Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

Human Destroyer · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:33 pm

/confirm I guess?

I think Majiffy gave me this flavor on purpose >.<

VOTE: SE-Asians

Because racism

Human Destroyer · Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:35 pm

In post 5, Remembrance wrote:@HumanDestroyer, sum up your play style.

Murderous, hit-or-miss tunneler.

Why do you ask?

P-Edit: Hi Bacde <3

Human Destroyer · Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 8, Remembrance wrote:@Destroyer, followed a few of your games and had difficulty figuring out if you were scum or town. In general, a basic guideline will help me figure you out.

If you were following my games...wouldn't you know my general playstyle?

Majiffy wrote:
In post 4, Human Destroyer wrote:I think Majiffy gave me this flavor on purpose >.<

It just kind of ended up that way with a lot of people and I don't really know how.

Yeah but I'm going to blame you because you're the mod and I can :>

Human Destroyer · Post Post #132 (isolation #3) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:29 am

What the fuck guys you blew up the thread

Human Destroyer · Post Post #133 (isolation #4) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:33 am

Page 1:

@Bacde: Are you ever going to start off a game with me without claiming scum.

@Wisdom: You try too hard.
@Remembrance: Answer my question in Post 10 please.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #134 (isolation #5) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:37 am

Page 2:

@Wisdom: Why did you ask a loaded question to Remembrance in Post 33?
@buldermar: I haven't read past Page 2, but are you going to contribute more than mollie's gender?
@Remembrance: Do you normally read people in a way mostly based in meta?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #138 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:44 am

Page 3:

@Remembrance: Why would people be RVSing on Page 3? Don't you think that's kinda late to be RVSing? I don't like your differing treatments of borkjerfkin and buldermar. It seems like a baseless double standard that doesn't fit.

Wisdom is probably town for the whole line of Remembrance questioning; I particularly like Post 61.

@SE-Asians: Why are you asking for meta discussion to stop?

@Mollie: Why is buldermar town?

@buldermar: Where's your follow-through? (If it's on a later page, don't answer, I'll get to it)

Human Destroyer · Post Post #139 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:45 am

In post 135, Wisdom wrote:
In post 134, Human Destroyer wrote:
@Wisdom: Why did you ask a loaded question to Remembrance in Post 33?

Because that's what it looked like. Out of 12 people, he specifically picked you to ask questions.

Why did you load the question then? You certainly didn't have to, and it was technically a question already answered in Post 8.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #140 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:50 am

Page 4:

@Remembrance: Why are you overpushing the "Bacde is scum because he's nervous" point?
@Mollie's Post 82: Pretty sure Remembrance was talking about the townread, lol.
@SE-Asians: Why does Post 83 contradict itself? Do you have a serious reason, or is it random? It can only be one or the other. Also, why are you voting Wisdom, and why do you back off of him so quickly?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #141 (isolation #9) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:58 am

Page 5:

@Remembrance: Be honest, are you SE-Asians' scumbuddy? Because Post 101 is blech, Post 107 is even more blech, and lastly, we have Post 111, which is a horribly weak reason for a townread. Also, why haven't you reasked the question of why mollie townreads buldermar in a clearer fashion?

Mollie is town for the line of questioning with SE-Asians.

SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #142 (isolation #10) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:00 am

In post 137, Wisdom wrote:^bad post

Yeah I agree.

Town

Wisdom
pirate mollie

Scum

SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent

This isn't enough reads, I need morrrrrrrrre

Human Destroyer · Post Post #144 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:02 am

I don't think meta is a particularly good indicator of alignment, but I can see why people are discussing it and your quashing of said discussion looks like you're afraid of someone meta-reading you as scum.

Why do you want to move Wisdom's attention away from Remembrance?

Your backoff from Wisdom is so, so, SO weak, and clearly people were getting reads out of the discussion, so it wasn't pointless and you backing off is really bad.

IAI could certainly bus you; his reasoning is weak and could work perfectly well as a quick towncred grab for your scumflip.

If you don't know my reasons for reading each person, you're being a very selective reader.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #145 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:04 am

Also:

In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #152 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:20 am

In post 148, buldermar wrote:
In post 134, Human Destroyer wrote:@buldermar: I haven't read past Page 2, but are you going to contribute more than mollie's gender?
What, you don't think her gender is important?

Not to the game, no.

