Micro 50 (Vengeful Game Over)

[guille2015]

/confirm

[guille2015]

I'm gay I won't ever have a pregnant wife

In the future you might have a pregnant husband. I've seen Junior, I know it can happen.

[guille2015]

In my country everyone runs the red light, so it should not be a problem to run it too.

[guille2015]

N that seems a lot like miss representation. I get a town felling from River. I also get a town read from Om. So For me at this point find N and Zoro as scum. It's just a matter of who is the godfather.

[guille2015]

/Pedant Nobody

I thought you were town mostly because of that post.

[guille2015]

Pretty much

[guille2015]

Zoro: Is N scum?

[guille2015]

River

: Do you still think that Om is scum? Is he the godfather?

[guille2015]

Who's this?

[guille2015]

The bickering between N and Zoro makes me think that I am wrong about thinking that they are both scum. I do not share Om's N read but N has come up on top for me in this discussion.

[guille2015]

I'll have Limited Access until Monday.

Noted - The Mod

[guille2015]

Hmmm.

I need to check something out. But I need for Natural to respond to the following:

Natural:

Are you still thinking that Om is scum? What's your opinion on the N vs Zoro debate? Any reads on anybody else?

[guille2015]

Yay! A Pony.

So, Whiskers, What's your read on me?

[guille2015]

Om Nom: Do you see me as scum? What's your read on Whisker?

[guille2015]

@N: Would you be willing to Lynch Whisker instead of Zoroaster?

[guille2015]

@N: Would you be willing to Lynch Whisker instead of Zoroaster?

[guille2015]

Look at his question posts: 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 14. And, they're just questions. No further investigation. It's up to you to decide if he's actually reading the thread.

Yes, I have asked lots of questions. I am trying to get a feel of how this game is played since it's my first Vengeful and a mistake could mean gameover. The questions were done to get people to talk about something I want to know, but I did not think that at the time it required feedback to such simple questions.

I want N to answer my question Above so that I can complete my understanding of this playerset (Your response to the following question too, whiskers). I can't say much now because it will ruin the surprise.

Your actions Whiskers have been really helpful. But I'd like to know who do you think is the other scum.

I promise that after you two respond I will make a post of awesomeness followed by a vote.

[guille2015]

But seriously, get off your ass and do something. What is so important about how Whiskers and I respond to your mediocre questions that you can't do anything else in the meantime?

Because if you are the Goon and Whiskers is the godfather, you would never switch your vote. I am trying to gauge that information from here.

[guille2015]

Ok, I think that you are Town Whiskers. Because your play is completely the opposite of Natural River's reads. I would think that if you were scum you'd share some of them. That is not definite though. But your play is town aligned and I had a town read on NR.

From my point of view (which is from the point of view of me being town, take that for what it's worth):

OM and NR/Whiskers cannot be both Scum. N and Zoro/Abadon cannot be both scum. These two groups have been bussing each other. Om with less intensity for NR but still busing. If one of the is the GF then this strategy would have been too risky for scum. With that said I can assume that there is 1 scum in each group. Zoro/abaddon cannot be the goon if NR is the GodFather. Likewise to N. So NR is not the godfather. OM completely ignores the N/Zoro group. And his reply to my question is depressing. NR goes after N. And so Does Whiskers. If they are the Goon, that would mean that Zoro is the GodFather. This pair is faulty. Mostly because I don't see it working that way. Besides, I find NR to be Town. Which makes things easier. Om is guarantee to be Scum. And I believe he is the godfather. He left the N and Zoro thing alone. Whoever got Lynched there, if Town, will either kill the other or Kill NR (efectively winning the game). Om has also taken a back seat in this game. So, regardless of who is scum between Zoro and n, Om is scum, very likely to be the GodFather.

Vote: Om the Nom

BTW, Whiskers. All of my questions were leading up to that. I couldn't really comment much of my questions because I didn't want Scum to change their initial position to make my conclusion erroneous.

[guille2015]

If you are town, you can shoot me.

This is not pro-town and would lose the game.

[guille2015]

Zoro/abaddon cannot be the goon if NR is the GodFather. Likewise to N.

I don't see this, please explain and quote. I'd say Zoro isn't the godfather if NR is the goon, or if N is the goon--

Still, I think you're putting too much

into reads

reliance on bussing

here. A goon can park a vote on the godfather at L-1 for pages if there's no sign of lynching it.

Zoroster has had that vote on NR for a while. With the posibility of having town quick vote, I think that that risk is too heavy. N thought that NR was the Goon. If he were actually the Goon and then said that of the godfather. Lynching Zoroster would have been a bad Idea. Not only is he stuck with a One of the two is scum, but Zoro might likely go and Kill NR since he has his sights on it. Zoro kept the vote on NR relentlessly, through the argument with N. It's true that it could have been a ploy to protect the GF on LyLo, but I think is too risky. Granted not a certain thing.

As for relying on Busing. Well. I had two townreads, NR and Om. I kept my townread on whiskers since it has been satisfactory for me. But Om's town read contradicts the connections that I have and the Town read on Whiskers. Like I said: from my prespective there is 1 scum between Om and Whiskers and 1 scum between N and Zoro. I am not certain for the latter, but I am certain for the first group mostly based on my town read of Whiskers.

[guille2015]

You have literally given us two coin flips. Show us your web, because you keep referencing a bunch of abstract associations that we havn't seen.

Well, N and Zoro cannot be both scum. Any one could have gotten the other Lynched. If that's the case, then the other scum is between Whisker, Om, and me. I know I am town and I have a town read on Whiskers. The last one left is OmNom. That is the simplest form I can put it.

