NY 159: RUST game over

TheReverend · Post Post #631 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:53 am

Hi guys, I'm reading through and will add my thoughts when I'm through, sorry if it takes me some time, I'll try to be up to date by the end of the weekend. Glad to see it looks like we have a strong town here.

TheReverend · Post Post #742 (isolation #1) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:19 pm

Right I'm more or less up to date, hard to absorb 30 pages of info so I'm gonna do some isos on everyone over the next day or so and go from there.

If I were to pick a scum read based on my first skim through the thread, I'd say BC is looking pretty bad with zab showing up as scum, he tires very hard to distance himself from zab.

I want to stop short of pointing too many fos at this stage, but rofl, rob and drmyshotgun look town to me at first read. Taz was looking bad in my read but he's apparently been cleared so that seems to have shot that read down, so take these notes for what they're worth. Will post my updated reads when I've done an iso on everyone.

TheReverend · Post Post #769 (isolation #2) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:29 am

Why are we trying to fast wagon? I'm doing my isos right now and I'm making progress. Fast lynches cost us discussion and hence info. I've done a darthe iso and I'm not against his lynch, but I'd like to have everyone done before I throw my vote in.

People who are trying to fast wagon look suspicious, but it confuses me that rob is all GOGOGO because I had a town read on him as I skimmed the thread. Yet to do an iso on him though.

Still got lots to do, will hopefully have my isos done and reads posted later today.

TheReverend · Post Post #774 (isolation #3) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:45 am

In post 770, Rob14 wrote:Darthe's ISO is scummy and we have a confirmed-town tracker stating that he is one of two options on who killed Zab. SK seems likely based on balance and the roles that have already been claimed.

Agree darthe looks scummy. I have him "leaning scum" right now. But I don't like that people are trying to force this through with so much time left today. Maybe my read will change on him after I've read through everyone's iso, so I'd rather wait.

TheReverend · Post Post #830 (isolation #4) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:26 am

Ok so I've done most of my work and I'm just left with taz and the dead, will do those guys tomorrow, getting tired and very bored.

scummy...
BC, malp, drmyshotgun

town...
ckd, prohawk, darthe, rofl, rob, pigeon, taz

null...
cheerydog, josh, paid pyro, peregrine

These are preliminary reads based on two days of isos. I might have missed important information that clears or implicates, if so please point it out.

pigeon's 735 needs to be looked at. He looks so town other than this single post, which stinks.
My scum reads, I doubt both "millers" are scum but I've never played a game with millers so I'm inexperienced in that respect. drmyshotgun is only scummy because he pretends to not know how paid pyro is after asking the mod to update the player list.
Town reads, there might be scum hiding in here, if so they're bussing hard.
Null reads, good chance of scum hiding in here.

Here's my iso commentary notes for anyone who can be bothered to trawl through them...
tl;dr

Spoiler:

TheReverend · Post Post #839 (isolation #5) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:48 pm

ckd is angry, where I've been playing for the last two years or so, this is considered a scumtell. But then it's a small pool of players at a poker forum who play together often, so we're all more or less friends and rarely bitch at each other, so it might be a flawed read. I have him as town because of the DC trap, it seemed legit to me. Can he do this as scum? Is he angry when he's town? I can move him into scum camp if these questions are answered unfavourably for him. I have no desire to read old games after the shift I've put in today catching up, I'll have some time tomorrow.

For now I like BC or darthe, BC because it helps clear up the miller issue, which is confusing me to fuck, and darthe because he looks scummy aside from his response to taz's fakeclaim.

TheReverend · Post Post #894 (isolation #6) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:51 pm

Pidgeon, can you explain your town read on cheery please? I can't get anything from an iso on him. He votes DC but avoids zab. I don't like his fos @prohawk. I'm leaning scum with him just because the remaining active players are looking town for various reasons... BC and malp, I have no idea what's going on between them but for either to be scum they made a really bad move, and darthe failing to fall for taz's fakeclaim makes him look much better. Also was it you who said peregrine is town? I'd like reasons for this too. If you can clear both of these two, that's huge progress.

TheReverend · Post Post #932 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:44 am

This thread is moving so much faster than my other game, 2 pages here and no new posts there lol.

