Micro 50 (Vengeful Game Over)

[Whiskers]

Yo yo yo pony up in da' thread.

[Whiskers]

Wow, ALL parties in this game are being antagonistic.
NatRiver is asking weirdass philisophical questions about exploding babies . I know, I know, RQS, and it's too early to detract from scumhunting. But jesus, what does that have to do with fucking

anything

?
Om, I believe is smarter than he's acting. Zor's attack on you was "You did something scummy", not "You didn't give us answers". You answering the questions NOW would not erase the scummy way you answered them before.
N is being an asshole, in the later pages. Zor's "hypothetical bullshit" TOTALLY had relevance to the game: he was demonstrating how a scumtell can't be undone. I don't really believe N doesn't understand this. Also, PAge 3 or so, instead of looking at the post he's supposed to refer to, he just yells some more.
As for Zor himself, it wouldn't have killed him to link or re-quote the post his weird-ass sentence apparently refers to. Being a stubborn cunt? I have a gut townread here though.

[Whiskers]

The answer wasn't the point. At the point he noticed it, it wasn't something you could fix by going and answering all of the questions nicely. the scumtell is that you did it sarcastically the first time.

Like in his example: If you OMGUS (answer the questions sarcastically), and Zor votes you for it, just because you unvote (give good answers) NOW, doesn't mean that you didn't OMGUS (sarcasm), or that you aren't scummy for it.

Do you understand yet?

[Whiskers]

You've been quiet. You're the only player who hasn't been a dick-- but you've also not been posting as much.
[Something about questions] [something about following up on one's questions]

You're probably a townread.

@N: I'm supposed to buddy myself?

[Whiskers]

@N: I'm supposed to buddy myself?

The idea is that you know your predecessor's reads were "sincere" and because (in the event you replace into a town slot) you know the opinion of another confirmed town player. Surely you've replaced in before and know how this works? Instead you come in and call everyone dicks (including your predecessor) or a lurker.

Anyway, back on track: do you agree with Zoroaster's assertion that answering questions sarcastically is a scum-tell?

Right... they may have been sincere, but that doesn't mean she was playing pro-town, or not-stupidly. I have counted four player slots who have had an active hoof in making finding scum go less smoothly, and one that just checks in.

I have your answer in this sealed envelope. I'm waiting for Om to reply to my last post to him, then I'll open it.

Somebody look at Guille's ISO, though.
0: confirm, 1: fluff, 2: fluff, 3: reads, 4: clarify, 5: filler.
6: Ask Zoro's reads. 7: Ask River's reads. 8: express confusion over River's alt's post.
9: says that his reads have changed, but not what they are. 10: V/LA announcement.
11: asks River her read on Om (again), 12: "Yay, a pony" asks my read on himself.
13 and 14 came just now:
13: Asks Om his read on me. 14: asks N if he would lynch me, not Zor. What happened to that River townread?

We've seen not so much activity from you, guille. Everyone else has 30 some posts, you have under half that. Five of them are needless. Six of them are questions (that you never follow up on). Three are game-related, but your reads hold no weight because you don't have any reasons behind them...
And, look, this is me OMGUSsing, but You go from a townread on my slot and a One-of-each read on N and Zor, to "Hey N, would you lynch Whiskers instead?"

Vote: Guille

Sorry. Had a townread on you, until I read your ISO. You post so seldom that I didn't really read you as scummy in my readthrough.

[Whiskers]

I will admit to that. I skimmed the ISO and went "Hey, this is all bullshit fluff!" and then wrote my post.

So.

But, do look at his reads posts: ISO3, where he gives his reads. ISO9, where he... makes a reference to reads but doesn't actually give any information.
Look at his question posts: 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 14. And, they're just questions. No further investigation. It's up to you to decide if he's actually reading the thread.

I haven't done an ISO on any other players.
But why do you say I have a massive confirmation bias? What makes you say that? He has fewer than one-half real posts that any other playerslot has, and even his content-containing posts are scummy and bad.

[Whiskers]

Anyway, back on track: do you agree with Zoroaster's assertion that answering questions sarcastically is a scum-tell?

Yes, probably.
Would have had a bigger scumread on Om if he kept "not understanding."

#147, GuilleI don't know yet. Probably not Zoroaster, which leaves N and Om.

But: Let me put it this way. If you are the godfather, I don't need to know the second scum. If you are the goon, I will look for associative tells, as few as they will be. If you are town, you can shoot me.

[Whiskers]

Only if I am town.

[Whiskers]

Zoro/abaddon cannot be the goon if NR is the GodFather. Likewise to N.

I don't see this, please explain and quote. I'd say Zoro isn't the godfather if NR is the goon, or if N is the goon--

Still, I think you're putting too much into reads here. A goon can park a vote on the godfather at L-1 for pages if there's no sign of lynching it.

[Whiskers]

sorry, not "too much into reads", you're putting too much reliance on bussing.

[Whiskers]

Zoro/abaddon cannot be the goon if NR is the GodFather. Likewise to N.

