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In post 71, MattP wrote:
And these two votes are fucking despicable but I know wisdom is the scum here so orcinus you can simmer in the embarrassment of casting a cheeky l-1 vote on page 3
Nah I had nowhere better to put the vote. Town vibes on the reaction. However, going to side with TAM that the opening posts were a bit...well, wacky, and probably anti-town in effect. Motivation is a different story and for now, my vote is fine where it is.
Chk just seems scummy I think, including in the last game I played with him (Yeah, I was actually banking more on RD-you than RD-Thor, but I had two lynches so whatevs). I don't read Chk as too scummy right now.
Chk: Are you still trying your new playstyle, and if so, stop.
MattP: Your 75 read of Chk makes up a meta for him (I bet scum Chk is blah blah blah), is this based on actual games or is this hypothetical?? Why wouldn't pressure on Chk do anything?
I'm not seeing Wisdom scum, somebody clarify.
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Is it possible that 36 was a joke and you're taking the post too seriously? I mean, it seemed like a casual remark to your silliness in the first few pages that you're blowing slightly out of proportion here.
That being said, the case on jmo is convincing. 63 looks like an attempt at currying town favor--active lurking+trying to look like contributing. I'm going to meta him tomorrow, but in the meantime:
VOTE: Jmo
Put your vote somewhere please?
How serious were posts 34+36?
Meta yourself.
Why do MattP's opening posts build him town cred? How is the reaction to pressure 'terrible'?
PPE: Yeah, that reads lean-scum to me for MattP then. Trying to build a defense of Chk based on imaginary meta? Nice try. I mean, you hypothesized a playstyle for Chk based on actually nothing and use that to defend him. Ew.
Still unsure as to how you're gauging Chk's response to pressure even though he's got none on him right now.
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In post 84, MattP wrote:I'm not reacting to any pressure on me because I'm worried about what's going to happen to me.
Just confirming that there's a missing 'not' in that sentence, yeah?
Also why is Wisdom scum help me. I'm seeing jmo/MattP/Chk as the scummy-looking ones here?We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 88, MattP wrote:It's not a META thing, it's a RELATIVE thing
I think he would be relatively more the ways I illustrated than he's beingwhy? See, this i my problem with your defense of Chk. You make up a scum playstyle for Chk, and say 'Oh look, he isn't doing blah blh, hence town'. It's a bit like me saying: 'Oh yeah, jmo would be hyperaggressive and post pictures of ponies as scum hence jmo is town'.
Do you really think I would pull shit out of my ass and openly admit it as scum? If I was scum I'd lie and say "yea I checked up his meta for a few mins"This entire bit is WIFOM, and I don't really like that you're trying to use 'oh yeah that was out of my ass but scum wouldn't do that, it's too obvious'.
Unless now I'm WIFOMING you and then woa look it doesn't matter now because you have no idea wtf I was thinking so let's move onI don't even understand this sentence.
pedit: where would the second "not" be?in 'I'm not worried about being lynched today.'
And wait you just said that chk doesn't look scummy to youNope. Chk looks scummy, but I don't have a scum-read on him because he looked scummy last game we were together in. I'm sort of leaning to your read of bad-town Chk, but he would look scummy to most people I think.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 97, MattP wrote:chk, I've never called reck's alignment wrong in a game. That's 3/3 games.
You think he would want you dead for that but me alive despite the same issue?
In post 100, MattP wrote:In post 98, chkflip wrote:Why would he want to lynch someone exactly like him right now? He'll get to you later if you aren't his partner.
You weren't on him at all before he attacked you
I disagreed with his read on you. We are of equal disagreement to him, especially at the time he targeted you
You, me, orcinus and reck are town and I'm damn positive
In post 99, jmo16mla wrote:already went over this. If you would stop raping the thread with your 100 posts that would be appreciated.
pedit; matt, what was "wrong" in your most recently quote of chk?
Wait, so let me get this straight, you complained and complained I wasn't giving you full reasoning for my scumread and when I do you complain I'm posting too much? You are so much fucking scum I am literally bewildered
To be truthful, I don't see where your reads are coming from, and I do think you're also posting too much. Could you consolidate all your shit into one post please? Your behavior is tantamount to spamming this thread. And do more posts like 81, that was nice. :3
Matt's use of meta as a defense is rather disconcerting because meta sucks anyways.
