Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[Majiffy]

Voided can I see a few recently completed scum games?

[Voidedmafia]

what is?

[pirate mollie]

Remind me again how bad of a scum player you think I am

? <-- this is a question I want answered.

^ loaded question

there is a presumption in it.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided can I see a few recently completed scum games?

Of mine?

They're in my wiki.

[Majiffy]

Remind me again how bad of a scum player you think I am

? <-- this is a question I want answered.

^ loaded question

there is a presumption in it.

Eh that's just Thor being condescending.

[pirate mollie]

Remind me again how bad of a scum player you think I am

? <-- this is a question I want answered.

^ loaded question

there is a presumption in it.

Eh that's just Thor being condescending.

borealis will you plz stop wking someone I am trying to get a read on tia? thor is a big boy he can take care of himself. he will either a) engage in honest discourse or b) dismiss everything I say and paint it as scumtells when they are not really scumtells and then later blame it on my terribad play.

[Voidedmafia]

But really, if you wanna look for scumgames the only recent one I have is the DDU one. The only other one that's closest is Open 409: Less Pressure, which is buried behind a string of, like, 10 towngames.

P-EDIT: Lolumad.

[Majiffy]

Voided, do you think Siv would make a strong or weak scum player?

p-edit: Yeah, but b) isn't an alignment tell for him, Mollie, that's just what he does.

[Human Destroyer]

I need to rethink this game before I post again

Hopefully will post in the next 2 hours

[Voidedmafia]

I...Couldn't tell you. Any game that I have been in with him is either ongoing or it's been awhile (or I just don't recall).

Plus, I'm not really that beholden to meta, not as a be-all, end-all thing to scumhunt.

[Majiffy]

What about RachMarie?

[pirate mollie]

Voided, do you think Siv would make a strong or weak scum player?

p-edit: Yeah, but b) isn't an alignment tell for him, Mollie, that's just what he does.

I am not aware that thor would paint what into what are scumtells into scumtells in fact I would strongly argue that he can tell the difference. and as you have pointed out his put downs are not necessarily alignment related and that is not what I am going after. jesus christ majiffy just let thor and I get each other sorted.

[Voidedmafia]

What about RachMarie?

I feel like she's decent enough, though I've barely played with her since said Open 409. I do happen to remember her more than Siv, though, so.

[Thor665]

and no I have not noticed where you have given adequate answers to my questions/assertions and that is why I keep pestering you about them.

No...you keep calling them *scumtells* because i "haven't".
And then i say "but I have, and you're dumb"
And then you go "baaaaaw" and suggest somehow I'm being mean for finding your posting terirble and drop hints that you also find *that* scummy.
Instead of maybe, y'know, isoing me?
Or, y'know, crazy thought, demanding I provide a post number to prove I've done what I've said I've done.

But you don't want to do that. You want to suggest I look scummy while not caring about finding answers.
Amirite?

the loaded question thing is a huge scumtell as you should know since you subbed in for me in a game where scum were dropping them left and right in lieu of actual dialogue.

1. Even if scum were, did I ever call that a scumtell from them?
2. My question wasn't loaded.

I am not sure if hd is town or not. he is not the one I am trying to get a read off of at the mo.

So it's page 17+ and you don't have any read on him (or my slot, apparently)?
What reads do you have?

Remind me again how bad of a scum player you think I am

? <-- this is a question I want answered.

^ loaded question

there is a presumption in it.

Oh gawdz.
Here's a clue - did you ever call me a bad scum player? Ever? Anywhere?
Here's my question spelled out for the slow in class, and is what the above question is really asking;

"Mollie, you appear to think that, when I'm scum, I would play really badly. Is this true, and if so, why do you have this idea in your head? If it is not true, then why are you suggesting the things I'm doing are scummy when the only way you're suggesting them in being scummy is if you think I am rather lackwitted scum unable to answer an accusation - which, as I believe from your experience with me, you would have no basis to believe."

You answered by calling my question scummily loaded and kind of weak backing off from opinion of my play skills and also not addressing how weak the accusations you're soft slapping me with are.

I like the way I phrased the question.

