NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Johhog]

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne
You can't trust a pseudo-knight in this setting.

[Johhog]

UNVOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne
VOTE: Empire

Blatant opportunism.

[Johhog]

@Empire: Have you ever played with NS before?

[Johhog]

VOTE: Mehdi

He just gives me a bad feeling. I also don't like his Empire vote. Well, I don't really like any of the Empire votes, but this one just seemed too weird.

Snow similar to Emp's question want to clarify the bad feeling?

Emp NS goes with thinking slightly mean -> scummy which while that doesn't work, but isn't a scum tell.

NS do you still like your kon vote?

Vi same thing I asked before can you explain why you're currently voting SAD?

UNVOTE: Emp What he's posted at 5 votes looks fine and lacks apathy. VOTE: Joh partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question (end of post 35) and of the votes on emp I like his least.

Guess what, dipshit. I haven't posted since post 35. You sail up high on my suspect list from that post alone. But I can answer your question, since I'm a nice guy and all. NS is an odd player. No offence, but it's well-known that he's an easy target early on. That's also why I asked if Empire had played with NS before.

One more question, Empire. Were you aware that NS is considered an easy target?

[Johhog]

Joh it doesn't really make a difference when you last posted.

VOTE: Joh

partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question (end of post 35)

and of the votes on emp I like his least.

So you're saying you lied then?

[Johhog]

There is a contradiction. You're voting me because I didn't answer your question, I didn't have the opportunity to answer the question (and less than a day passed between your question and your vote).

PEdit: Am I only allowed to have one suspect? You're one of my highest scumspects, but I suspect Empire more. Therefore my vote stands.

[Johhog]

Since I think a contradiction would be a much bigger scum tell then being opportunistic (which I've responded to without getting a comment on how emp actually planned to quick lynch NS).

Unless you think the question was me having a town tell on you, I asked because I it found scummy how emp made sense with opportunistic. After answering it I still think that holds true.

You can't generalise like that. Some contradictions might be worse, some might be less severe. This one is not very serious, but you come across as trying hard to find reasons for a vote.

And really, you fail at explaining this away. You voted me before I had a chance to answer your question. If you had voted me in the same post as when you asked me the question, or if you had voted me after my answer, that would've been one thing. Now, you asked the question, made it look like you waited for an answer and then you voted me before I answered anyway, thereby revealing that you didn't care about my answer and just wanted to vote me.

[Johhog]

You're the one who just said you could have multiple suspects. That was a reason to vote you. Another came which was Emp seemed like a bad lynch. Together I found you worst.

And I disagree that any contradiction is that weak of a scum tell.

You still fail to make any sense at all. It was one reason to vote me? It shouldn't have held any weight at all. I didn't have the time to answer it. YOU-VOTED-BEFORE-I-POSTED-AND-COULD-ANSWER. Is it that hard to understand?

I still believe that Empire's opportunism was a stronger scum tell but you just dropped another one, you're afraid of manning up and defending your reasoning.

UNVOTE: Empire
VOTE: Mehdi2277

[Johhog]

Your reading comprehension is atrocious. I will say this once more before I give up and shoot myself.

You claimed that one of the reasons for voting me was that I hadn't answered your question

. I know that you said that you have other reasons, but you said that was one reason. You're acting like I invented the whole thing but guess what? I have proof.

VOTE: Joh partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question

VOTE: Joh partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question

VOTE: Joh partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question

[Johhog]

partly since I haven't gotten a response to my question

since I haven't gotten a response

No, you can't! You can say "I suspect John because he was wrong in saying that Empire is opportunistic and I think he tried to show Empire in an unnecessarily bad light". You can't say "I suspect John, partly because he didn't answer my question"

when I didn't have time to answer your question

. You say that my response is scummy. Fine, think so. That's your opinion. But you can't say that you suspect me because I didn't answer your question when I did as soon as I got the chance.

PEdit: Vi, I'm not serious, however you managed to interpret my post as that. It's not like I'd vig myself (is that even possible?) over this.
I'm just fascinated (and frustrated) over how bad Mehdi is at reading.

[Johhog]

Generating a small gut scum read on Johhog for his reaction to a single vote from Mehdi – feels outsized to me.

Holy shit. It's not like I'm complaining about his vote on me (although I'd obviously prefer that he didn't vote me), it's that he's too proud to admit that part of his reasoning is faulty.

Anyway, what I really wanted to say was that it's only four days until deadline, for those that didn't notice the short deadlines.

[Johhog]

So you are complaining that his reasoning is faulty when that is Null since it is entirely believable that Mehdi-Town doesn't agree that his reasoning is faulty?

