Mini 1401 - Game over!

[absta101]

VOTE: Kthxbye
Voting for a shit reason.

[absta101]

@Mod: Please don't do that with VC. I'd rather just one colour be used.

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UNVOTE:

@Slandaar

- Who have you played with before in this game?

[absta101]

I think kthx is town. Vote hopping (a lot) isn't scummy and is more of a town tell tell to me. It indicates that the player doesn't care that much of what others think of him.
I also like his activity.

@Hunter - Explain that.
If I wanted to "slide my unvote unnoticed" why did I use the unvote tags instead of just the bold tags?
Why did I write so little in that post? Surely I'd talk more to further hide it?

Also, why would scum-absta try to hide that unvote?

[absta101]

Have you seen why my vote was on him?

I think you're scum. I'll reply properly later/tomorrow.

[absta101]

@Huntress

@ absta: It was the impression I got. As to why scum-absta would do it? He might not want people to notice he was slipping off his buddy's wagon before it got too late. I note you were quick to come in and defend Kthxbye. Why did you unvote at that point? Who do you think is scum?

So your suspicion of me relies on Kthx being scum. Good to know. What makes him scum?

Why is your first question helpful to you?
My vote on Kthx wasn't serious. I unvote when I feel like the game can go on without RVS. When would town-absta unvote?
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@Slandaar

I don't remember any history lessons in this game, I expected Absta to vote me but he didn't, I find that less than town; he did not do what I expected town him to do, could I be wrong? yes, but weighing up the arguments I liked an Absta vote better.

Why did you expect me to vote you?

About half the game, how is this relevant to anything?

I've forgotten why I asked this.

Anyway, I don't think you and me know each other too well. I don't see why your vote was on me.
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why aren't you voting her?

She isn't vote worthy yet and I don't feel like voting by gut.

[absta101]

Conman, just replace out. You aren't helping by lynching yourself.

[absta101]

Conman, you should've tried the newbie games first. Get yourself used to this site.

@Kthx - Why'd you repeat what I said?
If you think he's scum, why ask him to replace out?

[absta101]

Quick reply:

@Kthx - He was town until he voted qwints. Now he's leaning scum.

[absta101]

@Huntress

- Firstly, you forgot to answer:
- When would town-absta unvote?
- Why is Kthx scum (pre post #52)?
Both are important.

Not entirely; it's too early to rely on connections so that was more of a note for later on.

So it was based on Kthx being scum.
Why would town-you post personal notes that only work for you?

It was more that your response to Slandaar's vote was not what I would have expected to see, and I was wondering why? You've addressed his vote now but that was a rather delayed reaction so still doesn't make me feel good about you.

If this was your reason, why didn't you mention it post #52?

I think Post #52 was an attempt at throwing shit my way.
VOTE: Huntress

And by "suspicion" I meant scum-motivation. My scum-motivation relies on me being scum with Kthx so why even bring me up?
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@Slandaar

Why would I vote you?

[absta101]

Well, you ruined that one.

What helpful information would you get for (fake) putting him L-1?

[absta101]

@Huntress

My original case was the fuss about scumhunting and his going after people who did seem to me to be hunting (post 41, post 43 and post 48).

So this was your case on Kthx pre #52?
Your suspicion of me (the one you posted in #52) only works if i'm Kthx's partner, and this case is what gave you the confidence to even consider the connection. That's bs.

Also, explain what you "expected" from my response to Slandaar's vote on me.
I'm voting you because I don't believe your accusation of me came from town.

I don't post my personal notes. What I post in the thread is for others to read.

Explain why what you posted about me would be useful to anyone who didn't have Kthx as a conf scum read.

How did this change your opinion of Conman?

It made his self vote look very fake. It showed that he didn't really want out of this game.

[absta101]

Intent to hammer (but i'm waiting for answers from Huntress).

Claim please.

[absta101]

Read Kthx's quote in context, she has taken what kthx said completely out of context to paint him scummy (and to defend Conman)

I did take it in context, in that he followed it up by confirming his vote on Conman, although this may be coloured by the fact that what he was calling a scumslip is something that I've found town are just as likely to say as scum.

It wasn't a slip granted

Context:
Conman is saying he wouldn't be scum because he would hurt his faction too much
Kthx then says: being a bad town is just as bad as being bad scum ie; hes saying this argument is terrible (it is) he hurts town if hes town scum if hes scum etc.

Huntress: This kthx guy knows conman is town! he is scum making preemptive defence!

okay now there's.... something. slaandar's got something here I think...... Okay slandaar. Are you willing to vote kthx based on this? It's pretty compelling...... The thing is. Huntess and kthx can't both be scum. Well I guess they could but it doesn't look like it. I'm thinking that conman is town. and if we lynch him we are just wasting our time. But at the same time... i'm not ready to vote for kthx. so I'm wanting to play it safe here

VOTE: No Lynch

Why would he vote Kthx for that...?
I swear he's calling Huntress scum.

[absta101]

Quick reply:

Mala I think I hate you. I swear you call me scum every game. Fuck sake.

[absta101]

@Mala

1) He has three current votes, but doesn't even care that he does. Meaning he's super calm, but doesn't feel the need to address them like they aren't worth it.

How is this even scummy?

They were shit (and obviously temporary) reasons.

2) He asks Slandaar a non important question, imo. (Filler post)

I can't defend this because I don't fully remember why I asked it.

