NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[PeregrineV]

Vote: theunderachivers

I want to see if this hydra rips it's own head off.

[PeregrineV]

+1 to borkjerfkin's avatar

@Herobrine-Rob- I've played with you town a few times. You have any scum game links? Thx!

[PeregrineV]

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

Vote: Bitmap

Om hasn't posted in here, nor confirmed, and isn't a hydra.

[PeregrineV]

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

Vote: Bitmap

Om hasn't posted in here, nor confirmed, and isn't a hydra.

/headdesk

I mean I've played with Om and even hydra'd with him in many previous games. He fluff posts as town. I asked Boner what makes this situation so unique.

Boner Police has never said a word about Om.

[PeregrineV]

Bitmap just went from calling me GLEAMING TOWN to SCUM because of "one sloppy post"

Because you're trying to force a wagon really hard on a weak town player.

Are you the "weak town player" in question?

[PeregrineV]

I have no friends, family, or even a pet. Mafia is all I have keeping me alive, it's a sad story

Get some girl scout cookies. They make me happy.

I am selling Girl Scout cookies. They are delicious, and in a month your can't buy them anymore.

[PeregrineV]

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

Vote: Bitmap

Om hasn't posted in here, nor confirmed, and isn't a hydra.

Cool, add self-meta/AtE to your slip on bussing your fellow scum.

pedit: No, Texas.

[PeregrineV]

Wait, why are you quoting yourself?

So you have no trouble finding my entire case about why you are scum in one easy-to-find post.

[PeregrineV]

A Wise Man once said "unto us a child is born", but a worldly-wise man once said that "whenever I feel sad, I stop feeling sad and feel awesome instead". Really, my friend, which would you rather be?

Not sure if mindless flavor or clever jab at religion...

Oops.

[PeregrineV]

Okay I forgot everything I just read.
MattP tell me who to vote.

Bitmap says you scummy.

You scum?

[PeregrineV]

Wait, when did I say Om was scummy?

Shit, you're right. You never said that. Better review.

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

Vote: Bitmap

Om hasn't posted in here, nor confirmed, and isn't a hydra.

/headdesk

I mean I've played with Om and even hydra'd with him in many previous games. He fluff posts as town. I asked Boner what makes this situation so unique.

1. Om had no posted yet.
2. Boner smacking on Hero.
3. You say Om fluff posts all the time, so you are trying to defend a player that hasn't posted against a non-existent attack.
4. I point out that Om hadn't posted, that he did not have a green check in the modlist, and was not a hydra (Hero), the only person Boner was talking about.
5. You smash your head against the desk, and continue to defend Om as town, while simultaneously calling his non-existent posts fluffy, which is usually calling them scummy.

Conclusion: you got your scum partners confused after your brief discussion in the QT, and were trying to defend Om thinking he was being attacked, when it was your other buddy Hero being attacked.

If you want to claim masons, you better do it fast. Otherwise, you three will be confirmed scum.

[PeregrineV]

Conclusion: you got your scum partners confused after your brief discussion in the QT, and were trying to defend Om thinking he was being attacked, when it was your other buddy Hero being attacked.

Except it was pretty clear that he was trying to ask that if I've done it before then why was Hero being attacked for it. It doesn't matter whether or not I had posted since it was based on my meta and not my presence in this game, since when I fluff I tend not to get attacked for it.
If anything it's him and Hero together and him throwing me under the bus. But I doubt that, Hero probably isn't scum.

So, why did Bitmap mention you specifically?

Spoiler: Posts that started it all

He knows a lot of people if he just started playing here recently

A lot of people revolve around people who they played before and enjoy playing with.

Vifam read on Herobrine?

The first post is just some introduction and the second post is just him having fun

Hey Boner, Om does this sort of shit all the time with the fluff posting. What makes this so scummy?

[PeregrineV]

Come on, PerV. You're better than tha-- PAHAHAHAHAHA. Who am I kidding?

Not a fan of people saying "I'm town." Prove it.

I see what you did there...

[PeregrineV]

Hmm... bitmap could be scum with a PR, and chk is trying to keep him alive.

Also, I've played with rob before, I replaced into a scum team that had been owned to shit by a very competent rob. I expect great things from rob.

Yeah, the Rob scum meta is open and newbie games, so I'm mostly going to expect his town game (mini & large).

