Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Not voting (7):Allyra, ArcAngel9, Jal, penguin_alien, PeregrineV, Slandaar, wind-up

With

7

alive, it takes

4

players to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Lets all just agree PV has to be bluescum and lynch him.

Jal isn't blue; all she does is hunt bluescum
Wind isn't blue; he would have been lynched yesterday
Penguin isn't blue she had no clue that arrest = bluescum kill
AA isn't blue because shes redscum
Allyra isn't blue because she is town
Same argument for me.

OK so I realised I probably need stronger arguments for AA/Allyra but I am clearly not blue because there is no way I don't just lynch DV yesterday if I were.

I disagree with this list.

How are you even determining this list and your base of this list is mostly assumptions not the facts. Myself is the true example. What makes you think i am the red scum? I am not. If I am the red scum why do I hammer my scum mate especially when i am in a position that i could have pushed for WIND's lynch. Anybody can see what i did in the last phase, I was in a position to push for WIND lynch than hammer DV but i ended following my read, guts and Hammered the right scum. so you're assumptions are wrong.

I thought you and Jal are town, and I was sure about Allyra. Now i am having second thoughs on you.
I think its time i re-think about my town reads as well. We have come so far and there is 50-50 chance of winnign and i am not letting scum win this game.

DeasVail (6):

PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal, wind-up,

Lurker

,

ArcAngel9

wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Darthe,

DeasVail

I really doubt if there is a red scum DV wagon, Since they were only two of them.. they needed each other back to get the wagon on going.
And blue scum in DV wagon which could between PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal and Wind-up. this going to be hard list to filter.

Which is now leading me to Wind-up wagon, Slandaar and Penguin_Alien. They both are red scums? that looks too easy... But that seems the most reasonable possibility.

Jal & PeregrineV - I need your inputs.

I absolutely agree with the bolded part. There is no way red scum busses DV.

And know we pretty much know the setup, and are probably at 4:2:1. That means yesterday three red scum, which means why bus DV at all in the target rich environment of 7 other players?

Going to look vote counts over, I think we can get more info.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): penguin_alien
Boniface (1): ArcAngel9

DeasVail

(1): PeregrineV
Jal (6): Slandaar,

Albus Dumbledore

, Allyra,

Darthe, Lurker

,

DeasVail

PeregrineV (1): Jal
Not voting (3):

Boniface, wind-up

,

The Mini-Librarian

With

13

alive, it takes

7

players to lynch.

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): penguin_alien
Boniface (1): ArcAngel9

DeasVail

(1): PeregrineV
Jal (6): Slandaar,

Albus Dumbledore

, Allyra,

Darthe, Lurker

,

DeasVail

Not voting (4):

Boniface

, wind-up,

The Mini-Librarian

, Jal

With

13

alive, it takes

7

players to lynch.[/color]

VOTE COUNT

DeasVail

(2): PeregrineV, Allyra
Jal (1):

Darthe

wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Lurker

, wind-up
Not voting (3): ArcAngel9,

DeasVail

, Jal

With

10

alive, it takes

6

players to lynch.

VOTE COUNT

DeasVail

(6): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal, wind-up,

Lurker

, ArcAngel9

wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

With

10

alive, it takes

6

players to lynch.

DeasVail, who was

Yvette le Mieux, the driver of a 2008 Ducati Monster 696 and a Mafia bulletproof goon

, has been lynched on Day 5.

Night 5 ends in (expired on 2013-03-18 13:34:15).

[PeregrineV]

Starting with 2816, the fact that Jal was at L-1, but wasn't hammered at all, much less by TML doesn't look good, but the fact he also wasn't hammered by redscum means he's probably not redscum. And if he's not, then his wagon is full of town, despite there being 2 blue and 3 red scum left?
Let's keep Slandaar and Allyra in mind from this count.

[PeregrineV]

2825 is no change, other than a Jal unvote. But, I don't expect he would hammer himself. (May have grabbed the wrong VC).

Moving onto 3005 (yesterday after TML lynch) wondering why mcqueen (now windup) wasn't worried about being hammered if scum or town.

If town, maybe relying on luck/apathy. But if scum, might not be worried because team already on his wagon. But DV moved there to end the day. For a survival vote it was late placed, but need to look at vote order to see more.

[Slandaar]

This is the VC that matters regarding Red scum because it shows they clearly wanted to save MattP therefore we can conclude Red were not bussing.

VOTE COUNT

Aj The Epic (11): BirdAndBeast, The Mini-Librarian, Edosurist, Baby Spice, ArcAngel9, Skyhook, ? ×5

ArcAngel9 (1): thezmon221
Bumi (1): Aj The Epic
jmj3000 (1): PeregrineV
MattP (6): curiouskarmadog, Boniface, Jal, njoseph, Albus Dumbledore, Darthe
Not voting (6): Bumi, JacobSavage, jmj3000, MattP, UVApe

With

20

alive, it takes

11

players to lynch.