Why would scum-absta post that (what's the scum motivation for making a filer post)?

3) He dodges most of the content that happened prior.

It was page two and I addressed the Kthx suspicion on page 3.

@Absta: I noticed that the last few games you played as town you normally vote hop, but this game you aren't vote hopping is there a reason for that?

It's a terri-bad way of playing. I believed I stopped doing it after our previous game together.

I don't like the self-vote at all. Don't do it, regardless of alignment, please.

It's a decent move by caught scum.
To the point, why wouldn't you want scum-conman to support his own lynch?

Absta - Reasons stated above. Completly calm when voted on, but doesn't question any of the votes on him. Gives me the illusion that he doesn't feel threatned by them.

This is vote worthy.
VOTE: Mala

[absta101]

No; it was the tone of post 44 that sparked my interest. My suspicion of Kthx had nothing to do with it. I would have still made the point about you even if I had no suspicion of him.

Wtf?

Why would it get your attention if you had no suspicion of Kthx? The only reason scum-absta would do it is to 'protect' his partner Kthx.

(and you can't slide an unvote by unnoticed, it's supposed to be clear for the Mod.)

I expected you to query it earlier, not bring it up later as if you had been reminded to ask about it.

It was more that your response to Slandaar's vote was not what I would have expected to see

Then what do you mean by this? ^

On what grounds?

It doesn't make sense to me, hence the interrogation.

It becomes useful when looked back at later should he flip scum.

"Later"

. It's useless now.
Town-you would note it down somewhere and bring it up should Kthx turn out to be scum (if you were confident in the possible connection).
Scum-you would bring it up (a terrible accusation) ASAP. Anything to make a townie look bad is good for you.

How does changing his mind and getting on with the game make him scum rather than town? It's more of a null tell to me.

He changes his mind as soon as we offered the option for town-him to replace out. I'm quite confident that town in his position would replace out once told to by 'everyone' else.
Do you agree?

[absta101]

Quick reply:

Mala I think I hate you. I swear you call me scum every game. Fuck sake.

Actually, nvm this. I guess your suspicions were justified due to your "vote hopping is scummy" mindset.

No hard feelings.

[absta101]

I thought you'd say that.

Is there a reason you didn't comment on my reason (Do you disagree with my vote)?

[absta101]

@Mala

Instead you did nothing as I said gave off the illusion that you can care less about them.

Why would scum care less than town?

What is the town-motivation for making a filer post?

You've just established that your second accusation is null.

There could have been other things that you could have said, but chose to ignore.

Like what?

Why are you so convinced he's scum. Why isn't there a possibility in your mind that he might actually be town?

What? He's leaning scum.
Also, answer the question. You said "regardless of alignment". Why wouldn't you want scum-conman to support his own lynch?

6) How is it vote worthy?

It's a terrible reason for calling me scum, probably the worst i've ever seen. Scum make fake reasons for calling town "scum". That's what I think you're doing.
How does me not being threatened by votes make me scum?

A recent game of mine I stopped thinking that vote hopping is a scummy thing.

What do you think of it now?
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@Slandaar

Absta is town btw

This smells like buddying, I don't believe i've done anything town-worthy yet. Explain please.

[absta101]

UNVOTE:
Starting over from here.

[absta101]

Conman asking for the VC constantly is slightly scummy imo. I sometimes do that when i'm scum as a habit. It's possible that scum do it to check which players are likely misslynches and to make sure they don't vote the same person as their partner(s).
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@d3x - I don't want to ask people things that have already been asked and all that.

[absta101]

@absta there is nothing wrong with asking for a vote count and just because you do it when your scum doesn't mean I would do it when I am scum

I know that.
Is there a reason you don't just let the mod post a VC when he thinks it's appropriate?

[absta101]

Really huntress? Nothing in my last post was logically based and just a smoke screen? This isn't the first time you've come to conmans defence btw. Any specific reason for that? Mind posting the reasons I'd need a smoke screen for anyway? Might get more votes that way...

tbh, I skipped your case on him. I hate the way it's set out.

If you want to convince me, point me to a scummy thing he's done, explain why scum would do it and why town wouldn't. We'll go from there.
VOTE: Kthx

Conman and huntress have a point.

@kthxbye you do not say anyone is suspicious but me you do not even acknowledge other players (exept for the vote for conman thing) and also I would like to see your scum list similar to mine

I've seen this come from town more than scum.

[absta101]

Who do you think Conman's partners would be based on this?

No thank you.

[absta101]

hmmm, about Conman, not exactly that. It's more "and what happens when I flip town?". Somehow his post gives me the same vibe.

[absta101]

- I was talking about Conman.

- I don't very much like the "This post is scum-X doing bla bla" X100 case. If you get what I mean?
I'll look over it.

[absta101]

6 days.

What's the case on Slandaar?

[absta101]

Yeah, I followed you. I'm just saying that there are also 2 votes on Kthx that are accomplishing about the same. I was thus wondering if you felt that it was going somewhere.

This doesn't sound important. Where were you going with this?

[absta101]

Conman answer the players questions or I will policy lynch you.

D3x - Your points on Slandaar are convincing.

[absta101]

VOTE: Conman
Fuck this.

[absta101]

Finish it.

[absta101]

Mala just finish it.

[absta101]

There's 4 days left. We should have a claim by now.

[absta101]

@Mod - I'm really sorry, please replace me.

[absta101]

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