Chk 112 reads like scum chk trying to curry town favor. Starting to lean scum for me, especially when he says that he would be willing to hammer MattP. There's a lot of discussion that hasn't happened yet, and MattP is willing to supply it.
MattP: Stop using your playstyle as a reason for you to be an arrogant dick.
No actually I think MattP is actually town for this anger. It feels like jmo is insulting his pride as a good townie or something, so townie MattP would want to squish that in the dirt with evidence of Matt's skill. Scum wouldn't put themselves in a spotlight this much I think.
Oh wow I skipped over post 93. Yeah, Chk reading scum for me.
135: Matt, have you ever buddied people excessivley as scum? I do intend to meta you sometime tonight so answer truthfully.
137: Chk, is this case based on meta completely?
Matt, do you often invoke meta as a defense?
Yeah TAM is going to be that scum that slips under the radar and wins because I forget they're inthread and am getting distracted by people like MattP.
Reck, what's your opinion of Matt right now?
Chk owes me a question from post 80. TAM needs to contribute something--Matt, why is Wisdom scummier than TAM since I think that whatever reason Wisdom might seem scum might also apply to TAM?We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 137, chkflip wrote:
I'm not really sold on jmo-scum yet, though. I'll re-read the game later.
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Sorry guys we have to lynch somebody today.
That being said, fuck Chk and his intentionally anti-town playstyle.
Matt, my post needs replying to.
That being said, 192 is scum trying to set up a townie for lynch. VOTE: TAM (y)We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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Oh, Chk's flip doesn't make MattP town. Your vote does.
Scum in this game assume that putting scum on the chopping block 'clears' them or whatever because 'obviously scum wouldn't put themselves up there!'. Personally, I find MattP being off the block perfect evidence that he is town, and that scum is setting him up. If scum were to put MattP on the block today, the consensus among town would be 'no scum would ever put themselves on the block when they're that scummy' and MattP would be cleared. Matt is an experienced player, and he would know this.
The first person to use the 'off the block=scum' reasoning typically is scum themselves. Your third line is exactly the reasoning scum would use in this setup.
Sort of chuckling at the freudian slip in calling me the obvious town but okay.
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Wisdom: Your play in this game drastically differs from the only finished game I could find: town in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23499. Care to explain?
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In post 195, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Scum in this game assume that putting scum on the chopping block 'clears' them or whatever because 'obviously scum wouldn't put themselves up there!'. Personally, I find MattP being off the block perfect evidence that he is town, and that scum is setting him up. If scum were to put MattP on the block today, the consensus among town would be 'no scum would ever put themselves on the block when they're that scummy' and MattP would be cleared. Matt is an experienced player, and he would know this.
The first person to use the 'off the block=scum' reasoning typically is scum themselves. Your third line is exactly the reasoning scum would use in this setup.
I'm not willing to vote jmo either so yeah
These are the reasons that I am voting you. You could address them I suppose--that's what people normally do to cases on them. Add on, I suppose, the fact that I could use the same reasoning as you to say why you are scum. Because for me it's between you and jmo, and jmo is too convenient to be scum.
Your last sentence is once again a further example of you being scum, hoping to put himself on the block for towncred.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 199, jmo16mla wrote:TAM is playing a town game. I'm not seeing scum motivation in his posts. Lets stop with te WIFOMing but just saying, TAM makes the same argument I thought of after I posted. If someone stay off the block for so long, they would probably be scum.
Matt was already in deep shit with me and others, he obviously wouldn't put himself on the block today.
It would be too convenient for me to be scum because he already had a town read on me and Matt kept trying to push a lynch on me ALL day then hopped off for no reason to hammer chk.
I'm also not seeing how chk was playing a scummy game. But okay.
How is TAM playing a town game? Add some justification to your blind claims please.
Yeah I don't know what you're doing on the block. I'll figure it out.
You can read Matt and I's posts to see why chk was scummy. Reading=important skill!
So I take it jmo your vote is on me? :/We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 200, The Acting Method wrote:Again, Your entire case is basically a list of standard scum tells. Are you an alt by the way... because you sound too experienced with this set up to be a n00b.
But you do have a point at the end.
We'll just have to wait and see what the others think.
It's not a 'standard scum tell', since I made it up myself. Nice try to discredit my case.
