Micro 76 - Mafia in Verona (Game Over)

[N]

Imma make a wagon

VOTE: Malakittens

[N]

Duh.

[N]

Why aren't you voting for her then?

Because I'm bandwagonning too! I even said as much when I voted...

[N]

But there weren't any votes on me, so that would hardly be a wagon.

[N]

Unvote: Equinox

Vote: Petapan

Blatant bandwagoning.

[N]

N, what is your read of me?

It's page 2, so not much yet. You're probably the scummiest so far, but that could always be because you're also the highest poster. You calling Equinox out for bandwagonning was weird, especially when it was quite obvious she was doing it deliberately (I had just said I wanted a wagon and she obliged).

(If my interpretation is wrong, Equinox, please tell me.)

[N]

By the way, peta: why IceGuy?

[N]

What's the point of starting a wagon if I'm just going to get off it again before Mala even has a chance to comment?

Although, now I've said that, I've pretty much ruined it, so I may as well switch to you.
VOTE: DeasVail

[N]

N, what are you expecting me to say to the wagon? Apparently you are trying to reaction fish and I'm not going to fall for it.

I don't know, which is why I did it. If I knew what you would say, what would be the point?

He put PETA at l-1 without really giving his thoughts.

Why are you writing peta in capitals?

[N]

My phone autocorrects it.

Damn, I thought you were trying to send a hidden message to your buddy like "let's kill peta tonight", but that's a pretty good excuse.

So, I'm liking N because he doesn't post a lot but what he says makes sense. I'm liking mala because she calls me town on page 2. I don't like Iceguy for putting people at L-1 just because. I don't like peta because he's an ass, but that might not be indicative of allignment. I don't like Konowa at all for a post full of excuses and a vote and a far fetched accusation of mala after that.

vote konowa

This post is horrible. I mean, seriously what.

[N]

What do you think of your wagon?

Kill the people on it with fire.

What, all of them? That's half the game.

Seriously though, do it in the order Konowa -> Malakittens -> petapan -> Equinox -> DeasVail.

If you think Konowa and Mala are the two most likely scum, why are you voting for peta, your third scumread? There are only two mafia in this game.

[N]

You forgot who you biggest suspect was?

[N]

Equinox, if IG is scum and about to be lynched, scum do not have a kill. So why does it matter if he hasn't tried to telegraph anything?

Variant of the QT tell. Vote stays.

What's the QT tell?

[N]

Konowa claimed scum has no kill when one player is dead, which is wrong.

But it's not wrong? If one mafia is lynched, the remaining scum can't kill that night.

[N]

I don't think IceGuy should be the lynch for today; maybe later, but there's scummier fish to fry.

Can I tempt anyone with a DeasVail wagon? I can't remember my reasons for voting for him off the top of my head, but I'm sure they were good!

[N]

stop

You want me to hammertime?

[N]

Can I tempt anyone with a DeasVail wagon? I can't remember my reasons for voting for him off the top of my head, but I'm sure they were good!

No, man, you're going to need a proper song and dance for a DeasVail wagon to happen, so why are you on it?

All right. I'll get to that.

I had a look through his iso, and there really isn't much there. It's full of one line posts and useless questions he never follows up.

Why aren't you voting for her then?

Myko, why the confidence?

N, what are you expecting me to say to the wagon? Apparently you are trying to reaction fish and I'm not going to fall for it.

Why would there be any possibility of you falling for it if you are town?

Why haven't you told everyone of the tell?

Isn't calling the read overstating its significance?

IceGuy, are you deliberately trying to appear nonchalant in response to your wagon, or is it a natural thing?

[N]

Actually, please compare my play with yours and show me how I've been more useless.

(I'm not saying that we've been equally useless, but I would like you to do the above still if you want)

Well, I've stated reasons for why I voted for you. Your vote is on IceGuy because you "really don't have any other scum reads". You then accused him of deliberately trying to appear nonchalant, while claiming your own similar play is because "That's me being me."

[N]

I never accused IceGuy of that, but ok.

IceGuy, are you deliberately trying to appear nonchalant in response to your wagon, or is it a natural thing?

[N]

More votes on DV please. Deadline's 3 days. Equinox, petapan, jump on! And whoever is the buddy should bus; that makes 5.

