Mini 1,384: Dirty Dealing (Game over!)

[Voidedmafia]

I...have no fucking clue what just went on.

[Voidedmafia]

WWEEEELLL THAT MEANS WE LYNCH THE GOOD PEOPLE!

Uh-huh...

ps MoI and GreyICE are fellow bastards like me

I can accept that.

Also, HEY PARAMA!

kill: PMysterious

goodposting.

And parama is their a point in trying to get everyone to specifically say whether or not they have a PR?

And figuring out

post-restrictions

is a

bad

thing?

unkill, kill:Parama

VOTE: MoI

NOOO, YOU WERE DOING SO WELL!

If Grey didn't bring me bacon I'm gonna need to get some the old fashioned way.

If I was anywhere near here when this vote went down I'd have joined you.

I claim town. Also, I don't fully get the 2/3/4 of a kind mechanics. What is a follower ability? Also, as a guy who isn't TOO terrible at poker, I know that the odds of anyone making a pair are fairly small, also the odds of anyone making a 3 of a kind are basically that it isn't going to happen. So I would bet a lot that there is some role mechanic that manipulates cards.

Because A.) We should totally believe that claim, and B.) Explaining Poker spec is so tech.

Magna I also hope you will be sharing any spreadsheets you are creating so that those card abilities can be tracked.

Just don't expect me to do it <_<

I am not going to let your ass do what you did in Words with Scum.

Which is...what he does in practically every game?

Be specific, Mehdisoul. (or just Oversoul; wait, you weren't in WWS, were you?)

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: Parama
Tries too hard.

woooo

I feel honored

Do you normally go through every single posts from page 1 to 3 (or whatever) to wring out reads for yourself and make commentary on every piece of posts made?

When I'm back 5 pages? Yes.

[Voidedmafia]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Follower

I think that answers your follower question.

dafuq are you talking to?

FoS Sal.

MoI and Jester make the P1 town list.

P-edit: sure is.

PP-edit: Walls and triple posts already?

You sound disappointed. 'Tis what I expected.

Wait, what walls? TPs, yeah, but I don't see walls.

The question is how does asking grey is he town help you. Along with I'm assuming your vote is because you dislike the questions so I'm asking what's wrong with them (and if it's something else then what is it).

P-edit: That covers the first part so the second is left.

~Mehdi

Eh, sure, you can be town.

Didn't know you guys kicked this off without me.
VOTE: PMysterious
Show yourself, hideous creature!

More votes this way, please.

Vote: PMysterious

This is ALWAYS a good vote.

Because salamence claimed Scum?

lolololol.

You'll do after PM's gone.

I dunno about you guys, but claiming the game is bastard and not making it actually bastard can be bastard right?
So no matter how bastard or not the game is, by declaring the game is bastard, it already makes the game bastard.
I don't think this game is bastard, so StrangerCoug saying the game is bastard makes it a bastard game.

P-edit: Whoa, where?

Because making spec in general is tech.

Because salamence claimed Scum?

VOTE: Angrypidgeon
VOTE: Angrypidgeon
VOTE: Angrypidgeon

Oi, PM goes first.

And drmy I see 0 reason to name claim. All it does is makes counting cards possible and could make it easier for scum to know who might have pairs or more.

This feels like an argument from Words With Scum, only I don't want to ass myself with finding it there.

[Voidedmafia]

I...have no fucking clue what just went on.

welcome to a mafia game

Nono.

I mean, I usually can have SOME semblance of an idea. Getting into a game that got 5 pages already doesn't help with that -_-.

So it's a guess?
VOTE: GreyICE

Guesses can be correct, yknow.

PM's a better bet. You can get scum, and if he's not scum, we've gotten rid of a useless sack of data!

And figuring out post-restrictions is a bad thing?

It looked pointless before PRs actually started to appear.

And the last two quotes are from oversoul (I always sign mine).

~Mehdi

Looking for post-restrictions is almost never pointless when they're applicable, especially in bastards.

Seriously the guy married post restrictions a few years back I think

Wait, seriously?

So, has Gunny given up? I can hammer dat if we need to.

P-EDIT: Hmm, missed that on a re-read, apparantly. Funny how I got that on a skim but not a more concentrated reread.

Also, I think we ruled that as insubstantial, and that knowing who had what tiles was more effective. I think. WWS players can confirm/deny this.

[Voidedmafia]

I

do

know that Richard isn't Parama's alt. But by knowing the connection the two have I have an idea of who Parama is and what he's capable of.

Parama and RichardGHP are NOT the same person.

I can 100% garaun-fucking-tee that. (not that that isn't a bad thing, just that it isn't true)

Oh so Piggy is just a player on her own. I dunno her then.

where IS she, anyways?

Why do you think there are more than 3 scum?

...Pretty sure he doesn't mean "more than 3 scum." Apparantly you haven't seen the technique of people putting extra "s's" behind the word "scum."

*confused look*

Dafuq got your tongue?

Okay, that's enough of me making myself confirmed Town for today.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

As IF!

VOTE: drmyshotgun

Why is he scum?

You vote Gunny, and then ask why he's scum in the same post.

Bah, PM can wait. Gunny first, then you. Easy connections, yo.

Did you expressly just claim you don't understand why you're voting him?

Yes. Yes he did.

ANd he's scum for it.

THIS
GAME
STARTED
D:
Already
on
page
3
too...
I'll
get
to
my
reads
later
when
I'm
actually
on
my
computer
tomorrow.

...*sigh*

Great, ANOTHER post-restrition. And more annoying that Sala's. Just, please don't post long posts, okay, if you can help it?

[Voidedmafia]

You sound like you're policy lynching PM.

On page 5.

.-.

Because it's the best choice.

I don't give a damn

He might be scum
He might be town

Oh well if he sucks as a player
We may have a vig I dunno

So what are we gonna bribe this supposed vig with?

AP, Gunny, or PM. Let's get out priorities straight, alright?

We aren't PLing Pmyst.

SURE WE ARE! (okay, maybe not. We'll just lynch you or Gunny, then.)

Voided is actually pinging my scumdar a bit

But then again you're scum jester so w/e

But...I'm not being overly self-destructive, am I?

But I am not a scum.

But we don't think you're town...

Okay, I guess we can save PM for later (not MUCH later, I hope).

Intent to hammer Gunny, blah blah blah.

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: shotgun

BOY! THAT'S MY SPOT!

Edit: Except maybe what just popped up. What happened to these wall posts Magna usually makes? Oh well, not voting yet. Don't want to end the day by accident.

...And again, another fine example of PM's complete inability to actually read.

P-EDIT: Believe so, yes.

And yeah, why's AP town, PM?

[Voidedmafia]

Well, I just trust AP. Main point. If AP is scum, I'm gonna be slightly sad.

...Uh-huh.

What about Voided? Is it because he's mimicking Parama minus the drugs?

Because I'm supposed to catch up in some other way?

Hai guyz

When I'm dead and Gunny is flipped scum y'all better remember this.

...For good or for bad?

P-EDIT: Take a drink, folks, now that's PM's failed to read!

[Voidedmafia]

*really wishes he has bullets*

I'd hope you'd shoot PM if you did.

[Voidedmafia]

Nightkill me and find out~

But I like you...

At least I know Magna's town-meta and this is not it.

Lol.

I do find the hammer suspect, but that's because of the hammer itself, not the hammerer.

yeah Grey Voided is high on the "to be dead list"

Because?

META

SHUT UP!

Anyway, using someone's meta is actually a viable piece of information for Town. Magna's meta is easy to read in my opinion. Wall posts= Almost Town Magna.

No Wall Posts= Usually Scum. Simple as that.

Wow, you can actually post something has has a semblance of being goodposting.

...And then you go back to being useless one poost later.

Okay now I want to policy lynch PM too

Funny that

You know our pain, now.

^What. but no seriously hes scum. His post was SO scummy.

1. Why you no let me post, Im so upset about that!
2. I want town cred for his scum flip!
3. But seriously guys, GreyICe was BUSSING on this one and totally not MoI.

Notice that she acknowledges that bussing happened. She knows Drmy's alignmnent. shes scum.

No, Shahrizai is dying Tomorrow. She is definitely scum.

Well, that does make sense, I suppose.

P-EDIT: Because it's the same as almost every other post he's done on this site. It contains no useful information and no meaningful engagement with anyone even though it's a good oppurtunity to do so. It's basically useless fluff of the worst kind.

[Voidedmafia]

What? 171? It's full of shit.

168 IS a good post. I even said so. 171 is not. Or am I supposed to take his talk about how Sha "could put up a good fight" as words worth something?

P-EDIT: Okay, yes, he's admittedly doing far better in this game than in any I've seen him in, but it's nothing to write about so far.

192 IS pretty good, though. He can be off the PL list (for now).

And yes, I'm pretty sure you are, gunny.

@Post 196 I think they expect you do more than that.

[Voidedmafia]

No... the post I actually quoted and specifically mentioned you needing to reread.