I can hammer, no prob with DC lynch. Don't we want more chit chat though?

TheReverend · Post Post #933 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:45 am

DC lynch BC lynch, whatever. I'm stoned.

TheReverend · Post Post #935 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:47 am

Fine, it excites me.

VOTE: BC

TheReverend · Post Post #937 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:32 am

TheReverend · Post Post #953 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:03 pm

Miller role should be 1-shot vig too so he can blast himself in the face and rid the town of the hinderance.

TheReverend · Post Post #1059 (isolation #12) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:24 am

What the fuck? This thread is moving so much faster than my other one, finding it hard to keep up.

So is this wrapped up already? I'm claiming MVP.

TheReverend · Post Post #1060 (isolation #13) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:29 am

For the record, I believe AP, not rofl. It's pretty clear there's one between them, and malp looks like one, so unless we have five scum, we've got them cornered. AP would be fucking crazy to throw a fake guilty verdict out on rofl to get him lynched, since he has no team left. So rofl is full of shit. Nice work pidgeon.

TheReverend · Post Post #1061 (isolation #14) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:37 am

I had a case vs malp for today too. Look at the timing of his claim. Zab was in trouble and malp's claim drew attention away from zab and towards BC. Fishy. But let's see how he explains away his gun first...

TheReverend · Post Post #1069 (isolation #15) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:59 am

In post 1062, roflcopter wrote:can any of you people so happy to congratulate pidgeon on his guilty explain what happened to the scum kill night one if it wasn't shot at my bulletproof vest?

I don't know, I can only guess you guys didn't bother to NK on n1 because you wanted to be able to claim bulletproof later on. Now, please tell us why pidgeon would pull a fake verdict on you when zab and DC got dead on d1 and malp is looking fucked?

Both seem crazy, but the former seems less crazy than the latter.

TheReverend · Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:05 am

In post 1070, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why am I doubting that malp is actually scum.

I'm pretty sure he is. The timing of his claim is just too fishy now BC has flipped town. And he has a gun after claiming miller... it doesn't look good for him.

TheReverend · Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:31 pm

JESUS THIS THREAD EXPLODED

Are we mass claiming?

I'm town miller.

TheReverend · Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:31 pm

HAHAHAHAHA joke guys I'm vanilla.

TheReverend · Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:34 pm

Honestly this is the single most interesting werwolf/mafia day I have ever had the joy to be part of. Thoroughly enjoyed catching up.

TheReverend · Post Post #1240 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:14 pm

In post 1239, Rob14 wrote:Third Difference: CKD has not shown up as a town read on almost anyone's lists. Rofl is a relatively strong town read for a lot of people.

I think he's town, and I think AP is scum. But if I'm wrong about one, I'm wrong about both. AP made the 4th scum comment, which doesn't sit well with me. Also he was really keen for a mass claim to happen today. That, along with ckd catching him lying, has me leaning AP out of the two. ckd, he tried to trap DC last night and caught AP today, he looks town to me. But he does look worse out of the two in iso with the dead scum, so idk.

My strongest reads are rob and drmy, both are obvtown. For that reason I'm happy to sheep them for today. If ckd flips town, my vote is on AP all day long tomorrow. I'm happy with the info a ckd lynch provide, we get scum today or tomorrow imo.

VOTE: ckd

And if ckd flips scum, I think that clears a lot of people and we're looking at darthe, peregrine, cheerydog, josh and paid pyro as our targets, possibly malp, maaaaaybe rofl. But rofl is still the only person to explain the lack of n1 kill. I don't seriously think the scum would sacrifice a kill to claim bulletproof later. Would they?

idk, I think we have a much, much clearer picture tomorrow with either a ckd or pigeon lynch.

TheReverend · Post Post #1250 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:46 pm

In post 1245, AngryPidgeon wrote:Anybody else think Revs last post is scum central?

Why? Because I name you and not ckd? What if I say you're town and he's scum? Am I still scum central?

It's hard to defend vs scum central. I need more please.

TheReverend · Post Post #1251 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:53 pm

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Aw cmon, there was everyone online before when I was playing poker, now when I'm ready for an hour of arguing and finger wagging there's no-one online. No fair.

TheReverend · Post Post #1253 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:56 pm

Yeah but you're town. Do you think my post was scummy? If so, why?

