Micro 100: Nomination Mafia (Game over!)

[Wisdom]

Confirm.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: MattP
Oops, just referred.

[Wisdom]

And that makes me scum because...?

[Wisdom]

1) Because I felt like showing up.
2) Because you're scum.

[Wisdom]

Any reason he's scum other than meta?

[Wisdom]

jmo, why still no vote?

[Wisdom]

That's not a right reason, but it's the right person so it will suffice.

[Wisdom]

You know what, start with Wisdom

Your vote doesn't agree with what you're saying.

[Wisdom]

The Acting Method is most likely his partner by the way.

[Wisdom]

You are literally useless. Replace or start posting content

You're still not voting me.

[Wisdom]

I read that as "You're a lot harder to find reasons to push your mislynch so I'll stay on jmo".

[Wisdom]

Wanna vote anyone, chkflip?

[Wisdom]

If there isn't one scum between MattP and xRECKONERx then I'll quit mafia forever.

So you don't support this anymore?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, Matt just further confirmed he's scum.

[Wisdom]

What happened to you being 'positive' he's town?

[Wisdom]

Because read the rules.

[Wisdom]

Holy shit, you guys posted a lot.

VOTE: jmo16mla

He and MattP are the scumteam.

Wisdom: Your play in this game drastically differs from the only finished game I could find: town in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23499. Care to explain?

It was my first game. I am changing my play since then.

[Wisdom]

I am not, check again.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, that's the lynch Matt wants because you and TAM realized his plan. But yeah, change your vote to the wrong person again just like D1, it will surely help.

[Wisdom]

I did not agree that I'm not posting content in this game. I said that I'm not playing differently in my other ongoing games right now.

And yes, I adjust my play to the rest of the players, and I currently feel this is the better play for me given some elements like Matt's spamming.

[Wisdom]

I appreciate your scumhunting and it makes me confirm my townread, but I am not scum.

I don't feel like posting reasons or talking too much in this game. MattP will probably discredit everything, then claim he's drunk and didn't mean half of it. I am still contributing in my way.

In any case, lynch me D3 if you want, but don't let your false read on me misguide you now. jmo is scum.

Pedit: Yeah that's what I mean. Don't.

[Wisdom]

The best thing I can do is play the way I want. If you want to mislynch once more following your false reads, fine. I am not eligible to be voted, so I don't worry about myself right now.

[Wisdom]

It will, for scum.

[Wisdom]

Awesome, all that's left is jmo to hammer.

[Wisdom]

If it's terrible, why do you vote the same person as him?

[Wisdom]

@Reckoner
True, orci is bad for getting misled and voting town instead of scum. However he's bad town, not scum.
And that makes you bad too.

Since you like to evaluate reasonings, go and read jmo's reasonings for his reads and his votes.

[Wisdom]

@orcinus
The last line of what you quoted already contains a part of my reasoning.

[Wisdom]

@orcinus
The last line

of what you quoted

already contains a part of my reasoning.

[Wisdom]

Hey jmo, if you were scum, would you nominate yourself?

[Wisdom]

Yes. Also:

TAM makes the same argument I thought of after I posted.

If someone stay off the block for so long, they would probably be scum.

If this is your belief, you

would

nominate yourself. Therefore you're lying.

[Wisdom]

Am I winning the competition yet?

[Wisdom]

That was not lying, you saying "No, I wouldn't nominate myself" is lying. Based on that belief, you would.

[Wisdom]

Do you think that "strong townies" would be nominated? Isn't it more likely that scummy-looking ones would?

[Wisdom]

If your case it true, that scum would nominate the scummy, why isn't Matt nominated then?

Because he's not scummy town. He's scum.

Have you made any ground with your questions?

Yes, you're still scum.

[Wisdom]

I have no intention of helping you appear town.

[Wisdom]

Obviously.

[Wisdom]

Have you never seen scum hardbus on D1?

[Wisdom]

Matt, hammer jmo and you'll look less scummy.

[Wisdom]

jmo, Reck and I will not be voting you ever.

I believe Reck is a different player than you and you have no say in what he does and what he doesn't.
You keep buddying left and right, but you're not saving your partner this day.

[Wisdom]

Haha,

I

am trying to control Reck? Right.

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

jmo is scum, and so are you.

[Wisdom]

True, if Matt somehow isn't scum then Reck should be jmo's partner.

But really seeing him manipulate the whole town, planning future lynches, pulling 180s on his reads.. leaves me with few doubts.

[Wisdom]

zzz

Okay I think I'll hammer TAM so we can move on. Not sure if Reck's vote counted though.

[Wisdom]

jmo, who do you think is scum right now and why?

[Wisdom]

How does me telling Matt to hammer make me scum?

Anything else on Reck other than lurking?

[Wisdom]

Town keep pressure in their reads they don't let them get out of being scummy.

That would have a point if he actually did it and then I said that he doesn't look scummy anymore. The fact I gave him an "out" from scuminess meant to test what he will do; it's a town move in fact. You're implying I have backed down from my reads yet I haven't done that anywhere; I still think both of you are scum.