You didn't quote anything, though...[/quote]

P-EDIT, no there's more than that, I'm sure.

[Voidedmafia]

[quote="In post 143, Voidedmafia"

Edit: Except maybe what just popped up. What happened to these wall posts Magna usually makes? Oh well, not voting yet. Don't want to end the day by accident.

...And again, another fine example of PM's complete inability to actually read.
[/quote]
Wait, you mean this?

I was referring to the end part. "Don't want to end the day by accident". 'Course, that was under the assumption that MoI had hammered, hence why I said he was being illieterate.

P-EDIT: Oh, I guess I counted wrong.

Vote: Drmyshotgun

[Voidedmafia]

If there's Vig, plz shoot PMysterious.
Also, read Salamance's iso too.

Voided is actually a much better shot.

I can understand PM this game unlike some of the others I have read. He has townie intent.

Thank you oh so much...

Well, that post is better since MoI wasn't actually hammering.

Soul, I said it was illiterate because I thought MoI was the hammer and thus talking about "not wanting to end the day" was equivalent to not reading what just happened. Now that it's apparant that MoI DIDN'T hammer, it's a better post.

Jeez.

[Voidedmafia]

Let the record state that this is a confession of being scum by Voided.

Bastard moniker does not excuse bad play.

Also, that's not a scumclaim. That's a "claiming someone else wasn't reading when in fact you weren't" claim, which I'll admit to have done. And I apologize for misreading that post.

P-EDIT: Wut.

[Voidedmafia]

Think about it...

...So he acted like a co-mod (which was actually pretty funny). Sure, he hasn't posted since then, but what about all that is scummy?

[Voidedmafia]

If there is a vig please shoot Voided. This is not a policy lynch. This is not a gambit or anything stupid.

This is about his play this game.

Please shoot Voided.

Okay, so because I misread the gamestate itself and thus drew an false conclusion about a post (that I just admitted to and apologized for upon realizing this), suddenly I'm vigbait?

Really?

pedit: Voided, I think it is supposed to be a joke given his name. Either way, KJ and NS are useless players so far (NS is usually useless forever) so they can go too.

...Oh. Now I get it. (see? It just takes awhile, sometimes.)

P-EDIT: KJ, pretty sure neither is true. Bold Blue is his usually mod colors, I believe, and in rule 9 SC said his co-mod was "nobody", hence why he acted like a co-mod.

And, well, I missed that. Apologies.

P-EDIT: So I'm town put you want me vigged?

[Voidedmafia]

P-EDIT: So I'm town put you want me vigged?

Only fucking scum act this willfully ignorant.

"For the town record" does not translate in any language "town for the record are".

It means for town, I am recording who is present, but not doing anything at the time of my post.

~ OS

No, sometimes people misunderstand (or fail at reading comprehension).

P-EDIT: Classic diversion attempts, Gunny?

Scum can do it just as much as town can.

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE COUNT

drmyshotgun (4): GreyICE, Salamence20, AngryPidgeon, Nobody Special

unvote, vote: Shotgun

VOTE COUNT

drmyshotgun (5): GreyICE, Salamence20, AngryPidgeon, Nobody Special, Parama

shotgun

VOTE COUNT

drmyshotgun (6): GreyICE, Salamence20, AngryPidgeon, Nobody Special, Parama, MagnaofIllusion

So, that's before I voted. No unvotes in between.

Vote: Drmyshotgun

VOTE COUNT

drmyshotgun (7): GreyICE, Salamence20, AngryPidgeon, Nobody Special, Parama, MagnaofIllusion, Voidedmafia.

Yeah, nice try, Grey.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm guessing Salamence was told in his PM that he is a dayvig. His insistence on continuously trying to get that point across is probably from town.

What. It's annoying filler and useless series of posts that contain nothing.

Prime example of confirmation bias, Mehdisoul.

Gunny, I think you've skimmed over him a bit too much. 168 and 192 are :goodposting:

P-EDIT: BB did it in Good Vs. Evil, Lawful vs. Chaos, and he was scum there. Him posting that much is null in and of itself.

PP-EDIT: Um...

[Voidedmafia]

As for actual reasons, a lot of what he's posted is parroting, filler, or just discrediting.

I don't think I've parroted that much. Any discrediting I've done was toward PM.

How many of his own opinions has he given that aren't just pushing PM as policy? Try counting that.

If you've read my posts, you'd find this to be a nonzero number and that YOU are trying to discredit me.

And when called on PM not playing badly here he backs down to it probably just hoping to get an easy mislynch on him.

Nevermind the fact that I called 168 goodposting before you got on me for attmepting to be confirmation biased against him, and that I said 192 was goodposting without any prompting?

His vote on you is weak. He wanted to hammer, hammed, and because of what exactly? His main scum reads was just copy another person's scum reads.

Like AP? I've given some reason behind that, though I admit to having few scumreads. Townreads are rather plenty, though.

OS has already mentioned his hammer when we specifically asked to not end the day that quickly.

Okay, so I missed that post it when I posted. What does that prove (besides the fact that I didn't read carefully enough)?

P-EDIT: Posting a lot like this after being lynch (for real or for fake) IMO is not alignment-indicative. It's certainly helpful posthumously if he's town, but I don't find it telling of alignment while they're waiting for the axe to fall.

P-EDIT: (if the filler line is to me) Saying I'm a bunch of filler doesn't make it filler.

[Voidedmafia]

P-edit: KJ. What? If she is town then she doesnt know what shotgun will flip so why would his flip matter?

It's more of she is town because I can't imagine scum playing like that. Because scum

would

know what he'd flip.

MoI had presumably laid the hammer down. Scum wouldn't tie GreyICE to shotty via an incorrect bussing association if shotty was going to flip town.

This is a good point. I'd endorse some Sha pressure tomorrow.

[Voidedmafia]

I don't even remember what that P-EDIT was to anymore. People kept postjacking me.

Maybe I just saw the "Gunny has only 6 votes" and didn't read the rest. Again, one action does not always make terrible play, and unless you can show that I read and understood that post in its entirety and then blatantly ignored it to hammer Gunny, then you'll just have to deal.

P-EDIT:...no i didn't. I was pointing out how Gunny was a prime example of confirmation bias against PM, not you.

WHy don't YOU learn to read for once?

[Voidedmafia]

I'm guessing Salamence was told in his PM that he is a dayvig. His insistence on continuously trying to get that point across is probably from town.

What. It's annoying filler and useless series of posts that contain nothing.

Prime example of confirmation bias, Mehdisoul.

Gunny, I think you've skimmed over him a bit too much. 168 and 192 are :goodposting:

Ii would think the 2nd line where I specifically talk to Gunny would indicate that I'm not saying you have conf. bias.

(of course, if I'm taking the wrong post again, please tell me.)

[Voidedmafia]

Who wants to be a hero and hammer scum?

Denial of the fact that Gunny's already been hammered isn't making you any townier.

Unless you can link to a post between MoI's post and mine that's an unvote on Gunny.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm so bored
Can it be night yet

Get SC in here, then.

[Voidedmafia]

Gunny, I think you've skimmed over him a bit too much. 168 and 192 are :goodposting:

Was talking about Salamance there. Sorry for confusion?

...

I need to get to bed.

I've had more reading comprenhension fail tonight than I probably have over all my time on MS.

[Voidedmafia]

Saying you didn't see that post when there is clear evidence that you did "Oh, Miscount? LOLHAMMER!" is why I am distrustful.

It's a question of whether or not I parsed all the information correctly, which is unfortunately proof that neither of us can actually provide. That P-EDIT line can go either way.

*snip; comparison of WWS and this*

Then this morning, while I was taking a crap I was looking to see if any comments had been posted in this game it dawned on me.

You weren't scum in Words with Scum. You were town.

Your playstyle there and your playstyle here are nothing alike.

Well, having what appears to be MULTIPLE reading comprehension fails in the course of about 5 hours tends to do that.

@Voided

– Why exactly were you so upset in Post 143 that your ‘hammer’ was stolen?

Partially because I had said I was intending to hammer, and then you just came in and BAM! Hammer.

I do find the hammer suspect, but that's because of the hammer itself, not the hammerer.

So the hammer that wasn’t a hammer was suspect. Why? Details please.

Part of it is my own personal peeve with votes that don't seem to have clearly define reasons behind them (which yours didn't have at the time). I suppose this partially slips into problems with the hammerer as well, considering you're rather...verbose in explaining your stances, which was also suspect.

Of course, the fact that you were on V/LA at the time does allevate some of that (lack of an ability to explain yourself, for instance), but it still just felt off because of that, V/LA or not.

[Voidedmafia]

Partially because I had said I was intending to hammer, and then you just came in and BAM! Hammer.

I’ll be blunt – so what? If you think Shotgun is scum why do you care that your ‘hammer’ got stolen if scum get lynched?

Because...I said I wanted to hammer and then someone seemingly went ahead and did it before without bothering to check?