TheReverend · Post Post #1256 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:03 pm

In post 1247, Cheery Dog wrote:and AP doesn't have a gun to be clear.

Oh ffs I only just noticed this, so AP is town too. So I can't even accuse him of being scum any more. Lame.

lol ninjad

Yeah AP I was wrong. Soz.

TheReverend · Post Post #1259 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:10 pm

In post 1255, AngryPidgeon wrote:And why are you so sure we are scum/town?

Call it a hunch. At one stage I was thinking that you and rofl were scum, bussing hard, one dies and the other is loltown, but that just seems too crazy. But the way it went down earlier with you and ckd, it really felt like there was scum between you. I thought you because you were caught lying, but if cheery is honest then I'm clearly wrong.

Let's see the ckd flip before you throw the chain of mislynches thing at me. I get that point, but if you're town, I'm confident in our lynch today. You might have a case tomorrow.

pedits...

cheery... I have a scum read between them... at the time I thought AP was best lynch for town, followed by ckd... both way ahead of everyone else. AP isn't getting lynched today is he?

rob... it was a lame joke.

TheReverend · Post Post #1261 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:35 pm

I didn't think for a minute I could convince anyone to lynch AP. Rob was saying he's town, just no way he was getting lynched over ckd. So I chip in. I'm happy to see ckd die over everyone else because I like the info a ckd flip gives us. I don't see why that's scummy.

TheReverend · Post Post #1266 (isolation #27) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:26 am

Well cheery looks town to me now. I can't see him faking GS since he won't know if AP is vig or not, so I think cheery is cleared too, right?

So here's a breakdown of how I see it, feel free to correct any retardedness...

Cheery Dog - town, claim GS
curiouskarmadog - scummy, claim joat
malpascp - no idea, claim miller
Darthe* - scummy, claim vanilla
drmyshotgun - town - claim doc
ProHawk* - leaning town - claim vanilla
roflcopter* - leaning town - claim joat
Josh Lyman** - no idea
Paid Pyro - no idea
PeregrineV* - scummy, no claim yet that I'm aware of
AngryPidgeon - town - claim vanilla
The Reverend - town - claim vanilla
Rob13 - town - claim joat

So we have 13 left, 6 of which look scummy, and 6 look town, not including myself. If I put myself in the unknown quantity list, that leaves 6 towns and 7 scum potentials. If we just lynch/shoot into the 7, and the remaining scum are in the group of 7, that's a lock, right? Scum can't NK enough people to counter the lynches and vig shots, right?

I don't even care if you guys think I'm scummy. Way I see it, if I get lynched, it helps the town to win. Provided there's no scum in the 6 town, this is a town win.

Is this assessment correct?

TheReverend · Post Post #1268 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:31 am

Oh wait, vig can shoot town of course. It's not a lock yet.

It's fucking close though.

pedit - we do still have two or three unclaimed, so there might be more vig shots.

TheReverend · Post Post #1270 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:03 am

In post 1269, Cheery Dog wrote:I think paid pyro claimed vt yesterday

Which means it's just pere and josh still to claim

*isos*
So he did. He's too quiet to get any sort of read off, but surely scum posts more than 4 times? I dunno about this site, but where played before here, wolves are usually excited about their role and rarely drift by with minimal input. Some like to lie low, but not this low. But, I don't know about people at this site.

TheReverend · Post Post #1274 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:03 am

I didn't even realise there were three on the AP wagon lol, thought it was just ckd. Yeah now my ckd vote looks really bad. Obv not gonna flip now though, AP is a retarded lynch after cheery cleared him, but at the time I def should've voted for AP. I'd argue that as scum I'd be a lot more careful about voting for a town read when my scum read has a wagon on him too. But I can't blame you guys for giving me heat for it.

TheReverend · Post Post #1297 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:52 am

If AP is scum then so surely is cheerydog. Can't see it myself, unless they think both of them can cruise to the end dripping on town cred. Only takes a lynch of one to nail them both, so doesn't seem very optimal. I'm happy AP is town.

I'd like to know how malp is conf town, because I haven't got the slightest fucking clue what he is.

