Mini 1,384: Dirty Dealing (Game over!)

[GreyICE]

Vote: DrMyShotgun

100% serious

Guaranteed scum flip.

[GreyICE]

StrangerCoug ripped a page out of Tarhalindur's modding book?

[GreyICE]

Vote: DrMyShotgun

100% serious

Guaranteed scum flip.

I actually heard this too much from you.

Yeah, but today you get to die and rage that I got a lucky guess in the deadthread.

[GreyICE]

So it's a guess?
VOTE: GreyICE

So if I was guessing that you were scum, I wouldn't know that you were scum. And I'd be town~

I don't mind if someone wants to hammer caught scum before page 6 is done.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: drmyshotgun

Why is he scum?

You vote Gunny, and then ask why he's scum in the same post.

Bah, PM can wait. Gunny first, then you. Easy connections, yo.

Hai guyz

When I'm dead and Gunny is flipped scum y'all better remember this.

[GreyICE]

Hai guyz

When I'm dead and Gunny is flipped scum y'all better remember this.

...For good or for bad?

P-EDIT: Take a drink, folks, now that's PM's failed to read!

Nightkill me and find out~

[GreyICE]

By the by, Magna might be scum. This is about 1000% more likely if Shotgun flips scum.

I know I can read him well but even I have trouble with a naked hammer post. But as scum he'd almost certainly do that, day 1, on his buddy. Both of us bus a lot.

[GreyICE]

Disagree. MoI hates bussing. The hammer is awful though.

~Mehdi

MoI busses when necessary, I should say. He recognizes its not optimal, but prefers to bus when he thinks the lynch is inevitable and it buys him town cred. Rarely the initiator, usually on the wagon.

[GreyICE]

Well that was fast. I think Drmy is a good lynch, but I don't like that Magna just hammered like that before I even got to post.

GreyIce's comment about Magna bussing makes me think that he might be the one bussing and trying to set up Magna for tomorrow. But I don't like Magna hammering so maybe I'm just paranoid.

Soul2277 doesn't ever vote. He just talks about things and asks questions.

ALSO

HI SCUM

SORRY ABOUT YOUR BUDDY

[GreyICE]

LF DOCTOR

PST TONIGHT

THX

[GreyICE]

^What. but no seriously hes scum. His post was SO scummy.

1. Why you no let me post, Im so upset about that!
2. I want town cred for his scum flip!
3. But seriously guys, GreyICe was BUSSING on this one and totally not MoI.

Notice that she acknowledges that bussing happened. She knows Drmy's alignmnent. shes scum.

No, Shahrizai is dying Tomorrow. She is definitely scum.

I support this statement.

So glad you're town.

Well... kinda.

[GreyICE]

Does not match.

Angry doesn't refer to this.
Angry and Grey seems to be sort of connected. See also: Grey's post #176

Awww, mad scum.

Oversoul when he flips scum can I tease you about it?

[GreyICE]

Why are people wanting to make me think that I'm dead. I don't understand.

P-edit: So what.

Why would I be reading everyone's ISO and giving my best thoughts right now after I'm dead if I was scum.

So you forgot that you don't think you were lynched?

Just checking.

[GreyICE]

Drmy: Grey, Sala, AP, Parama, MoI

I'm curious where this hammer is. He's at L-2. The bigger question is whether MoI thought that was a hammer or not.

~Mehdi

Are you going to be surprised when Voided's "hammer" was just the L-1 vote?

Because balls to you

[GreyICE]

Who wants to be a hero and hammer scum?

[GreyICE]

Hey Grey are you Town this game? If so let me know and we can roll scum just like the last time I asked.

Also - did you bring me bacon like last time also?

To be honest I didn't realize the thread was open until I got a PM about a second card~

Anyway, I'm def town, but no bacon. LLD is gonna be mad enough about sharing me with this game, I'm not gonna compound it by bringing people bacon. Sowwy~

[GreyICE]

Mod, the player list has 12 players alive.

I'd assume this is an error except this game is explicitly bastard.

Please confirm or deny if 12 players are currently alive.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Salamance20

[GreyICE]

*Looks at GreyIce*
*Confused look*

I'm voting for scum.

I know you Salamance. You've got some cute plan running here where you want to show off. You always do this. Have a cute plan. As town, you claim scum. As scum, you figure "this super fake post restriction won't draw any attention to me."