So this is a nice pile of bullshit. Your personal pet peeve is a ‘you’ issue. Not having explicitly defined reasons isn’t a direct scum-tell in any reliable way, especially on a single vote basis.

A lack of clear reasons for a vote isn't a "me" issue. Insisting on having said clear reads (even if they're bullshit) is my peeve. The former is more useful as a potential scumtell (or whatever), the latter is not.

I personally want to lynch people everytime I see the phrase “feels off” used as justification for why something is scummy. Gut isn’t any different than not giving a reason at all. That in of itself isn’t scummy (just like not giving explicit reasons isn’t) but matching “it’s gut” as an explanation with “you didn’t give reasoning” as a scum tell is a whole lot of Cognitive Dissonance.

Look, I don't like using that as a justification for scumminess either. I wish I could explain why I dislike the "hammer" vote beyond what I've just said, but I can't. As much as I dislike the use of gut for reasons, I know that it can't simply be dismissed either.

Had I added “Shotgun’s play feels off” with my vote would you be pursuing the line of thought you did?

I'd at least not be suspicious of the vote because it didn't have a reason, but then I'd be asking you what exactly felt off. And if you couldn't properly explain that, then I'd either vote you or be suspicious of you (depending on how I feel about where my vote is at the time).

(Yes, I'm aware of the implications of the above. That still doesn't change how I feel.)

[Voidedmafia]

P-edit: But why does it matter if you or MoI get the hammer???? Doesn't that give you more info on MoI? ISn't that good?

Yes, but that wasn't the point. It was basically like this to me:

Voided: Okay, I'm gonna hammer Gunny soon.
MoI: *"hammers" instead*
Voided: AKLJDAKLFJDAKLJFADLJKLA WHY'D YOU DO THAT IT WAS MY JOB ALJFLADJFLAK!

Basically, I was just reacting to the "hammer" rather than thinking about it.

[Voidedmafia]

Shoot you with my Strongman Vig tonight. Problem solved. Thanks for owning up to it!

*Looks at MoI*
*Confused look*

Funny as this is, it's not conclusive.

VOTE: Voided Both sides of the hydra completely agree with this vote and it will be explained more later.

*taps foot impatiently*

I'm

waiting

...

Scum talking about hypothetical flips that don't happen is not uncommon at all. In fact scum like to make a big deal about mispredicting or speculating about flips that end up going the other way.

This isn't specific to either side, though?

I'm pretty sure Nobody is a player, and not a co-mod. But that had me confused too.

He is, yes.

(pssst, NS lurking heavily is a scum-meta-tell. Lynch it soon.)

I need to reread Voided and MoI. Because her post is too confident to come from town.

(Pssst. I'm a guy. I think I'd know if I suddenly became a hermaphrodite.)

I mean really? She pops in, reads the entire goddamn thread and is sure enough of her drmy scum read to say "Oh ya hes scum and was probably bussed by GI actually!" Bullshit. Nope and more nope.

I trust this is referring mor to MoI than me because I never once stated that I thought Grey was bussing Gunny. I implied YOU were, though (even if it was a rather poor bus), in my response to your post 67.

Actually, confirm with me here: Are the two quotes I have above talking about me or MoI?

2. Vote on Voided to start today? Scum-claim if I ever saw one.

Huh?

You're calling that suspect when they've clearly indicated they want me dead and have more or less stated that nothing short of someone other than me becoming confscum would deter them from seeing me hang (or that I somehow don't become scum to them)?

MOI... Short sighted... You've clearly never played with him then...xD

All things considered, that is a rather short-sighted post from MoI. And I know for a fact that I and at least OS have played with MoI.

Maybe my interpretation is off because this is a bastard game, but votes immediately coming out at the start of the day aren't usually scumclaims. I'd HOPE MoI has some good reasoning for this because that reasoning is just stupid.

(I hope it's fine for me to make it look like a regular post.)

Soul, if it's going to be that long, just spoiler it anyways. I'm the only one who really needs to see it, anyways.)

[Voidedmafia]

...Oh, you're talking about Shah again.

You really should've put that on a separate line -_-.

[Voidedmafia]

...Oh, you're talking about Shah again.

You really should've put that on a separate line -_-.

LEARN TO FUCKING READ INSTEAD OF ASSUMING EVERYTHING

Assuming everything?

Why is it wrong me to think that she was listing off reasons for us to be scummy when MoI and my names were right before that? (Besides, I wasn't ALL "okay, I think this is what you mean, so X." <_<)

[Voidedmafia]

*quote wall from Salamence*

Really? Dolls? That post restriction is REALLY doing some problems with your typing skills. Sorry bud, I really love to help you, but I can't because you bypassed me in experience. Besides, I've been getting hated a LOT by many people over the 4 months I was on this site.

See, Soul? This is why I've maintained a PL status on him.

This post doesn't comment about how Sala reads us (which is what he does in the quotes). He doesn't try to ask Sala why he has those reads or what they mean. He doesn't even try to argue his towniness, my scumminess, or my towniness. Instead, he goes after the fact that Sala

used dolls to try and explain his point

.

I had hoped what came D1 was a sign of something better. It seems that I may be mistaken.

Not sure if serious claim.

I could ALMOST believe, considering who it's coming from. Almost.

Voided: Are you town? Don't lie.

Yes. Though your usage of your mod colors is getting annoying.

Voided we didn't give one reason you were scum. We gave a wall. Countering one even if we still say you showing lack of reading at times and wanting to kill pm for mistakes is still hypocritical (and the lack of reading is bad on its own) doesn't counter at all the other reasons why you are scum.

~Mehdi

...*facepalm*

(pssst, NS lurking heavily is a scum-meta-tell. Lynch it soon.)

*Looks at Voided*
*Points at calendar*
*Points at next day*

Yes, yes, I know. Point is it's one reason to point toward lynching NS, though it's not standalone.

Spoiler: response to Soul

Why does no one agree that Voided is scum? Why does no one even comment on that?

Upon hearing this actually stated, this does bother me somewhat. Only AP gave any sort of definitive read on me post-hammer (town because of the walls), while MoI does comment about some things regarding him but doesn't seem to actually give a read either way. Neither them nor anyone else in the 4-5 pages after the hammer ever mention problems with the hammer itself, reads on me, or comment on what you're saying to me. That's...unnatural, to say the least.

First I will give you recent meta on Voided. Words with Scum is a recently finished town game of his. Look at his iso. Notice the effort that he is putting in. He is inspecting players. He is looking for scum. Is this the Voided that you see here in this game? No. The Voided that you see here is being passive, defensive, and generally not helpful at all to the town. He is doing nothing but sitting on his hand and watch town lynch itself.

One notable difference I'd like you to be aware of is that with WWS I was there at the beginning (more or less) and was able to immerse myself into the game almost ASAP. Here I had 5 or so pages worth of RVS-like posts that I had to wade through. It's not hard and fast regarding me, but I do have some problems getting into the swing of things when I'm not there right at the start of the game.

Also, sitting on my hands? That is an outright lie.

Voided's first actual post is a hallmark of his play this game. He claims he is catching up, but he isn't actually contributing anything with the post. What content is even there? Where is the scumhunting? There isn't any scumhunting. He is posting about shit that is irrelevant to the thread in an effort to make it look like he is active. This is a trend that you will see in his future posts.

Asking you about post restrictions is one point of content.

Asking you about what you weren't going to let MoI do this game is another.

Post 116 is eerily similar to the post above. Why? Because Voided really doesn't give a fuck about finding scum in this game. What does he do in this post? Engages in a policy lynch on an easily readable albeit bad player,

Because prior to this game PM had made pretty much zero attempts to even

try

and be a good player by any stretch of the definition. It's not so bad that I'll never /in to the same game as him ever, but unless it was a do-or-die situation or otherwise not worth it I would advocate a PL on PM D1 every single time. Some of his posts D1 have given me pause on this view of him. There is the rest of the game to figure out whether or not he should still be called "useless," but if his play keeps the same quality as yesterday I'll at least not consider him PL material.

makes filler comments to my slot twice (dafuq and calling us town)

Calling you town is a filler comment?

calls Salamence the second "lynch" after PM is gone for whatever reasons.

nope, that was telling Sala to go after PM first.

It isn't even apparent whether that is a policy because it is Salamence who is another perceived bad player (although less so after the recent Disney game) or because he thinks Salamence is scummy.

To be frank, Sala is not necessarily PL material to me (though he's not a good player). I don't see him as scum, either (though what exactly his post restriction implies I haven't figured out yet, nor have i tried yet).

He then reaffirms his vote on PM by quoting a post of PM and being generally dismissive

Post of Gunny, not PM. Considering that the first time I actually quote a post of PM's is in 142 I find it weird that you'd mistake a post from Gunny as a post from PM.

He then asks a very lazy question that he could have easily found himself, especially since he has a memory of the game I referred unlike this slot who only read parts of the game.

Not really. All I really remember from that game is that I couldn't read MoI, some bare bones about our attempted strategy that game, and maybe one or two reads I had. That's about it.