I was also saying that Whiskers and Om cannot be both scum independently from N and Zoro because they both seemed antagonistic to each other. At a much less degree than the other pair, which could be a simple game of bus the GF. If this is the case then both N and Zoro are town. Which again will mean that Om is scum.

From all the ways I see it, Om is in the middle as scum.

The only way I could be wrong is if one of N or Zoro is scum and Whiskers is the other scum. But my only town read of this game is on Whiskers. So, I have no doubt of my vote.

[guille2015]

Page 7: @guille: Your logic in 152 is nonsense. A scum replacement that's taking over a highly-suspected slot that had been pushing bad reads is BETTER served by changing those positions, not parroting them.

This is correct. But it is not the only thing that makes me think that way. Still I took that into consideration when I picked Om as scum over Whiskers.

[guille2015]

Hang on. You

have

two town-reads: Om and Whiskers, but you think there's scum in one of those two?

Had. That changed later when I realized that at least one of them is scum.

[guille2015]

Whiskers is the last mafia. What do you think N?

[guille2015]

Come on Whiskers, give me something that I can work from. Prove to me that you are not scum.

[guille2015]

Well, what can I say. You were quite adamant that I was scum when you unvoted Om. Subsequently I wanted Om's lynch, making the case that he was the godfather.

Abbadon makes sense when he says that it is likely that you are the mafia.

My problem is that River had voted for Om, which is not something I see the goon doing. At least not somebody without experience. I could see Om directing River to vote for him, though, so I am taking Abaddon's argument seriously. The Only reason why I have not voted for you (whiskers) is because I have a gut feeling on N being the goon. I am going to give it more thought at the matter, but you not being here is not helping.

I guess I am going to have to reread everything and see if there is anything out there. But it's hard because you two are not particularly helping. (Thanks for your reply though N). Still there is plenty of time for the deadline.

I can hear abaddon's teeth grinding that I am not automatically voting Whiskers.

Whiskers

: Will you be able to give this game a thorough review on the weekend?

N

: As I will do, try to figure out this game out. If you're Town, I think you can give me the reason on why that is, and I will tell you why I am town.

MOD: When is the deadline?

[guille2015]

So, Natural has a "history" of voting for the Godfather. However, It is not clear if he would do that on a Vengeful. It was early thought and when whiskers replaced he unvoted.

As for me, I admit the first posts of mine were of little addition. But when I voted for Om I was on par with the rest.

[guille2015]

I'm just here waiting for whisker's to make some statement. I already know who I'm going to vote for.

[guille2015]

Well, I'm 90% or so sure of my vote. But I don't want to vote until you replay just in case. I will also not say who it is so that it might not influence your statement. But don't worry as soon as you write your statement I will vote. (Sundays are hard for me to replay though, but I'll try. )

[guille2015]

I am 90% sure. So voting without my confidence is not a particularly good thing to do. Also, if whiskers is the scum, me saying I think xx is the scum would have whiskers respond in reaction to my option. Thus muddying what I have in mind.

[guille2015]

Certainly he sí writting años epic post.

[guille2015]

Certainly he sí writting años epic post.

"Certainly he is writing and epic post."

Spanish auto correct makes things better.

[guille2015]

I haven't been drunk in quite a while. Kinda miss it though

[guille2015]

Agreed. This is very similar to whisker's lurking scum meta.

[guille2015]

Yes, Abaddon was right. Whiskers is the last scum.

What had me stumped was that I had placed everyone in pairs that were not likely to be scum together. I paired N and Zoroaster as an unlikely scum pair. Additionally that is why I changed my mind on Om. I thought that was clear. The fact that NR voted for Om early in the game, made me think that it would be impossible for NR to bus the godfather. But it wasn't a particularly strong threat and that's what Abaddon lead me to think about.

as for Whisker's latest post:
"His posting is limited and unhelpful. " I don't think you can say that after I went on the offensive.
" --and now that Om, the "one of them will flip scum", flipped scum, has turned to attack his other townread. " Well, what can I say. I have only attacked you once: In Post 197. This was actually me trying to get N riled up or to see if he would side with me hopeing that you would not respond. He didn't he reacted in a way I would not expect scum to react. The next full post of mine, I say: "The Only reason why I have not voted for you (whiskers) is because I have a gut feeling on N being the goon. " Reads change and people make mistake. And I am one that am willing to not be stubborn enough to think that I am always right.

However here is the kicker:

#147, GuilleI don't know yet. Probably not Zoroaster, which leaves N and Om.

But: Let me put it this way. If you are the godfather, I don't need to know the second scum. If you are the goon, I will look for associative tells, as few as they will be. If you are town, you can shoot me.

Whisker clearly considers N and Om as more likely scum than Zoroster. Of course under the guise of (It doesn't matter who I vote for since they will kill each other) He votes for Abaddon (Zoroster's Slot). If he was town he would have voted the player that he thought was likely scum.

Vote Whiskers

Now I'm 100% sure.

[guille2015]

High Five N! Town Won.

[guille2015]

Woop! Yeah I was overcautious. This was my first vengeful and I wanted to test somethings out. I managed to pinpoint the Godfather. Thanks to Abaddon, I did not vote N and took a hard look at my reads on Whiskers. Luckily, that could have backfired since the read changes are not looked kindly upon. Good Game.

[guille2015]

Now that this is over, can I ask whether anyone else thought I might have been in the wrong with the Zoroaster thing?

You weren't wrong, but it was taken too far. It was distracting and made it so that Om and his goon could course their way through. I couldn't tell which one of you was scum, which made it harder.