You picked the same post restriction as Hascow used in Storm of Swords, and it has the same flaw.

*Asks the group why this = scum*

How is that an action, Salamance?

Dayvig/Kill/Destroy/Nuke: Shahrizai

How is that following your post restriction Salamance?

*Looks at GreyIce Wagon*
*Refuses to take part*

"Refuses to take part"

Really?

An action is "refuses to take part?"

Really Salamance?

This is super fake, and you're super scum.

[GreyICE]

*Wonders if Piggy is faking a post restriction*

Yeah, uh huh.

The guy with the post restriction wonders if someone is faking a post restriction.

"Wonders if Piggy is faking a post restriction"

What sort of action is that again, Salamance?

Is your post restriction that you have to put little stars around each sentence you type? If so, why aren't you typing normally, with stars?

[GreyICE]

*Laughs hysterically*
*Sarcastically claims scum*
*Claims conftown*

Ah, so what is your post restriction exactly?

You don't seem able to explain

[GreyICE]

Fair warning Grey, you are more of an empath than most people on the site and see shit from not-you perspectives quite well. Im ready for any bullshit WIFOM you may say.

I'm town you twitsical. So are you.

[GreyICE]

Self meta isn't enough to excuse you from being on the wagons of two townies near the later stages while showing 0 suspicion of them before which just lets you sheep easily. You've shown 0 suspicion of sala all game, but yet jump on him quickly after grey? No, you are just wagoning people hoping meta or lurking will be enough to not get you attacked enough to be lynched.

~Mehdi

Medhi/Soul

Neither of you are an idiot.

What, exactly, is Salamance's post restriction?

Is it "all sentences must have little stars around them?"

Or is it something else?

[GreyICE]

*Looks at NS*
*Looks at vote counts*
*Confused look*

*Looks at Salamance*
*Wraps hands around Salamance's neck*
*Shoves Salamance's face into a piece of paper*
*Salamance reads "TELL ME YOUR FUCKING POST RESTRICTION OR I WILL RIP OPEN YOUR STOMACH AND USE YOUR INTERNAL ORGANS TO MAKE JACKSON POLLOCK PAINTINGS"*

[GreyICE]

He already claimed it was Ferp from P+F mafia essentially.

I swear that's a sentence, written in English, but it means nothing to me.

I want him to tell me his post restriction, now. Based on the town "power" and the Jester flip there's probably two scum, and that seriously makes lolgambits more likely - if they work you can coast to endgame, and endgame won't be for a while.

I could buy KJ just because I figure that any Jester lynch is more likely to have scum off the wagon than on it - the town naturally think the Jester is scummy, while the scum "know" that the Jester is a scummy-looking townie.

[GreyICE]

Nobody Special lurking is usually a scum tell, yes.

I just... I have huge amounts of trouble believing in a 3 man scumteam given the setup we know, it's literally too ridiculous for words. Exceptions might occur if something I don't believe is actually true, but that's that.

Salamance's refusal to explain his post restriction has no town motive. He just doesn't want to get caught in a lie. Does anyone disagree with this?

[GreyICE]

He was just hoping that part of the bastard mod part of the game was that we can just ask to have people force replaced

Gratz on making an actually townie post Grey.

Given your last game's scum reads, I should actually be worried about this~

But if you think about it a little, you'll realize I'm town, because SC is amusing.

[GreyICE]

Piggy gal will now claim if the moderator will kill her if she violates her post restriction.

Absolutely no argument.

[GreyICE]

Yes you are, scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Okay, they're both scum. Guaranteed.

Interesting facts are that StrangerCoug has a mod history on this site. Of modding bastard mod games, no less. Lets go through them and look at how post restriction roles work:

StrangerCoug's Favorite roles

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3118165
1 post restriction. Zero mod restrictions on claiming

Stranger Coug's Worst Nightmare 3:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2643793
THREE post restrictions. ZERO restrictions on claiming it:

Help My Computer got infected

: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2455726

One restriction. No restrictions on claiming it.

SWN III:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=925

6 restrictions. No restrictions on claiming.

Quirkytown:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2494312

Infinity post restrictions (literally, a mechanic meant you could assign them to others). No mod prohibition on claiming.

SWN II:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 19#2188019

5 post restrictions. No prohibition on claiming.

IN SHORT IN THE

THREE YEARS

STRANGERCOUG HAS MADE GAMES, WITH

DOZENS

OF POST RESTRICTIONS, HE HAS NEVER MODKILLED FOR CLAIMING DETAILS OF THE RESTRICTION.