And you earn some further gut scum for the "Faux Town" posting - Mod made it more than clear in Sign-up thread and with Maestro's replacement that deadlines were short.

No, stop it really. Just read the thread. I already said I won't explain it again. ISO me or something.

Then your scum radar is hilariously off target. I didn't notice it myself, that's why I posted it.

[Johhog]

Ah, you continue to prove that you can't read me for shit. Nice.

And I'm a dick? I'm known for being outspoken, but a dick, really? Because you, along with Mehdi, seem to be illiterate?

Mehdi said that part of his reasoning for voting me was because I didn't answer some question, I didn't post between the question and the vote (and less than a day passed). What is it that's so hard to understand?

[Johhog]

if mehdi flips scum i want moi's head on a platter

Actually Mehdi flips scum and we can 1v1 as this looks very much like inside knowledge being put together to pre-emptively push a mislynch.

Don't be a dick.

[Johhog]

Fun fact. Johhog is still yet to address anything about Mehdi's vote on him except the timing point.

What is there to say? His only reasoning is that he "liked [my] vote the least".

[Johhog]

But wait, there's more! Baby Spice, you say that I haven't defended myself against Mehdi. When did he counter any points made against him?

And

why the fuck

are you defending Mehdi hardcore when you're not having a single original thought? Here's Baby Spice abridged in one quote for the scummer on the go. You can thank me later.

Medhi, could you repeat or elaborate on what you didn't like about Joh's post?

That quote says everything about Baby Spice, regrettably. It describes exactly how she chooses to sheep a player for no apparent reason instead of thinking. And it just hurts to look at. A bit like looking directly at the sun when it's in zenith.

Joh what's your read of emp? Is it the same as before?

Ugh, not really. I think he's one of the scummier here, but I'm kinda fighting against my gut here. Long story short, logic says he's scum, gut says town. Doesn't matter though, it's not like I'll have to worry about him until tomorrow anyway.

[Johhog]

Fun fact. Johhog is still yet to address anything about Mehdi's vote on him except the timing point.

What is there to say? His only reasoning is that he "liked [my] vote the least".

I really understand you.
Can you state reasons for voting Mehdi?

I got bad vibes already when he voted Empire, his reasoning was shit, and not kinda shit, just shit. He was all "yeah I don't agree with the reasons on why you guys vote Emp, but he should've been clearer that his vote on NS was a serious vote so I'll bw him anyway". Then he unvoted Emp and distanced himself from the wagon by instantly voting the, in his opinion, worst vote on the Empirewagon. That striked me as someone trying to save his own arse. Looking at it retrospectively, I have to say that's a towntell for Empire. I can see Mehdi opposing the wagon because he knows it might lead to a lynch if Empire reacts badly, it's short deadlines and all. The fact that his reasoning for voting me is shit doesn't make stuff better. I've already covered that, though. There's been some bits and pieces after that too, like when he said that he thought there had to be at least one scum on the Empirewagon, the very wagon he himself jumped on before jumping off it instantly.

And the people who voted you like

VI

, Tammy, Arthur

Oh shit shit's going down.

[Johhog]

So joh what are all my posts arguing with you? Whether you like the defense that is it and I find you being either dumb or just ignoring it to argue when I've repeatedly explained the main question thing you attacked me on. You still won't see that as viable and treat it like every time I argue with you is because I can't read.

Why do you suspect me then? Abridge it, for lazy fucks like me. If we suppose you actually have some reasons.

[Johhog]

A. That opportunistic seems weak and doubtful of a reason for emp scum and that was what you voted him for.
B. I think MoI is town and one reason for that is his death spec on me flipping scum. Didn't count tammy's vote as much in that wagon. SAD has been pushing the most even if it is on me. So what's left is my vote and yours and since I think one scum is on the wagon I think it's you. I asked if you changed reads on emp to see if you actually would think what does the wagon on him look (kind of curious how emp's walls don't look really town).
C. You're excessive inability to comprehend that me asking a question doesn't mean I need a response to vote you when the question was on something you did I found scummy.
D. The amount you reacted to the one vote from me and had to argue over it.

That's a nice list of bullshit, but you still fail to say

why

you suspect me. There's no inherent reasoning. Watch.

A. Why is it a weak reason? I'd say it's an unusually strong reason for page two. Empire knew that NS is considered an easy target. His vote came right after an awkward NS post. He saw his chance to start a wagon. You obviously disagree, but why do you disagree?

B. But why is there one scum on the wagon? You're just making things up by now. You have to, you know, actually have a reason to believe that.

C. That's just you failing to read. That would've been fine and dandy if you had voted me in the same post as where you asked your question. But now you waited with the vote and pretended that I had avoided the question, making up a bullshit reason.