Post 120 is very interesting. Specifically I am talking about how Voided continues to push the policy lynch on PM while also opening up the option of hammering DrMyShotgun. The funny thing? He talks to Shotgun in a nice, friendly way. A friendly way that does not come from someone who is suspicious of another player. At this point in the game he hasn't even made mention of finding DrMy scummy but he is already willing to hammer him?

Alright, I'll give you that I didn't articulate why I thought Gunny was scum, that much is true, but what does my tone of posting with Gunny have to do with how I read him? Do I have to act like I'm his enemy when I think I'm scum?

If you want to know why I thought Gunny was scum, post 58 was not a good post by Gunny for a couple things:
1. I don't know why Sala was stuck to that kind of style, but it doesn't feel like a fake restriction.
2. Trying to assert that he was making himself conftown just did not sit right with me. I know that there are players who do stuff like that, and i know Gunny can be one of them, but the way he said it felt too tongue-in-cheek to be from town.

Also, when I commented about Gunny "giving up" I was referring to the string of posts starting around 92 where he was flipping people off. I thought that was scum-Gunny effectively giving up on the game.

ALso, if you want to talk about "being friendly while wanting X lynched," what about your 233? In the same post you want me vigged AND talk conversationally about KJ's confusion over whether or not NS is actually in this game. You certainly weren't acting like I'm an enemy when you made that P-EDIT.

Post 130 is more of the same from Voided. Each "response" to the quotes does not add anything to the discussion and useless. He can guarantee that Richard is not Parama. So what? How is that important or relevant to the game at all other than saying "I know this"?

So? People were wondering about that. I gave a definitive answer. What's the problem?

and in fact defends DrMyshotgun not only once but twic by saying "he doesn't think there are more than 3 scum" and "you vote gunny then ask why he is scum".

To the first: And since when can you not defend actions of people, even if you think they're scummy? That was a bad angle to attack Gunny from, and I was making my stance on that known. Why is this bad?

To the second: I wasn't defending Gunny there. I was attacking AP for voting and defending Gunny in the same post (and before you try to grill me for "assuming things" again, there is little context around that post to show that AP meant to ask anyone else about someone other than Gunny being scum. If there was, no explanation from AP was given.)

Again, he is willing to hammer that? HIs attitude and his actions are completely divergent. Only now does he imply that he thinks Shotgun is scum by saying AP could go after Shotgun (and subsequently no longer wishes to policy lynch PM which I highly believe was a stall vote until something better came along, like DrMyShotgun).

Where do you see ANY indication of me not wanting to PL PM? No such thoughts ever ocurred until I was shown that his play this game was substantially better than any game I've seen of him or played with him.

His question to piggy, who he was interested in knowing? Please don't talk because he doesn't want to read her post restriction. Where is his train of thought? Why was he interested in hearing from her, but now doesn't add anything to say about her. ANother filler comment designed to look like he is contributing.

...There was none? I just didn't want to have to deal with reading the post restriction?

SURE WE ARE! (okay, maybe not. We'll just lynch you or Gunny, then.)

This deserves to be quoted because it is so bad. He is already setting up possible lynches to see where the town is most willing to go.

...uh-huh. I'd already stated I wanted Gunny lynched (lack of reasoning notwithstanding), I had recently stated a scumread on AP, thus I had no problems with either of them being lynched. What, exactly, is scummy about that?

There is enough content from PM and other players in the game that he can move his vote to voice his suspicions. He was waiting to hammer because he thought he could get away with it.

PL-ing PM was still on the table at the time. Also, I believe there were some other loose ends to tie up at the time that I was waiting for.

Post142 This post is bad for two reasons. 1) he makes yet another filler comment that implies he is not even completely serious about this game even though there was perceived hammer on Shotgun. Are you fucking kidding me?

Huh? We're in srs bzn now?

Look, I understand that you see me as scummy (or want to), but this is reaching. So I reacted (admittedly rather poorly) to MoI "hammering" instead of me. How does this indicate that I'm "not even completely serious about this game"?

LIke I said before, bastard moniker does not excuse bad play.

Neither does it excuse painting everything I do as being scummy when it's better explained as being misguided or something else.

2) He says that PM is policy lynch material, he says that PM is bad at reading comprehension, his vote is still on PM for a policy lynch and then he asks PMs opinion about AP? He doesn't ask anyone else who he thinks is a competent player.

PM stated he had a townread on AP. Regardless of my opinion of his play, that is something I think requires asking about considering I had AP as a scumread, no?

He asks the person he wants to fucking policy lynch about another person that he says "deserves to go".

He deserves to go, that much is true. But that doesn't mean I automatically am not allowed to ask him questions or to probe his comments. Why are you so indignant about this point?

This post is the creme de la creme of Voided's scum posts. He publicly acknowledges that he read our post, or posts about the fact that Dr was not lynched through two statements. The first statement is his use of pedit. The time between his last post and the hammer was 6 minutes. If he had begun to make ANY post between that time line and then try to post it, he would have seen a list of all the posts already sent, he would have seen our plea/call to *not* hammer.

Again, I must've read the part about Gunny not hammering and ignored your plea.

Trust me, I wouldn't have hammered if I saw that.

The second part is the fact that he says, Oh I guess I counted wrong. Really? That is interesting because the only posts with numbers are Parama's, PM's, and ours. Parama's and PM's were posted before ours. If he saw those posts in a pedit it would be physically impossible for him to *not* see our post.

Because that was NOT referring to the P-EDIT posts at all?

Think about it. Why would me saying "I guess I counted wrong" have ANYTHING to do with the posts in the P-EDIT when none of those posts had anything to actually COUNT? Isn't it better to think that I was referring to the fact that I may have actually

miscounted the amount of votes on Gunny

?

Serious reaching, here.

His reaction to me calling him out on that is classic scum. It isn't, I am sorry, but I really didn't read it. I am sorry but I was just skimming or I am an idiot. It was

you can't prove that I did or did not read it

. Its a fucking slap in the face and shows no remorse about his action. He is being snarky and disrespectful.

I apologized for not reading it properly already. Doing so again would've been redundant.

And that was a pure statement of fact. You simply can't. Nor can I adequately prove that I didn't read that since that requires believing and trust what I say, which you aren't likely to do.

(also, I wasn't being snarky at all, and I'm offended that you think I would be with something like that.)

this post is hilarious. The tone is completely forced and more "go the fuck away you annoying gnat" then "why is he having such a hard time understanding what I mean"

It was a bit of both, to be honest.

When I am town and people do not understand me I make damn well sure there is no confusion. I tell them what I am thinking. I tell them the reasons behind my actions. Voided doesn't do that. Instead he is annoyed that we have a problem with his play. Are you honestly serious?

When I had said essentially

the same thing

in Post 220? I was essentially repeating myself, which was annoying in and of itself.

You're trying to say that I didn't tell you what I was thinking? If you had read post 220 and didn't focus solely on the P-EDIT part you'd see that I explained this particular point already.

I'll get to this later but one of the best things I love about Voided's play thus far is that he was willing to lead a policy lynch on PM for being useless, a bad player, and having horrible reading comprehension, yet when I am pressuring him and grilling his ass about his horrible comments and reading comprehension he is all defensive. So it is okay if he does it, just not if PM does it. Gotcha. Hypocrisy is *so* cool.

Just as cool as it is when you lambaste me for comprehension fail (which I'll admit I did a lot of Sunday night) and then turn around to do the same here in this wall.

Furthermore, PM IS a bad player who IMO had only shown better colors just this game. In the past (as in prior to this game and excluding anything ongoing), has essentially made nothing but useless comments that give no contribution to the game or gamestate, and has given maybe one or two posts at most that are actually contentful. In contrast, as you've so thankfully provided, I have a much better ratio of filler-to-content, and I assert that I do try to give one or two gems of content in some of my longer "filler walls."

Okay, so because I misread the gamestate itself and thus drew an false conclusion about a post (that I just admitted to and apologized for upon realizing this), suddenly I'm vigbait?

Really?

Ya. When you call PM lynch bait for exactly the same reason.

PM doesn't misread the gamestate. He flat-out ignores it 90% of the time. Two completely different things.

Post 250 is one of the only times after Shotgun has been lynched (and still actively posting mind you) that Voided feels compelled to talk to him. Its a dismissive, off the shoulder comment made to discredit Shotty furhter before he dies. It is bullshit.

Even though what I said is true? Gunny hadn't flipped town yet. As far as I was concerned, it was equally possible that Gunny-scum was posting to throw us off-track as Gunny-town trying to get in some last-minute (or rather, last-hour) posts and reads prior to SC locking the thread.

Post 271 Are you fucking serious? You just hammered the kid, then said what he was doing was diversionary tactics and you talk to him like this? IS ANYONE FUCKING READING VOIDED'S POSTS BECAUSE FROM THE VOTES ON US, YOU PEOPLE ARE CLEARLY NOT.

...What? What are you talking about (or rather, what part of the post are you taling about)?