[N]

Well, that was quite a reaction from peta. I haven't looked at his meta, but that rage looks pretty town to me.

Ok, can anyone link me to where town have used the word 'scumbag'?

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I've literally only seen scum use it.

This, on the other hand, is horrible. You were willing to put someone at L-1 was because he said the word "scumbag"?

[N]

One day till deadline.

VOTE: mykonian

[N]

I think you'll help lynch yourself just fine.

[N]

I'll hammer then.

VOTE: no lynch

[N]

VOTE: no lynch

[N]

Well then.

[N]

Equinox, do you think 138 is a buddy post?

I think, if you're going to call any post of mine buddying, it should have been 201, where I asked specifically for petapan and Equinox to join the DeasVail wagon.

[N]

I'm watchin'.

[N]

N, what's your read of Equinox?

You haven't really done much. You got on my Mala wagon in RVS, which is good, even if DV derailed it before anything could happen.

You were also the one that suggested voting no lynch, which sounded like a good idea at the time, but as Konowa said, it could be a delaying tactic in this set-up where there's no night-talk. I see where Konowa's coming from there: it's put an extra 5 (or so) rl days between the mykonian lynch and when we actually start discussing, and that added time makes it a bit harder to remember who said what.

[N]

Incidentally, why did you think No Lynch was a good idea at the time?

Because it was mylo? That's as far as I thought it through at the time, to be honest - mylo=no lynch.

[N]

Riot you're confused. If we lynch scum today game goes to 3:1. Scum then will have no NK. No Lynching accomplishes nothig because scum can't take it to 2:1 vis NK. So if we mislynch then we go to 2:1. And would have another chance.

Scum only have no kill for one night. If we lynch scum today, it's mylo tomorrow. No lynch would give the remaining one a kill and make it lylo.

Didn't you already have this argument with IceGuy on day 1?

[N]

Setup Rules

1. This is an Open Setup. The amount of each role and the role PMs are all described in the next post and can also be found in the setup's wiki page. There are no hidden mechanics or roles. If there are any questions about how the mechanics work, I will answer them.
   
2. The Mafia Goons have no factional communication.
   
3. The Mafia Goons must
   individually
   PM their kill target to the moderator. If all living Mafia members send in the same target, that player will die. Otherwise, there will be
   No Kill
   .
   
4. If either Mafia Goon dies, the next Night will be skipped.

[N]

I found the argument between Konowa and IceGuy I was looking for on page 5; it's a bit different than this situation, but I would have thought town-Konowa would have looked at the rules again after IceGuy accused him of getting them wrong.

[N]

Well, yes, I think he should know better; I think you should know what set up you're going to be playing when you sign up for an open game, but that's not relevant to alignment in the game.

I'm thinking Konowa's more likely to be scum right now because he's now gotten into two arguments about the set-up.

[N]

The next night, not all following nights.

[N]

hello.

Peta, are you scum?

no stop trying to coordinate your nightkill

VOTE: mykonian

hello.

Peta, are you scum?

hello.

Peta, are you scum?

no stop trying to coordinate your nightkill

VOTE: mykonian

Like I would need this.

vote Peta

it's peta this time guys.

Deas is innocent.

it's peta this time guys.

Deas is innocent.

How do you figure this?

Peta is off and I count on deas.

Yes, in clueless micro.

Shoot. That scares me, completely forgot about that game. Had to reread it to remember what happened.

vote konowa

Peta, bussing is allowed. Go for it!

Just because you don't want to be convinced.

I'll wait it out, don't you worry about it. 3 days and Equinox isn't going to get lynched. Because he's not scum.

You know what you could do? Vote peta.

IceGuy's wagon day 1 happened too fast to be all town.

[N]

Fuck. I didn't mean to do that. I was going through day 1, looking for who might be trying to telegraph a peta kill and saw those posts from mykonian, but then I realised mykonian was dead so I wasn't going to post them.

[N]

If IceGuy tried to telegraph anything about peta, it was by putting votes out there with no reasoning - that's where his vote was at the end of the day.

All there is from Equinox is this post:

Definitely not lynching petapan, though; pretty sure he's town now.