In post 150, buldermar wrote:
In post 142, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 137, Wisdom wrote:^bad post

Yeah I agree.

Town

Wisdom
pirate mollie

Scum

SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent

This isn't enough reads, I need morrrrrrrrre

Why is mollie town?

In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:Page 5:

-snip-

Mollie is town for the line of questioning with SE-Asians.

-snip-

If you need specific post numbers, I'm talking about Post 109 and, more importantly, Post 115.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #154 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:28 am

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:I can see why people are discussing it and your quashing of said discussion looks like you're afraid of someone meta-reading you as scum.

I do Hydra. Is this an accuse or what? You can see why people are discussing but can't see the fact I'm hydra? Why i should afraid with someone meta-reading when he read other person?

Yes I understand you are a hydra. However, the individual members of a hydra CAN be read using meta (to an extent). And yes, that is an accusation.

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:Why do you want to move Wisdom's attention away from Remembrance?

I said I want to have Wisdom's attention. When I said I want to remove Wisdom's attention? Really, why you should have attention to 1 person when you have 3 persons to deal with?

I thought you said "He was paying too much attention to Remembrance, so I'm trying to move his attention to more places." Why does he need to focus on more than one person on a time? We only have 1 lynch anyways.

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:Your backoff from Wisdom is so, so, SO weak, and clearly people were getting reads out of the discussion, so it wasn't pointless and you backing off is really bad.

Dudeeeeeeee... Did you read my posts, really? Do I need to quote all of my post? Here, have some read.

In post 122, SE-Asians wrote:A ask B why C is bad, B answered because C is bad guy, so A asked B again, but B answered the same answer again...

Go ahead. Tell me where it wasn't pointless.

See, but you're asking questions that there's no good answer to. You're asking "Hey, why are you asking for Remembrance's read on me?" which the correct answer is "Because I want to know his read." It's not a useful question in the first place, so it's unsurprising you'd get a slightly snarky answer.

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:IAI could certainly bus you; his reasoning is weak and could work perfectly well as a quick towncred grab for your scumflip.

Oh yeah, towncreed. When there is scumflip everyone will vote, there is no way someone gain towncreed. Your logic flawed, try again.

There's nothing flawed about my logic. Not everyone is going to vote for scum.

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:If you don't know my reasons for reading each person, you're being a very selective reader.

Maybe I am, because I don't see any reason why Wisdom and Mollie are town. Your read is from your side. I do see why Remembrance is town, but you said Remembrance is scum. So you accuse someone who have different read with you? Another flawed logic. Try again.

Well if you're going to strawman my accusation of Remembrance, that's cool too. I specifically said I found his reasons to be weak and bad. If he had good reason to townread you, I'd be okay with it.

Try reading again, this time looking for the parts where I called each of my two townreads town.

In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 145, Human Destroyer wrote:Also:

In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?

Sorry for forget about this. I don't have any reason to vote him. He already proved me wrong, so? should I stay my vote in him?

If you think he's question-dodging scummily...yes.

Do you have other scumreads? If so, why aren't you voting them?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #155 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:29 am

In post 153, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 152, Human Destroyer wrote:If you need specific post numbers, I'm talking about Post 109 and, more importantly, Post 115.

Okay, I'm lurking for now. Enough with this shit.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #157 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:42 am

I think it's townish, particularly if SE-Asians is scum, because scum-mollie would have left it hang with the bad answer and not have bothered to follow through from lack of motivation to scumhunt.

Why do you think it's null?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:37 am

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Yes I understand you are a hydra. However, the individual members of a hydra CAN be read using meta (to an extent). And yes, that is an accusation.

Do you know the fact that Wisdom metaing Remembrance? Good. Now, you should have better accusation. You're contradicting with your own post.

...? I haven't contradicted anything I've said at all. People were talking about meta, and you sought to quash the discussion. Therefore, my immediate logic is that you're afraid of something in the conversation. Probably that they'll say something about your meta that'll lead to you being scum.

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:I thought you said "He was paying too much attention to Remembrance, so I'm trying to move his attention to more places." Why does he need to focus on more than one person on a time? We only have 1 lynch anyways.

"I like to have mislynch every time". Yeah, you like it.

What?

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:See, but you're asking questions that there's no good answer to. You're asking "Hey, why are you asking for Remembrance's read on me?" which the correct answer is "Because I want to know his read." It's not a useful question in the first place, so it's unsurprising you'd get a slightly snarky answer.

