again (from a computer now), it looks like it wouldn't have mattered what any of us said; it was an excuse to call his godfather (Zoroaster) town.

VOTE: Zoroaster

[N]

Something smells funny... Oh, it's just river's latest post.

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Aww look at the pretend newbie.

Earlier you were saying that Zoroaster was your biggest town read and now you're saying that their posts seem weird.

[N]

I like how anybody has yet to question my read on guille lol.

I don't need to. Scum team is [whoever I said earlier].

[N]

So, Zoro, you think everyone is scum but you?

[N]

So, Zoro, you think everyone is scum but you?

Your counting skills are exquisite.

I don't understand how you can go on and on about Om being sarcastic and how that makes him obv-scum, and then make posts like this.

While I don't think being sarcastic is anywhere near being a scum-tell, I find hypocrisy to be quite a big one.

[N]

Which questions in this game have required a serious answer?

[N]

Hang on, what are the two things that are different in this situation?

answering something sarcastically every time
vs.
flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game

What have those two things got to do with each other?

[N]

Oh, I think I understand now. The five people in the game bit was a further qualifier for both of them.

So it's more like:
answering something sarcastically every time when there's 5 people in the game
vs.
flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game

So you're saying Om is answering everything sarcastically and you're flaunting a sarcastic answer in my face? And that this is hugely different and therefore Om is scummy?

[N]

Then what the fuck are you trying to say?

[N]

No, I'm over the whole bullshit sarcastic thing. What I'm trying to figure out is what "there's a difference between answering something sarcastically every time and flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game" means.

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You saw that I quoted something with that right?

That just MIGHT have something to do with it.

I don't care what it has to do with anymore. I want to know what is means. I asked for clarification and you said that was wrong. And then proceed to rant about ...I don't even know anymore - not comparing you to Om?

In fact the fact I'm not taking the game that seriously is probably reason enough to call me town.

We've been down this road before (in micro 4). For the sake of my sanity, please stop talking about your meta.

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I want to know what is means.

I've told you multiple times. If you don't get it now, you don't get it at all.

Why would you post something if you don't want people to know what it means?

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My vote's already on you, isn't it?

[N]

What's happening with this game? It's just sort of... stopped. I guess we need to wait for river to join us again or for Zoroaster to take his fingers out of his ears. Either that or Om and guille can just join me and lynch the godfather.

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No no no, you don't get to switch roles in this argument. I'm asking you to explain what #65 means and you've refused; there is no question from me you don't understand. There is only me asking for clarification and you refusing.

[N]

What? You thought I was talking about #64 (which is my post) when I'd actually taken the text from #65 and tried to dissect it?

True--let me rephrase that.

There's a difference between answering something sarcastically every time and flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game.

Hang on, what are the two things that are different in this situation?

answering something sarcastically every time
vs.
flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game

What have those two things got to do with each other?

Oh, I think I understand now. The five people in the game bit was a further qualifier for both of them.

So it's more like:
answering something sarcastically every time when there's 5 people in the game
vs.
flaunting in someone's face when there's 5 people in the game

So you're saying Om is answering everything sarcastically and you're flaunting a sarcastic answer in my face? And that this is hugely different and therefore Om is scummy?

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Don't feel bad, Zoroaster; it's nothing you've done. It's not your fault your goon made you obvious.

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If I call someone out for OMGUSing and they unvote in the next post, do you think I'm still not going to call them out on OMGUSing?

When did that happen?

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I searched your iso for "omgus" and found no mention, so I searched the thread for "unvote" and no one has unvoted all game. So I went and searched through all your posts to see if you're talking about a different game and still found no mention of "omgus". What on earth are you talking about?

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Is English your first language? Can you read my sentence?

Yes, I can read your sentence. No, it does not have anything to do with anything. Am I reading a different thread than you?

MrMud and Natural_River are both being replaced.

MrMud isn't actually in this game.

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So it's a stupid hypothetical that has nothing to do with the game? Right, I understand now. Continue with your talking to yourself.

[N]

That's pretty hypocritical.

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It wasn't supposed to be an argument; it was supposed to be you clarifying what you said but you went batshit crazy. Oh hey, this time you did (sorta) clarify what you were on about and I let it drop!