I am not an alt (why do people keep thinking that I'm an alt?); my experience comes from the fact that I have one nomination game under my belt, found here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24126. I did fairly well in this game. Much of my basis on how scum would react in this setup is based on this game. I don't put much stock in meta myself, but yeah this is something that supports my reasoning.
Matt: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=17980
And come back and answer my damn questions when you're sober please.
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In post 208, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:And you're going to 153 in your next post or I promise my vote will be on you tomorrow.
MattP wrote:
Pls remind me in case I forget
Sigh...
If you wanted me to explain my case on TAM more, why didn't you ask me to? And what about the case needs more explaining? 198 is pretty solid I think, and if you had more questions about the case you should've asked me about it.
What about TAM gives you more of a town vibe than me?
I'm not quite sure what to make of Matt right now. I'm starting to maybe think we should've policy lynched him day 1.
212 is you digging a bigger hole for yourself. Firstly, I don't quite understand what you construe as a scumtell right now. I explained how your actions resonate with one of scum, and so I have no idea why you're saying that it's wrong. It's a 'tell' that I made up (I'm not even sure if I'm using the right term for it) because I think it makes sense from the scum perspective. Another version of this would be my hypothesis that in a nomination game, if scum is not being observed, then the block will always contain one scum or more. It makes most sense for scum to do this. I know i would.
If my case is weak, I'm really laughing at what you're calling your own case on me. But ultimately it doesn't matter. I'm not trying to convince you to vote yourself, so I don't know why you're saying stuff like "considering my case to have credit".
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TAM today baby, we can get jmo tomorrow.
I've previously said that I don't put stock in meta.
153 isn't commenting on MattP? Unlike you, I've actually asked him questions, not just spout blind reads. That point is null too.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 230, jmo16mla wrote:I'm not sheeping anyone?
jmo16mla wrote:My point exactly.^
Come up with an actual case on why I'm scum and stop regurgitating the reasoning of others. Do you have any original thoughts, jmo? Even a question or two to ask?
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TAM: What point? What first post? I dont' even know what 239 is saying.
Jmo: Yeah, my point is that you haven't said anything original yet, just buddied with TAM on why Im scum/TAM town. Can you come up with some original reasoning/questioning please?
Oh and in case you didn't notice 233 is directed at TAM.
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In post 245, The Acting Method wrote:Why thank you for noticing that I'm an anglophile.
However I really suggest you stop talking about yourself.
Orcinus, I'll get back to you when Matt stops cluttering so I can type a full response and say everything to make sense.
What the hell
Why wouldn't you just, y'know, *ignore* Matt? What does Matt spamming have to do with you responding to my points? Wouldn't it be more town behavior to keep useful conversation going even while Matt is spamming?We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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Oh right I think I get it now.
Jmo thinking TAM is town is based completely on meta instead of his actual behavior in game.
Ah. I suppose it's just my bad luck that TAM got to play a game with jmo and I didn't, lol.
This is terrible reasoning. Jmo, if you're going to rely on meta (which sucks goddamnit), why don't you read a TAM scum game? Do you know TAM's scum play? If you haven't seen both sides of the coin, why are you making a decision based on meta?
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PPE: TAM you see the 50 drunken posts anyways?
TAM: Opinions on jmo's behavior during this episode of Drunk Matt?
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Matt's drunkposting I'm just going to ignore when making my read of him. /However/, if he doesn't reply to 153 when he sobers up, I'm voting him without question.
Also, Matt: You believe scum jmo would put himself on the block?
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So let's examine your case on me.
Your original reason for voting me was that jmo couldn't be scum, so I'm the only reasonable vote for the day (197).In post 197, The Acting Method wrote:
I think you'll find if you look at my first post of this day I state quite clearly that this looks like an ALL town trio. So if I had to pick one of us for being scummy well, it's between you and jmo. It's too convient for jmo to be scum, but not too convienient for you to be scum out of the three.
After me pressuring you, you then freely admit that you have no caseIn post 229, The Acting Method wrote:And Orc, I freely admit I have no case, but I will say that the only thing that truly seperates us I think is the fact that I commented on MattP...
And then you go back on your word and say that jmo could be scummy in 268. And then say that I'm scummy because of my interaction with MAttP.