[PeregrineV]

PV, you're wrong

I was on Hero for stupid posting

Bitmap said that Om stupid posts all the time but I don't think that's scummy, COMPARED to Hero who I am on

Idk why he made that comparison, it was fuckin weird, but your "slip" theory is wrong

So why would Bitmap mention how Om has stupid posts that you don't think are scummy when Om hasn't even posted in the game for you to find his posts anything?

[PeregrineV]

So why would Bitmap mention how Om has stupid posts that you don't think are scummy when Om hasn't even posted in the game for you to find his posts anything?

I've been in games with Om and Bitmap together before and have auto-towned Om for his silly behavior

Here I did the opposite

So he was referring to those other games

Fine.

Unvote.

[PeregrineV]

Oh yeah, you were in that game too peregrine... weren't you really lurky, like, the opposite of what you are right now?

I don't think so. My reads sucked donkey dick. I was all over Rob and Rofl. The only person I feel I got right was Taz.

And posting comes when I have time. Now, I got time.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alien_Penguin

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alien_Penguin

[PeregrineV]

I like that vote. Explain it

There is actually enough shit going on that questions to "stir discussion" aren't really needed. yet, those are the type Penguin asked.
And talking about joining the wagons but not anything about the merits of said wagons, or even why he joined.

And posting comes when I have time. Now, I got time.

k fair enough. Rob was awesome though, the only scum he didn't sniff out was me, and that was only because I missed all the d1 crap and the guy I replaced said next to nothing, giving me some hope. So yeah, I expect rob to have this wrapped up for us by the time I get out of bed.

pedit - that inspired an ISO... two posts... impressive... why's he scum?

Yeah, I was super wary of Rob our next game, bur realized I was just reading his style as scummy. So I'm expecting awesomeness too from him.

His two posts are hollow and bad.

[PeregrineV]

PV: I thought you were going for that. Ok good but I'm not voting there.[/quote[
You should- it tastes like chicken.

Also if it's not evident I'm very strongly townhunting

PoE works, so go for it.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:

PV: I thought you were going for that. Ok good but I'm not voting there.

You should- it tastes like chicken.

Also if it's not evident I'm very strongly townhunting

PoE works, so go for it.

[PeregrineV]

So BonerPolice fake claimed day cop to get a reaction out of Om? Talent.

But I'm not sure I know what to think of Bitmap's fake-claim day vig... Fake claiming day vig is really stupid, especially there.

These are not claims in the traditional sense. They are more like statements. Believe them at your own risk.

[PeregrineV]

Back on page 20, catching up today.

[PeregrineV]

Ok caught up.

@Arc- You have any scum games you can link to? Wiki is empty.
Also, any games you replaced into too.

The UN walls seemed out of place. But so does his earlier inactivity.

No vote for now, will do more isos first.

[PeregrineV]

Off topic, but how do you even modify a wiki anyways? Make an account there?

I believe so.

[PeregrineV]

@Under-

Where is Mastin? I can't seem to locate his posts.

[PeregrineV]

@Underarchers- You are at 7 votes. I wouldn't sweat it too much.

Vote: Uberninja

I'm torn on IaI. I checked a few of his games, and his posting style is similar both as scum and town, although I didn't check the frequency.

[PeregrineV]

Busy work schedule this week, so will try to catch up as I can.

[PeregrineV]

@AP- It was nowhere near a stretch. Last time I refused to follow up on something like that hard enough, it bit me in the ass.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3507498 (Hindu was scum).

Interest now is in IaI. Will do an ISO on him today. Also on Mhork.

[PeregrineV]

@Uber- you still scum or did you get that fixed?

[PeregrineV]

@PV: Do you think Zab is playing like he did in HPATPL? Read on Zab?

Will have to go look, didn't know he was in this game.

[PeregrineV]

Zab is tough, he could be scum. For now, we'll have him leaning scum, to be followed up on with an inquisition of some sort.

A quick Mhork glance leaves him at leaning town.

IaI is probably scum.

Vote: IaI

[PeregrineV]

PV, in 1560, you say you're iso'ing me. Then in 1671 you say I'm probably scum. But no case. Something's not lining up, can you help figure it out?

Sure.

You're commenting on everything, regardless of relevancy. Wall posts responding to each twist of play don't make a lot of sense as town. They don't help catch scum, but try to project a sense of inclusiveness. Uber has something similar, but is quoting each thing....

You might be able to clear it up by walking me through who you think is scum and why.

[PeregrineV]

your reason to speak my name loud is pointless.. if you really want to lynch scum, look at the game and there are more people who look way to scummier than me..