[N]

Whiskers, you know you replaced Natural_river, not Zoroaster, right? You're buddying the wrong replaced-out player.

[N]

@N: I'm supposed to buddy myself?

The idea is that you know your predecessor's reads were "sincere" and because (in the event you replace into a town slot) you know the opinion of another confirmed town player. Surely you've replaced in before and know how this works? Instead you come in and call everyone dicks (including your predecessor) or a lurker.

Anyway, back on track: do you agree with Zoroaster's assertion that answering questions sarcastically is a scum-tell?

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I have counted four player slots who have had an active hoof in making finding scum go less smoothly, and one that just checks in.

I have your answer in this sealed envelope. I'm waiting for Om to reply to my last post to him, then I'll open it.

I didn't mean to make it sound like I disagreed with you calling guille a lurker; I probably would have done so earlier myself if other players (river and Zoroaster) hadn't been acting so scummy.

I look forward to the suspenseful reveal of the contents of the envelope.

Somebody look at Guille's ISO, though.
0: confirm, 1: fluff, 2: fluff, 3: reads, 4: clarify, 5: filler.
6: Ask Zoro's reads. 7: Ask River's reads. 8: express confusion over River's alt's post.
9: says that his reads have changed, but not what they are. 10: V/LA announcement.
11: asks River her read on Om (again), 12: "Yay, a pony" asks my read on himself.
13 and 14 came just now:
13: Asks Om his read on me. 14: asks N if he would lynch me, not Zor. What happened to that River townread?

I just want to point out I agree that guille hasn't been nearly as active as anyone else (and that I'm not attacking you for calling him out) before I say this: you have a massive confirmation bias.

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But why do you say I have a massive confirmation bias? What makes you say that? He has fewer than one-half real posts that any other playerslot has, and even his content-containing posts are scummy and bad.

I was saying I thought you had a confirmation bias because you called every single one of guille's posts shitty in one way or another. It's not that I disagree per se, but that just stands out to me.

@N: Would you be willing to Lynch Whisker instead of Zoroaster?

When I placed my vote, I said I thought Whiskers's slot was the goon and Zoroaster was the godfather. Nothing has changed that too much yet, but obviously I want to see a replacement before we lynch anyone.

But seriously, get off your ass and do something. What is so important about how Whiskers and I respond to your mediocre questions that you can't do anything else in the meantime?

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As for relying on Busing. Well. I had two townreads, NR and Om. I kept my townread on whiskers since it has been satisfactory for me. But Om's town read contradicts the connections that I have and the Town read on Whiskers. Like I said: from my prespective there is 1 scum between Om and Whiskers and 1 scum between N and Zoro. I am not certain for the latter, but I am certain for the first group mostly based on my town read of Whiskers.

Hang on. You have two town-reads: Om and Whiskers, but you think there's scum in one of those two?

Okay, to preemtively answer a few questions, I am an alternate account of an experienced scummer. I am retiring my original, and this is the new main. I will not be revealing the original any time soon, and will consider attempts to force me to do so intentionally unproductive.

Why did you bring this up if you don't want to talk about it?

Page 1: Om's extravagence in repeatedly and playfully claiming non-Town seems off. A joke needn't be repeated to have effect; Om makes three different fakeclaims right out of the gate. Smells like nervous scum.

You forget he's 13 and repeating the same thing over and over is what usually passes for humour among thirteen year olds.

Page 6: Whiskers replaces in with his usual idiocy. I don't think I've ever seen him play scum with aplomb. His immediate attack on guille in 142 strikes me as a desperate attempt to change the subject from a conversation that isn't going well for the scumteam.

I find this quite funny. You're saying "Whiskers replaced in and immediately attacked guille; this is scummy" at the same time as making a wall post about Om's every little mistake. Also, if I remember correctly, Whiskers didn't begin with a tunnel on guille; it was more of an "everyone sucks but me" post.

Vote: Om of the Nom

Fuck dammit. Now there's two L-1 wagons and I'm the only one not on either of them. I hate being in this position.

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I'm going to hammer someone.

Just... anyone? Or someone in particular?

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If Abbadon was scum, he's the only one killed.

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Well.