[Wisdom]

I'm calling it what it is.

[Wisdom]

It was not something questionable, and it still isn't a legit reason to call me scum. Town confident in their reads want people hammered just as much as scum.

In other news, Matt didn't call me scum because of that.

[Wisdom]

Reck do your vote on TAM properly just in case.

[Wisdom]

Okay, I'll hammer sometime tomorrow.

[Wisdom]

So am I, but you need to convince the others to vote jmo if you wanna live.

[Wisdom]

Also, decide please. You said earlier that you think the scumteam is jmo/Matt. Now you say I'm scum.

Who do you think the scum are as of now?

[Wisdom]

If all of you are town, why do you think jmo is a better lynch than orcinus?

[Wisdom]

I cannot offer you a better option between Jmo and Orcinus because neither one seems scummy enough to be definite on.

I also think I can get more people to actually want an jmo lynch than an Orc lynch

So you can or you can't?

[Wisdom]

wisdom is lynched tomorrow end of story

You wish, scum.

[Wisdom]

Who said I'm trying to lynch TAM?

[Wisdom]

I get the feeling Matt and Reck are not scum together.

That means one of the nominated is scum with Matt or Reck.

Thoughts?

[Wisdom]

Can you?

[Wisdom]

This is what I gather from your interactions with each other. I could be wrong, of course.

[Wisdom]

This game<

Talk to us.

[Wisdom]

can i vote wisdom

I know that feeling, I also want to vote you. But alas.

[Wisdom]

Yeah... no.

[Wisdom]

Why I haven't hammered - I'm not sure TAM is scum while I'm fairly sure there's a scum in the nominated.

Why I "dodged" your question - Because I think what I said is sufficient.

[Wisdom]

In any world where I don't have to tell scum all of my thoughts.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

@Matt
I wait for your input regarding Reck. You said you wanted to see him less disinterested, there you have it.

If you want my opinion, I now believe that Reck is the one who buddied you and not vice versa, like I originally thought.

For his partner, I see TAM or orc.

[Wisdom]

Re-examine Reck's and Matt's play with what I said in mind, and make your own conclusions. I do not have to do everyone's homework.

But the fact you're posting this instead of doing the above means you probably aren't.

[Wisdom]

town*

[Wisdom]

Why I haven't hammered - I'm not sure TAM is scum while I'm fairly sure there's a scum in the nominated.

Why I "dodged" your question - Because I think what I said is sufficient.

Okay, I'll hammer sometime tomorrow.

TROLLOLOLOLOL

Obviously reaction elicitation - now read my 473, without blinders if possible.

[Wisdom]

Seriously?

[Wisdom]

Youre at L-1.

[Wisdom]

Now you flip flopped on your read of me

Flailing

My only read on you was when I said that you voting TAM is misled town and not scum, which was based on reads on others. If I change those reads, obviously things change.

And now I prefer orc than TAM.

VOTE: orcinus

[Wisdom]

Yep, the townread that I had for the reasons stated above.

[Wisdom]

Orc please, you're just butthurt because a bunch of people decided that you were a better lynch than me.

I don't see why they didn't go after jmo... you may keep doing scummy things but he's sure to confirm alignments.

I voted orc, Matt voted jmo.

[Wisdom]

Back on TAM please

I still think orc is more likely to be Reck's partner.

[Wisdom]

jmo, I'll repeat, talk to us. Your last content post was #420, and you have done 5 fluffposts since that.

[Wisdom]

The game is in the twiddle our thumbs phase where we just sit and point fingers. We have no evidence untill we see a flip.

If you want to see a flip, why aren't you voting anyone?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jmo16mla

We will see

your

flip then.

[Wisdom]

Matt, why didnt jmo-scum vote TAM though?

[Wisdom]

Good, he votes when pressure is on him; but why orcinus and not TAM?

[Wisdom]

Because he's trying to WIFOM the shit out of us so we go OMG WHY WOULD HE VOTE THE LESS POPULAR WAGON OMG HE MUST BE TOWN LETS LYNCH TAM

Uggh.

Fuck this day. Matt, could I possibly convince you to swap your vote back on TAM?

We've passed deadline, I think.

[Wisdom]

jmo is getting lynched because it's 2 tam 2 me 3 jmo

which really sucks because I don't believe in this lynch

Goddamnit. MATT I BELIEVE IN YOU

You have 1, not 2.

[Wisdom]

TAM, jmo was the lynch.

[Wisdom]

If you really are town, there's no doubt for me that it's Reck and Orcinus.

[Wisdom]

I'll tell you my thoughts again.. I don't get the feeling Matt AND Reck are scum, but that only one of them is. Between TAM and orcinus, I think it's orcinus. So for me it's either Reck and orcinus, or Matt and orcinus, with the former being more likely.

orcinus tell us why Matt isnt scum.

[Wisdom]

Yup, most likely.