In fact this is incredibly uncommon to do on MafiaScum, since this site in general disdains modkilling for claiming of any sort. Where is it common. Other sites. SALAMANCE IS NEW TO MAFIASCUM. HE PLAYS ON OTHER SITES.

TLDR, if he cannot claim his restriction this is the first time in his history as a moderator that StrangerCoug has engaged in this particular piece of COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT. Over MULTIPLE bastard mod games.

Piggy and Salamance scumteam. 100%.

[GreyICE]

Oh, Angry? Why are you defending him so much?

He's clearly revealed the ability to do very abstract concepts, and "write"

*Writes Shah*
*Writes soul*
*Writes NS*

*writes "my post restriction is X"*

*Notices Mod doesn't say Piggy is in trouble*
*Wonders if Piggy is faking a post restriction*

*thinks "my post restriction is X"*

*Sarcastically claims scum*
*Claims conftown*

*claims to have a post restriction of X*

*Hears talk about massclam*
*wishes mod would force replace PM*

*Hears talk of post restriction*
*wishes his post restriction was nothing, instead of X*


Why the fuck is this so tough then, AP?

Don't think it hasn't occurred to me that the only way there's three scum is if you're one.

[GreyICE]

*Wishes GreyIce would shut the fuck up*
*Sighs*
*Looks at GI calling PRs scum*
*Middle finger towards GI*

*looks at salamance*
*looks at noose*
*shoves salamance's head in noose*
*Hangs him*

[GreyICE]

I Lol'd at Sals last post.

GI why would Sal make Piggy do a PR too? That just seems so risky for a two man scum team.

I don't know. What I do know is that there's no restrictions on them telling us about their post restriction. Salamance's is clearly loose enough that he can just outright tell us, instead of stalling for pages, which is all he's done.

Maybe Piggy is town, I don't know. I do know in every single game where there's been more than one post restriction, one has been scum.

I do know that Salamance is uncommunicative.

I do not see a town motive for it.

This is the guy who thinks it's a good gambit to claim scum as a townie, and claim miller day 1 as scum. He likes doing weird shit. The fact he can't explain his weird shit, despite CLEARLY having the tools to do so makes me 100% convinced the lack of town motive is due to not having a town win condition.

[GreyICE]

Voided, do you agree that there is no town motive to lie about a post restriction?

[GreyICE]

Answer the question, Voided.

If he lies, he fries

Agree/disagree?

[GreyICE]

Answer the question, Voided.

If he lies, he fries

Agree/disagree?

...no.

So what's the town motive for lying, then?

[GreyICE]

So what's the town motive for lying, then?

That's irrelevant.

What's the scum motive for faking a PR and not sitting on his ass using that as a scapegoat for providing no reads or obfuscating what reads he may have? I've still not seen any points against this, Grey.

Sala: If you're town and faking that PR, I'm going to seriously wonder what's wrong with you. I don't believe such as of right now, but that's going to be my state of mind then.

AP: Stop copying him.

He's done something other than sit on his ass?

Lessee. Day 2, he does nothing but vote Soul.

Day 3 he votes NS because *shrugs*

Interesting.

What, exactly, would you say he's done that's so amazing, Voided?

[GreyICE]

I started with the King of Spades, and I honestly don't think it matters. StrangerCoug would probably have used random.org to assign the cards the scumteam got. There's not going to be a pattern.

Honestly, this reminds me of Reck's stupid chart in Fate mafia, and it's the same Information Instead of Analysis. Combined with Soul's stance that "the PR's make perfect sense" (even though EVERY SINGLE TIME Coug gave out more than one he gave a PR to SCUM so even if he believed Salamance's PR there'd be no reason to call him town) and Salamance's sudden change in reads (from Soul must die day 2 to "soul? What's a Soul?" day 3), yeah, I'm pretty confident in calling those two scum together.

[GreyICE]

You're assuming that there's a pattern to the distribution of cards. Do you

really

think SC would let the setup be broken THAT easily?

Please.

NS

ARE YOU SCUM

[GreyICE]

If I had to plunge into setup spec I would throw darts at GI, Piggy, KJ. As my top picks.

P-edit
VOTE: Piggy

Honestly, I'd rather lynch you than piggy. Just to stop your damn reads from getting everywhere.