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Whiskers, what made you choose to hammer Abbadon over Nexus?

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I'm not so sure. I can definitely see it, but I'm not 100% yet.

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I keep forgetting who replaced who in the backread.
Zoroaster=Abaddon
Om=Nexus
River=Whiskers

I kind of want to lynch Whiskers just because Natural_River was an idiot, but that's not Whiskers' fault.

Both of your slots voted for Om at some stage, so I can't find anything useful there.

VOTE: Om of the nom

Vote: Om the Nom

River did it early on, so there wouldn't have been any real threat of the lynch going through. But guille waited until Whiskers had moved the vote before voting so that Om was still L-1.

Abbadon is the only confirmed town, so I guess I could sheep them?

Vote: Natural_river

GG guys.

Please lynch Whiskers next.

Points pretty conclusively toward River/Whiskers.

Gah. I hate lylo. I'm not going to vote yet.

[N]

Where is that rascally Whiskers?

[N]

I hate to base the case on Whiskers around an idiot predecessor, but the only other game I could find of Natural_river (it's hard when the account's been deleted) is Micro 47, which was Think Twice. He was the goon there and voted for his godfather.

He was caught cheating in a newbie game, so I presume he's not the smartest of people. I had previously thought this meant he wouldn't have dared vote for his godfather, but I can see him thinking of it as good gambit and doing it in both games.

Also Whiskers just won another vengeful game (Open 451) as scum by lurking.

On the other hand, your play in this game has been just as non-existent and so I'm not confident.

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I thought vengefuls were supposed to be quick? This game has just dragged.

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Okay, rereading the whole thread while we wait for Whiskers to grace us with her presence.

Well N, life is full of surprises, people die sometimes.
This was actually not a test on what you guys would react to the question, but more a test to see what
you would react to what I would react to your answers.
Wow, that was confusing...

But what I can say is that the only one's reaction I liked, was N's...
I like the idea of it, but it isn't fully correct.
I don't know why Zoroaster is openly asking Om of the nom on who to vote.

Zoroaster, are you trying to make an obvious mafia-read so we overlook it,
because it is too obvious?

Fuck, Natural_river was an idiot. This post is horrible.

N that seems a lot like miss representation. I get a town felling from River. I also get a town read from Om. So For me at this point find N and Zoro as scum. It's just a matter of who is the godfather.

Guille's only strong read is that Om is town.

I like how anybody has yet to question my read on guille lol.

This reads like Om wanting someone to call him out on his bussing.

Wow, ALL parties in this game are being antagonistic.
NatRiver is asking weirdass philisophical questions about exploding babies . I know, I know, RQS, and it's too early to detract from scumhunting. But jesus, what does that have to do with fucking

anything

?
Om, I believe is smarter than he's acting. Zor's attack on you was "You did something scummy", not "You didn't give us answers". You answering the questions NOW would not erase the scummy way you answered them before.
N is being an asshole, in the later pages. Zor's "hypothetical bullshit" TOTALLY had relevance to the game: he was demonstrating how a scumtell can't be undone. I don't really believe N doesn't understand this. Also, PAge 3 or so, instead of looking at the post he's supposed to refer to, he just yells some more.
As for Zor himself, it wouldn't have killed him to link or re-quote the post his weird-ass sentence apparently refers to. Being a stubborn cunt? I have a gut townread here though.

Whiskers replaces in and essentially calls everyone fuckwits.

Somebody look at Guille's ISO, though.
0: confirm, 1: fluff, 2: fluff, 3: reads, 4: clarify, 5: filler.
6: Ask Zoro's reads. 7: Ask River's reads. 8: express confusion over River's alt's post.
9: says that his reads have changed, but not what they are. 10: V/LA announcement.
11: asks River her read on Om (again), 12: "Yay, a pony" asks my read on himself.
13 and 14 came just now:
13: Asks Om his read on me. 14: asks N if he would lynch me, not Zor. What happened to that River townread?

We've seen not so much activity from you, guille. Everyone else has 30 some posts, you have under half that. Five of them are needless. Six of them are questions (that you never follow up on). Three are game-related, but your reads hold no weight because you don't have any reasons behind them...
And, look, this is me OMGUSsing, but You go from a townread on my slot and a One-of-each read on N and Zor, to "Hey N, would you lynch Whiskers instead?"