D. I didn't argue about the vote until very recently (and I do believe one should react to votes). What I did argue about was your bullshit reason, that everyone except you and your lapdog Baby Spice realises is absolute bullshit. What is it that you don't understand? You said that you voted me partly because I didn't answer your question. I didn't have time to answer it. You could've just avoided mentioning it if you didn't mean it but now you're instead entangling yourself in a web of terrible excuses.

So who you think looks Townie for you?

Good question. I'd say that Konowa, SnowStorm, Dayne, Tammy and MoI looks townish. Dayne and Tammy looks earnest, MoI looks like his town self, SnowStorm too, I have no meta from Konowa but he's making a lot of sense.

[Johhog]

Picking the easy target now, aren't we? And is she really the right vote if you considered her null until now? You get a place on my suspect list.

[Johhog]

Joh, terribad vote and post with it. OMGUS with attitude. Insults (a personal pet peeve of mine), and strong focus on the weakest reason of Medhi's vote. But I've addresses this more earlier.

First of all, you have no clue what OMGUS means. I have solid reasoning, regardless if you agree with it or not.

Secondly, why is it bad?

Explain.

[Johhog]

Baby Spice is not looking good. Neither is Kingmaker. Empire is looking townier. And I'm getting this terrible feeling that ArcAngel is unreadable.

[Johhog]

Yup, MoI is probably town.

VOTE: Baby Spice

[Johhog]

Proddodge

[Johhog]

Less time than anticipated. I'll have to declare

V/LA until Friday/Saturday.

I believe I'll have time before that, but that is the worst case scenario.

[Johhog]

Johog, why is MoI town (549)?

Just gut. This feels like town-MoI. Not a very strong town read, I admit - but I'm not lynching even a weak town read on D2.

[Johhog]

and SAD. Haven't liked a single vote of his

Yeah, because that's a

great

reason to suspect someone.

[Johhog]

Before I ask anything else; DGB, are you serious?

[Johhog]

Before I ask anything else; DGB, are you serious?

What do you think?

I'd guess if I had an idea.

[Johhog]

You haven't read the thread yet, have you?

[Johhog]

Nononono. I absolutely refuse to see this as any kind of towntell at all. It could either be annoyed DGB (alignment-neutral) or, less likely, caught-and-bad-loser DGB (scum). I prefer to treat this as null though.

Having that said, I think DGB's short appearance was scummy in itself, as she even refused to read the thread, something you wouldn't do if you wanted to find scum.

So, uh, Baby Spice, DGB, those are my only real scum reads at the moment. I really think DeasVail is town, btw. Looks sincere. My former town read Konowa on the other hand is unusually unimpressive in this game. There's no shortage of posts from him, but folks, can any of you remember one of his posts?

[Johhog]

dear joh, konowa is town, deasvail is scum. love rofl

What do you think about Baby Spice?

[Johhog]

Mass prod.

[Johhog]

I'm OK with a Nacho lynch, would prefer a Baby Spice lynch. Not OK with a Zach lynch today, but I could switch over to Nacho at deadline if it's needed.

[Johhog]

VOTE: Konowa

He's been invisible in this game. Yesterday he preferred lynching Zach or Nacho while he distanced himself from Baby Spice slightly. At the same time he avoided putting pressure on her. He also have a bunch of nice and sure town reads ready to show, predictably without any reasoning. What he's been saying all game is "You're town. You're town too. You're scum". And that's why you'll most likely fail to remember a single post made by this guy.

[Johhog]

I agree with most of the first part, but the reads thing is not necessarily scummy.

Perhaps you're missing my point. It's not scummy in itself that he doesn't give reasons, that might as well be laziness. It's the fact that he continually does this that makes me suspect that he's doing it because he can't justify his reads.

[Johhog]

I've looked at your other games, earlier as well as ongoing, and you're never this quiet. And that, coupled with your interactions with Baby Spice is enough for me. I don't really have any great, sure scum reads after the demise of Baby Spice, so you're my best bet. Dayne, Tammy and DeasVail are all strong town reads. Empire and NS are both town. Zach is null. SS (that's a terrible abbreviation) is null-scum. You're scum.

[Johhog]

Remember guys, not a lot of time left. I'm very unconvinced about Zach. I think he's been townish so far, and so was MoI. Sure, there are some associative tells, but that's about it. SnowStorm and Konowa on the other hand...

[Johhog]

Guys, look at the deadline. We really have to avoid a no lynch here.

UNVOTE: Konowa
VOTE: SnowStorm

Next best suspect.

[Johhog]

FFS guys, 10 hours. I'll hammer this myself in a couple of hours if nobody else does it.

[Johhog]

Great job everyone. Gotta admit I was wrong about DV, I really got fooled there. Good play!