If you've read my posts, you'd find this to be a nonzero number and that YOU are trying to discredit me.

Um, no. I did. The only original opinions you've given are that you want PM to be lynched, you somehow found Shotgun scummy enough to hammer him without remorse, and you want AP to be lynched but aren't too concerned with telling people why. Is that it? I think it is.

Uh, no it's not (at least regarding AP, anyways). Though I suppose you think that since you took a post where I was attacking AP and took it as me defending Gunny, so...

In this post he says that saying something is "goodposting" is him somehow contributing when he didn't even link to the right post. He isn't reading the thread. He is just saying shit.

I thought he was talking about PM, not Sala. What posts I was referring to make perfect sense then.

THis is the post that I was talking about earlier where he is defensive snarky and instead of feeling remorseful or getting emotionally annoyed/angry over what he did and how I am perceiving it he states "well yo ucan't prove it so you can shove it". No. That isn't townplay. Town would want me to think he is town despite the bad player. Voided if he was town would explain and go into more explanation. Instead he tells me to deal with it? Like that is going to fucking change my mind in anyway.

You got meta on this, then? Because that totally sounds like a meta challenge.

288 THat isn't the impression that I got from that post at all. Nice of you to immediately jump to conclusions and shoot it down, though.

Okay, what DID he mean, then? enlighten me and everyone else who thought along the same lines as me when they saw that post.

Do you think you should be policy lynched a la PM? Serious question and since you already committed to reading this I am expecting a response.

...To be honest, not really. I played shit-terrible yesterday with all the reading fails. I know it, you know it, everyone else should know it. However, you know full well that I can be a good player (or at least decent). I'm not going to outright beg you to reconsider or anything like that, but if you do seriously considering doing that this game or any other game, you should ask yourself, "can he (Voidedmafia) honestly play better than what I saw that makes me consider policy lynching him?". If the answer is yes, then I don't think you should be asking that question.

If you want to talk about, PM, then let's turn that question back on me. "Can I (Voidedmafia) believe that he (PMysterious) can honestly play better than what I saw that makes me consider policy lynching him?" Prior to this game, and up to posts 168 and 192 in this game, that answer would've definitively been no. I've played two games with him, and in neither game did he show any indication of understanding the game, showing meaningful interaction with the players, or giving any sort of good contribution to the thread. But look at this game! There are a couple instances of the above D1, but what posts he has made have actually been somewhat contentful (they aren't necessarily GOOD, re. his attempt to meta MoI, but it's meaningful content). This has made me start to consider that maybe PM can play this game, and reconsider my PL views on him.

It's a question of whether or not I parsed all the information correctly, which is unfortunately proof that neither of us can actually provide. That P-EDIT line can go either way.

No it really can't, but nice try. I really thought I was wrong yesterday but after rereading your iso there is simply no other explanation other than yo ubeing scum, Voided.

There isn't?

A lack of clear reasons for a vote isn't a "me" issue. Insisting on having said clear reads (even if they're bullshit) is my peeve. The former is more useful as a potential scumtell (or whatever), the latter is not.

And what was your reason for voting Shotgun? You gave none and only in passing comments said you would lynch Shotgun? You dug yourself a mighty fine grave buddy.

Partially stated when I said "Gunny's given up? I can hammer dat". I gave a reason, even if I didn't articulate my scumread on Gunny.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, I do think Sala has a townread on me and thinks I'm town if PM's scum, though I don't think he's saying PM's scum (not sure about this). I heartily endorse all enquiries as to whether or not this is true.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not so sure about Piggy; she said PoE is the reason I'm scum but when she said I was scum there hadn't been any flips, so I don't know how she could have a PoE read.

Because PoE totally requires flips?

AP:

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Shahrizai

[Voidedmafia]

SC, could you just word that so we all know you're modding by yourself? I mean, maybe there won't be anyone else confusing NS as a co-mod, but just to be on the safe side...

Responses to Soul after work.

AP: I think reading through all this should solidify reads on both of us (and MoI, if somewhat indirectly).

[Voidedmafia]

*Looks at GreyIce wagon*
*Confused look*

He needs to talk. Pure and simple.

Oh, I should be voting.

Vote: Shahrizai

P-Edit: That's L-1.

Wut.

Voided why are you asking the Mod to clear things up on a Bastard game?

Because knowing who is a co-mod is always something to be clarified?

Soul, I need you to help me with MoI. To me he's playing the same as in town games like GvE, but he's seemingly playing similar to WWS. Considering he was scum in WWS, I do not trust myself to read MoI correctly, at all.

(also, my responses will be forthcoming.)

[Voidedmafia]

Shah, why the hell did you claim at L-1?

[Voidedmafia]

Voided I'm interested in your opinion on the rest of the Shah wagon?

(Oh, now you're interested in me? I see your game, now )

Anyways, my mind is seriously off this game right now. If I had to give my thoughts on the wagon:

AP is null, but this more because I need to set this read of mine's straight now.

I've felt Sala was town from the post-restriction (I don't quite understand how it came about, but it feels genuine). Searching for Shah in his ISO I don't quite see why he wanted her dead until that "claim something" post, so I'm slightly confused there. At the moment I'd still put him as town because of reasons outside of the wagon, but him getting on the wagon does rub me wrong because of that.
PM is PM, so...
MoI just flpped town, so no need to talk about him. So that leaves NS. While he is scumhunting a little, it's still not as much as everyone else (I'd argue that

PM

is possibly doing more scumhunting that NS is). Plus he's just been lurking quite a bit this game, and as I mentioned earlier he's known to lurk like this as scum. I think he also voted/hammered because of that "claim something" line, but I'm not entirely sure about how I feel about everyone who jumped on for that line. I'd think that at least one scum did (which would be everyone after PM...which is actually only MoI and NS, so just NS).

I still have to respond to your wall, which I'll try to do after college (meant to do it yesterday, but then people speedlynched Shah, so).

Explain. I personally find NS to be really likely scum. Still think sala is town and shouldn't be voted (faking a pr is an excuse to coast a whole lot with little opinions, but that's not what he's been doing). Parama flipped town and even stated SC loves PRs so I'm not surprised with a teller type pr.

That's also why I think Sala's town. He's given opinions and such (more than NS, anyways), and the PR isn't impeding that. If he IS faking one, then that's annoying as fuck, but I see no reason to lynch him because of it.

Does this post honestly come from scum? I think its too awkward for that.

Doesn't really outweigh everything else.

[Voidedmafia]

Yes, I mean assume he flipped VT. Basically Im saying imagine someone not as active died instead of MoI/VM/Me/Soul

If that happened I'd be looking towards the individual trying to insist that the NK meant something.

VOTE: Voided
My feelings on him near the end of D2 still hold true.

What were those again?

[Voidedmafia]

That's a sore misrepresentation. PbPA comes from VM's scum meta, and I don't like how forced his D1 hammer reaction felt.

Remind me again how my play matches DV Mafia?

And obviously by Parama/MoI lynch I meant kill.

Was gonna say...

Okay let's see here. The hammer felt forced because, as others have said, it shouldn't matter who gets the hammer. VM himself has agreed on this point, stating that he was simply reacting to what happened instead of thinking about it. In my opinion, town players tend to take the side of thoughtful input, while scum are more interested in appearances and making town-looking reactions.

But...town can have the same reactions, too? (also, MoI's own post about that subject would like to have a word with you.)

Secondly, that can be switched around, more or less. Scum can also take the side of thoughtful input. I don't see a clear reason why my actions were scummy here, just why they could be.

*Looks at NS*
*Looks at vote counts*
*Confused look*

*Looks at Salamance*
*Wraps hands around Salamance's neck*
*Shoves Salamance's face into a piece of paper*
*Salamance reads "TELL ME YOUR FUCKING POST RESTRICTION OR I WILL RIP OPEN YOUR STOMACH AND USE YOUR INTERNAL ORGANS TO MAKE JACKSON POLLOCK PAINTINGS"*

Quit getting your panties knotted up over this and start scumhunting. I don't think many of us care about whether or not Sala is or is not faking a post restriction. Soul's point about Sala not using it to coast and instead providing reads to the best of his ability proves that this point is irrelevant beyond making reading his posts easier.

tl;dr shut the fuck up about this already -_-.

Vote: NS

[Voidedmafia]

NS is probably my 2nd favorite lynch as of right now?

Not sure if KJ's derping or scummy right now, so.

I don't want GI lynched for at least a couple days despite the fact that he is tunneling Sally's PR and derping excessively. PM needs a replacement or a prod or something.

Agreed on these points, though.

[Voidedmafia]

Thoughts on having Piggy/Sally flavor claim?

...what?

[Voidedmafia]

newbie 1079, for starters.

[Voidedmafia]

I'd say all card combos should be claimed. They don't give away your actual role and only one or two isn't enough to count cards with. So I don't see any disadvantage with it (and yeah we never made a combo). I was waiting to see if anyone else lost cards before revealing it.

~Mehdi

Before or after they're used?