[GreyICE]

It's a theory. I'm basing it off scum read locations (there's a ton of combos that'd make this useless if I didn't have town reads I believed quite a bit). I'm not asking to lynch a townread. Even if this doesn't make you think it's true, I already had thought that group of 4 was scum. It's mainly a supplementary reason (although I personally think it's a strong supplement). Joker is obviously chosen for jester. Going a step further and thinking Sc might have tried to have some fun with careful patterns for other things is far from impossible (both PRs were also a heart while all the diamonds were vanilla town). Patterns have been proven to exist. I doubt they're all coincidences.

~Mehdi

You're scum with Salamance, in other words.

[GreyICE]

Right, because once in the history of mankind scum forgot who they night killed.

Wait, it actually never happened. Ever. In the history of mankind.

If there was a SK or something I might pay attention to it, but it's EVEN MORE LIKELY she's town off of that.

[GreyICE]

Unofficial Vote count
Piggy: AP
NS: Sala, Soul2277, Voidedmafia
Sala: GreyICE
Voided: killerjester
Soul: NS
Not voting: PiggyGal15, PMysterious

Both non voters could help and vote somewhere. Two more people is needed for NS to be lynched. Grey would need 5 more right now. PM also needs 5 votes to be lynched (any of the three work although the first two are stronger scum reads).

~Mehdi

AP - See what's happening here? Scum is trying to set up a IaI/MoI dichotomy. "Oh, it has to be one of these two! And when they both flip town, welp."

Salamance/Soul. Both are scum.

[GreyICE]

I've just grown to prefer GI after calling piggy town (or doing something town) when he'd been pushing on her and sala shortly before (NS works fine and I'll swap back if you vote NS). Voided is probably town (MoI kill makes no sense from scum voided when MoI was defending him hard and would have been willing to lynch us as well).

And do you want to lynch us as well?:P

~Mehdi

I'd been pushing Piggy?

Do tell, Medhi. Where?

Scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Okay, they're both scum. Guaranteed.

In reference to our two PR people.

~Mehdi

Hey Medhi, I like how you try and undermine me.

You think I'm scum, and yet you try and make sure the town doesn't listen to me, even if I get lynched.

If I was going to flip red, don't you think that they'd ignore me on their own? Yet you know that's not the case.

[GreyICE]

I imagine you do disagree with it, Medhi. I imagine how much I care about what scum disagree with. " " much. That's how much.

You're scum, bro.

As for Piggy, I completely misread what she wrote. There's nothing strange about that, Medhi. Unless you're a scumbag whose looking to pin shit on me, rather than actually determine my alignment.

[GreyICE]

Kind of, but look at how many people want to lynch Sally that aren't GI. Its not like it had risk of going through.

Okay, I'm scum busy bussing. He's irritating as shit in the QT, you have no idea. He follows the fake post restriction in there too.

Vote him and help me lynch him.

[GreyICE]

You don't honestly think its fake, do you? The connection between him/Piggy is too strong to make it likely they are faking since ...dafuq?

StrangerCoug hands out post restrictions as often to scum as he does to town.

Salamance has:

- Dropped his suspicions of Soul ENTIRELY. You mentioned the possibility of me bussing Salamance because no one suspected him. Was soul going to get lynched day 2 over the jester who was literally TRYING to get himself lynched? No. Yet day 3, Salamance's suspicions of Soul have disappeared as cleanly as if he got a cop clear on him (an event that is impossible, as you can't have 4 of a kind right now thanks to everyone having a face card as a starting card)

- Refused to explain his post restriction when he clearly has the capacity to (He can just go " *Salamance picks up a pen and writes "my post restriction is X"*")

- Voted NS in the laziest vote imaginable at the start of day 3.

Coasting scum.

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:

Ok. NS is going to die.

I want PM replaced during the day. His prod status has to elapse first. We'll just wait it out right now do he gets replaced.

Oh?

Are you quite sure of that?

[GreyICE]

Soul unvotes NS to let PM get replaced
Soul asks Piggy to vote NS

Grey asks that Soul or Salamance be lynched, those being the only two scum lynches the town can get.

[GreyICE]

On the other hand, I'll support a PM lynch on general principle.

[GreyICE]

Sure of what? NS or you dying today is a yes. Getting one of you set to be lynched now then waiting works over waiting then getting one of you lynched. NS currently has 2 votes, I'm willing to vote again once pm is replaced. That leaves two other votes NS needs to get that I want on him.