The fact, he can answered my second question well.

In post 127, Wisdom wrote:Why am I interested in Remembrance's read? Because I am trying to read Remembrance.

Sorry, you aren't read all of those posts but accuse me.

Again, what? He said he's asking the question to Remembrance to assist him in reading Remembrance. That's an entirely sensical answer.

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:There's nothing flawed about my logic. Not everyone is going to vote for scum.

Oh yes, when there is scumslip, I will not vote. Good logic. Try again.

Except scum aren't usually caught on scumslips; they're usually caught by the motives behind their actions. Sometimes, people don't see said motives and read the guy who's getting lynched as town.

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Well if you're going to strawman my accusation of Remembrance, that's cool too. I specifically said I found his reasons to be weak and bad. If he had good reason to townread you, I'd be okay with it.

Try reading again, this time looking for the parts where I called each of my two townreads town.

So, "Your read is bad read because I tell my reason to you. My read is good read because I'm not telling my reason to you". Good accusation. Try again.

No, I said Remembrance's read was bad because

his

reasons were bad. Are you being purposely obtuse?

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:If you think he's question-dodging scummily...yes.

Pathetic... Did I already said he was too concentrate with Remembrance? I never said he question-dodging. I never said he is scummy or scum. I said he kept distance from me. Good accusation. Try again.

Straight up lie found:

In post 116, SE-Asians wrote:Wisdom is question dodging again like always...

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Do you have other scumreads? If so, why aren't you voting them?

Looking an accusation for me? Like I give a shit to your logic, scum. You want a vote? Here, have mine.
Vote : HD
Looked like an OMGUS? Should I care? Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.

Right, come back when you have a real reason as to why I'm scum. And, yes, it is OMGUS, since you don't have any reason to call me scum. In addition, why would you claim so early?

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 157, Human Destroyer wrote:I think it's townish, particularly if SE-Asians is scum, because scum-
mollie
would have left it hang with the bad answer and not have bothered to follow through from lack of motivation to scumhunt.

In post 158, buldermar wrote:I don't think scum-
mollie
would have left it hang with the bad answer, as you put it...

You are proofing my word about meta.

I didn't use meta, buldermar did. My read is based purely on this game.

P-Edit: Bacde, are you trolling or serious, I shouldn't have to explain these 50 million times

Human Destroyer · Post Post #166 (isolation #18) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:41 am

WAIT

HOLD ON

LINCOLM SCUMSLIPPED

Human Destroyer · Post Post #167 (isolation #19) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:42 am

In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.

This is an open setup with no Vanilla Townies.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #169 (isolation #20) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:44 am

You should go read anyway though

It'll give you more clarity on...all of my reads really.

I'm thinking of adding you and buldermar to the townlist but I'm not certain yet.

P-Edit: I am...

Human Destroyer · Post Post #171 (isolation #21) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:44 am

What do you mean sometimes

Human Destroyer · Post Post #173 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:47 am

In post 167, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.

This is an open setup with no Vanilla Townies.

Lincolm, why are you ignoring this

I just caught you on a pretty major slip up

and you're just sorta acting like that didn't happen

Human Destroyer · Post Post #175 (isolation #23) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:50 am

um yes I did read your post?

how could I have responded to it without reading it, that doesn't make sense

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-3): Human Destroyer, pirate mollie, I Am Innocent, Bacde
Bacde (L-5): Remembrance, Wisdom

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz, buldermar, borkjerfkin, AngelusW, kuror0, SE-Asians

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Post Post #177 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:53 am

Are you seriously going to use CARNIVAL OF LUNACY here

Human Destroyer · Post Post #179 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:55 am

Okay so now that SE-Asians is effectively confirmed scum, let's talk about the rest

Go read Remembrance and IAI, and tell me what you think of their interactions with SE-Asians; I think they're pretty damning

Human Destroyer · Post Post #181 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:56 am

there are no innocent children in diffusion of power lmao

Human Destroyer · Post Post #187 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:59 am

In post 167, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.

This is an open setup with no Vanilla Townies.

What, no response to this Remembrance?

