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FT, if that's what happens it's the town's own damn fault for letting it happen. If they can't manage their time well enough then shouldn't be wondering why they can't lynch scum.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 25, pirate mollie wrote:In post 24, Majiffy wrote:On a page one RVS wagon? Unlikely.
agreed
True, however, I still think you should be aware of the potential for rat to do that if he's scum with Siv.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 42, Melmond wrote:In post 23, Voidedmafia wrote:Mollie, P-Rat could be bussing scumSiv for some amount of towncred?
That seems a little bit far fetched. We don't even know sivs alignment yet, to be guessing that rat's bussing him just seems wierd at this point in the game..
Mollie was saying that there was no scum motivation there. I was simply pointing out that there is, even if it's not the best kind of motivation at that point in time.
I guess I can get the irritation behind the vote, but I guess I don't really like it.
In post 49, Majiffy wrote:Ah but the question had nothing to do with opinions.
...actually a fair point, given what this argument is all referring to.
This argument feels a lot like orcinus is unnecessarily making a mountain out of a molehill. Was Majiffy's response to the original question annoying? Yes. Should he actually try to come up with a well-thought-out response outlining why he wants to just hang Siv anyways (even if it's already been stated)? Probably. Is the ruckus orcinus causing because of this really worth it? IMO not really.
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In post 59, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Voided wrote:This argument feels a lot like orcinus is unnecessarily making a mountain out of a molehill. Was Majiffy's response to the original question annoying? Yes. Should he actually try to come up with a well-thought-out response outlining why he wants to just hang Siv anyways (even if it's already been stated)? Probably. Is the ruckus orcinus causing because of this really worth it? IMO not really.
Vote: Orcinus
What exactly are you voting me for again? I mean, since you've said that Majiffy was being annoying with his refusal to answer question, you think that my persistance in following up is...scummy somehow?
Boooldeeed.
In post 61, Majiffy wrote:In post 59, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:What exactly are you voting me for again? I mean, since you've said that Majiffy was being annoying with his refusal to answer question, you think that my persistance in following up is...scummy somehow?
That's terrible.
Don't mind him, he's just my scumbuddy trying to bail me out of the horrible suspicion you've cast on me.
DON'T RAT ON ME, MAN! That's rude!
In post 65, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:PPE: Play like an annoying bastard and refuse to answer questions and then receive a chainsaw defense from voidedmafia.
Do I hear buzzing? Must be my ears.
I explained why I disliked your vote on Majiffy. You seem to understand it, so...
In post 71, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:How are we supposed to flip Siv without a lynch? Oh right, you guys have a nightkill. Forgot about that.
Which presumes Majiffy is scum, which I don't have much of a reason to believe right now.
...And by the end of page 3 this argument has gotten way to fucktarded for me to want to deal with anymore -_-
In post 81, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Believe it or not, "I want to flip Siv" is an opinion in implying that Siv is a good lynch for the day (post 46
Not always it isn't...
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In post 86, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Where's the scum motivation, voided?
If you're scum with Majiffy, this is a good way to deflect attention off both of you via bussing and by being generally loud and annoying so that other players want to tone you out. Of course, the scumminess of one of you depends on the other flipping scum, but still.
Even if one of you is scum and the other is town, it still works toward potentially turning eyes away.
Or, thirdly, you're trying to push a mislynch on flimsy reasoning and it's currently failing hard.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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I can agree to a Savage lycnh, but I like my orcinus spot.FourTrouble wrote:
This does not mean players should not be looking for associative tells. There is something called CONDITIONAL reasoning. I myself will not lynch a player unless I can pin down who I think his partners are. It actually works quite effectively, especially for developing town-reads and using process of elimination.
So you won't lynch obvscum immediately and instead try to dick around for associative tells that you can do during the night?
I'm calling it now, Pappums-Majiffy.
In post 133, FourTrouble wrote:1. I never said I build cases SOLELY because of interactions. I said I don't lynch someone UNLESS there are also associations. It is a necessary condition for lynching someone, not a sufficient one. That said, I would like to know why you are changing your story:
...No it shouldn't (not all the time, at least). If you go by that logic, even obvscum has to be let go if no one has any obvious associative tells with him/her at the time.
In post 134, Majiffy wrote:So you first said I was refusing to commit to a position. I asked you to name them. You then said I have not committed to any reads. I've asked you where I've been asked. And the questions you have posted thus far of me being asked, I have answered to. You cannot change "not having reads" to "refusing to give reads", these are not logically congruent.
To be fair, though, it's still a good idea to articulate your reads out loud for everyone else.
In post 132, FourTrouble wrote:@Majiffy
You are dancing around the issue. You said no one asked you. I showed that you were asked. Your responses gave no answers so they were refusals. I'm not getting into a semantic argument with you. You were WRONG about the fact that no one asked you. You are not dodging that bullet. If you have any reads, now is the time to articulate them.