I don't see this, please explain and quote. I'd say Zoro isn't the godfather if NR is the goon, or if N is the goon--

Still, I think you're putting too much

into reads

reliance on bussing

here. A goon can park a vote on the godfather at L-1 for pages if there's no sign of lynching it.

Zoroster has had that vote on NR for a while. With the posibility of having town quick vote, I think that that risk is too heavy. N thought that NR was the Goon. If he were actually the Goon and then said that of the godfather. Lynching Zoroster would have been a bad Idea. Not only is he stuck with a One of the two is scum, but Zoro might likely go and Kill NR since he has his sights on it. Zoro kept the vote on NR relentlessly, through the argument with N. It's true that it could have been a ploy to protect the GF on LyLo, but I think is too risky. Granted not a certain thing.

This is stupid. It would be perfectly fine for Zoro(town) to vengekill NR(GF). Plus, wouldn't we then have a nice juicy townread on N for correctly calling NR scum?

As for relying on Busing. Well. I had two townreads, NR and Om. I kept my townread on whiskers since it has been satisfactory for me. But Om's town read contradicts the connections that I have and the Town read on Whiskers. Like I said: from my prespective there is 1 scum between Om and Whiskers and 1 scum between N and Zoro. I am not certain for the latter, but I am certain for the first group mostly based on my town read of Whiskers.

You have literally given us two coin flips. Show us your web, because you keep referencing a bunch of abstract associations that we havn't seen.

[Whiskers]

Page 6: Whiskers replaces in with his usual idiocy.

Are you Pine?

[Whiskers]

Oh-- sorry, I hadn't noticed the header of the case-post.

[Whiskers]

Nexus: if you were mislynched, who would you hammer?

[Whiskers]

*If you were mislynched, who would you vig?

I'm going to hammer someone.

[Whiskers]

so, it doesn't matter who is killed, they both die. Right?

Vote: Abbadon

OMGUS.

[Whiskers]

You mean, you used to be pleasant?

[Whiskers]

in short: he was a dick. Both would have killed the other-- except I suppose Nexus wouldn't have killed anybody.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, what was I supposed to do? Pick one of you to attack and build a case?
Can I V/LA in these vengeful games? I'm busy this week.

[Whiskers]

If you already know who you're going to vote for, do so. I'm not going to be able to delve until Sunday, and I don't wish to have to do so for nothing.

[Whiskers]

So.
N, you quoted me and said something like "The part where Whiskers got riled up about guille asking to lynch her is scummy". I don't see it-- where I was riled up.

I don't have a motivation for this game. A little late to replace out, right? After reading both of you in ISO, I have to go with Guille-scum again. The closest I can come (it

is

0219hrs) briefly, is to say that Guilee said, "Whiskers-slot and Om are my townreads" up until I attacked him, then said, "Hey want to lynch whiskers?" --and now that Om, the "one of them will flip scum", flipped scum, has turned to attack his other townread.

His posting is limited and unhelpful.

But yeah, it really bugs me that guille goes, "Oh, Om and River are townreads! Wait, River(Whiskers) is attacking me?? BETTER CHANGE MY READ!"

[preedit]
sorry. I guess I slept instead of hitting "submit".

[Whiskers]

"His posting is limited and unhelpful. " I don't think you can say that after I went on the offensive.

Why not? Lurk until endgame and make a strong attack for scumwin.

" --and now that Om, the "one of them will flip scum", flipped scum, has turned to attack his other townread. " Well, what can I say.
Reads change and people make mistake.

Ok.

However here is the kicker:

#147, GuilleI don't know yet. Probably not Zoroaster, which leaves N and Om.

But: Let me put it this way. If you are the godfather, I don't need to know the second scum. If you are the goon, I will look for associative tells, as few as they will be. If you are town, you can shoot me.

Whisker clearly considers N and Om as more likely scum than Zoroster. Of course under the guise of (It doesn't matter who I vote for since they will kill each other) He votes for Abaddon (Zoroster's Slot). If he was town he would have voted the player that he thought was likely scum.

Wait, wait, "reads change". This was three days and thirty more posts, not of Zoroster, but of Zoroster's replacement shitting at me.

N is confirmed town.

vote: guille

Shrug. I've played my cards.

[Whiskers]

Yeah. Om's not allowed to ask me to replace in as his scumbuddy anymore, since both times he did so, he replaced out of the game. I'm joining to play

with

you, god damn it.

[Whiskers]

Yeah. Om's not allowed to ask me to replace in as his scumbuddy anymore, since both times he did so, he replaced out of the game. I'm joining to play

with

you, god damn it.

No last time I asked you I ended up getting killed the same night.

Sorry for replacing out though, I seriously couldn't continue and I didn't want to give my team a loss because I was being really inactive.

Last time

I

recall... Or maybe it was just that I

joined

that game because you wanted me in it.

Idk. Won't be a problem again-- at least, I won't replace into a setup I wouldn't play normally.

[Whiskers]

btw: guille did well. had to do my best to attack him, especially had to get him OUT once he started being good. Because he was being good.