P-edit: Grey I'm curious where you're going to get the 5 votes to lynch me (only you and ns really care for my blood).

And PM who do you suspect (and vote)?

~Mehdi

@ Soul: Oh, don't worry, Medhi, keep making posts like this, and I'll have five votes~

I can feel the fear, medhi. Do you really think you're gonna survive this game now?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Soul

Can everyone read #910 and realize that it comes from a pure scum motivation, and then do away with this fucking moron.

I am serious, the scum team is Salamance and Soul. No one else.

Despite how PM sucks like a black hole.

Okay, could be PM. None of my scum reads seem to give a fuck about how fucking awful he is.

[GreyICE]

Oh look, obvscum can type nonsense phrases into his ** posts.

But he apparently can't just come out and tell us things straight up.

Can we lynch him yet?

How can people be this fucking dense?

[GreyICE]

Prod received. MoI seems like an odd choice of an NK to me.

THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY
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I so totally feel your pain.

Grey, shut the fuck up.

Voided, I'm right, you're wrong, and I'm gonna laugh at you when this is shown to be true~

[GreyICE]

I'm willing to vote any of the following today: Salamence, OverMehdi, PM (pure policy).

NS, are you scum or not?

[GreyICE]

*Looks at Soul wagon*
*Laughs insanely*
*Healed from stroke*
*Excitement*

*watches Salamance not vote his supposed scum read*
*Wonders why salamance wants everyone to know he's for a soul lynch without a vote*
*Figure he knows something*
*Hangs him with Soul*

[GreyICE]

Hi Medhi scum.

You're really easy to read under pressure.

[GreyICE]

Salamance was scum.

This is my surprised face.

It isn't here.

I'm not surprised.

[GreyICE]

Sala had the more interesting (and more tolerable) restriction, interestingly enough.

There was no post restriction.

Someday.

Someday I will sell the average townie that the obviously faked post restriction is OBVIOUSLY FAKED.

How the FUCK did any of you buy that horrible post restriction? I will NEVER UNDERSTAND.

Towns should honestly just proxy their vote to me.

[GreyICE]

....

Wut?

You played awful.

You lost.

Deal with it dawg

[GreyICE]

You still lost

Even if I couldn't convince the dumbest people on the planet your fake restriction was fake.

That's their fault.

[GreyICE]

The point was that he was clearly LOST when I pressed him for details on his restriction, and he clearly failed to provide them. He had the single laziest vote in the entire game, and he just completely DROPPED his soul suspicion because he forgot about it.

It has been said a thousand times, and it is always true, VoidedMafia:

LYNCH ALL LIARS

He lies, he fries.

There are no excuses and no second chances.

You excused lying.

[GreyICE]

No, that's not MY point. Jeez. I'm not even talking about that, anyways (though I will accept my part in it).

You mean why did I choose to press Salamance rather than Piggy?

Well you can call it gut, but that vote at the start of day 3 was SO fucking lazy. It just reeked of scum.


Also:

*points to eye*
*opens can*
*ties knot*
*covers mouth with hand*
*orders Direct tv*

I can not [something] directly? I can't lie directly?

I mean come on.

He wasn't even TRYING to pretend he was town

Just lynch things that aren't town.

[GreyICE]

...No. That's not it.

I'M saying that, regardless of whether or not his PR was real or not, it was more interesting and tolerable than Piggy's (again, regardless of whether or not hers was real). Though that was a question on my mind, so thanks for answering that.

It was at that.

But it was more interesting
More tolerable
And he was scum~

I wish scum were only the intolerable uninteresting people.

But they're not~

[GreyICE]

Haha. Good game.

Sorry about your lynch, btw.

It just kinda spiraled out of control.

Might have been drunk that night.

[GreyICE]

Grey, I will see your I told you do, but I raise you a Dr lynch.

piggy, never again fake a post restriction. I really don't see the reason someone would do it as town (didn't that get DDDP lynched in Winvitational?).

If Piggy had said her restriction was fake I would have been with you on a Sala lynch.

-_-

Answer me one thing.

Assume the post restriction was real. Look at StrangerCoug's history.

WHY DO YOU ASSUME THAT MAKES THE PR TOWN?

[GreyICE]

We both felt Sala was doing townie things with his Pr.

Lynch.
All.
Liars.