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now that was nothing but fluff after your reads post <_<
In post 137, Majiffy wrote:Voidedmafia - Dunno, mostly because I haven't really bothered reading you much.
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In post 152, Majiffy wrote:Because defending me is alignment null. You could be scum buddying up to me or you could be town with a town read on me. Or even town who just thinks the case is stupid. I need to either interact with you directly or see you in more situations.
So...you look at the case I bring up in your defense?
I mean, that seems pretty darn simple if you ask me.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 169, Majiffy wrote:Because you're probably scum.
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In post 179, Majiffy wrote:This wagon became incredibly less appealing once Melmond unvoted me.
Why would the fact that you're now not at L-2 make it "less appealing"?
In post 184, Majiffy wrote:In the future, you could have just said that to begin with.
Hypocrite <_<
In post 190, Melmond wrote:@voided: you're voting orc, but ft is saying mostly the same stuff and you're defending him. What makes orc more likely to be scum than ft?
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In post 197, FourTrouble wrote:Voided, why is your vote still on Orci?
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In post 57, Voidedmafia wrote:This argument feels a lot like orcinus is unnecessarily making a mountain out of a molehill. Was Majiffy's response to the original question annoying? Yes. Should he actually try to come up with a well-thought-out response outlining why he wants to just hang Siv anyways (even if it's already been stated)? Probably. Is the ruckus orcinus causing because of this really worth it? IMO not really.
In post 87, Voidedmafia wrote:If you're scum with Majiffy, this is a good way to deflect attention off both of you via bussing and by being generally loud and annoying so that other players want to tone you out. Of course, the scumminess of one of you depends on the other flipping scum, but still.
Even if one of you is scum and the other is town, it still works toward potentially turning eyes away.
Or, thirdly, you're trying to push a mislynch on flimsy reasoning and it's currently failing hard.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 202, Majiffy wrote:In regards to 57, you don't see Orc's actions as potentially coming from a newbtown kid who's only 16?
Same with 87, really.
And? People older than him have raised larger ruckuses. Why should he be exempt just because he's sitll a teen?
Besides, even though asking if that was serious (and the elaboration from you was needed), he was far louder and far more insistent on the topic than he should've been.l
Same with 87, really.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 205, pirate mollie wrote:In post 203, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 202, Majiffy wrote:In regards to 57, you don't see Orc's actions as potentially coming from a newbtown kid who's only 16?
Same with 87, really.
And? People older than him have raised larger ruckuses. Why should he be exempt just because he's sitll a teen?
Besides, even though asking if that was serious (and the elaboration from you was needed), he was far louder and far more insistent on the topic than he should've been.l
Same with 87, really.
yabbut that doesn't make him scummy
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In post 217, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Does Voided's vote strike anyone as opportunistic?
A vote on you that's been there since about page 3 (and IIRC has been the only vote I've casted this entire game)?
PLEASE do tell how this post makes any sense.
Or at least nothing worth voting for, IIRC.
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In post 242, pirate mollie wrote:is it that you think both melmond and voided both look scummy and you are wanting to get them sorted?
In post 232, RachMarie wrote:Voded and Majiffy will definitely take some time to digest, both are very good players and not the easiest to read. ATM though I am placing them in the likely town pile.
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In post 272, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:RM has had this entire game
Rach replaced in, hello?
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In post 286, Human Destroyer wrote:Okay that makes sense
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Siv is null-town. I agree with his 89 and the point against Majiffy in 187, but his lack of presence keeps this read null.
Liked Pappums. Rach is decent enough. Needs ta do more, though.
PM, I suppose, is decent enough. I liked posts like 153 due to similar thoughts to me, but I think the mass of one-liners makes me want to just skim his ISO. Other than his FT vote the only notable thing I can really see is his discourse with me about why I'm voting orcinus, and that's not really alignment-telling.
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In post 293, pirate mollie wrote:^ full of hedge. like peptobismol hedge.
Because everyone that can be reasonably talked about at this point has shit-all for post numbers? Kinda hard to get reads on someone like Siv who only has FOUR posts this entire damn game.
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In post 295, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Voided would be my primary scum read that I would push for today, Siv as second.
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In post 300, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Yeah I did
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My name only shows up in your ISO here, here, here, and here. Only thing that looks like reasons is the last one (and mebbe the one about chainsaws).
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In post 319, Human Destroyer wrote:Yes, I feel like your case is more like stating a fact of what orc is doing and calling it scummy than actually noticing something scummy that he's doing.
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In post 324, Human Destroyer wrote:Actually, it is. It feels contrived.
Perhaps I didn't make myself entirely clear at the time, but I was trying to say that the entire sequence of Orci's anger at Majiffy's response and him blowing the argument out of porportion (and drawing it out over a page or so) was scummy because I don't see why town would get that bent out of shape over an aggravating but overall alignment null answer that Majiffy gave. And of course, I gave three possibilities for why Orci did that and I still really stand by the 3rd one (that Orci is scum who thought he had a good way to garner suspicion on Majiffy that didn't go as planned at all).
