NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: AA

You need help.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Empire

/serious vote.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Stretching to justify a vote.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur, I don't really see how that's stretching? What's wrong with my reasoning then?

Seems like it's a self-conscious post where you try to justify your vote quickly so suspicion isn't cast on you. It's stretching because it seems like you just looked for anything to justify your vote.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I shall get to this game some time today my lovelies.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mmm empiretown.

Vote: Mehdi

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Konowa are you scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait why are you voting NS in the first place rather than Mehdi if lolwagon on the latter? Because if mehdi comes up town you're eating rope.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nope. But while we are here, can you explain your change in thought on Empire?

....

You don't want my mehdi vote explained?...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay I'll actually read what I missed now but Konowa not questioning me on the blatant bangwagon vote with no reason whatsoever is scummy and choosing to focus instead on my empire town read.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So you don't question my alignment for it?

So ftr, you're cool with a wagon on a scumread of your consisting of all vote hopping, bandwagon votes, and no reasoning, right?

Pedit: At konowa.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Kingmaker – Are you an alt?

He's not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

2. The “most people prefer to be Town and thus these show Town alignment” reasons above are at best terrible.

Agree with this. AA was showing a general interest to start

playing

(as can be shown by the signup thread) so her "finally" reads more like "finally, the game started" regardless of alignment rather than a "finally, I landed a town role yea!".

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Ok how do you know that?

I'm psychic.

And why are you immediately working so hard attacking the credibility of the wagon you just put at L-2?

I'm questioning Knowoa, that's not attacking the Mehdi wagon. Also, I don't even know any info about the Mehdi wagon since I haven't read up yet, so I don't see how I can be attacking the credibility of the whole wagon yet (other than what I've already seen of Konowa).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Oh, meant to add a line about KM is a westerosi player so I obv know he's not an alt. I'm not that much of a douche...).

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(Actually I am but I'm trying not to come off that way in this game. At least not yet.).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You may be questioning Konowa but the second quote indeed does attack the credibility of the wagon given you basically call out all the votes as 'baseless'.

What? No, that was a hypothetical situation to see how Konowa WOULD respond to such a situation. Obv doing that to piggyback on my previous line of thought, that if konowa can be okay with one person blatantly bandwagoning, wouldn't he also be okay with all the others on his wagon, and so otherwise he's doing nothing to attempt to solve the game and only having a set people as a scumread and only pushing them regardless.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote Johhog

Johhog, you seem to be extreemly focused on one point and ignoring the second point that Mehdi mentioned in that post 75.

Medhi, could you repeat or elaborate on what you didn't like about Joh's post?

Lolscum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Woopsy got distracted.

But yea approve fully of the mehdi wagon lynch ahoy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lol at that read list.

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tl;dr I think everyone is null in one way or another but I'm going to put a whole read list and bold everyone's name and fancy and shit.

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(Well except MoI who happens to be town for some reason because "his reasoning doesn't look scum". And that doesn't help at all since it IS MoI ).

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(tbh MoI is actually reading scummy if anything for that Joh interaction).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vi vig shooting AA would still be a dumb shot until you explain how she's scummy instead of just playing a bit dumb.

This is stupid and the fact mehdi is choosing to focus on it is scummy + I don't see where Vi said she was a vig all she said is for a vig to shoot AA and I read that as a joke so the fact mehdi has to spend not ONE but TWO posts talking about this is stupid.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy, Empire, and Joh read town.

Rofl and SS read slight town. So does Vi a bit.

Mehdi is scum.

Baby and MoI read slight scum.

Not sure about Konowa. I might've changed my mind.

AA reads as VI.

KM/Deas/NS are all null.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dear Ser Arthur Dayne
Aren't you feeling like that youre bit spamming the board?

Not in the slightest.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

P-edit: You realize all your scum reads are centered on me bad while joh good?

Actually yes. Problem?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And yes I think the fact he's pushing on it is bad

Really, mehdi? This reads as "pushing" to you?

i will answer after you answer first. since it is my question.

This is me directing the Vig this way. Please please please please.

Your reading comprehension is atrocious. I will say this once more before I give up and shoot myself.

Don't do that;
1) we're directing the Vig to ArcAngel9,

Or more like joking about VI? B/c trust me if Vi wants to PUSH something it wouldn't look close to that.

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but do you think all of emp's wagon is town (well excluding me)?