Your discussion about who has a reason for the Midnight Racing Club to be put out of existence is interrupted by machine gun fire. You run out to the scene of the shooting and find Bailey Smith's bloodied body limp in her 2003 Renault Clio V6. The killer got clean away, too. You decide to give her a funeral and end the day right there.

Aj The Epic, who was

Bailey Smith, the driver of a 2003 Renault Clio V6 and a vanilla townie

, has been executed on Day 2.

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2013-01-29 19:26:37).

And amazing there I am first vote on MattP

Amusing you didn't use this VC PV.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

DeasVail

(3): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal
wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Lurker, Darthe

Not voting (3): ArcAngel9,

DeasVail

, wind-up

With

10

alive, it takes

6

players to lynch.

From here,

Dv

voted wind-up.

Vote: Wind-up

L-1

DeasVail

(3): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal
wind-up (5): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Lurker, Darthe

,

DeasVail

Not voting (2): ArcAngel9, wind-up

From this, bluescum or redscum could have hammered. However, 4 people choose not to.

Windup votes

DV

in 3080.

DeasVail

(4): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal, wind-up
wind-up (5): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Lurker, Darthe

,

DeasVail

Not voting (1): ArcAngel9

If wind-up was also redscum, he could have chose someone else to create a wagon on, since he just replaced in he could give a fresh perspective and maybe gotten it traction. So probably not redscum. Could be blue, but never hammered Jal the day before. If he's the final blue, he should have happily taken out town-Jal or red-scum Jal. So probably not scum at all.

Lurker unvotes in 3093

DeasVail

(4): PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal, wind-up
wind-up (4): Slandaar, penguin_alien,

Darthe

,

DeasVail

Not voting (2): ArcAngel9,

Lurker

ArcAngel votes Slandaar 3106
Since she's not voting DV or wind-up at this point, no effect.

Lurker

votes

DV

.

Arc hammers in 3158.

[penguin_alien]

PeregrineV, why did you come in after ArcAngel9's hammer and say you'd have more later? It reads like an attempt to deflect attention.

[PeregrineV]

This is the VC that matters regarding Red scum because it shows they clearly wanted to save MattP therefore we can conclude Red were not bussing.

VOTE COUNT

Aj The Epic (11): BirdAndBeast, The Mini-Librarian, Edosurist, Baby Spice, ArcAngel9, Skyhook, ? ×5

ArcAngel9 (1): thezmon221
Bumi (1): Aj The Epic
jmj3000 (1): PeregrineV
MattP (6): curiouskarmadog, Boniface, Jal, njoseph, Albus Dumbledore, Darthe
Not voting (6): Bumi, JacobSavage, jmj3000, MattP, UVApe

With

20

alive, it takes

11

players to lynch.

Your discussion about who has a reason for the Midnight Racing Club to be put out of existence is interrupted by machine gun fire. You run out to the scene of the shooting and find Bailey Smith's bloodied body limp in her 2003 Renault Clio V6. The killer got clean away, too. You decide to give her a funeral and end the day right there.

Aj The Epic, who was

Bailey Smith, the driver of a 2003 Renault Clio V6 and a vanilla townie

, has been executed on Day 2.

Night 2 ends in (expired on 2013-01-29 19:26:37).

And amazing there I am first vote on MattP

Amusing you didn't use this VC PV.

This is day 2. I used to have time to locate and color code 50+ posts, but I don't anymore. If you do, it would be helpful.

And are you really suggesting that with 11 to lynch, scum wouldn't vote thier buddy in the first 6 with 2 competing wagons?

Try again.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, why did you come in after ArcAngel9's hammer and say you'd have more later? It reads like an attempt to deflect attention.

Generic message I posted Friday morning because work took up a lot of the week (my normal playtime).
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... 4&start=25

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, why did you come in after ArcAngel9's hammer and say you'd have more later? It reads like an attempt to deflect attention.

Also, I strongly suspect you might be scum, since Lurker-town, DV-scum, you and Slandaar were on the windup wagon (who is probtown and was DV counterwagon).

thoughts?

[ArcAngel9]

Penguin is confirmed scum, All the time she kept saying she thinks i am scum but she didn't push for my lynch in the last day phase which could have if she surely thinks i am the scum.

I am bit doubtful slandaar but penguin_alien is a good lynch today if we are not able to discover the blue scum.

VOTE: Penguin_alien

[Allyra]

I just realized that lynching red scum guarantees a town loss if they don't cross kill. I think that's right. 7 today, we lynch red, go to six, no cross kill, we're at 4, lynch one and lose to the other team. Yeah I'm dumb, we need to lynch blue today.