FWIW, PM basically site flaked. I would not say he is coasting by any stretch of the word. Also lurking will never ever be a scumtell for PM.

Good riddance if that's true.

[Voidedmafia]

After usage (sorry for not being clear). Making yourself a target isn't the best idea if you could be fairly useful. After you've used your cards you essentially become the same as every other player target wise since role wise scum still wouldn't know and no card trouble (technically slightly weaker, but considering how hard card combos are to build well about equal). If anyone has some report because of cards then it should be claimed.

~Mehdi

That makes sense.

Spoiler: Tardy follow-up to a quote war no one reads <_<

One notable difference I'd like you to be aware of is that with WWS I was there at the beginning (more or less) and was able to immerse myself into the game almost ASAP. Here I had 5 or so pages worth of RVS-like posts that I had to wade through. It's not hard and fast regarding me, but I do have some problems getting into the swing of things when I'm not there right at the start of the game.

I will conceded that point and I am glad you raised it. However, a day has also passed and it is only after night that you started to pick up your slack. Even though you are posting slightly better today, that occurred after a night and that does make a difference.[/quote]
And what is that difference?

Is it though? Who were your suspects other than hammered Shotgun yesterday? You never enumerated, simply that you had a lot of townreads and few scumreads. You raised policy lynch talk about PM, but that is not related to alignment. You said AP could go after Shotgun, but you never really pushed that.

What exactly did you do for the town yesterday that you think was helpful in finding scum?

Ap never responded to my question, I don't think. I'll accept some fault for not pressing the question, though.

I think you and I have completely different opinions of content.

Both of those looked like sarcastic comments. Especially the MoI comment.

Neither of them were meant to be (well, the PR question had a hint of sarcasm, maybe, but the question was genuine).

By stating those two questions in particular are you admitting the other quote strips in that post were not content (in your opinion)? Or are you just singling those ones out because they relate to us and we are having a discussion?

I was debunking the claim that the wall wasn't contributing anything at all. My response to AP's post 22 was also somewhat reasonable content, considering I didn't really understand why she would talk about hand likelihood.

This is some Umbrage v LlamaFluff level shit right here. Quite frankly it needs to go and it is quite distracting.

You can tell me postgame, but what does this mean?

PM will largely remain useless. It is whether or not he has intent to help town or hurt it. And if he has a PR that physically affects other PRs such as roleblocker, or vig, well, it at least needs to be restrained in my experience.

True enough.

Also, my mistake about Sala. I did misread that.I felt when reading your posts and up to that point you had not adequately explained why you thought AP needed to go but somehow went on about Sala.

I don't remember saying anything about wanting Sala to go, only commenting on who he was placing his fake dayvig on.

And what do you mean you can't make what his PR is?

I wasn't sure what the entirety of his Post restriction was (under the assumption that there might've been more to it), and I wasn't as able to understand it as I am now (though I'm still not great at it now).

Yup. That's what happens when you are rushed to get something done.

Why the rush? Granted, there's no telling when the wagon on Shah would've solidified to a lynch, but unless there's some IRL reason you didn't need to rush this.

And what about players who assert themselves as scum? Or the fact that many other players in this very game did the very same thing that Gunny did? Grey and MoI for example.

Grey has done no such thing as far as I can see in his ISO?

The point I am trying to make is that you shouldn't have suspicion of people who vote your main suspect and that you called for a lynch, let alone give them reasons why you suspect them (the voters, not your main suspect).

I am not saying you can't defend a player. I just don't understand why you are defending a player you want to die anyway.

So I shouldn't suspect someone who jumps onto a wagon I want with bad reasoning? Oversoul...

Where do you see ANY indication of me not wanting to PL PM? No such thoughts ever ocurred until I was shown that his play this game was substantially better than any game I've seen of him or played with him.

Naming suspects that you think are scum is not wanting to lynch PM. Unless I misinterpreted that (which it seems to be).

I do not recall explicitly or implicitly saying an PM Policy lynch was off the table, just that I had other suspects.

In what way was PLing PM still on the table? Everyone was aggressive towards Gunny and you were making damn well sure to not really be convincing about anything, whether it was a Gunny lynch or a PM Policy Lynch.

It was still clear in my posts that I still wanted him gone, yes? However, most everyone else was gravitating away from that. Regardless of my stance on him, getting a PL (or a regular lynch) was simply not feasible, and in absence of genuine scumminess my pleas would've fallen on deaf ears. It would've been pointless to go down that path again.

Because someone just died? Have you ever heard of the phrase, its all fun and games until someone gets hurt? And then once that happens everyone hunkers down? That completely flew over your head. You didn't care (at least immediately) about MoI's hammer. Just upset that he took your spot...

Ok.

...Aaaaand?

Not everyone "hunkers down" at that point, nor do the people always act the same whenever that phrase is applicable. Sure, I wasn't like, "Oh, so Gunny died. Better start thinking about the implications of thise" or whatever immediately, but the most I feel like I'm getting from this is that you just didn't like how I reacted.

I will give you that, but what were you expecting from him? A stroke of genius?

COnsidering a stroke of genius unfortunately would require him to actually be coherent in his assessment, yes.

Because policy = doesn't give a shit about what their alignment is so why bother interacting with them
I guess this is at the point where you begin to consider PM PL might not be a good idea because he probably is town? Either way, PL in my mind is no interaction, just make sure this person dies. You're engaging him and asking things, doing the opposite of PL, but still wanting to PL.

Let me try to explain myself better. You are a teenage girl a that hates Teenage girl b. You don't want anything to do with her. One day you ask teenage girl b about teenage girl c and her looks. Why should you care what teenage girl b thinks since it will only be met with either derision, fakeness, or the thing you dislike the most about teenage girl b?

Let's say that girl B had said something about girl C some day prior to this. I have a different opinion about girl C and don't get what girl B sees. Regardless of what is expected of girl B, why wouldn't I try to figure out what she sees?

....

This throws everything into the air.

Good or Bad?

But they did? PM and Parama both said letter for letter "L-1". We said, "yup Gunny is at 6 votes"

You said "pedit: Oh I guess I miscounted. Hammer."

Isn't that agreeing with what I just said?

Are you trying to say oh I [you] saw a peidt and then thought to myself [yourself] I [you] may have miscounted and then typed that out anyway with a hammer?

Well, it's not like the P-EDIT caused me to think about if I miscounted, no.

We must approach this game from massively different angles because I am offended when others don't view me as town when I am town. I try to make it easy for everyone to see where I am coming from and that I do have the town's best interests at mind. That is partially my expectation of every other player in the game and when you only the single comment that I felt was insignificant in the whole post (I think you mentioned it once?) I wanted more apologizing from you.

Seems more like a difference in degrees. I don't like it either when people call me scum when I'm town, but I don't act offended that they do (unless they're giving REALLY shitty reasons for it, THEN I'm pissed off).

I really wish others would comment on that (more than just MoI who always thinks I am scum)

Amazingly enough, I think AP's the only other person outside of you/Moi/myself who has actually directly commented on these walls or what I've done, or maybe KJ. Considering that's 2/9 or so alive, that's depressing.

When your play had been filled with reading errors and lapses of revelance, yes I wanted clarification. If you hadn't answered me I would have been pushing you so saying that because you did what I would expect when I had already pushed you to explain is not relevant. The hammer is too grievous to ignore.

Fine, the hammer was too grevious to ignore. But the subject here is not the hammer, and since that is the case I'd expect you to not focus on the hammer when making this point.

Be honest here and do not get offended, but what was the tone you were going for with the "as you've so thankfully provided"? If it is sarcastic, I equate to snarkiness fwiw.

Sarcasm mixed with "oh yeah, and this example you gave earlier? Thanks for giving me something to use against you!"

How long ago were those finished games?

The most recent was the Open that was modded by CES, which has been done for at least a month now, I think.

You still hadn't explained your reasoning for hammering Gunny at this point. You keep forgetting that and in my opinion you're holding me accountable for not thinking of your motive which is something that you never expressly shared with the town.

As of the hammer or as of starting this quote wall with you? I'll concede the former to the point of not properly articulating, but not the latter.

While I agree that scum are likely to do that I do not think Gunny as scum would attempt to do that as normally only more experienced, older players are confident enough they won't lead back to their teammates.

I think GUnny's the type of player who'd do that just to screw with people. (no offense, mate)

...What? What are you talking about (or rather, what part of the post are you taling about)?

You are talking to Gunny with that nice tone again after just saying he was doing diversionary tactics.

That wasn't a nice tone. That was admonishing (even if I mixed up Sala with PM).

So 1) you hammered him because you think he scum, and 2) you literally just called him out on trying to confuse the town but you are willing to discuss with him over his comprehension of something.

It does not make sense.

'Course it does. Of course, again, I misread that and thought he was talking about PM instead of Sala, but the belligerent tone when he was talking about

PM[/i] Sala and considering my changing opinion of PM at the time, of course I was going to try and tell him that he didn't need to be talking about that.

hell, even with Sala that tone wasn't necessary.