I think I'm calling this the Billy Goats Gruff defense.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not really sure... I posted and that was like wait when did I quote the OP...
Also I'm a leading wagon, again. It makes me feel loved and warm and fuzzy inside.

Also VOTE: I am Innocent as a shameless OMGUS / He's also got a wagon on him/ If I aI ever bothered to meta me he'd find some amazing lurking.

As two of the leading wagons, yet still early in the day, this is a piss-poor reason to vote.

No, it's actually scummy!

Vote: Jacob

[PeregrineV]

In the future, mantis, I would prefer you PM me as soon as your Hydra account is activated.
Very bad form to post before any announcement, in my view. I'm kinda pissed, but whatever.

Go ahead...

sorry maestro, i know it was bad form.


sorry..

Just gonna go with this as the reason for the thread-lock yesterday? Don't see anything else that might have caused it.

[PeregrineV]

Oh my GOD. I just linked a scum QT in which matt was actively planning herpaderp gambits and admitting that he is well known for doing so and would therefore like to do them as mafia.

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Teh thread for the actual game were he did all the crap would add weight to the argument. The QT thread is just argument.

[PeregrineV]

We bring you a brief pause to your game for this commercial message.

"Vote Jacob. It's the right thing to do."

We now take you back to your regularly scheduled program.

[PeregrineV]

...that you noticed the thread was locked?

...for a brief five minute period?

...on a day where you made 0 posts in the thread?

Yes. My only posting that day (horrible work day) was to close out Agency Mafia.

[PeregrineV]

if you believe that IaI is a legit cop then I should be your second to top town read. there is no "working her way into my heart as town" shit, by your own reasoning I should already be there, there shouldn't be any "work" involved.

Logic strike.

Bad Uber.

Vote: UberNinja

[PeregrineV]

Special fake double-vote on

Jacob

, just so wagon doesn't lose momentum.

[PeregrineV]

I self-investigated last night b/c I got something from an inventor and I came up town

[PeregrineV]

I self-investigated last night b/c I got something from an inventor and I came up town

Like seriously now people are just jabbing at me for bullshit. 2765 is just unnecessary

I think PV and UN would be good ideas of people to look at

Actually, last claim was gunsmith which caused IaI to claim. So not getting the self-investigated thing.

[PeregrineV]

I self-investigated last night b/c I got something from an inventor and I came up town

Like seriously now people are just jabbing at me for bullshit. 2765 is just unnecessary

I think PV and UN would be good ideas of people to look at

Actually, last claim was gunsmith which caused IaI to claim. So not getting the self-investigated thing.

How the heck does saying I self investigated draw out any claim or impact anyone negatively? Why are you justifying a shitty jab at me?

Whoa, simmer down nah...

I'm confused why you would self-investigate, even if receiving something from an inventor, and how you would get your action in after receiving the thing last night when most actions revolve at once.

And if your just throwing claims/BS out there again for the hell of it, why do you feel it's necessary to do so day3?

[PeregrineV]

There are plenty of reasons to leave a claimed cop alive in a large theme Rev, WIFOM not the least of them.

PEdit: I wasn't aware Matt was being serious PV. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Would it bother you if he was just being lulzy?

I don't know, but kind of, yes.

Day1 it's great because it's generates discussion, and good discussion devastates scum (see MEta Mafia in Large theme).

But this is day3 with 3 or 4 town flips and a scum flip. Now is the time to claim real results, or scumhunt off the info you have. If you want to try to create new info, that's all good and well but the old info hasn't been mined yet.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, who the fuck would use a 1x Cop invention to self-investigate? What the actual fuck. Matt was obviously making a joke.

Obviously. Makes sense. Just feeling a little dense today, maybe.

[PeregrineV]

I just read all 60 pages over the last 2 days. You all better worship the ground I walk on.

Playing to a town wincon

:

TheReverend

- Hi rev! We are finally both town in the same game. I like you. You are funny and you had me SCARED as FUCK when I was scum in social Justice. You deserved to win that but the town was just too derp. So lets be super best friends and vote scum together.

UberNinja

- This game I pretty much agree with a lot of his reads and value his input.

Peregrine Five

- His posts to Om about scum slipping were reaching really hard. He was making a hard sell of a case that was unlikely to have support. I don't think PV would do that as scum over an easier route. Also he just feels an awful lot like he did in HPATPL (I was scum then, but ya).

Penguin_Alien

- I like her posts. Original thought processes and I can tell where she is going with her line of thought. Seems to genuinely believe her cases/reads.