MoI read slight scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes it does. Unless you find Vi to always be serious which I don't.

Soooo.....

you're proving my point?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why do I have feeling that AA is a She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (for the sake of less confusion, BabyBlue) alt?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@SAD, so you think Vi is always serious?

I'm

saying she wasn't serious, and the fact that you chose to focus on what she said and take it with a grain of salt is scummy.

When did we change sides?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well the core problem is you find it a "push", and choosing to focus on it.

When it's really joking.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And the people who voted you like

VI

, Tammy, Arthur

Oh shit shit's going down.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD answering me on tammy I'd think matters more then Vi being called something else.

Tammy is town though? And she didn't really attack Vi about it? You seemed to just take it up and try to blow it up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well she

didn't

get a townread on Vi because of the vig thing either?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

P-edit: She gave that as a reason for Vi town. Look at her wall when she started posting again near the end.

Can you please quote it?

Because I don't see her mentioning Vi at all, nvm say she's town because of the vig.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Woops I saw that first one but didn't see the second.

And that's not that drastic as you make it out to be? At not really comparable to your extreme?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lolzee.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Only thing made me worry was his high activity, since mafia usually avoids it, especially at first day

See Black Flag.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey look I read an MoI wall (okay fine I read half of it and skimmed the rest).

@Ser Arthur – please link me to your common games with Vi. I need to see evidence that you think Vi’s playstyle (especially Day 1) is to be heavy-handed and rule the Town. Also why do you think Vi asking for the Vig to shoot AA was in any way not serious? It is a logical policy shot coming from Vi who understands that drawing a Vig role has a tendancy to make even the smartest player stupid (see EBHOBANWOOF).

I haven't really had any direct games with Vi? (At least, not that I remember). But I'm more like that stalker who stalks people. And when did I say Vi is a "heavy-handed player who rules the town"? I'm stating that the "please vig AA" is the general reaction to AA's posts, but that does not mean it has to be taken by a grain of salt like mehdi took it.

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Only thing made me worry was his high activity, since mafia usually avoids it, especially at first day

See Black Flag.

I'll take a look when I have more time, thanks.

(for reference Mehdi (hydraing with OS) was a high activity player who turned out to be scum).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This is something I am already aware of, and I wish others also should consider the fact that we still half way through the Day 1 phase and we have got good amount of time for scum hunting. And am not rushing in voting or so, and i doing scumting in a traditional way just asking around and waiting to see if someone stumble up on so that i can take it from there. It shouldn't be hard for town to see whats i am trying to do here..

So why can't you be doing the same exact thing as scum?

Do you think scum just wobble in the thread and make themselves obv or something?

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Johhog is town too. His interaction with Mehdi and general content tells me so.

What about his interactions makes you think he's town?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hi Vi do you have any actual thoughts on the game?

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Why is Baby chainsawing harder then Leatherface?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vi same thing I asked before can you explain why you're currently voting SAD?

Because I haven't moved my vote from him. Would you like for me to move my vote?

You voted him while talking to maestro on voting you is bad so I thought the lack of vote on maestro meant some more reasoning for voting SAD. I'm curious what that is.

I decline.

Unvote: Ser Arthur Dayne
Vote: Mehdi2277

(L-6)

Please discuss your vote on Mehdi Vi because it's been camped there forever and you have not mentioned anything about the growing wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

As for tammy I mainly wanted to hear her say something beyond we have time left for the unvote.

...for example?

Pedit: Hey loosie.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

P-edit: Arthur forget this:

Medhi is Today's lynch. You're welcome to make your vote less throwaway anytime now.

That does nothing at all. MENTIONING by addressing why he think you're suspicious.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

...you were scum that game and Kanye explicitly said he had no knowledge of your scum-game. Are you even serious right now?

Lmao.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Shamrock2277,

Artemis Fowl, Mafia, Seeking Scum / 1-shot Precocious Genius / 1-shot Butler

~ Mod-color removed. ~ Zar.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(except you weren't town?)

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._.

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It was the most recent mention of me asking questions a lot as a thing I do as town. Whether I was town or not doesn't change that.

Do you actually hear your logic...

"I'm town by ____ b/c a person said I was town because of it. Nvm if I WAS actually town or not."

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What's that?

Is that the grasping at straws I hear?

(seriously though, you're really cracking).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay mehdi what's your read on every person in the game with a reason please.