TheReverend · Post Post #1325 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:55 pm

Yeah last time you were here we were all having a smoke and some lulz while we danced over BC's corpse, then he flipped town and everyone was all "fuck", then we all had a nice sleep and dreams about helicopters and giant pigeons, then we woke up to find a dead taz and someone dropped a thermobaric weapon on the thread and everyone started to make wild claims about this and that and omfg which led to a massclaim and basically the net result is ckd is scum so vote for him and read up from your last post because it's a fucking insane read.

TheReverend · Post Post #1335 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:07 pm

I think rofl hammered.

TheReverend · Post Post #1408 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:04 pm

It's 6am and I'm drunk. WHY AM I STILL AWAKE? I'll read up tomorrow. wn
roflcopter* - leaning town
Josh Lyman** - leaning town based on rob's town tell
Paid Pyro - scummy
AngryPidgeon - town
The Reverend - town
Rob13 - town

TheReverend · Post Post #1409 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:05 pm

lol I posted that before I intended, was still making my reads list. Fuck this I need sleep, I'll reassess tomorrow.

TheReverend · Post Post #1410 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:07 pm

my other scum reads are darthe and malp fwiw. Good nnight all.

TheReverend · Post Post #1414 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:09 am

lol I don't even remember posting this morning. And now I have a hangover. Fuck off world, I'm going back to sleep.

VOTE: darthe

TheReverend · Post Post #1420 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:49 am

Ok rob I'm ok with holding back to so PP can catch up.

UNVOTE: darthe

TheReverend · Post Post #1447 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:50 am

Pyro, I replaced scooby. As for my drunk posts, they were posted when I was indeed drunk. You can question my motivation, maybe even my honesty, but I don't see how you can say "I don't believe in drunk posts" because I've made tons of posts as both villager and scum when drunk. It's a null tell when I do it so you're correct to not give me town cred for making such posts. But it's hardly worthy of note either.

TheReverend · Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:51 am

Jesus can't you people hide walls in spoilers?

TheReverend · Post Post #1487 (isolation #41) » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:36 am

In post 1481, Darthe wrote:Well fuck. Totally don't know how to work this place yet.

I appreciate the effort. Yeah [spolier=] tags instead of

, and preview before submit.

is malp at L-2? I'll throw in a VOTE: darthe since there's still lots of time and either could be scum.

TheReverend · Post Post #1509 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:23 pm

cheery, I gotta be honest I'm not following you. Your logic is flawed by virtue of me being town, but since I can't follow your logic I can't really show you why it's flawed.

And AP, you're leaning mislynch. I'm not gonna go ballistic defending myself because we can afford the mislynch and lynching me would be progress because I'm an unknown quantity and I don't want to get mislynched at lylo. But malp or darthe is the scum, probably malp. If you get through me malp and darthe and still no scum, well look hard at cheery. That could potentially be a smart gambit, chance of backfiring vs a vig but more than likely not, and he looks good for confirming a townie. I don't think cheery is scum, but if it's not malp or darthe, then I'll start to believe it. Just bear this in mind if it gets to lylo and I'm dead.

TheReverend · Post Post #1511 (isolation #43) » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:36 pm

He's leaning mislynch because he voting for town. But I'm not cleared.

And yeah that's what confused me about cheery's fos at me.

TheReverend · Post Post #1558 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:05 pm

Hi goofball.

I'm kind of with you on the cheery thing, in that I've had doubts about his claim. What are your thoughts on darthe? That's who I think is our most likely.

TheReverend · Post Post #1587 (isolation #45) » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:23 am

I still think darthe is more likely but cheery is in the group of three that I'm willing to lynch.

TheReverend · Post Post #1604 (isolation #46) » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:19 am

Ok so how does Josh send the NK if he hasn't logged on? Because that seems like a solid town tell to me. Can't see goofball being scum here.

TheReverend · Post Post #1626 (isolation #47) » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:04 pm

I'm down with one of <malp darthe cheery>. I think cheery is least likely of the three.

And fair enough maybe Josh can send the NK in advance, but it seems unlikely to me. Not seeing goof as a great lynch right now.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:24 pm

Sorry guys I'm trying to keep up.

