Micro 89 ~ Mafia Rarefaction Segunda (Game Over!)

[Parama]

VOTE: Parama why are you hiding your online status hmm? It's because you're a mafia member right?

Because I've hidden my online status for the last 6-7 years on every site I join

vote: Tierce

before she steamrolls my scumteam again WAIT THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY

[Parama]

at deadline the player with a plurality will be lynched - in the event of a tie, the player who reached the highest number of votes first; in the event of that tying, a random player.

Zzz Trevor read the rules before you ask stupid questions next time okay? You're my first official scumread now

[Parama]

Trevor if you read it why did you have to ask? .-.

[Parama]

Honestly if you actually cared you could have easily scrolled up, but I don't think you really do care. You just asked to look like you were bringing something to the table even though you weren't.

Or I'm reading in to things too deeply.
Maybe both.

[Parama]

Kon, Thor is hard to read but Majiffy appears to be an open book.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: TwoUpstandingGentlemen

[Parama]

Holy crap, there were emos in the 80's?

[Parama]

1993 bro

[Parama]

t(^.^t)

[Parama]

I will admit that I have no clue what I'm doing right now if it makes you feel any worse

[Parama]

Because tierce did

[Parama]

Parama I think you should start explaining what you're doing.

God I wish I knew lol

[Parama]

Fighting is scum. 100%.

unvote, vote: Aeris

[Parama]

Oh dammit tierce you ruined my fun

unvote, vote: Fighting

[Parama]

Hmm I'mma actually read the thread now, brb

[Parama]

Why was I calling out Trevor?

FoS: Parama

Leaf why is L-1 relevant on page 1?
Also I lied I have a town read on Majiffy and a beard read on Thor
Okay okay! Leaf is assuming Tierce is scum in trying to paint Tierce as scum! Predetermined read alert! Scum found!
Trevor is happily rolling on the ground

Fighting still hasn't contributed anything by his second post. First post: A vote. Second: A dumb question.
>Post 43
>Null on me
>Voting me
Zzz

...what the hell, this game is a mess.
Ehh Leaf is town never mind what I said
Also Aeris is probtown but also obv newbie
This game is already a mess, woo

[Parama]

Ace is also MIA

[Parama]

I am voting Fighting
And?

[Parama]

and no comment on my vote/post?

[Parama]

No
I'm serious now

Guys
100% scum here

[Parama]

Nah.

[Parama]

Fighting:
He suspects everyone and gives bad reasoning for everyone

[Parama]

Okay, so please tell me why I'd do these things I'm doing as scum?

[Parama]

>Trolling = town
>Being serious = scum

This is what you're saying

[Parama]

I gave you a pass since I assumed you were a

troll

but since you are saying you are

serious

, no reason to hold back on lynching you now.

What am I misrepresenting, again?

[Parama]

You're still missing the point.

[Parama]

>5 pages
>nothing to say

...

[Parama]

>5 pages
>nothing to say
>whoops never mind let's sheep the largest wagon without reason

unvote, vote: aceofspades

[Parama]

Fighting is still scum too btw

[Parama]

Would be silly if all the smarter people in this game pulled town
Because that's what it's looking like atm

[Parama]

Then explain to me his town motivation?

[Parama]

*looks at wagon*

Wow, scum really love me.

[Parama]

Zzz

unvote, vote: Fighting

That's still what you're pushing?

[Parama]

>Trolling = town
>Being serious = scum

This is what you're saying

Seriously

I think the point you're missing is that if I was scum why would I admit to being serious :V

[Parama]

Coz you are stupid?

:U

[Parama]

(For the record, Fighting's post is not a valid answer)

[Parama]

Fighting is not Ace

[Parama]

*headdesk*

[Parama]

>votes ace
>nobody follows
>votes fighting
>suddenly someone else wants to lynch ace

[Parama]

Well now I want to lynch Fighting more

Though I'll prob lolhammer ace if he gets to L-1

[Parama]

Why is nobody talking
I guess everyone else has finals this week too? .-.