Borkjerfkin

- I liked his post about Mattp. I think mattp is pretty town, but I can understand the paranoia that you are being had by an aggressive scum player. I tend to doubt scum Bork would try to go against the screeching wind that is Matt. ESPECIALLY with such a weak commit like that. Other than that I've just kind of shared his reads at a various points. This is a kinda big gutread.

Action Dan

- Hi Dan! You're town. Im town. Lets be in thread buddies and gossip about who is fabulous and who is scandalous. Love your Bork townread, love your Zab/matt push off the bat (2 hard lynches). I love that you aren't drinking the Vifam/mattp/majiffy KoolAid.

Playing par for the course (Probably town):

Pirate Mollie

- Your walls with Rob look town to me. Your AtE wrt Rob outting your scum meta looked genuine and you seem to be pursuing your own line of thoughts this game.

Rob

- Mmm, this is kind of a gutread, but your arguments with Mollie looked town. I remember reading this game and Rob just being so obvscum. Not feeling the same Rob here.

Mattp

- Matt seriously you are town right? because you are acting like it, but most of your reads are meh. Starting with your PV scumread and ending with your Chkflip townread.

Majiffy

- I thought Majiffy was scum most of the game, but Im just refusing to believe he postures...this....fucking...hard.

Playing along (null)

Lord Mhork
mozamis
Arcangel9

Playing with my heart (leaning scum)

Aj the Epic
JacobSavage
I Am Lurking^D

Playing us for fools (probably scum)

Vifam^B

Chkflip

Zabriel

Chkflip

is mafia. Seriously, has anyone read a singular post made by this joker? His ISO is just a continuous stream of bullshit from start to finish.
-Unjustified votes
- Distractions and Goose Chases all over the place
-Active Lurking / No sign of original thought (except to accuse UN of being scum for lurking, pure genius :U )
-Going for ez lynches (Rob, Mhork, IaI^A, Mastinero)
-You cant PROVE Im mafia (but I am, oh god I hope no one notices just how horrifyingly useless I've been and actually lynches me

)

Zabriel

feels different to me than he did in HPATPL^C. He seems like hes just along for the ride this game and just swooping in on occasions to say "Ya, player X is scum, good wagon".

Vifam

's Mastinero push was super opportunistic and horrible. Hes buddying his ass up to Mattp all game. Most of his posts are really awful excuses for posts. Oh and his prodding of mastin2 post-lynch was so fake. Like wow. Just lurk it out next time Vifam.
Anyone with a read on Vifam that isn't "holy shit, why didn't we lynch Vifam Yesterday" is either a Vifam buddy or really bad.

VOTE: Vifam

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@IaI: Would you consider this an objectively scummy question from your slot if you didn't know your own alignment?
@Anyone: If you have a townread on Chkflip, could you back that up in your next post?
@Majiffy, top 2 picks for scum today?
@Mhork, Off the top of your head, why is AA scum?
@Jacob, Are you scum? Because you sure are posting like it. Why is Vifam town? Why are mhork/zab scum?
@AJ, What is you read on the Om slot? (AA). Why were you so sure that Mastinero was lying. What is your current opinion on Zabriel (why).

Footnote:

A: I dunno, IaI might be scum though. But hes still an easy wagon to get on.
B: Seriously, why does ANYONE have a townread on Vifam. Id love to hear it. And if that reason is "Hurrr, vifam is posting like he does when hes town", eternal shame on you.
C: What do you think about Zabriel, Peregrine? I just dont see his normal town self here. Hes posturing and I really like Dan's pressure on him.
D: I kinda don't want to lynch IaI as much as others, but I could be convinced possibly.

Ok...Im going to try and compile some quick thoughts before sleep.

Town

pirate mollie

Lord Mhork

Likely Town

penguin_alien

- Her AA9 vote was at a very decisive point. She could have swung a JS wagon and it seems likely she would have as scum given the JK flip from AA9.

I Am Innocent

- Crumbed cop in his opening post, claimed it and is not CC'd. Mafia JK seems to suggest scum have no more blocking power. Also I feel that he would have gotten less flak for claiming to investigate Mozamis who was a huge point of debate if he were interested in looking the most town. Nacho investigate reads of genuine paranoia.

UberNinja

- Aggressive playstyle fits town meta. Stepping on a lot of feet looks town. I like his posts/logic, feels genuine.

ActionDan

- Shares a lot of my opinions. Guess I need to be careful with that. But it felt town of him to blatantly quote me that time re PV and say he was townreading him for the same reason.