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Quick replies being, from my wagon vi and

joh I think are scum

(although that isn't connected to the wagon too much). SAD and tammy I think are town. Kon meh. Can't remember who else

And quick lynch = easy target since if you're pushing someone as scum it's likely for a lynch and easy kind of shows you think it won't take too much time or won't be too hard.

Town (S to W) -> Empire, Baby, MoI, AA, Tammy, | SAD, snow, rofl, Deas,

Joh

Null (most to least town leaning) - King, NS, Kon,
Scum - Vi

Did I miss somewhere?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also why is Vi a scumread (might I mention your only)? I mean beyond that one line "explanation" where you voted him.

What do you think about KM's reads?

Why is Deas weak town?

Why is Snow weak town?

Is your townread of Baby really that strong?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well that's not saying it you think Joh is TOWN, but basically either it just makes him a weaker scumread than Vi or a reason enough to unvote him (like you did) for now.

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(lol Tammy- 85.5 me and you vs Zar)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Did I mention Konowa is scum too?

Yea, he is.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mehdi does it honestly make a difference if there is an "intent to hammer" or not? I really hate that b/c it serves no purpose whatsoever you're at L-1 claim or you're getting lynched regardless.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vi as scum will bus with no remorse.

Hmm, so would you categorize the attack on AA right away (with the vig) as possibly early bussing, or does that read more of a casual thing?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think the main vi scum tell looking at it is me and AA are the only scum reads he's ever given during this phase

That's a little hypocritical, coming from someone with only one scumread?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Meh, I'm tired of this dance.

Vote 2: Mehdi

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So I'm not a double voter

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why is Baby chainsawing harder then Leatherface?

Since when is defending town from poor and scummy attacks chainsawing?

Interesting...

And why are you so confident Mehdi is town?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay,

what if he were to flip scum?

Where would you go from there?

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Link to this please … I don’t think it was me in either of our common games.

Why did you claim before someone stated intent to hammer? Ugh you fucking twit.

Yea but that was majiffy.

In a newbie game.

Where everyone lives in a perfect bubble.

And it was majiffy.

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So I'm not a double voter

And what was the intent of that then since I don't think I'd ever have fully believed it (plus I prefer to act town after being really hammered for fun as scum)?

I was obv trying to test if I'm a hidden double voter or not?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

rofl if you're referring to NS's hammer intent for if I'm not lynched sure I'm vanilla.

Lynch ahoy.

(It took like 3 days of dancing for you to claim VT ._.)

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Vi (3): DeasVail, ArcAngel9, Mehdi2277
ArcAngel9 (1): Kingmaker
Empire (1): MagnaOfIllusion
Johhog (1): Baby Spice

Not Voting (2): Tammy, Nobody Special

What. Are. You. People. Doing.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(tbh I do have a feeling that mehdi might flip town but I've been tricked by mehdi's "honesty" ones, so *shrug*. Not that another wagon has the momentum to grow but etc.)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

*head*

*desk*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tbh I want Baby's head either way.

Which is rather surprising, but eh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry for not being here earlier.

Vote: Mehdi

YOU'RE MY HERO BABY.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: MoI

This is happening.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw this is from last night:

Town (S->W): Johhog, Tammy, Empire, SnowStorm, roflcopter,

Vi

,

ArcAngel9

, DeasVail

Scum (S->W): Baby Spice, Nobody Special, MagnaofIllusion, Konowa, Kingmaker

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Put bracket's between Spice, NS, and MoI. They're on the same level.

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Proddodge

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

V/LA till Thursday

My schedule is too hectic right now to dedicate to a game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Happy birthday Empire.

Welcome to the madness AA.

Vote. Nobody Special

.

Unvote
Vote Johhog

Johhog, you seem to be extreemly focused on one point and ignoring the second point that Mehdi mentioned in that post 75.

Medhi, could you repeat or elaborate on what you didn't like about Joh's post?

Lol. That is so funny Johhog.

Vote Johhog

Not only did you have the worst, most scummy vote on an obv town wagon that flipped town, you immediatly vote the person who pointed out how scummy your vote was the next day.

lol

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I like how you didn't vote anyone but Joh outside of RVS and you're saying my voting pattern sucks...

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Hi.

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oh fuck.

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Aww DGB, I thought we were cool

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.....