[Parama]

TUG.
Lynch Fighting with me FFS.

[Parama]

He's Thor that's why

[Parama]

What does town lose from not having it answered?

[Parama]

This is seriously the most boring game.

[Parama]

That's an incredibly roundabout way of self-righteously defending yourself, I must say. I'm impressed, Fighting, but I'm still going to vote you.

[Parama]

No, it's because that question was so blatant in what you meant by it that I didn't bother addressing it. I hardly care what scum asks me anyways.

[Parama]

Lol Fighting is hilariously self-righteous

[Parama]

Lol
Dat OMGUS
Just sayin'

[Parama]

Stefan:
I would say that this game is a bad game for me :V
Just like go read my other recent games if you want, I usually can actually play
This game's just a mess but I know Fighting's scum so I'm going to push that one

[Parama]

I don't want to get to rarefaction. Lynch Fighting.

[Parama]

And yes, I saw the claim. I don't believe it. I do believe he's trying to draw out the real innocent child, however.

[Parama]

On that note, in the rare parallel universe where he actually is town, he'd screw us over in rarefaction with his crap reads. I don't think I've agreed with a single one of this reads all game.

[Parama]

I don't want to get to rarefaction. Lynch Fighting.

No cc's confirms me as town even without mod confirmation.

No CC's confirms that the real innocent child isn't a moron.

[Parama]

w/e
if I die tonight though Fighting is 100% scum :\

[Parama]

don't care yet

[Parama]

I like how you've switched to attacking Tierce after she made a big case on you.
I like even more how, as far as I care, the majority of your case seems to be based on meta.
I like even EVEN more how you're still scum :>

[Parama]

If fighting isn't scum, Trevor 100% is.
Bleh.

[Parama]

Here's me not hammering TUG

No point in asking for a claim though lol

[Parama]

STOP
USING
META
HOLY CRAP

[Parama]

Fighting it seems like 90% of your casemaking and logic is based on meta
That does not jive yo

[Parama]

Stop. Trolling. Do you understand how this game is played?

I'm not trolling.
I'm analyzing your play.

[Parama]

Tierce go lead a wagon on everyone so that Fighting won't like lynching

[Parama]

>Using one game as the basis for my entire meta
>Has well over 100 games by now

[Parama]

You expect too much out of a lazy bum like me.
Also I'm not trolling.

[Parama]

You see this is why I think you're scum.
1. At first you didn't contribute anything worthwhile
2. Then you posted crappy logic; Troll = town, Serious = scum and stuff
3. And then, all the meta ever without actually referencing why anything Tierce has done is scummy. YOU LITERALLY HAVE WALLS OF NOTHING BUT USELESS META.
4. Also now everything I say is trolling apparently even though I'm A) Being serious and B) Being logical

[Parama]

Tierce: Because I'm pissed at Fighting

[Parama]

FTR Fighting I never troll games I'm just ridiculous uneven
Like take two recent scumgames of mine
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=24064 (most of the hydra posts ended up being mine ftr)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23864

In the first there's actually playing the game while still screwing around, in the second lolnope whogivesadamn.jpg
Aka no meta here bro

[Parama]

Tierce I'll hammer if we have less than 12 hours left alright

[Parama]

'cause I honestly don't think TUG is scum

[Parama]

I very seriously think what's going on here is scum letting town duke it out with each other though
Like I said
Trevor
He's scum
With or without Fighting
am I even voting him

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Trevor

[Parama]

Hey Parama, whether you buy my case on Tierce or not, you can't honestly believe I'd crunch all those numbers as scum

Okay, this argument.
Here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2333821
The link to the post where I as scum made the single most analytical post of the game (and my mafia career as well).

Now find a new argument.

[Parama]

>looks at Konowa wagon
Hmm. I think I'm going to wait and see how this pans out.

[Parama]

You don't seem to have thought this through.