How is goodposting contributing anything? It is just a buzzword that could mean a lot of things since goodposting is a relative term.

Goodposting for PM is posting relevant and at least semi-contentful things.

If you want me to dig up some games that I've never read sure? As I explained earlier, this is partially because of my point of view of what a townie should do and what you didn't do.

But there are townies who would do the same thing I did, are there not?

About Grey's post, I thought he was eluding to a power of some sort. Potentially a governor, or a daykill or something. I am probably alone in that thinking though.

Well, governor seemed more likely, but I do think you're alone here. I won't deny the possibility of either but I just don't feel that it's likely.

I will need to read your iso one more time and make sure that you started to engage in PM might not be completely shit type talk before we started saying PM was probably town.

How did this go, btw?

There is, but not one in my mind that allows you to live.

What's that?

And you reasoning is because he gave up? So that deserves a hammer?

It was the way he was acting that gave me the view that he was scum giving up. The overusage of that finger-flipping picture didn't feel like town telling people to shove it.

[Voidedmafia]

Ap never responded to my question, I don't think. I'll accept some fault for not pressing the question, though.

What ?

Anyways, my new fear is that VM and Soul are scum together. I mean seriously, those wall posts..

But for that to be the case you two would earn a medal in Bullshitery.

No, we most definitely aren't scum if at least one of us are. Besides, unless distancing was our entire purpose, this would be backfiring completely since no one is suspecting either of us for the walls (and IIRC no one alive really suspects Soul, either).

Also, an early post had you vote Gunny and then ask "why is he scum?" With no other context that I recall, I asked why you voted him and then asked if he's (Gunny's) scum in the same post.

Amazingly enough, I think AP's the only other person outside of you/Moi/myself who has actually directly commented on these walls

I do not see a lot of relevance in these horrifyingly point by point rebuttals. Its way too easy to get lost in context It would help if the quote walls at least had links to the original post.

But honestly I can't really say I have much useful to say about the wall except that it kind of looks town/town.

you missed the "and what I've done" part, AP.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, mine do in the first quote.

[Voidedmafia]

*points to eye*
*opens can*
*ties knot*
*covers mouth with hand*
*orders Direct tv*

I can not [something] directly? I can't lie directly?

[Voidedmafia]

*points to eye*
*opens can*
*ties knot*
*covers mouth with hand*
*orders Direct tv*

You
can
not
talk
directly
^.^
I'm
good
at
charades

Close enough <_<

With it being a bastard game, I'm wondering if we can even trust that the cards we use will do what it says on the tin.

Who knows, we might play cards hoping for a doctor ability and find ourselves deadified.

What you can get from the cards is clearly explained on the first page. Bastard or not, i don't think cashing in any set would initiate a chance to get killed by doing so.

Why would someone's first card be one of the cards that you lost?

That's what's targetted?

[Voidedmafia]

Doesn't have to be for some connections to appear. I've already seen two (one is pretty easy to tell just looking at who's died so far). I'm trying to see if I can't connect a few things with card loss (since I'm assuming right now that roles do have some connection to the card)

Because I'm stupid and don't know what I'm looking for, what am I supposed to see?

[Voidedmafia]

Piggy gal will now claim if the moderator will kill her if she violates her post restriction.

Absolutely no argument.

So says the person who really hasn't done much except complain about post restrictions. That's fine, but not when it's pretty much the only thing your ISO consists of

Where does piggy say she can't claim her restriction? That applies to sala, but piggy nope.

~Mehdi

So much this.

We know he and pigg have post restrictions. What, exactly, is the benefit of finding every last detail about them?

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, do you agree that there is no town motive to lie about a post restriction?

GreyIce, do you agree that Sala has not been using his post restriction, regardless of whether or not it's fake, to sit on his hands and coast through the game?

If he's lying about his PR then I'm going facepalm really hard in postgame, but as far as I can tell arguing about how real his PR is is irrelevant to the fact that he's still playing this game and being active, which you haven't bothered to counter.

[Voidedmafia]

Answer the question, Voided.

If he lies, he fries

Agree/disagree?

...no.

[Voidedmafia]

So what's the town motive for lying, then?

That's irrelevant.

What's the scum motive for faking a PR and not sitting on his ass using that as a scapegoat for providing no reads or obfuscating what reads he may have? I've still not seen any points against this, Grey.

Sala: If you're town and faking that PR, I'm going to seriously wonder what's wrong with you. I don't believe such as of right now, but that's going to be my state of mind then.

AP: Stop copying him.

[Voidedmafia]

Um, Cliff notes, please? Best you can?

[Voidedmafia]

Erm, could you strip that quote and point out what specifically you're responding to?

[Voidedmafia]

He's done something other than sit on his ass?

Lessee. Day 2, he does nothing but vote Soul.

Day 3 he votes NS because *shrugs*

Interesting.

What, exactly, would you say he's done that's so amazing, Voided?

Maybe if you stopped focusing entirely on his PR and actually looked at his posts, you'd see he does have clear townreads and scumreads. It's a pain in the ass to find out

why

, and amazing is an unnecessary exaggeration, but he's certainly done more than YOU have, that's for sure.

Okay, I don't know AT ALL what the fuck you're up to, but it does NOT seem like a town ability AT ALL to be able to guess my start card accurately.

unvote

Vote: Soul222777

You need to die ASAP.

*Thumbs up*
*Shakes head up and down*

Ah, I see. Sorry for insinuating that, then.

Card claiming time voided.

...Now you've made me nervous...

Also, Medhi suspects my card is a Jack of Spades, which is correct. I began the game with a Jack of Spades. I can reveal what else I've gotten if required.

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: PM

nonono whoa whoa whoa.

Look, we already know that NS needs to die. WHy are you trying to start another wagon when there's a viable one staring right at us?

[Voidedmafia]

Look, we already know that NS needs to die. WHy are you trying to start another wagon when there's a viable one staring right at us?

Because if you buy into the patterns, it makes most logical sense to lynch a black king.

NS is still scummy regardless of cardclaiming?

P-edit: Kj why? The only reason black kings is a better lynch is if you are one of the scum (or AP and voided which is extremely doubtful). If you're town the only true pattern assuming you trust me, ap, and voided is the kings.

Pretty much, I guess.

(also, it's interesting watching live updates of that spreadsheet.)

*Looks up Gamblers follicy*
*Notices PM was scum in the last 3 games I played with*
*Writes NS on a calendar tomorrow*

Gambler's Fallacy is a bad fallacy to rely on and you should feel bad for using it.

You're assuming that there's a pattern to the distribution of cards. Do you

really

think SC would let the setup be broken THAT easily?

Please.

So you're still scum if we take out the cardclaiming stuff?

cool beans.

P-EDIT: Do you think it's all one type/color, AP? Different colors?

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: NS

Thank you.

[Voidedmafia]

I started with the King of Spades, and I honestly don't think it matters. StrangerCoug would probably have used random.org to assign the cards the scumteam got. There's not going to be a pattern.

It's not definite, though. Even if random.org is more likely than a pattern, I'm not ruling out the latter.

Honestly, this reminds me of Reck's stupid chart in Fate mafia, and it's the same Information Instead of Analysis. Combined with Soul's stance that "the PR's make perfect sense" (even though EVERY SINGLE TIME Coug gave out more than one he gave a PR to SCUM so even if he believed Salamance's PR there'd be no reason to call him town) and Salamance's sudden change in reads (from Soul must die day 2 to "soul? What's a Soul?" day 3), yeah, I'm pretty confident in calling those two scum together.

And?

P-EDIT: Yeahthat.

[Voidedmafia]

Why not Grey Piggy? They've been mostly avoiding each other excpet a couple notable locations:
1. Piggy votes on a "lets get GI to talk" wagon
2. GI talks about how the PRs are scummy but really only pushes Sally.

Point, but I feel NS is still the lynch today.

[Voidedmafia]

Grey do you also think it's pure luck (along with all the coincidences which you barely address) I got voided's card right based on patterns alone when randomly 25 percent chance is all I'd have? Pretty confident they exist it's just which one is it (my main theory is all kings while AP prefers king, jack, queen).

~Mehdi

Also this.

I'm fine with a GI or NS lynch. Can we please just settle on one?

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE COUNT

PiggyGal15 (1): AngryPidgeon
Salamence20 (1): GreyICE
Soul2277 (1): Nobody Special
Voidedmafia (1): killerjester
Not voting (2): PiggyGal15, PMysterious

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

players to lynch.

So it's clear, I had previously given Soul2277 permission to post the spreadsheet in #755.

People who are in these spots need to get the hell off their vanity wagons (except GreyICE and NS, they're good).

NS or GreyICE are the lynch today both because of patterns and revelations from cardclaiming that have been shown by Mehdisoul as well as actions they've done outside of that (lurking and reaching in an attack toward Soul for NS; focusing entirely on Sala's and Piggy's post restrictions to the exclusion of almost all else for GI). Beyond the fact that IMO both of them are likely to turn up scum, their deaths will also help confirm or deny Soul's theories about the initial cards dealt. (Plus NS is more likely to die since he's at L-2.)