Majiffy

- Felt his 1v1 with Mastinero at the end of D1 looked genuine. He was really upset and I think that is more likely to come from town.

People that I think should be considered today.
zabriel
Aj the Epic
borkjerfkin
TheReverend
MattP
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
Vifam

I find my town read on Bork dwindling. Not really sure why, but I cant remember much of what he has done this game. I need to ISO that.
Zabriel's hammer on AA9 seemed a little awkward. I want to ISO him though, Ive been gut scumreading him for a long time.
Aj the E still seems town for his relentless Matt push and dont give a fuck attitude about much else. Lightish town read.

But I would open my self to talking about a lynch in this group regardless.

Mostly for prosperity, but hey AP, you want to walk me from "old" reads to "new", that's be cool.

[PeregrineV]

@AP- I want to tell you a story, but first, feel free to insert just a few of the 167 mentions of Matt by yourself in between your two reads lists.

Spoiler: Is Matt Town? A collage by AngryPidgeon

VOTE: mattp

Vifam who was your biggest townread going into last night?

Also ya matt is scum too.

So lets do this. Zabriel/Vifam/Matt. Awesome picks for today.

@ AP - which reads of UN's do you agree with? cos I am comparing his #1301 to your #1457 and I don't see a lot of similarities.

Im not really 100% sync'd up with anyone (except possibly Nero oO). I like his reasonings though and I like that he was pressuring unpopular targets (mattp and chkflip). I feel that a lot of people were just doing whatever the fuck was popular with a little variations and he was doing his own thing. I dunno, his wallposts were just resonating with me.

This JacobSavage wagon is smelling an awful lot like a shitty wagon.

Vifam, why do you think Chkflip was killed last night then? I gotta say I expected m attp to die, regardless of whether or not he was on the right track becuase he was the most influential player in the game.

I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?

VOTE: AP

I linked it because you were pretty obvtown in that game to me (ya I was scum). But your posting seemed different to me here. Less lost, more focused, more decisive. Could be because you aren't under pressure at all I guess.

Why does you lurking and having 2 prods in a town game matter? Why does it matter if I link a town game of yours? I also threw it out there because I want PV's input on it since we have been in 3 games together (counting this one). What was your bitmap read and why?

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Matt's response to me was scummy as shit and not natural.

I said later in the day that the only relational tell between nero was with mozamis who was related to IAI and that the connection was weak at best

But AP is trying to discredit my IAI case with it

Scummy as fuck but he probably is just delusional which is really sad for him but I lack any compassion and hence he can get his super awesome plan embroidered on a tissue so that he can play with himself with it

1. I don't care, you were laying out connections for your scumteam of Moz/Nero/IaI and DID say that they were connected enough that an IaI scumflip directly increses the chance of Nero scum.

2. Yes, I am town, and trying to discredit your case. Slip harder matt.

3. A whole lot of shit intended to distract from the fact that he is mafia.

4. Also, we get this retarded sarcastic "I dont care about your agenda AP" followed up with a post where he is clearly discussing my agenda. Nice posturing.

What town matt WOULD have done is:
1. Try to get me to sheep him (he did get me to play along in open space, he knows Ill play along)
2. Criticize my chkflip read / OMGUS me more directly instead of this bullshit he is dancing around me with.

Seriously, matt is scum. UN/Dan help me lynch this joker.

The scumteam is Mattp/Vifam/Zabriel/{IaI/JS/AJ}? If Im wrong about Vifam, I might buy Majiffy scum.

what do you think of IaI?

I could see scum IaI. I might even make a case. I'd prefer other lynches Today though because IaI is going to get his ass lynched sooner than later w/o my help.

Off the top of my head:
-Feels less focused than he did in Switchboard mafia. He is commenting on things as they happen and being less proactive / tunnely.
-Didn't like his "AP, why didn't you analyze any Mastinero connections?" when he hasn't done so either...And that is a playstyle thing. Why does he care that I, specifically, haven't when NO ONE really had. And add in the fact that I really HAD speculated peripherally to that (wrt Majiffy and Vifam) and the whole question just looks fake as hell.
-Bahhhh baahhhh bahhhh bahhhh Nero Cain
-Hes pushing a lurker case on JS w/o really directly calling it a lurker case.

Side note: I could buy IaI as scum with Mattp and/or JS. All that crap floating around about Matt not being scum with IaI is crap. And floating around. Because scum totally never distance or bus ever.

Basically, if Matt were town I think he would be trying to show how town he is, not show how good his record is.