Yet?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yea, I also wanted to ask about the NS-townread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nooo DGB I thought we were cool

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why did I get prodded, I could've sworn I posted last night <_<

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still have to read day 1, but I'm fully committed to the death of DGB's slot after her interaction with you. That whole flipout to me reads as a terrible excuse to not actually address questions you posed to her. I can't comprehend how any of that comes from someone who legitimately feels someone's been rude to them/disrespected... I can't even see where anything you said could even have come across that way.

DGB isn't the kind of person to feel "threatened" or "pressured" enough by that question to just replace out...

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I can get on a Baby Spice wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Baby Spice, SnowStorm, and rofl are scumreads.

Vote: Baby Spice

Eh, I don't know, these seem like easy targets to focus on, which is actually what's concerning me about voting Baby Spice. Eh, considering what this slot has gone through, I'd also be willing to vote for Nacho.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

hey look, baby spice was scum

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i won't lie, that nacho lynch wasn't horrible, but there were still some better lynches

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Zach

Will read some stuff (prob later) but, yea, that's a good place to put my vote for now.

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in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.

This is prob the closest thing to a crumb upon a glance (I think Empire already said this though).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can see a SS-Zach-Baby team.

Though the setup also prob has an SK (though no SK would prob shoot Baby) or a traitor or something.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay, I lied. I got sucked into The Wire tonight

I'm trying to finish season 1 before Faraday's game begins

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry been busy last few days. Catching up tomorrow morning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote count right now is 3/3 between Zach/SS, right?:

Zachrulez (3): Ser Arthur Dayne, Konowa, SnowStorm
SnowStorm (3): Zachrulez, DeasVail, Johhog

Tammy, who do you prefer more right now? As my strongest townread, I'm leaning a lot on your thoughts

(Personally though, as everyone can see, I currently prefer Zach)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lol I'm too good.

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NS is town btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Or at least not Baby Spice-Zach aligned).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm...Arthur can you explain the ns town? There were a couple things I though pointed towards them being partnered.

He broke the 3-3 with a vote on Zach.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw this is from last night:

Town (S->W): Johhog, Tammy, Empire, SnowStorm,

roflcopter

,

Vi

,

ArcAngel9

, DeasVail

Scum (S->W):

Baby Spice

,

Nobody Special

TOWN (I think?),

MagnaofIllusion

, Konowa,

Kingmaker

We have a winner!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Okay I guess DV can still be scum? But right now it's Konowa -> DV -> SS -> NS for me)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm a TV

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh...

I thought that was a joke...

Thanks for clarifying...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

game's a town

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

<_<

>_>

I was wanting it to say "game's a town win no matter what" anyway, but you ruined it by saying something different!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

nothing is really certain about tomorrow

Umm, what can happen in a pool of VTs and a vig out of shots

Tbh DV is reading very scummy recently. His posts read so very desperate.

Pedit: Hey Empire we quoted the same part BFFs <3

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Meh, I'll make a decision some time tomorrow I guess. Would really love to hear Arthur's thoughts on this.

Deep down, I want NS to be scum, because it means I called the whole team correct:

Btw this is from last night:

Town (S->W): Johhog, Tammy, Empire, SnowStorm, roflcopter,

Vi

,

ArcAngel9

, DeasVail

Scum (S->W): Baby Spice, Nobody Special, MagnaofIllusion, Konowa, Kingmaker

Other than that, this is a semi-prod-doge.

(I mean, can we see some blood >_> There is literally nothing that can make us lose this. Lynch one of {DV, NS}, then lynch the other, then lynch Konowa in LyLo, or possibly Tammy if she's still alive <----- Totally a joke )

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

She's scum here. I feel like I'm tunneling. DV is starting to feel town now. OMG I hate this game sometimes.

So, it's that awkward moment now when posts start to become really forced....

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hold on a sec. Are we going on the assumption that there's only one scum left?

So, it's that awkward moment now when posts start to become really forced....

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

NS, only reason for a gunsmith to be in the game is if Snow is town.

This.

Gunsmith is a bit weaker than a cop because there is a vig out there.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean the scum can have a limited doc to protect against the vig + not get investigated by the gunsmith, but eh.

(It doesn't really matter anyway?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Aww, two games ending for me. I feel game-less D:

Though this game was kinda prolonged unnecessarily

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

.....Was NS thinking Tammy was scum genuine or trolling?