Haha

[Parama]

Leaf I have reasons

[Parama]

With the deadline coming up, I'm not getting lynched over TUG.

Powerlynch this guy tomorrow thanks

[Parama]

vote: Trevor

[Parama]

Vote: Leafsnail

Leaf: It is normal to hesitate before a lynch and question if it is the right one.

Yeah but it was odd considering Aeris' comments on the matter. What Trevor just did is way worse and pretty much unjustifiable though

You were fully fine with this wagon and thought it was a scum lynch until I hammered? This is pretty much a slip.

FTR your hammer would have been scummier if it WAS on scum
Just saying

[Parama]

dunno yet.

Also the point being. Scum randomly quickhammering scum who would be lynched anyways? That's just fishing for towncred right there.

[Parama]

thoughts on trevor's hammer?

[Parama]

Agree with you. If F16 made rarefaction as scum he would've been autolynch. So Trevor saying he's town because of the town hammer doesn't make sense. Also, Trevor voting me yesterday then switching because my wagon wasn't gaining traction and then voting Leaf today doesn't make sense as Town.

Wow, you didn't read a thing did you?
1. TUG was lynched
2. Trevor is saying he'd be town in a scum lynch, but that's not the point

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Trevor

Call me next time i get prodded, there's no point doing anything else.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Trevor

Call me next time i get prodded, there's no point doing anything else.

VOTE: Parama.

I am not letting you do this. You are either scum or not playing to your alignment and either way we can't let you live.

So
1. Trevor is your top pick for scum
2. I'm voting your top pick
3. You're policy lynching me as a result

[Parama]

i've decided who I want to lynch today. there's not much to say on the matter.
also I never answer questions so good luck with that

[Parama]

If you prefer that team, why vote Trevor in the first place?

[Parama]

What happens when I flip town, then? :V

[Parama]

Aeris can you please get off the wagon Trevor's only voting on to prevent his own lynch? Preferably with a vote on Trevor instead? Kthx

[Parama]

I don't really have a town read
Nor do I have a scum read
But Trevor's just voting Konowa for self-preservation and you know it

[Parama]

Self-preservation is scum
Konowa is incredibly town if Trevor is scum
So hmm yes Konowa is incredibly town

[Parama]

^Wasted vote #3

From all the dumb you guys are doing scum is going to get their plurality town lynch without even trying

[Parama]

Wow Leaf is taking my "never answer questions" thing literally
Holy hell, he might actually be scum

[Parama]

maybe I don't like your questions
(I skim a lot and miss them prob then too lazy to answer later)

[Parama]

The latter yep

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Leafsnail

to prevent him from making Konowa the top plurality lynch
~reasons~

I still want Trevor hung from every tree though

[Parama]

Your entire argument is "justify this from a town perspective"
So please, justify my play from a scum perspective if I'm scum kthx
(p.s. I actually try harder as scum usually but w/e)

[Parama]

Note that yes I do have a scumread on you leaf

[Parama]

Wow Leaf is taking my "never answer questions" thing literally
Holy hell, he might actually be scum

[Parama]

Thus your play which all seems to be aimed at avoiding your own lynch

Please take note that this is the perfect description of Trevor's play

[Parama]

Trevor all game:
Nah, not gonna scumhunt
Oh, TUG is going to be deadline lynched, but I might possibly be lynched instead of him, so hammer just in case
Hey look, Konowa has a person voting him and isn't my scumbuddy, let's vote him so I don't get lynched

[Parama]

LEAF this is the same stuff I've been saying for all goddamn day

Also show me where it applies lol because I'm both scumhunting and not playing for survival, I'm playing to lynch scum

[Parama]

I have a grand total of one person wanting to lynch me, I could care less about one vote. I only voted you to keep Konowa from becoming the leading wagon, though you being scum helped make that decision

[Parama]

Ugh I don't want to read all these walls
So I won't

[Parama]

Hey fitz can you vote yourself plz

[Parama]

you're scum

[Parama]