Seriously, Mattp is mafia aligned. And Vifam is pushing AD for his meh play today? and not Matt? Why? (Dont think to hard about that).

Sup Matt, Im voting your buddy.

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

VOTE: mattp

yep. I got teh ovaries to do it

Oh, were finally lynching scum-matt?

Cool.

UNVOTE: Mhork
VOTE: MAtt

Then why even mention that you'd be interested in proof, you ass.

Scum vifam. Scum matt. Scum Mhork.

The scumteam is Matt/Vifam/IaI/Mhork/???

i don't know about IAI and Matt being scum together, just based on the fact that IAI claimed shortly after. that doesn't seem like enough to say with certainty.

I never said that is why they HAVE to be scum together, otherwise I wouldnt give a shit about which one I want to lynch today. Holy fuck.

Mattp is scum for his overall play. This gambit is noting special for him. IaI is suspect for outting his PR for

no fucking reason whatsoever.

How is this hard to understand.

Seriously Mattp is actually intentionally trolling this game and its sad that no one is piling on to lynch him. Hes mafia aligned. Get over it.

VOTE: Mattp

Because I want to hear I am Innocent claim a result first?

Also, if the setup is Doc/Cop/Vig/IC/Mason/mason, I don't think that is too town sided. The cop investigating the masons or the IC is a waste. The Vig shooting the unclaimed masons or the IC is also likely.

This setup makes sense in my mind with the AA9 Mafia Jailkeeper flip. I dont think the town power there is too much since the roles step on each other a little bit. And the JK + likely one other PR counter the cop a little.

[PeregrineV]

Once upon a time there was an Angry Scum Pidgeon in the land of Harry Potter and shit.

He spent a lot of time pushing on his scum-buddy, while simultaneously pushing for town lynches. He was a prolific poster, but was still called out as scum more than once. However, the quantity of posting drowned out the scummy quality.
The poor town was too flabberghasted to see it, so the Scummy Pidgeon and his buddy all took over the world and it really sucked.
The End.

Since I don't want a repeat of this here, and I refuse to try and "outpost" you, I will instead drive the sharp hot pokers of logic into your lynch until such time as you spill all, and I can actually see the town thoughts emerge from your bird-brain, or you are dead.

How's that sound?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, who the fuck would use a 1x Cop invention to self-investigate? What the actual fuck. Matt was obviously making a joke.

Obviously. Makes sense. Just feeling a little dense today, maybe.

Sounds like scum playing stupid and then backtracking saying "oops I didnt mean to do that" when really they did.

PV is not this stupid.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD SO MUCH SO THAT HE NOTICED THE THREAD BEING LOCKED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ON A DAY WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING IN IT.

Everyone should be voting PV.

EVERYONE



PV, VOTE YOURSELF

It was a funny joke and I should have laughed.

[PeregrineV]

@AP- I want to tell you a story, but first, feel free to insert just a few of the 167 mentions of Matt by yourself in between your two reads lists.

Spoiler: Is Matt Town? A collage by AngryPidgeon

VOTE: mattp

Vifam who was your biggest townread going into last night?

Also ya matt is scum too.

So lets do this. Zabriel/Vifam/Matt. Awesome picks for today.

@ AP - which reads of UN's do you agree with? cos I am comparing his #1301 to your #1457 and I don't see a lot of similarities.

Im not really 100% sync'd up with anyone (except possibly Nero oO). I like his reasonings though and I like that he was pressuring unpopular targets (mattp and chkflip). I feel that a lot of people were just doing whatever the fuck was popular with a little variations and he was doing his own thing. I dunno, his wallposts were just resonating with me.

This JacobSavage wagon is smelling an awful lot like a shitty wagon.

Vifam, why do you think Chkflip was killed last night then? I gotta say I expected m attp to die, regardless of whether or not he was on the right track becuase he was the most influential player in the game.

I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?

VOTE: AP

I linked it because you were pretty obvtown in that game to me (ya I was scum). But your posting seemed different to me here. Less lost, more focused, more decisive. Could be because you aren't under pressure at all I guess.

Why does you lurking and having 2 prods in a town game matter? Why does it matter if I link a town game of yours? I also threw it out there because I want PV's input on it since we have been in 3 games together (counting this one). What was your bitmap read and why?

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Matt's response to me was scummy as shit and not natural.