Vote: Guille

Sorry. Had a townread on you, until I read your ISO. You post so seldom that I didn't really read you as scummy in my readthrough.

This attack of guille feels way over-the-top, especially the bit where Whiskers gets riled up over guille asking me whether I'd lynch her.

Anyway, back on track: do you agree with Zoroaster's assertion that answering questions sarcastically is a scum-tell?

Yes, probably.
Would have had a bigger scumread on Om if he kept "not understanding."

#147, GuilleI don't know yet. Probably not Zoroaster, which leaves N and Om.

But: Let me put it this way. If you are the godfather, I don't need to know the second scum. If you are the goon, I will look for associative tells, as few as they will be. If you are town, you can shoot me.

It looks like Whiskers caught some scummy behaviour from Om, but didn't want to draw too much attention to it and just brushed it off and changed the subject.

Ok, I think that you are Town Whiskers. Because your play is completely the opposite of Natural River's reads. I would think that if you were scum you'd share some of them. That is not definite though. But your play is town aligned and I had a town read on NR.

I disagree with this point, but that's irrelevant because you're not both scum.

As for relying on Busing. Well. I had two townreads, NR and Om. I kept my townread on whiskers since it has been satisfactory for me. But Om's town read contradicts the connections that I have and the Town read on Whiskers. Like I said: from my prespective there is 1 scum between Om and Whiskers and 1 scum between N and Zoro. I am not certain for the latter, but I am certain for the first group mostly based on my town read of Whiskers.

Guille's trying to force two 1v1s with flimsy reasonings.

You have literally given us two coin flips. Show us your web, because you keep referencing a bunch of abstract associations that we havn't seen.

Well, N and Zoro cannot be both scum. Any one could have gotten the other Lynched. If that's the case, then the other scum is between Whisker, Om, and me. I know I am town and I have a town read on Whiskers. The last one left is OmNom. That is the simplest form I can put it.

I was also saying that Whiskers and Om cannot be both scum independently from N and Zoro because they both seemed antagonistic to each other. At a much less degree than the other pair, which could be a simple game of bus the GF. If this is the case then both N and Zoro are town. Which again will mean that Om is scum.

From all the ways I see it, Om is in the middle as scum.

The only way I could be wrong is if one of N or Zoro is scum and Whiskers is the other scum. But my only town read of this game is on Whiskers. So, I have no doubt of my vote.

I am convinced. N is painfully ObvTown, Om is painfully obvscum, N_R/Whiskers is probably scum, and Guille is probably Town by PoE.

I'm going to hammer someone.

Just... anyone? Or someone in particular?

in short: he was a dick. Both would have killed the other-- except I suppose Nexus wouldn't have killed anybody.

This is a pretty shit reason.

Sorry, what was I supposed to do? Pick one of you to attack and build a case?

Well, yes. It's lylo; I know you've done this sort of thing before.

Well, I'm 90% or so sure of my vote. But I don't want to vote until you replay just in case. I will also not say who it is so that it might not influence your statement. But don't worry as soon as you write your statement I will vote. (Sundays are hard for me to replay though, but I'll try. )

How do you think Whiskers will be influenced by your vote? It's either going to be on her or on me.

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Where is Whiskers?

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What timezone is Whiskers is? It's Monday here; surely it's at least Sunday evening for Whiskers by now? This is getting really frustrating.

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If Whiskers is affected by Sandy or something, I'm going to feel like a jerk, but otherwise: why would you make a promise you can't keep?

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I figured that's what you were trying to say. Although I thought it might have been because you were drunk rather than autocorrect.

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This is pissing me off. Whiskers has been posting elsewhere.

Mod, can you prod Whiskers please?

[N]

To be honest, I'm likely to vote Whiskers as well. Not yet, though.

[N]

Well then.

VOTE: Whiskers

Time's running out, so I'm going to have to vote one way or another.

[N]

I just realised I have the worst timing. None of you (including Buttonmen) are likely to be on for several hours yet and I'll be sitting here anxious about whether I made the right decision until then.

[N]

Now that this is over, can I ask whether anyone else thought I might have been in the wrong with the Zoroaster thing?