Ugh now Tierce reads as scum to me and I have no clue what's going on here

unvote

Sigh

[Parama]

Side note: I totally didn't post that in response to cfj's question

[Parama]

I don't always troll y'know
This game is just pissing me off because you guys lynched town d1 and it wasn't my fault so nyeh

[Parama]

was pushing trevor by the end of the day

[Parama]

Konowa.
Would you be opposed to a fitz push?
It's not like he's done a damn thing either.

vote: fitz

[Parama]

WELL AT LEAST MY JOB IS EASY

vote: fitz

If this slot isn't scum, then I give up, because we're going to lose anyways.

[Parama]

I'm waiting for "trololo it was cfj/Aeris all along"
But really
No
It isn't

[Parama]

No matter how long day goes for, nothing will happen to convince me to vote cfj over you. I'm not going to drag this out for no reason.

[Parama]

Oh, and when fitz flips scum, leaf and Aeris should cross and give the hammer to Konowa because in no universe are Kon/fitz scum together.

[Parama]

Even though fitz just quickhammered to save Konowa?

>looks at day-end votecount

what are you talking about

[Parama]

Leaf, out of the three in our cell, who do you think is most likely scum?

[Parama]

zzz nobody is surprised by this
I'm not gonna rush you cfj
But this isn't a hard decision

[Parama]

I dunno really. Could be anyone there which is why I'm glad I got the easy decision .-.

[Parama]

A case of fitz being obvscum, duh. The guy I've been pushing for god knows how long. Is scum. Shock. And. Awe.
Please note how in 841 he calls me obvscum, doesn't give anything to back it up, but asks for your read anyways. The line is out of place in the post, considering the rest of it has nothing to do with me.

[Parama]

Please also note that throughout his ISO he says many things like "I like this point against Parama. I don't like this Parama post."
He doesn't say why, just that he does. Without fail. No reason why anything I've done is scummy, just that it "is". Seriously, look at his ISO 3. Search my name and count the number of times "like" or "liking" are in proximity of my name.

And in ISO 6: "You either suck as town or are scum, but I'm not going to say which. Please unvote." He also says he suspects me, except I might be sucky town.
ISO 7: "Crap, he's not going to unvote, so OMGUS time."
ISO 8 promises a case. His next two posts (fairly decent sized) say nothing about me.
Also, voting confirmed town with confirmed town is apparently scummy. Cool. No, that's pretty sucky wagon analysis.
Naturally, because "I suspect Parama" and "I don't like Parama's posts," I am "obvscum" to fitz.

No, his entire read is blatantly phony and only in place out of necessity to survive. Doesn't take a genius to see why.

[Parama]

Fitz.
You have not been here all game.

My scum read on Trevor/you has been near-certain since the end of day 1.
Like I said, I would not possibly vote anyone but you today, so I had no reason to wait. Your entire argument assumes I'm scum to argue I'm scum, and says nothing about what I've actually posted in this game.
I will say that it feels damn good to have been so right for so long, even if the rest of failtown hasn't been doing anything to help

[Parama]

You can't do VCA that puts yourself as confirmed town, especially when you're scum. C'mon fitz, you know better than this.

[Parama]

It should also be noted that VCA shows you quickhammering without reason twice on town wagons, which I think is a fair bit scummier than not wanting to lynch town. Just a little.

[Parama]

Still missing the point of VCA, maybe you really don't understand it lol
Also, it's not that you hammered, but how you hammered. Both of you. The same way. For the same reason.
And again again missing the point of VCA.

[Parama]

Your VCA only helps yourself. VCA with neutral alignments helps the entire town. Assuming you're town does not help the town. Especially when you're scum. In fact, it makes your entire VCA completely pointless since I know it's wrong.