Konowa really only mentioned peta once, to vote for him in RVS - I guess it's possible he could be setting it up really early?

Vote: petapan

How'd you reach that?

CF Riot mentioned peta a few times, usually in one-liner posts

DV what's your read on Konowa and Peta?

vote: peta

I challenge anyone to point to something that gives them a townread on Peta.

I'm just posting to say I read Peta's tantrum but I'm still alright with my vote.

[N]

Out of IceGuy and Equinox, I'd rather lynch Equinox. Not very confident, though.

[N]

Not right now.

[N]

Not very confident, though.

[N]

Also, I would like to see what Equinox has to say now it's obvious IceGuy and I aren't partners.

[N]

All right then.

VOTE: Equinox

[N]

VOTE: no lynch

[N]

I hate being first to post in a new day, especially when I was last to post the previous day; there's nothing to respond to. I also hate lylo. Two negative make a positive?

[N]

How are you supposed to be able to answer that? "It's in my role PM"?

[N]

Which actions are you asking about in particular?

[N]

You think

all

of my actions only have scum motivation?

[N]

This is the height of the IceGuy wagon.

(4)

IceGuy

- Malakittens, petapan, DeasVail,

(Equinox,)

Konowa

Is Equinox trying to get off a wagon on her buddy? Or are she and Konowa playing silly games where only one can be on the wagon at a time?

[N]

Going to give it a few hours and then vote N.

This never happened.

[N]

VOTE: Konowa

That's good; it means the paranoia I was feeling about IceGuy was just paranoia.

[N]

There's no motivation for me as scum to brig it to this 3p lylo grouping. I would have shot N and brought Riot as he was going to vote IG next.

You realise I can say exactly the same thing, right? (Except swapping the two of us, obviously.) This is a pretty weak defence.

[N]

Why are you using dead scum to connect to partner instead of the actions of N or I to Equinox and see which is more likely to make sense?

Are you saying to just completely ignore dead scums' actions? I think you should take both (how dead scum acted and how people acted towards them) into consideration, but this is getting into Mafia Theory.

I'll do what you suggest, though, and go through your posts.

If IG is scum, I think it's pretty clear that Equinox is his partner due to the timing of her vote switch.

Now that we know both Equinox's and IceGuy's alignments, this looks like you're trying to clear Equinox of being scum by tying her to the most likely mislynch of the day. Once he had flipped town, you quite easily could have gone "well, that clears Equinox."

DV, why myk over IG?
I'm having a hard time swallowing IG and mykonian both as scum.

Again, now knowing both IceGuy's and mykonian's are both town, this looks like you're saying "there's one scum in this pair; let's lynch one and if they flip town, lynch the other."

Need to go read N and Riot as it pertains to Equinox and IceGuy and see what makes the most sense.

Once you realised Equinox was about to be lynched, you tried to tie her to me.

For what it's worth, my play at the very beginning of D4 should show I'm not Equinox's partner. There is no reason for me as scum to come out and vote her like that in a lylo situation .

You mean this?

Vote: Equinox

I'll explain if I have to, but with no factional communication she is pretty obvscum.

unvote;

Just realized lylo. Still, Equinox.

Your vote was on Equinox for only two and a half hours, no one else commented in between, and you knew there was nothing to worry about because town don't quicklynch.

[N]

Nothing from me at this stage.

[N]

Except I like your matching hat and shoes.

[N]

This was hard without a QT. I was surprised no one noticed my obvious breadcrumbs for a petapan kill d1; I think I went over the top with them. My d2 attempted kill was Konowa, because a few people had called him a townread, including Equinox. After that didn't go through, I reread what Equinox said d2 and thought, with all she said about scum having to kill another townread, she was saying we should kill a scumread.

I took IceGuy and Konowa into lylo because Konowa had already mentioned suspicion of IceGuy and I thought I might be able to do the whole "townread alive in lylo is probably scum" thing on IceGuy. Also, I had no idea what CF Riot was thinking so I didn't want to risk having him there.

[N]

Konowa's push on vs N's lack of push on Equinox is one of the reasons I thought he was town. There wasn't much suspicion of Equinox in thread before Konowa posted so I didn't see scum bussing at that point.

This is why I had to kill you.