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[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): penguin_alien
Boniface (1): ArcAngel9
DeasVail (1): PeregrineV
Jal (6): Slandaar, Albus Dumbledore, Allyra, Darthe, Lurker, DeasVail
Not voting (4): Boniface, Edosurist, The Mini-Librarian, Jal

With

13

alive, it takes

7

players to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, how has Slandaar evolved? What does that mean?

Actually, I'm going to drop my TML town read because he's been posting elsewhere but not there when we're having a debate over his town/scum status for the past few days.

Also, I just realized I was at L-1. Screw that.

He's gone from more vote-hopping and quips to actual cases and reasons. It's a pleasant change to me, but I'm debating whether I should be suspicious.

[Lurker]

UNVOTE

[Albus Dumbledore]

I haven't been properly reading the game since the post I voted Jal in; I'm going to head to bed as soon as I submit this post but I'll definitely be back in things starting tomorrow.

I voted Jal because of the slip that Slandaar pointed out at the beginning of the day. I guess I'm just an idiot because I had no idea that the flavor indicated which kills came from blue.

unvote: Jal

[DeasVail]

I'm sorry that I'm not sticking by my reads or getting more involved in working out what I think, but the fact is that I think the best thing is to follow Slandaar here. First, I'm pretty sure he's town, he doesn't play like this as scum. And second, in the recent games I've played with him, he's always had good reads, and right now I'm going to value Slandaar's reads above my own, especially with two of my townreads proven to be wrong already.

[Slandaar]

PV why are you comparing my play to WiH?

It just makes no sense.

You have much more recent examples of both my town and scum play so to compare to that game is just plain bad especially when ~500 of my posts in that game were lost.

[DeasVail]

The town game of mine that PV brought up was basically the oldest possible as well.

I don't know why he'd do it as scum though.

[Slandaar]

I don't think it has much to do with alignment either but his answer might be interesting.

[Slandaar]

Jal I really want you to answer this for me:

It's the same reason that I very much doubt there are two scum roleblockers in this game like you're proposing with TML - it is stupid, more so for role blockers because of their potential interaction.

A doctor can't even tell if they are blocked or if another role interfered

. TML made an assumption. I right off the bat suggested there's probably a strong-arm vs another roleblocker, champ.

So, how did blue kill B&B again when a doc protected him

?

(Yes I added the question mark)

I have convinced myself; I see no possible way for blue to kill B&B without TML being scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TML

[ArcAngel9]

i have been up to Mini wagon since B&B night kill.. He and I was bit confident that mini could be scum
Mini -Time to talk..

VOTE: The Mini Librarian

[Albus Dumbledore]

Slandaar can you explain the TML thing really clearly for me?

[Slandaar]

This is the easiest way;

How did blue kill B&B?

Did they rb TML? (no)
Did they strongarm it? (no you won't have strongarm + JK think of the interactions)

So, did red RB TML and then blue shoot? very unlikely and considering the interaction between JK and RB it means red probably don't have a RB so no.

So how?

[Darthe]

Jal I really want you to answer this for me:

It's the same reason that I very much doubt there are two scum roleblockers in this game like you're proposing with TML - it is stupid, more so for role blockers because of their potential interaction.

A doctor can't even tell if they are blocked or if another role interfered

. TML made an assumption. I right off the bat suggested there's probably a strong-arm vs another roleblocker, champ.

So, how did blue kill B&B again when a doc protected him

?

(Yes I added the question mark)

I have convinced myself; I see no possible way for blue to kill B&B without TML being scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TML

When we get mini we get Jal next. I am going to review before changing my vote though.

[Albus Dumbledore]

It's probably very unlikely that red would feel the need to block TML in any case, given his suspicion of Thez.

What team do you think he's on? I know you like the link to Thez, but looking through some things there's a decent connection to Baby Spice too. The way she got on and off of his nine vote wagon earlier in the game is kind of off; she was the very last vote on and then just jumped off without ever mentioning TML again a single time in the posts between.

Also, I just noticed something that I'm super excited about.

VOTE: albus

still don't see kj/mattp scum.

Might be down with a skyhook lynch too.

@CKD: Sell me kj/mattp scum. I've read 1135 like 8 times now. I just don't see it.

@CKD: Sell me kj/mattp scum. I've read 1135 like 8 times now. I just don't see it.

and while I am at it, you can sale me why Dumbledore is scum.

Dumbledore is quietly going along with the flow of the game not putting up much of a resistance to really any lynch out there. He has no original ideas and is not really scumhunting. Essentially he's scumcoasting.

Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrg. nothing has happened. -_-

Um, the only things worth mentioning right now are I still find Albus scummy and I would vote Edos if this wagon dies.

Yeah, still not voting the DV slot.

@PV:

I'm pretty sure if you did a iso comparison of each player in this game to a town game prior to this you'd have to concede that everyone is in fact scum. That's more to do with this particular game than anything actually to do with alignment.

:/ Wagon died....


VOTE: jacobsavage

(more likely to be scum over babyspice)

This is a linear line of his posts (ie none are missing in between). Excuse the huge wall of quotes, but just take a look at how he goes from saying that he'll vote Edo if my wagon dies to jumping on Jacob's wagon without ever mentioning him AFTER the Baby Spice wagon builds up. Obvious counter-wagoning. Slam dunk.

vote: TML

[Albus Dumbledore]

I happen to know that TML has very solid scum play too; I wouldn't put it past him at all to outright state that he thinks his buddy is less suspicious than the counter wagon he's weakly jumping on.

[Albus Dumbledore]

Oh, I just realized that the first line of my big post is completely wrong and I was confusing two sets of kills together. I'm just going to go shower and get some breakfast, I'm really groggy right now.

[Albus Dumbledore]

It looks like nj was the red kill when B&B died, and TML was pretty suspicious of nj too, so I guess that works just the same.

[The Mini-Librarian]

Did they rb TML? (no)

What? How do you get this?
Also it's perfectly possible to have a JK and a RB in the same setup, you just need to know what happens if they target each other beforehand.

The way I see it, is that you guys are searching for any possible way that I may be scum without really thinking about it.

--

Oh and guys. Edos is scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 0&sr=posts

VOTE: Edos

His jump off of the Dumbledore wagon was terrible also.

[Albus Dumbledore]

Do you think that blue would have a JK and a roleblocker TML?

[The Mini-Librarian]

why not?

Look I don't know the specifics of why my protect didn't work. I just know that it didn't.

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- VLA for 2/22 to Monday 2/25.

[ArcAngel9]

BTW, we officially completed 65 days since the game has begun

[Jal]

Mini, you were posting in games other than the one you're modding. You also made a reply addressing your absence in less than 20 minutes after I pointed this out. It looks like you've been reading the thread but not replying during our debate over you until I brought up your actiivity.

VOTE: The Mini Librarian

[Jal]

Slandaar, the only way I see it happening in that scenario is a strong-arm as I said. Maybe a redirector but those are rare in games especially with ones that may have little PRs.

I don't get your argument concerning why a strong arm interacts badly with a JK.

[The Mini-Librarian]

grrrrrrrrrrrr
whatever. lynch me. Just fucking lynch EDos tomorrow. Sick of this game anyway.