What's so odd about PP's comment? Seems to me he's talking from the context of goofball being scum... if she's scum, then everyone else is town, right? So why would scumgoof push so hard for one townie when it's gonna be easy to lynch another? I don't see anything wrong with that sentence.

But I can maybe explain why it would be good scum motivation to push the lynch of someone not <malp darthe>... if neither of these two are scum, then the scum would want them around for as long as possible, because if these guys are villagers and still here when scum needs two mislynches to win, then scum winning is viable.

I don't think goof is scum, I don't see anything wrong with PP's comment, and I think we should be lynching darthe or malp because if we leave these guys around, we increase the chances of scum actually winning this.

I'll admit I haven't been putting in as much effort as I could have. I got complacent thinking we had this locked long ago. This doesn't seem as clear cut as it did, so I'm gonna pull my finger out and try to help find the scum.

If it's not one of <darthe malp cheery> then it's effectively lylo already if we lynch away from these guys.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:24 pm

Oh should I have let PP explain? My bad.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:36 pm

PP - are you seriously suggesting rob might not be town? If you're going to counterclaim his vig shot, then fine, we can entertain this idea.

TheReverend · Post Post #1760 (isolation #51) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:04 am

Wasn't expecting to see rofl die, but thanks scum, he had the largest iso that needed reading.

darthe...

Early on, he's pointing fingers at ckd for defending zab.

966 - here starts a strange exchange between darthe and pidgeon... darth posts a list of potential vig suspects, names CKD, AP and CD, pidgeon posts "what?" at the CKD, darthe backtracks and says "Whoops! Meant to Put CD and accidentally slid that K in there lol, then I put it correctly after that."... next post he says "Also, I am assuming you only ask because CKD hasn't particularly been high on my scumdar?"...

This feels awakward

His reaction to the claim on him was good, and coupled with his earlier push for two scum, he doesn't look too bad in iso. I'm not sure about darthe, I think arguments can be made for either scum or town. I can accept his death today.

malp...

First post claims miller. The timing of this is interesting... page 5, at the time, zab was being wagonned and dc + ckd were both getting heat. The 2nd miller outing naturally points a suspicious finger at the 1st miller claim, and totally derails the conversation into a clusterfuck of miller talk, while cranking the pressure on BC.

His posts seem awkward but this can be explained by him getting a shitty role and a whole heap of finger pointing.

I'm on the fence with malp. I think the timing of his claim is the single most damning piece of evidence against him, but it's circumstancial. He's my preferred lynch today because letting him live to lylo makes it too easy for scum to claim miller, but I'm not gonna be overly shocked if he does flip miller.

paid pyro...

13 posts in total. Total waste of space. No votes for any confirmed scum. This could well be our man, trying his hardest to fly under the radar while we all wag fingers. His first post includes "Darthe, dermy, prohawk = scum" while leaning scum with ckd.
pmysterious gave us nothing also.

Scummy as hell.

pro hawk...

iirc, he was tracked by ckd. Quick to point out inconsistencies in zab's posts, which played a huge role in his face getting blown off. Also votes DC on d1, and ckd on d2. All in all, he's looking pretty obvtown to me, unless he's awesome scum and is bussing hard.

Town.

goofball...

Josh gave us nothing. Goofball comes in and starts pointing fingers from the off. She seems pretty pro-town to me, but again, maybe she's just very good at playing scum.

Leaning town.

Reads after reading isos -
probably scum - paid pyro
potential scum - darthe, malp
town - rob and pidgeon obv, probably prohawk and goofball

TheReverend · Post Post #1761 (isolation #52) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:06 am

Lol I said malp was my preferred lynch before iso'ing paid pyro.

Must proof read harder.

TheReverend · Post Post #1763 (isolation #53) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:10 am

Sounds like a winning plan to me. Why the no lynch? Can you explain that please? I know what lylo is, what's mylo?

TheReverend · Post Post #1766 (isolation #54) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:20 am

Oh I see, there will be 2x town and 1x scum, instead of 3x town 1x scum, giving us less town to mislynch. Makes perfect sense now.

TheReverend · Post Post #1770 (isolation #55) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:39 am

Yeah I know ckd was scum, I was merely jotting notes. I assume ckd did track or rb him though since ckd was joat and it would be risky to claim a no-action track on someone who might have acted that night.