I said later in the day that the only relational tell between nero was with mozamis who was related to IAI and that the connection was weak at best

But AP is trying to discredit my IAI case with it

Scummy as fuck but he probably is just delusional which is really sad for him but I lack any compassion and hence he can get his super awesome plan embroidered on a tissue so that he can play with himself with it

1. I don't care, you were laying out connections for your scumteam of Moz/Nero/IaI and DID say that they were connected enough that an IaI scumflip directly increses the chance of Nero scum.

2. Yes, I am town, and trying to discredit your case. Slip harder matt.

3. A whole lot of shit intended to distract from the fact that he is mafia.

4. Also, we get this retarded sarcastic "I dont care about your agenda AP" followed up with a post where he is clearly discussing my agenda. Nice posturing.

What town matt WOULD have done is:
1. Try to get me to sheep him (he did get me to play along in open space, he knows Ill play along)
2. Criticize my chkflip read / OMGUS me more directly instead of this bullshit he is dancing around me with.

Seriously, matt is scum. UN/Dan help me lynch this joker.

The scumteam is Mattp/Vifam/Zabriel/{IaI/JS/AJ}? If Im wrong about Vifam, I might buy Majiffy scum.

what do you think of IaI?

I could see scum IaI. I might even make a case. I'd prefer other lynches Today though because IaI is going to get his ass lynched sooner than later w/o my help.

Off the top of my head:
-Feels less focused than he did in Switchboard mafia. He is commenting on things as they happen and being less proactive / tunnely.
-Didn't like his "AP, why didn't you analyze any Mastinero connections?" when he hasn't done so either...And that is a playstyle thing. Why does he care that I, specifically, haven't when NO ONE really had. And add in the fact that I really HAD speculated peripherally to that (wrt Majiffy and Vifam) and the whole question just looks fake as hell.
-Bahhhh baahhhh bahhhh bahhhh Nero Cain
-Hes pushing a lurker case on JS w/o really directly calling it a lurker case.

Side note: I could buy IaI as scum with Mattp and/or JS. All that crap floating around about Matt not being scum with IaI is crap. And floating around. Because scum totally never distance or bus ever.

Basically, if Matt were town I think he would be trying to show how town he is, not show how good his record is.

Seriously, Mattp is mafia aligned. And Vifam is pushing AD for his meh play today? and not Matt? Why? (Dont think to hard about that).

Sup Matt, Im voting your buddy.

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

VOTE: mattp

yep. I got teh ovaries to do it

Oh, were finally lynching scum-matt?

Cool.

UNVOTE: Mhork
VOTE: MAtt

Then why even mention that you'd be interested in proof, you ass.

Scum vifam. Scum matt. Scum Mhork.

The scumteam is Matt/Vifam/IaI/Mhork/???

i don't know about IAI and Matt being scum together, just based on the fact that IAI claimed shortly after. that doesn't seem like enough to say with certainty.

I never said that is why they HAVE to be scum together, otherwise I wouldnt give a shit about which one I want to lynch today. Holy fuck.

Mattp is scum for his overall play. This gambit is noting special for him. IaI is suspect for outting his PR for

no fucking reason whatsoever.

How is this hard to understand.

Seriously Mattp is actually intentionally trolling this game and its sad that no one is piling on to lynch him. Hes mafia aligned. Get over it.

VOTE: Mattp

Because I want to hear I am Innocent claim a result first?

Also, if the setup is Doc/Cop/Vig/IC/Mason/mason, I don't think that is too town sided. The cop investigating the masons or the IC is a waste. The Vig shooting the unclaimed masons or the IC is also likely.

This setup makes sense in my mind with the AA9 Mafia Jailkeeper flip. I dont think the town power there is too much since the roles step on each other a little bit. And the JK + likely one other PR counter the cop a little.

Look at this IIOA bullshit

It looked like a request to explain the differences his reads took in a single game day while pointing out the numerous times he called Matt scum.

If you want to explain it for him, I'll be happy to listen.

[PeregrineV]

PV I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

It's a request to Angry.

The only point at this time would be his behavior is suspiciously similar to his scum play last game.

[PeregrineV]

post 2972
Im not scum this game, and posting shitton is a nulltell for me.

Are you are just randomly quoting things I did in HPATPL or is there a connection to my play that Im not seeing?

It's almost exactly your play here.

[PeregrineV]

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD SO MUCH SO THAT HE NOTICED THE THREAD BEING LOCKED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ON A DAY WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING IN IT.

Ya well IaI noticed Matt's gambit and full claimed in T - 15 minutes. And no one seemed to care about that.

I dont get the collage, PV. I've been calling Matt scum since he posted "Lets do things my way today" and started tunneling IaI.