[Parama]

Note: I have provided a pretty awesome analysis of fitz's attacks on me today and pretty much trashed his arguments without breaking a sweat
if that's doing nothing oh well
I should probably go and provide real content tomorrow though, like figuring out the other scum, since nobody else seems to want to atm

[Parama]

Side note: This setup is really scum-sided, even with the innocent child
I basically made cfj a stand-in child anyways with a quick vote on fitz (and a more useful child than fighting \o/) yet we have to lynch twice in a row to stand a chance of winning
It amounts to the same as a 9P newbie mountainous, except without extra flip info :\
I mean, the n1 kill can't even be analyzed because scum had to kill fighting due to role. sigh.

[Parama]

wow englishing.
"we have to lynch scum twice in a row to win" is a much better way of not butchering that line

[Parama]

finally
we could have like
not been in rarefaction if we'd just listened to me
but whatever

I will figure out who's scum today
on which note
leaf, unvote plz

[Parama]

Okay nvm don't unvote Leaf
Well then Aeris is conftown alright

[Parama]

this is the harder vote though tbh
:\

[Parama]

OKAY
Me/CFJ/Aeris are now working as a team and Aeris should not vote until all three of us have agreed on the scum

[Parama]

blah I'll get to this tonight >.>

[Parama]

proddodge srry
I just have not been in a mafia mood lately :\

[Parama]

Dodging prod.
I really just don't want to read this :\

[Parama]

Ugh this game
Trevor went all out on Leafsnail while fitz seemed to be terrified of interacting with him, I dunno
fitz did interact with kon though and trevor had kon in the "vote: town, fos: scumbuddy" position several times :\

[Parama]

Leaf at the start of Rarefaction looks like "bus obviously doomed scumbuddy in hopes to gain towncred"
But he also makes legit points so
Could be confirmation bias?

[Parama]

What it's going to come down to for me is that I can easily see a lot of Leaf's posting being forced, whereas Kon's is all real, though not necessarily for the better.

If I base havingfitz's entire play on the quality of his attack on me (which boiled down to, literally, parama is scum parama is scum parama is scum parama is scum), then Leaf is totally the buddy. If he's secretly some super genius at intentionally faking that sort of relationship, which I DOUBT, then Know is scum ofc but... I dunno.

Ugh
Reading trevor
...it's Leaf. If I'm wrong, oh well, but really... that's my thoughts.
And this has NOTHING to do with a Konowa town read, it's just that leaf simply makes more sense as scum here, both in his play and in the confirmed scum's

[Parama]

inevitably I'll be completely wrong and cost town the game
then again
I can take only minimal blame for the first two terrible, terrible lynches
both of which the town in leaf/kon was very much responsible for
took three damn days to get my scumlynch anyways

[Parama]

so if I'm wrong here, you should have listened to me from the start.
/moral of the story

would have given me a better opportunity to be wrong later with less penalty

[Parama]

this is still a hilariously scum-sided setup if you ask me, and if the fitz slot wins I will be sad because neither him nor trevor deserves a win for the terrible, terrible play displayed here

[Parama]

For what it's worth, if I was scum I probably would've killed Tierce N1 and F16 N2.

I'm wondering if this is intentionally trying to say "hey look guys I forgot there was no N2" or if Kon legitimately didn't realize this

[Parama]

Sigh... so I was right on Kon's townslip >.>

[Parama]

I was thinking about this game and came to the conclusion that most of your posts felt orchestrated

That's what I said too
But whatever

[Parama]

For what it's worth, if I was scum I probably would've killed Tierce N1 and F16 N2.

I'm wondering if this is intentionally trying to say "hey look guys I forgot there was no N2" or if Kon legitimately didn't realize this

this

[Parama]

also I take no responsibility for this loss
from the end of D1 to endgame I didn't vote or legitimately push anyone but scum
everyday I'm shufflin'

[Parama]

what?

[Parama]

Yeah, I can't say anything about Leaf's play being bad. It was noticeably forced in places but solid overall.
Trevor/fitz though, just awful d(''d)

[Parama]

yeah next time bus him earlier :V