Why is PP town? Honestly, reading his iso, I couldn't get anything. I understand that reading an iso means you lose a lot of context, but he's floating by and hasn't pressured any of the confirmed scum.

I think PH is obvtown fwiw. I could be wrong, but I'm not in any hurry to lynch him.

TheReverend · Post Post #1771 (isolation #56) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:42 am

Actually PH could be scum, that could be how ckd knows he didn't act.

Hmmmmm..

TheReverend · Post Post #1772 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:48 am

Well I just started reading PH's iso again and immediately saw that he was the one who started the assauly on zab. For him to be scum he's bussing hard at a time he doesn't need to.

I guess he could be scum, but he's top town read for me after rob and pidgeon.

Yeah I'm not gonna be on the PH wagon any time soon.

It's one of... darthe, malp, paid pyro... unless someone shows me why I'm wrong about pp.

TheReverend · Post Post #1806 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:42 pm

In post 1798, Paid Pyro wrote:Actual rev you're such a *removes vulgarity*. Day one I wasn't here to vote. Zab NKed. The CKD was lynched prior to my thread Re-read, since I was way behind. Also, if im scummy why didn't you vote me? How about you soft push me some more.

Aw come on, the point of the game is to find scum, and one tactic I employ is to prod people. Soft push? Blatant prod, more like. I'm a removed vulgarity because I'm trying to put some pressure on you so you can add to your impressive post count and give us some reads? Really?

I didn't vote for you because it's still early in the day. AP is insisting you're town, I asked him to explain why and was waiting for his response before I decided if I should press for your lynch. If he can convince me I'm wrong, then I won't prod you any more and you can go back to doing nothing productive.

TheReverend · Post Post #1811 (isolation #59) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:11 pm

In post 1810, Paid Pyro wrote:You're just a lazy as I am but at least I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I think maybe you should read my recent posts before you suggest I'm not willing to accept my own failings.

Why are you trying to push me into voting for you? What difference does it make if I wait for you and pidgeon to respond? I'm in no hurry, we got over a week haven't we?

You want to see if others will join in.

If you really think this, then I would suggest you're voting for the wrong person. Surely if I'm testing the town's willingness to lynch you, that's scum motivated right? Why would you say this when you're voting for prohawk?

I don't understand why AP has such a town read on you, and I don't understand why people have a scum read on prohawk.

TheReverend · Post Post #1814 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:32 pm

Pyro - it wouldn't be an emotional vote, it would be one based on your read that I'm reaction baiting the town and not you.

You don't seem to be making sense. Either you have doubts about me that you refuse to acknowledge, or you're scum trying to implicate as many town as possible.

I'm not ready to vote for you yet because I still need to do a rofl iso and try to figure out why he was picked off instead of rob or pidgeon. It's quite a task that requires motivation. Like I say, we've got plenty of time. I don't see why you're pressing for votes this early. I've said who I think are town and who I think might be scum, it's not like I'm trying to protect my hand.

My gut says it's not prohawk. We're at odds.

TheReverend · Post Post #1826 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:59 am

In post 1760, TheReverend wrote:pro hawk...

iirc, he was tracked by ckd. Quick to point out inconsistencies in zab's posts, which played a huge role in his face getting blown off. Also votes DC on d1, and ckd on d2. All in all, he's looking pretty obvtown to me, unless he's awesome scum and is bussing hard.

Just want to emphasise these points I made earlier.

Can anyone build a scum case on prohawk that weighs more heavily than the town case of him trying to bus three scum? Because I really don't want to lynch someone who I'm convinced is town, and he's getting enough heat today that he might get lynched.

I'm suspicious of pyro the most through today for two reasons...

1. He shadowing pidgeon's scum read on prohawk. Pidgeon is confirmed town, and the fact he's pushing for a lynch on someone I think is town gives the scum an opportunity to try and get someone lynched who shouldn't be. Pyro's first post was a vote for prohawk, that's 629. Pidgeon's first serious fos @PH was post 378 where he tells us he modded a game on another site where PH was town, and that AP consider's PH's town play to be transparent.

2. His activity has increased significantly since I accused him of flying under the radar.

AP has failed to convince me that PP is town. "gut read" just doesn't cut it, not when he's pointing fingers at someone who played a significant role in getting scum shot on n1, and voted two other scum in the opening days.