P-Edit: Also that

Human Destroyer · Post Post #188 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:59 am

like you're clearly reading if you saw Lincolm's posting now and my catch up posts

there's no way you missed Lincolm's claims

Human Destroyer · Post Post #193 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:04 am

Unofficial Vote Count:

SE-Asians (5): Human Destroyer, pirate mollie, I Am Innocent, Bacde, Remembrance
Bacde (1): Wisdom

how many is it to lynch again I forget

Human Destroyer · Post Post #195 (isolation #30) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:05 am

alright so Rem's vote was L-2

Human Destroyer · Post Post #197 (isolation #31) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:06 am

Yeah, but it was a completely serious fakeclaim used to fake out the scum.

There's literally a 0% chance that was the point here.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #199 (isolation #32) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:09 am

Because claiming VT in a setup with no VTs is going to save you

Because claiming IC

period

is going to save you

Human Destroyer · Post Post #201 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:11 am

Neither. I'm agreeing with the fact that he's fakeclaimed in the past.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #204 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:11 am

I meant from nightkills obviously

Claiming IC is definitely not going to save you from nightkills, which seems to be your entire motive for claiming such here

Human Destroyer · Post Post #205 (isolation #35) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:12 am

You fucked up, you scumslipped, and you realize that and you're failing pretty badly at damage control.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #229 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:06 am

what the fuck why is this wagon derailed

and why is rem using wisdom as the scapegoat for derailing it when he himself helped derail it

Human Destroyer · Post Post #233 (isolation #37) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:14 am

In post 230, Remembrance wrote:Excuse me?
In post 191, Remembrance wrote:Nope, I was stuck on the page you asked all those questions on, then I read the scum slip
, which I'm wondering about.

Let's see...

I call him on his scumslip

You jump on

The moment Wisdom calls bullshit, you unvote

That's scapegoaty and opportunistic as fuck

Human Destroyer · Post Post #235 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:15 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Remembrance

I want SE-Asians dead ASAP, but Rem's voting pattern is just

bad

.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #238 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:16 am

BECAUSE REM IS OPPORTUNISTIC AND SCAPEGOATY EITHER WAY

Human Destroyer · Post Post #240 (isolation #40) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:17 am

This is literally "Lynch SE-Asians and Remembrance in any order" now.

TAKE YOUR PICK FOLKS

Human Destroyer · Post Post #242 (isolation #41) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:17 am

In post 239, Remembrance wrote:@Pedit: How the fuck am I opportunistic?

Post 233

Don't be purposely obtuse

Human Destroyer · Post Post #243 (isolation #42) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:18 am

In post 241, Wisdom wrote:
In post 231, Bacde wrote:Maybe his initial phrasing could be understood as sarcasm

but sarcasm doesn't imply innocence

His
underlying motivation
behind his potentially not serious claim can not be understood from a town perspective

There's more to look at than just his post where he claimed VT

That's acceptable; if you wanna argue that he's scum for other reasons I am willing to listen. But the claim wasn't a slip.

It was though.

He is scummy for other reasons; it's somewhere in my catchup posts

Human Destroyer · Post Post #246 (isolation #43) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:25 am

In post 244, Wisdom wrote:
In post 240, Human Destroyer wrote:This is literally "Lynch SE-Asians and Remembrance in any order" now.

TAKE YOUR PICK FOLKS

Don't make me vote you.
Remembrance is town.

No. He's not town.

I don't do threats.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #252 (isolation #44) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:29 am

In post 249, Wisdom wrote:Remembrance had specifically stated that he doesn't believe the claim was a slip, and he voted him for other reasons. I don't see where you see opportunism.

Oh yes, so when someone mentions a point that refutes a different point than the one I made, I should totally unvote the person I'm pushing.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #253 (isolation #45) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:30 am

(and yes I'm talking about Rem in the 1st person there)

Human Destroyer · Post Post #255 (isolation #46) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:32 am

In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:he looked scummy as fuck in that game.

You're talking about Terrible Music Mafia?

I didn't think he did tbh.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #256 (isolation #47) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:36 am

In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:pondscum

I've seen you use this before, what does it mean?

IaI is scum, I agree.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #280 (isolation #48) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:11 am

In post 266, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 256, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:pondscum

I've seen you use this before, what does it mean?

IaI is scum, I agree.

you don't know what pondscum is? it is algae but lay people call it "pondscum". my mother grew up in the south.

I meant how does it apply to mafia? I know what the literal definition is

Human Destroyer · Post Post #288 (isolation #49) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:54 am

In post 286, pirate mollie wrote:@ hd: it is called an analogy. the analogy should be fairly obvious.