Though, I suppose I could be reading it wrong, but that doesn't really answer why restating events and saying why I think these particular events are scummy.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Okay, less Futurama more Mafia.
Whoever the fuck said they had an FT case needs to either post it or start working on it. If the waiting and the quantity of demands for it isn't enough, what will be?
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In post 338, Majiffy wrote:He hasn't actually given any legit scum reads. Just a few weak fosses.
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In post 368, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You sort of answer your own question there.
And just out of curiosity if I refuse to answer your questions that makes me town like Majiffy right
oh ok right
Majiffy answered your questions, though it's true he didn't do it in a way that was actually readable at first glance.
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In post 383, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:not gibberish it's an answer
just not readable at first glance
No, THAT was gibberish.
Majiffy's posts, while i will not be so brazen as to say they all hold kernels of truth in them, did answer your questions (and/or set the parameters to do so, on certsin occaisions).2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 393, RachMarie wrote:Has anyone actually posted a case on FT yet?
No. Either because they don't have them or I suppose those who did are gone.
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In post 409, Thor665 wrote:@Game - why aren't more people voting Human Destroyer, he's claiming scum on Page 17, which is usually a good thing to lynch someone over.
...I don't see it? All I see is 3 people who are putting out far too many posts that may not actually have any in-game relevance for me to reasonably shift through with the time I have (Majiffy, Mollie, and Destroyer). It's left me seriously disconnected, and the rambling by HD on page 17 isn't helping.
In post 430, Thor665 wrote:@Human - you haven't even asked for my logic, even though I claimed to have some. Your attempt to downplay me while not addressing me and also just vague batting at me as scummy continues to prove that you're scummy.
Now this is reasoning I can relate to (possibly not related to the fact that I try to do this all the time ) and can actually see.
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In post 435, pirate mollie wrote:you did not ask me a question thor, you made a suggestion.
Because suggestions totally aren't supposed to be answered all the time.
In post 438, Human Destroyer wrote:I'm thinking Thor/Voided for scumteam
That'd be a match made in heaven, wouldn't it? <_<
chk: One about me next, maybe?
In post 437, Thor665 wrote:but anyone looking at a vote count and then looking at how you answered me on Page 17 should spot the scum claim.
I think I might.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 297, Voidedmafia wrote:Because everyone that can be reasonably talked about at this point has shit-all for post numbers? Kinda hard to get reads on someone like Siv who only has FOUR posts this entire damn game.
Last time I gave a read on Siv. Not the distinct lack of a scumread.
Do you know the word "Pressure"?
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In post 374, chkflip wrote:7. JacobSavage (1) - pirate mollie
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In post 479, Human Destroyer wrote:No asking for someone's reads is asking for their thoughts on the subject.
That's not scumhunting, that's asking for opinions.
There's a difference.
And then you follow up with questions relating to how they have said reads, etc.?
It's scumhunting, HD.
In post 483, Human Destroyer wrote:...because I'm totally going to be able to convince you to vote yourself.
Yknow, I thought that was supposed to be the time why you lay (or re-lay) out the case against your top read for everyone else?
In post 485, Human Destroyer wrote:
If people don't support the lynch of my top scumread, it makes sense to recruit them to lynch my second/third scumreads, does it not?
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Ah, okay.
And considering Jacob never followed up, that statement is invalid.
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In post 494, RachMarie wrote:I just ISOed both Melmond and HD and I do not see where he self voted Thor.
Siv, not Melmond...2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 504, Majiffy wrote:HD, those aren't very bandwagony. The first one is a decent reaction to the events, the second is the same shift everyone else made. I guess an argument could be made that the second is "bandwagony" if you want to stretch it, but it certainly isn't scum or town aligned; I can see the play being made from either alignment.
Fairly sure the 2nd one is bandwagoning.
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In post 521, pirate mollie wrote:and no I have not noticed where you have given adequate answers to my questions/assertions and that is why I keep pestering you about them
...Yes he has? I don't need to be sheeping him to see that he's answered your questions.
In post 521, pirate mollie wrote:which is what you did and then you adding put downs on top of that makes you look even scummier.
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In post 525, Majiffy wrote:Voided can I see a few recently completed scum games?
Of mine?
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But really, if you wanna look for scumgames the only recent one I have is the DDU one. The only other one that's closest is Open 409: Less Pressure, which is buried behind a string of, like, 10 towngames.
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I...Couldn't tell you. Any game that I have been in with him is either ongoing or it's been awhile (or I just don't recall).
Plus, I'm not really that beholden to meta, not as a be-all, end-all thing to scumhunt.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 535, Majiffy wrote:What about RachMarie?
I feel like she's decent enough, though I've barely played with her since said Open 409. I do happen to remember her more than Siv, though, so.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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