If you haven't noticed, I havn'et expressed an opinion on him, waiting for him to reply to my questions in 153. And I blatantly refuse to express such an opinion before my questions are answered. Thus, Matt is obviously not a strong town read for me, and so I don't see where the 'chumminess' comes from. If it's my willingness to crack jokes around with him, yes--I do like to have fun in these games, and Matt is a fun guy to joke around with. I don't see where the 'chumminess' is coming from.
Given that jmo being scum is not a possibility, why are you still voting me over jmo? You don't have a case on me aside from my interaction with Matt, and I've stated on several posts (233 is one) that I've asked him questions instead of spouting blind reads, and that if he doesn't answer the questions I'll lynch him tomorrow (208), and that I have a null read on him right now (220). Given that this concept of me buddying with matt is profoundly false, I don't think you have a reason to be voting me over jmo, especially since your original reason (jmo being town) is nullified by 268.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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Of course I was going to ask him to vote for you--because you are a scumread and I want you lynched. How is that buddying? It's me trying to push my reads. This isn't making sense.
Also, jmo/MattP would be the greatest bus in mafia history but whatever.
Nobody hammer jmo.
PPE: Oh wow, now matt votes my original scumread. Ugh.
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Your posts in other games have actual content, not the bullshit you're spouting in this game. Is there any reason you are choosing to play like this over your play in the newbie game? The latter is actually pro town play.
I'm so glad you agreed with me in saying your posts have no content. So now that you are aware of this, will you be playing to remedy this?
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Er, what?
So you feel like not posting content is somehow good for helping us find scum?
Yeah this is scum. As far as I see it, towns priority is to lynch scum. Scum's priority is to not be lynched. Wisdm's active lurk-esque play fits with the former.
And you are playing differently in your other games. You're pressuring reads with questions, not just putting blind reads out there. You're contributing. Not in this game though.
Also, your last paragraph sort of insinuates that your play is different in this one because you "adjust your play to the rest of the players", which contradicts your first paragraph. Can you at least try to look town?We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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You've did not post more than one line in this game before 8 posts ago. This is not true for your other games
Also clarifying: Wisdom's vote on Jmo isn't a bus. I'm going to revert to my original idea, that jmo was too easy a lynch for people like Wisdom to push today to be scum.
Reck you gotta post something pleaseWe are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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Ugh I meant latter, not former in 306.
Wisdom, the best thing you can do right now is to post reasons and talk more so the rest of us can gauge the reactions to what you say. If you say nothing, we have nothing to work with.
Tell me why jmo and mattp are scum, using minimal "because drunk" reasons for the latter.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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wait why
i gave my tmo case earlier, that obviously isn't all of it
Jmo sort of caught up with regards to scumminess but then Wisdom voting jmo made me want to lynch TAM instead
The two are basically the same level of scumminessWe are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 325, Wisdom wrote:@Reckoner
True, orci is bad for getting misled and voting town instead of scum. However he's bad town, not scum.
And that makes you bad too.
Since you like to evaluate reasonings, go and read jmo's reasonings for his reads and his votes.
Yeah and after that read the part where Wisdom explicitely refuses to give reasoning for his votes/reads because "that's how Wisdom plays".
Since you're posting more now I'm not too sure why you're doing this blind push of a read you have yet to give evidence on.We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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Oh my god the fact that you even bought up 190 as a defense
I hate you.
I hate you.
For making me throw my vote around but I'm trying not to it's just that aall of you are in this competition while you try to be more scummy than the other person
VOTE: JmoWe are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 334, Wisdom wrote:Yes. Also:
In post 199, jmo16mla wrote:TAM makes the same argument I thought of after I posted.If someone stay off the block for so long, they would probably be scum.
If this is your belief, youwouldnominate yourself. Therefore you're lying.
Yes, but here's Wisdom's point. You say you don't want to nominate yourself--but then you would be subject to this 'tell', so wouldn't you, out of a desire not to be lynched, nominate yourself?We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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In post 335, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I hate you.
For making me throw my vote around but I'm trying not to it's just that aall of you are in this competition where you try to be more scummy than the other personWe are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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183-187 is all reck derping.
But then again this is his first nomination game.
From 317: I'm actually thinking from this that TAM/JMO + Reck makes sense.
Also matt did you reply to 153 and why are you avoiding that postWe are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.- orcinus_theoriginal
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