There's a much more solid town case on PH than PP imo. The fact PH is getting more heat today is very odd to me.

TheReverend · Post Post #1828 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:12 am

Lo not scum. It's pyro dude, open your eyes. How the hell is prohawk scum?

What's IIoA? All these acronyms are doing my nut.

TheReverend · Post Post #1831 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:08 pm

Actually this is good work pyro. I think it's likely that scum helped lynch BC, and ckd wasn't part of that wagon.

VOTE: darthe

If you're scum that's a really good move.

And if town go for me today, go for darthe tomorrow, not pyro.

TheReverend · Post Post #1835 (isolation #64) » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:03 am

No I thought it was L-2, sorry. Can't say I was paying a huge amount of attention to how many votes he had. I was just excited because from my pov I have a clear and obvious lynch target. Surely there was scum on the BC wagon, and I am 100% sure rob and myself are town. That kinda narrows it down. I'll be sweating tomorrow if he somehow flips town, but I can't see it, and at least it's not lylo tomorrow.

TheReverend · Post Post #1837 (isolation #65) » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:08 am

In post 1836, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ugh, ugh, ugh

Steady now, I know we're close to winning but it's just a nerd game, nothing to get too excited about.

TheReverend · Post Post #1840 (isolation #66) » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:13 am

Becuase there's gotta be scum on the BC wagon, and there's you and me on there, everyone else is town. I know my role. So either everyone on the BC wagon was town, or you're scum. I think the latter is way more likely.

TheReverend · Post Post #1877 (isolation #67) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:46 am

Holy shit I'm L-1? Reading up, hold on.

TheReverend · Post Post #1878 (isolation #68) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:53 am

Ok, so I'm scum because I think darthe must be scum?

Funny. Look at it from my pov, I see a town wagon with lots of town names on it. I actually think there is likely to be scum on that wagon. Obviously, if that is the case, it's darthe. I have a pool of one to pick from. Hence, confident read. How is that scummy exactly?

But I can die today, because then you only have one person left on that wagon who you don't know the role of. Darthe can go tomorrow for the win.

Here's why I'm town, by the way... AP is still alive. He's been meta checking me, I saw him browsing my other game twice over the last week. Why now would I NK rofl and not someone who is suspicious of me?

It's darthe. This whill become more obvious to you guys when you see my role. If not then the scum did very well to stay off the BC wagon.

goof - how on Earth can you hate Father Jack? You need some culture, woman.

TheReverend · Post Post #1879 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:53 am

Go ahead and hammer now. Darthe tomorrow please.

TheReverend · Post Post #1881 (isolation #70) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:10 am

Of course I'm pushing to get you lynched. I actually think pyro cracked it. If I'm wrong, I die tomorrow. Well, looks like I die today and you tomorrow, but w/e.

It's a pretty bold move for scum to back pyro's theory up so strongly when it heavily implicates him after just one lynch.

TheReverend · Post Post #1884 (isolation #71) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:24 am

I've explained. Live another day? What use is that? If I'm scum, I need to live three days. So why would I support pyro's BC wagon theory when I know this draws attention to me?

Darthe is very likely to be scum, from my pov, because he's the only person on the BC wagon that I do not know the role of. That's pretty simple. If darthe is not scum, it means that the BC wagon was all town.

Lynching me today tells you what you need to know about one of the unknowns on the BC wagon. I'd rather go today or tomorrow than at lylo. My motives for not kicking up a fuss at L-1 are pro-town. If this lynch goes through, you'll see that.

TheReverend · Post Post #1886 (isolation #72) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:43 am

Soft claiming? You're jumping to conclusions. I'm vanilla, when you see I'm town-aligned, then you see there's only one person left on the BC wagon who can be scum. I'm not soft-claiming any power role, if that's what you're thinking.

TheReverend · Post Post #1888 (isolation #73) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:53 am

Why would I set mislynches based on my death? If I die, and I'm scum, it's game over. No future mislynch will help me. You're not making any sense.

Why would darthe be a really dumb lynch tomorrow if you kill me today?