I won't deny that perhaps lynching myself, KJ, or Piggy would also be advantageous for proving or disproving Soul's ideas (and I'll admit I'm not entirely averse to a KJ lynch), but I doubt that there'll be enough traction for any of us at this point.

P-EDIT: Why? Let him be replaced.

[Voidedmafia]

Im saying we should do that. If we end the day, he gets another email refreshes his lurking spree. IDK how SC mods. You like NS's Soul vote? But you are putting lots of faith in the spec?

...No.

I said there's plenty of reason to vote NS outside of the spec. But the spec also reinforces why we should vote him. Not the other way around. If spec was the only reason to vote NS (like I think it'd be for Piggygal) I'd have no part in such a wagon.

[Voidedmafia]

Why the hell did you say you like NS's vote.

Cuz he's scum. Unless he wants to bus Grey, I don't give a fuck where his vote is.

As for the whole NS vote is good that's not what he said. He said they're good not that the vote is good (difference being he's repeatedly called both scum and who cares where your strong scum reads vote).

~Mehdi

Yup, pretty much.

AP - See what's happening here? Scum is trying to set up a IaI/MoI dichotomy. "Oh, it has to be one of these two! And when they both flip town, welp."

Salamance/Soul. Both are scum.

I have no idea what exactly you're seeing in this post?

Because I totally see the point about you/piggy/sally.

There was definitely a little "PRs must die in righteous fire!" followed by "Only Sally must die in righteous fire!"

Much agreed.

Your logic was that town have no reason to lie about having a PR (aka that they're faking it), nor that they can't say what it is (based on meta evidence), thus that Piggy and sala are scum. However, both had stated clearly that they could out it if they so chose (debunking point two), and both did come around to more or less stating what their PRs are. Yet throughout this you've really only grilled Sala about this and left Piggy alone. Misreading or no, by your logic we should see both Sala and Piggy show up in your demands that they're scum, yet that only comes up when you say they're a team, and not anywhere else.

[Voidedmafia]

But then again I have to believe that scum GI knows his Salamence case is quite transparently scum motivated and is possibly just him distancing, lewl. But Im done with



theories until my reread.

It's possible, but it's an absurdly rediculous amount of bussing if that's true.

[Voidedmafia]

NS, what are your reads?

My two biggest are Salamance, for being scum and faking the PR, and OverMehdi, for knowing my start card. Witchcraft, you see.

...which is totally a lot better than thinking than, say, she figured it out?

[Voidedmafia]

...Mehdisoul.

Who else?

[Voidedmafia]

Btw, Soul, did you want to know what other cards I got, or?

P-EDIT:...Sala is a he, obviously.

[Voidedmafia]

Seriously, NS, I'm talking about card spec. Between Salamence and Mehdisoul, who has NOT been at the forefront of discussing, theorizing, and organizing information regarding that topic?

You get one guess.

P-EDIT: She narrowed it down via PoE of cards from flipped players and from cards claimed by the people before you. How is that "too much knowledge"?

[Voidedmafia]

Guess who the least town person is in this dialogue

Spoiler:

voided

Not sure if srs.

That a confession, Piggy? Or do you find something funny?

[Voidedmafia]

Prod received. MoI seems like an odd choice of an NK to me.

THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY
LKDS;GKJAHRDPITJAHDN[OITV[ADKJF OAKJH[OFVI0935U069UE[IRGHOQVK3 HT5OIYH30V8U60[Q93U[0VQ93U5V0[6Q3NU60[QV9U34JY5

I so totally feel your pain.

Grey, shut the fuck up.

[Voidedmafia]

Can everyone read #910 and realize that it comes from a pure scum motivation, and then do away with this fucking moron.

It doesn't. I do that most of the time. RachMarie tries to do that whenever she's going to be the hammer vote. Quit reaching on this read and start realizing that Mehdisoul isn't scum.

I am serious, the scum team is Salamance and Soul. No one else.

*coughcoughyourewrongcoughcough*

Despite how PM sucks like a black hole.

Okay, could be PM. None of my scum reads seem to give a fuck about how fucking awful he is.

Lolololololol.

You really think I've had a big change of heart on him? REALLY?!

P-EDIT: Better idea: Vote yourself if you're scum. (if partially to make GI shut up)

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: soul2277

Choo choo

Pmyst.....

...THe fuck?

[Voidedmafia]

*Grabs voided*
*Shows her the shiny PM wagon*

HIM

.

Also, NOW we're going with the PL? I'd still be done for it, but I'd rather seen a scum hang before then.

[Voidedmafia]

Assertiom that pm isnt scum: false.

Okay, and if PM isn't scum? PL-ing him is fine, but if he's town, that does more or less put us in Mylo/Lylo. I'm not sacking a PL on PM until I'm more sure he might be scum (and if you really wanted it it should've been the D1 lynch).

P-EDIT: Not the wallpost?

[Voidedmafia]

...how, AP? You've turned to attacking mehdisoul, and I really can't fathom why.

Spoiler: Because no case can go unanswered

Case on Voided

Voided's Vote of Shah

What was your reason for voting Shah? You explicitly went against your own statement that you dislike posts that do not have a reason attached to them.

I was sheeping AP on that vote, I believe. Perhaps I should've been more clear on that.

Voided's next post is interesting because he engages with both NS and MoI. Voided is conciliatory towards us asking for our help in determining MoI's alignment because he is unable to tell the difference between MoI's town play in a game that Voided was not in and MoI's scumplay in a game that *I* was not in.

Apologies about that, I meant to refer to only Oversoul considering the town game in question.

I believe his "wut" response is apt here. That does not really make sense and we are curious why you made reference to those two specific games given the lack of relation for the two of us (Voided and Oversoul).

It is?

I referenced WWS because that was his most recent scumgame that I was aware of, and GvE because that was the first towngame I knew of that I could remember. THere's probably a more recent towngame of MoI's, but I couldn't recall it at the time.

Why were you not upset with NS's vote? There is no reason there.

I...cannot recall right now, to be honest. Perhaps it was the tone of the post: "Oh, wait, I'm totally supposed to be voting. Here, lemme join the biggest wagon! hee hee!" but I can't garaunteed that was why.

Response to Shah's claim Why do you care? Given how loose people are with their vote this game, that was a legitimate fear.

This post looks like fake anger.

I dislike claiming at L-1 without an intent to hammer (though, yes, people hammering without a claim are much more annoying). It's more or less something I prefer.

[Voidedmafia]

Ah, but PM is scum. Case: his last post

That's PL material, not scum material.

[Voidedmafia]

The flailling in this thread...

[Voidedmafia]

How many times is that going to be asked in this game? (or the reverse of "are you town?")

[Voidedmafia]

I'll take that as a no.

Take this: Stop. Asking.

[Voidedmafia]

On one scumflip and most likely LyLo? I don't think so.

Granted, scum has to be in the red hearts or the black clubs (I know I'm town, and since Ap and GI who were my Spademates flipped town than means that the left half has to contain scum) Sooo...that leaves scum in PM, KJ, Soul, and our two PRs. It's still POSSIBLE that PM is scum, sure, but no way in hell am I betting that on a PL.

[Voidedmafia]

Even if there's two, I still wouldn't push a PL on PM at this point.

[Voidedmafia]

Who was the random user reading the Card Spread at 12:04 AM (EST) on Monday?

Might've been me. I still have that up on a tab. (Btw you need to update that)

[Voidedmafia]

Even for a bastard, I'd still say that they knew who they were. What they were doing may well have just been distancing of a sort, I suppose.

[Voidedmafia]

I am a VT.

As I said, I began with a Jack of Spades, and then I got an Ace of diamonds when SC forgot to give us 2 cards.
D2 I got a 7 of clubs
D3 I got an Ace of spades that I traded with the Ace of diamonds for a 1-shot follower.
Today I got a 4 of diamonds.

I used the follower tonight on GI because I thought he was scum and might've done the kill. Of course, since he was a town lover I was wrong, but I found out that he had protected someone.

PM, The damn wiki is your friend.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, popcorn to Sala.

[Voidedmafia]

I guess I don't see any problems here. Being sure of Sala and PM being cleared would be good for the general well-being of the game, not just for clearing scum, I think.

[Voidedmafia]

Sala had the more interesting (and more tolerable) restriction, interestingly enough.

NS, seriously, when are you going to work off that lurking problem?

[Voidedmafia]

Sala had the more interesting (and more tolerable) restriction, interestingly enough.

There was no post restriction.

That's not the point.

[Voidedmafia]

No, that's not MY point. Jeez. I'm not even talking about that, anyways (though I will accept my part in it).

[Voidedmafia]

...No. That's not it.

I'M saying that, regardless of whether or not his PR was real or not, it was more interesting and tolerable than Piggy's (again, regardless of whether or not hers was real). Though that was a question on my mind, so thanks for answering that.