It felt unnatural to me that someone who had one of their best 3 scumreads lynched the day before would kick off the Day with a "Lets do things my way". And I pressured him, and he got emotional about it. Town matt is at least reasonable if a bit scattered. It was not town Matt.

I get reads by interacting with people. Its part of why I post so much. I give much less sway to reads on people I cant talk to, because I like to scum-hunt by opening up to people and understanding their thoughts/emotions on an individual level.

So, I'm asking how the people in Angry read #1 transmorgified themselves into the reads in Angry reads #2.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, Im on phone atm. that last list was partly compromise list. I dont think you or AJ are likely scum, but a lot do so I put you in the "maybe compromise " list. Any person in particular you don't understand why I put them there?

Let's start with compromise lynch. Why compromise this early in the day/game?

And given the strength of some of your pushes, your reads seem different.

Don't have time to break them all down, but you did, so I want to understand how any shifts occurred. Matt and Rev are good places to start.

[PeregrineV]

Most of Nom's scumhunting was done pushing TheRev, asking him why he's being so jumpy or whatever and calling his play "Not town". Yet he never actually votes him and at the time he sitting on the strongest wagon which was Mhrok. I'd quote the posts but I never learned how to do the multiquote function thing.

Either way I'm pretty sure he was distancing hard with his read on TheRev. Rev also had a townread on Om for replacing out which is dumb because that's obviously standard for him no matter what, his defense, then eventual wagon hop on ArcAngel D3 is even worse

This sounds good, but will have to check myself and see if I draw similar conclusions. Is there anyone else you found a connection with between Om/AA?

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- Can we get VC and page 1 update?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: buldermar

[PeregrineV]

Jacob was scummy before, nothing's changed that.
Not interested in a Majiffy or Rev wagon right now.
Reading incentive.

[PeregrineV]

Which slot is Boner Police? I can't find it in the OP.

I think that's MattP now.

[PeregrineV]

Good news:

Replacement posting

Bad news

: no time to read now. But in good faith,

Unvote.
Vote: Zabriel

@Mod- My weekends have been busy, so I am going LA from now until Monday. Will post if able.

[PeregrineV]

okay, perv, I hope you are okay with this. I have been running probabilities and possibilities in my head and penguin is making sense and I don't want an inadvertent mozi situ where players mistake special tells for scummy behaviour. I want you cleared, plz don't be mad.

It's all good!

[PeregrineV]

There's enough info for interactions, etc.

Vote: MattP

[PeregrineV]

And his guilty claim on me sucked and you all fucking suck for not doubting it for a second

It was the obvious damn move

I told him to investigate me because it was the obv damn move

That was the "reason I didn't want to disclose"

But thanks for just speeding through that lynch it saved me a lot of effort and stress

So scum is giving up one of their own just to lynch you?

If IaI is not the cop, who do you think Buld protected?

Final reads list would be helpful if your town. Your ISO is long enough to choke a horse, and single clarifying post may help later in the game.

[PeregrineV]

If Matt is Town, I die tonight, huh? Sadness...

One of us three, unless our reads suck more than we know.

[PeregrineV]

the above argument (sccum giving up one of their own) is flawed. I invite you to think it over

If Matt flips town not-miller, are you against an IaI lynch?

[PeregrineV]

the above argument (sccum giving up one of their own) is flawed. I invite you to think it over

Let's start over, since your last post confuses me.

Do you think Matt will flip town or scum?

[PeregrineV]

sigh.

town.

Since IaI will be lynched after that, why do you think scum decided to give up one of 25-33% of their team to take out a single townie?

[PeregrineV]

sigh.

town.

Since IaI will be lynched after that, why do you think scum decided to give up one of 25-33% of their team to take out a single townie?

Because, of course, he's a SUPER IMPORTANT TOWNIE, aside from the masons, IC, bodyguard, etc.

And why the hell would they kill the bodyguard to make it look like somebody was trying to kill the cop, just to have the cop give a bad result?

Why not have him give a GOOD result, and then coast until LYLO?

Makes no fucking sense. Matt is flipping scum.

I'm asking Dan. You should too.

[PeregrineV]

you guys are more emo than a pack of teenage girls on their periods just saying

[PeregrineV]

Bah! See you after the game...

[PeregrineV]

@Meastro- Thanks for the game, I enjoyed being a mason with Moz and Mollie!

@Uber- you articulated very well in the scum QT, and you guys had strong communication in there. I think that was part of what helped you guys win.

@Mollie & Moz- We'll get them next time!