TheReverend · Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:13 am

Ok so let me just get this straight... do people actually think that maybe the BC wagon was all town? Because in my two years experience playing this game, I would say that's really unlikely. And that's at a site where majority vote is not needed for lynch, so it would be easier for wolves to keep off.

I hammered BC, further I did it when others were willing to hammer. If scum, why would I put myself on a town wagon with no scum on it when others are willing to hammer?

Why are you people having a hard time seeing why I think darthe is scum? Why is it a shock that I'm willing to die today without complaining when I see it helping the town to narrow the scum pool down to one?

If I die today, kill darthe tomorrow. Please. It's not rocket science.

goof - wrong.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:30 am

I'm sorry pidgeon, but I can't help but feel that self voting at L-1 when town to be somewhat anti-town. At the very least you get to see who hammers me.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 am

I didn't ask to be hammered fwiw, I merely said town could go ahead. But it doesn't matter, as long as you're going for darthe tomorrow.

I never self hammer this spot whether town or scum, because we can't be 100% sure it's between myself and darthe. If we were 100% sure, I self hammer as town or scum. So it's null. Self hammering here is knowingly killing a townie without a guaranteed win in sight. Not pro-town.

Why are you alive AP? So I can ask you why you're still alive?

TheReverend · Post Post #1903 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:43 pm

No it's not. gg town.

TheReverend · Post Post #1905 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:45 pm

fwiw I never in a million years thought I'd get this far after replacing in to a scum team in that much shit. Solid town. I was hoping the BC hammer looked too blatant to ever be scum. That and the rofl NK were supposed to try and make it look like I'm never scum, but you guys too good.

This town was too strong for me.

TheReverend · Post Post #1909 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:57 pm

I was glad to see rob telling the town that I'm town, that gave me hope that I could upll this off, but he was gonna have to get NKed sooner or later because otherwise the only reason he hasn't been killed is because I'm scum.

The rofl kill was partly because I didn't want to kill rob, and if I killed pidgeon it points to me. I figured a rofl kill would point to darthe more than me. Also I couldn't be bothered to iso him and if I left him I'd have had to in order to pretend to be town.
Also I though he might be lying about 1-shot bulletproof and be full bulletproof.
rofl was targetted on n1, and I was indeed a strongman mafia. I was convinced someone was lying to protect his role because you guys seemed to think the game was so imbalanced.

TheReverend · Post Post #1920 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:37 pm

lol the f62 post, I make that as town or scum! How can anyone hate on Father Ted? I took it to f62 because I didn't want to derail the game with silly non-game chit chat, but I had a brief exchange with the mod who locked it (I pmed him) and I won't mention even non-game related things spoken in game in future until after. It was a little careless I suppose.

I enjoyed the fight, however futile it felt at times. I was starting to think I could win it until pyro dropped the BC wagon on the thread. My hand was forced, as town I go straight after darthe in that spot so I had little choice but to go head first into what seemed like suicide just in case it seemed too crazy for scum to play that line. I was dead as soon as pyro showed us the BC wagon. I'm kinda glad you got me today because tomorrow was gearing up to be depressing if darthe died today.

Thanks guys.

TheReverend · Post Post #1921 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:38 pm

In post 1917, AngryPidgeon wrote:You were a 1x Strongman?

Yup, used it when I killed rofl just in case he was full bulletproof.

TheReverend · Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 pm

I didn't feel that not voting was a huge issue. Way I saw it, if I'm town I attack you and await your reaction before voting. I was of course reaction baiting the town, but I thought it was well disguised as reaction baiting you, at least I was hoping the majority thought that. I didn't really care if one person alone was barking at me, unless that said person actually shows why I'm likely scum lol. I felt my attack on you was credible until you showed the town the BC wagon, which forced a change in target. Ideally I wanted darthe and malp left after today's mislynch, if I succeeded there I felt I had a reasonable chance of an unlikely victory. But it gets harder and harder to avoid scrutiny the less people there are, so I wasn't too expectant.

TheReverend · Post Post #1953 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:20 am

I think I could've won this if I hadn't hammered BC. I'm sure there were town willing to do it, and it would've meant the entire wagon was town.

I still have no idea how prohawk was ever getting heat in this game. It's funny that it was the scum who refused to entertain the idea he's scum.

Thanks mod. I enjoyed this one.