Pere - why would tml hammer his buddy and why does him not hammering jal make her town?

[Allyra]

Okay obviously the cars mean something. Dv had a fake claim.

[ArcAngel9]

Here is how I envision this…

Blue scum is between PeregrineV, Allyra, Jal & Wind-up.
So there is a potential danger mis-lynching a townie in this attemept. And we certainly can’t afford a miss-lynch at this moment.

And the most possible 2 red scums are
Slandaar
Penguin_alien

Slandaar has been doing great job so far which is pushing me back to believe if he really is the red scum, if so I must say he is been playing a great game so far.
So that leaves me Penguin_Alien as confirmed RED Scum.

Penguin Alien dies today…

6 Players left

4 town 1 red scum and 1 blue scum

If they night kill two townies or may kill each other in that process or one of them… Town wins automatically
Or if they get two town kills.
It will be 2 : 1: 1
So obviously town will hold its final chance to lynch one scum.. then it will be 2 town and 1 scum in the night which means Town Wins!!!

Dear Townies,
We still hold greater chance of winning this game. So Join with me and lynch Penguine, She is the confirmed RED Scum!!

[ArcAngel9]

PV is guaranteed to be bluescum

thinking on the rest.

Unless Jal played a very clever game regarding the TML/PR talk she is just town. I think it is just too elaborate.

Red scum AA/Wind

Penguin is always town assuming Allyra is; Allyra is town.

I will probably relook at a couple things but I don't see myself changing my mind.

Check out the WAY Slandaar wants everyone to believe Penguin is town. Penguin has done nothing so far in this game to have such confirmed town READ!!

[Slandaar]

And are you really suggesting that with 11 to lynch, scum wouldn't vote thier buddy in the first 6 with 2 competing wagons?

Try again.

njoseph (4): Aj The Epic, nhammen, thezmon221, The Mini-Librarian
Sixx (6):

Albus Dumbledore, Parama

,

killerjester

,

Darthe, Bumi, Ztife

The Mini-Librarian (1): Robert2424
Ztife (6): Nachomamma8, BirdAndBeast, jeck, Jal, Edosurist, Sixx
Not voting (6): PMysterious, JacobSavage, ArcAngel9, Baby Spice, curiouskarmadog, njoseph

There are no bluescum voting Sixx in the first 6 votes here and there are THREE competing wagons????????????????? it is even 13 to lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE PV?!

[penguin_alien]

Two town and one scum at night is a scum win, ArcAngel9, barring a PGO or some such. But nice try.

Yes, I've been saying you're scum all game; no one's been interested. I believe I addressed this yesterday. mcqueen-wind-up seemed like a scum lynch that was more likely to be successful, so I went there. Everyone's been giving you a pass for your scummy play, but I don't think you're town here. Your hammer on JS was awful, and your voting in lockstep with TML on AD belies your scum read there. You actually end up voting with TML a lot by day's end. That makes me think you're the last blue scum, especially with you spinning scenarios why we shouldn't be aiming for blue at all that has you glossing over a near-guaranteed second red scum. Since you pretty much have every living player down as red or blue. Then I become the only red scum option. Right. Convenient, that.

I still think wind-up could be red scum. I can't fathom why else mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1; presumably red thought they could get another target out there, and unfortunately for them it was another of their number.

PeregrineV, since I disagree that wind-up was definitely a counterwagon, I don't think your pointing out that I was on a wagon I still think was on scum with town and scum players really says all that much.

[Jal]

PV, what is your conclusion on who you think is scum?

Wind-up, did you ever answer my question regarding PV?

[Jal]

PV, the thing is I have seen you do this as scum before. You know you might die so you put up a bunch of stuff which concludes to nothingness.

[ArcAngel9]

Jal,
what do you feel about Slaandar and penguin?

[Jal]

I have Slaandar as town for thinking there are three scum, dealio. I agree with your PA read - and I don't think they are on the same side.

[Jal]

Man, by "they" I was thinking of PV there.

[wind-up]

Wind-up, what is your read on PV?

Unlikely red scum because of his catch in #2817, I also think that reduces the possibility of him being blue scum.

[wind-up]

I still think wind-up could be red scum. I can't fathom why else mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1; presumably red thought they could get another target out there, and unfortunately for them it was another of their number.

This is excruciatingly bad considering that the DeasVail wagon existed before the mcqueen wagon, and because if penguin_alien asserts that 'presumably red thought they could get another target out there' she should be able to point to where someone she thinks is red scum tried to divert mcqueen's wagon and how that diversion ends up being on DeasVail. We need to lynch this pronto.

VOTE: penguin_alien

Also, as I've said yesterday, being on a mislynch draws suspicion to you, something scum tend to avoid. Hence why mcqueen wasn't lynched at L-1.