[Wisdom]

Why just intent?

[Wisdom]

I love how everyone wanted to push me as a lynch today yet everyone forgot about me the moment Matt called me town.

[Wisdom]

TAM, #591 was terrible. Why did you follow orcinus so easily when there's a chance he's scum?

[Wisdom]

Right now it's 2 for Reck(TAM and orcinus) and 2 for TAM(Reck and Matt), right?

[Wisdom]

If that's the case and I didnt miscount and barring people trolling:

-orcinus could hammer TAM but he didnt.
-Matt could hammer Reck but he didnt.
- I could hammer either TAM or Reck but I didnt.

First of all, I'm confirmed town, because as scum I'd win by hammering either.
If orcinus is scum, it's with TAM. TAM/orc
If Matt is scum, it's with Reck. Matt/Reck
The other possible scumteam is TAM/Reck.

As such, the lynch will be TAM or Reck, no doubts about this.

[Wisdom]

I told Orc that I wanted to lynch you and would lynch Reck at first opportunity if he joined me. He said, He wanted Reck gone first and wouldn't go with my plan, so I find myself forced to go with his if I want a town win.

And what if orc was scum? Do you usually act like this in lylo?

[Wisdom]

Uh. I just noticed that orc's last time online was before Matt's vote on TAM. That means he can still hammer TAM, which in turn means Reck-orc is still possible.

[Wisdom]

Good. Then, barring trolls, my #616 stands.

[Wisdom]

The only certain thing is that if we lynch scum now, we've won this.
Why don't you want to hammer TAM? Explain why you think he is town and why Reck is scum.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom.

Hammer TAM.

no

[Wisdom]

TAM if you're town and Reck is scum you should feel bad for your switch to Reck and you have no right to say endgame that you were right and we were wrong that is all

Do you know how I read this post? Matt knows I'm having a hard time deciding who to hammer so he's trying to manipulate me into thinking this way. He wants me to hammer TAM based on that terrible voteswitch and think that if TAM is actually town, it's not my fault but TAM's for doing that.

I was about to hammer TAM but Matt's move has made me indecisive again.

[Wisdom]

What I know is that TAM/Reck makes little sense now. Reck knows he has lost if I hammer TAM, because as he himself said we can just lynch both partner candidates (Reck and orcinus) and win.

So it's Reck/Matt OR TAM/Orc. This means that on D2 we either had Reck/Matt nominating 3 townies, or had TAM/Orc nominating the both of them.

The latter might seem like a farfetched scumplay, but it did happen in a past Nomination game

which orcinus played in.

Then again, scum lost there so I don't know if orcinus would want to try that as scum. If we take into account that TAM would not nominate himself as scum because he reacts badly to pressure, the plan I see for scum is the following: orc was a fairly strong townread for everyone, TAM was on the scumdar of most people. They nominated both of themselves, and orc tried to bus TAM in order to further add to his towncred. Matt, Reck, jmo, myself, we all had our fair share of scummy moments so gaining the win after that would not be that impossible.

The first scenario seems more logical though; scum nominating only townies. Given the mislynch D1, the assured mislynch of D2 means lylo on D3; and both Matt and Reck are skilled enough to win the lylo.

There have been scummy moments for both Reck and TAM, and there have been town moments for both Matt and Orc, making this hard to decide. I do not buy Reck's ignorance of the mechanic on the beginning of D2. He's an experienced player, he has modded games, and he generally does not look like the one who would play a game without knowing the mechanics. On the other hand, I can see some posts where TAM has reacted badly to pressure, just like he himself said he does, and then there's this awful following-orcinus vote which I can not see coming from town. He was so confident Matt is scum, how does he drop the vote on him so easily and vote someone else? What if it was Matt-orcinus? Or Matt-Wisdom?

Tell me your thoughts and if you are town, don't be passive and let me decide, because I assure you I'll choose wrong.

[Wisdom]

Reck seems interested enough in me hammering TAM, while he has no chance of winning if they are partners.

[Wisdom]

no?

[Wisdom]

TAM, get here and post.

Matt, gimme a game of you in lylo as scum.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Reck
if I'm wrong, gratz scum. You can thank Matt and his attempts to manipulate me.

[Wisdom]

Well unless orc trolled us... We win by lynching TAM.

VOTE: matt

[Wisdom]

Ill laugh when it will be reck-orc and I'll have predicted both the scumteam and that someone trolled.

[Wisdom]

orc if you trolled and made me go through the hell of finishing lylo I'll hate you.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: TAM

[Wisdom]

well gg what? scum won?

[Wisdom]

phew. Double lylo for someone hating lylo is too much.
gg town, and sorry I was terrible at the beginning. I usually am way more active and pro-town.

[Wisdom]

jmo, use your vote more. Saying you want to see flips without voting anyone isn't too good.

[Wisdom]

One more game I tunnel on a townie D1. Sigh.

[Wisdom]

No need to argue, fellow townies. We won, and I'm sure we all learned something that will help us play better in the future.