[Thor665]

Hey, Mollie, I just got some Deja vu' here.

i just asked you to explain how a scumtell works.
Try to do it this time.

[Majiffy]

I am not aware that thor would paint what into what are scumtells into scumtells in fact I would strongly argue that he can tell the difference. and as you have pointed out his put downs are not necessarily alignment related and that is not what I am going after. jesus christ majiffy just let thor and I get each other sorted.

MOMMY AND DADDY ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

[Voidedmafia]

Honestly much prefer a Mollie wagon now than I do an HD wagon, Thor.

Vote: Mollie

[Human Destroyer]

Alright screw rethinking it let's get back to where I was.

Explain the scum maneuvering behind either vote, or both?
Because this looks weak as hell.

It's not necessarily scum maneuvering, sometimes you just need to look for a lack of towniness.

P-Edit: Am I the only one that finds it amusing that everyone automatically assumes Thor is town?

[Human Destroyer]

Thor, I'll also answer your question with another question: Where's his town motivation for wagoning like he did?

[Voidedmafia]

Or everybody at least is willing to not lynch Thor today (not that I'm going to deny having a mild townread on him based on Mollie's bad pushing)

[Human Destroyer]

I still think his predecessor was scummy though

I like a JacobSavage lynch better though

[Voidedmafia]

544 is to 542, btw.

[pirate mollie]

No...you keep calling them *scumtells* because i "haven't".

what I am pointing out as scumtells are classic objective tells this is like what you learn in mafia 101.

And then i say "but I have, and you're dumb"
And then you go "baaaaaw" and suggest somehow I'm being mean for finding your posting terirble and drop hints that you also find *that* scummy.

wow. this is ironically the most accurate thing you have said this entire game.

Instead of maybe, y'know, isoing me?
Or, y'know, crazy thought, demanding I provide a post number to prove I've done what I've said I've done.

why would I need to iso you? but I will bite. point where you did answer them.

But you don't want to do that. You want to suggest I look scummy while not caring about finding answers.
Amirite?

I am interested in finding answers that is why I am persisting. I am sorry if this is frustrating to you but I need to get a read on you and this is how I do it. when you start to sound like the town thor that I am familiar with I will let you know.

1. Even if scum were, did I ever call that a scumtell from them?

no. it did it take so long for you to answer cos you had to go back to that game and look it up?

2. My question wasn't loaded.

yes it was.

So it's page 17+ and you don't have any read on him (or my slot, apparently)?
What reads do you have?

hd subbed in right before you. are you being serious with this line of thought.

Oh gawdz.
Here's a clue - did you ever call me a bad scum player? Ever? Anywhere?
Here's my question spelled out for the slow in class, and is what the above question is really asking;

"Mollie, you appear to think that, when I'm scum, I would play really badly. Is this true, and if so, why do you have this idea in your head? If it is not true, then why are you suggesting the things I'm doing are scummy when the only way you're suggesting them in being scummy is if you think I am rather lackwitted scum unable to answer an accusation - which, as I believe from your experience with me, you would have no basis to believe."

You answered by calling my question scummily loaded and kind of weak backing off from opinion of my play skills and also not addressing how weak the accusations you're soft slapping me with are.

1) why would I call you a bad player when I have not played with you when you were scum?
2) I don't think you are playing badly now if you are scum. are you saying that you are more likely to drop classic objective scumtells when you are town? if so I can adjust.

I like the way I phrased the question.

okay well I will put it in your spreadsheet that you not only like loaded questions but grammatically incorrect ones as well.

*waits for meltdown*

[pirate mollie]

Hey, Mollie, I just got some Deja vu' here.

i just asked you to explain how a scumtell works.
Try to do it this time.

there objective scumtells and relative ones. you are dropping a bunch of classic ones but town can do this too. what I am trying to discern is whether or not it is a relative town tell of yours. why is this bothering you?

[Majiffy]

P-Edit: Am I the only one that finds it amusing that everyone automatically assumes Thor is town?

No one is doing that. We're treating him like that thing you really should go to the doctor's for but you really don't want to just in case the doctor says you're going to die in 6 months.