Oh I thought it had another definition or something. Nevermind then.

I see bork as more disinterested than scummy.

Other than that, no read changes so far.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SE-Asians

going back here for now though

Human Destroyer · Post Post #293 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:11 am

Actually no, there is a change

Town

Wisdom
pirate mollie
Bacde

Scum

SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent

So that leaves...

Nacho, mantis, Angelus, and kurur0 - haven't posted yet wtf
buldermar - seems too fixed on mollie for me to give him a real townread. This is a slot that I think could very easily be town though
bork - Still think he's done more things that portray a disinterested attitude than an actual scum outlook

Human Destroyer · Post Post #341 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:31 pm

Not to butt in to your "fantastic" conversation but

There's a difference between strategic, purposeful fakeclaims and godawfully retarded fakeclaims.

This was the latter.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #348 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 319, SE-Asians wrote:Allright, just woke up and WOAH 13 PAGES ALREADY?

Gonna check the hydra QT but for now noticing that our Indon friend has claimed VT and then IC. Disregard that: he says it was just for the lulz.

Oh, and if someone could give me a quick rundown of everyone else that would be glorious.

Dismissal of scummy claim as a joke

Asking others to do useless busywork for them

DIE SCUM

P-Edit: I HAVE pointed out other stuff. I've even said I've pointed out other stuff and told you to ISO me, but you completely ignored me when I said that.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #352 (isolation #53) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:36 pm

And if I haven't made it clear enough:

Weak backoff from Wisdom when pressed
Attempting to quash productive discussion, possibly out of fear
Soft pushing of Wisdom even after unvoting him
Doing nothing with their vote except weakly OMGUSing without any sort of push

Human Destroyer · Post Post #353 (isolation #54) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:(Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )

Add another point to the list:

Worried and thinking too much about image

Human Destroyer · Post Post #355 (isolation #55) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:41 pm

No, that's actually a pretty good tell. I got caught on it in 0 Percent Flavor Mafia.

Appeasement doesn't work nearly as well as a tell.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #357 (isolation #56) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:44 pm

In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:Ok what dafuq happened...

Uhm... Erm... Sorry for that outburst guys, I didn't even...

Anyways...

Is it just me or is bul sheeping HD to lynch us?
Not liking that at all.

Remembrance... I'm just not feeling this guy's town play yet.
Call it gut or meta or whatever you want but anyways...

Wisdom I'm not too keen on reading... But I'd say null-town for now

HD is totally town because gut feeling and town vibes (Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )
Or I could be wrong... Maybe scum trying to take advantage of our frustrations.

Everyone else needs to post more.

Again... Sorry for that outburst.

-Philippines

So let's see what we have here...

"Bul is sheeping he could be scum

I don't read Rem as town because gut and I have no evidence to back that up

Wisdom is null-town but I'm terrible at reading them so don't worry about it

HD is town because gut but he could be scum

No one else posts enough"

So...wishy-washy stances, weak mudslinging, and...just weak EVERYTHING

BZZZT

Human Destroyer · Post Post #359 (isolation #57) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:47 pm

Ugh, this again?

I don't really give a shit about meta right now, this slot is pretty objectively scummy, and you're continuously ignoring my points on said slot.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #361 (isolation #58) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:49 pm

Wishy-washiness is a scum tell; it's scum not wanting to step on anyone's toes.

In post 352, Human Destroyer wrote:And if I haven't made it clear enough:

Weak backoff from Wisdom when pressed

Attempting to quash productive discussion, possibly out of fear

Soft pushing of Wisdom even after unvoting him

Doing nothing with their vote except weakly OMGUSing without any sort of push

Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:(Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )

Add another point to the list:

Worried and thinking too much about image

*cough*

these too

Human Destroyer · Post Post #363 (isolation #59) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 361, Human Destroyer wrote:Wishy-washiness is a scum tell; it's scum not wanting to step on anyone's toes.

EBWOP: It's also scum wanting to keep their options open for later mislynches and bussing.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #364 (isolation #60) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:51 pm

In post 362, Wisdom wrote:Your last dot is also something that is null for tne.

worried and thinking too much about image?

that one's a definite scumtell, not a null tell

Human Destroyer · Post Post #368 (isolation #61) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:54 pm

Prove it then.

Here's my proof that it works. Now it's your turn.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #371 (isolation #62) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:55 pm

I don't see wishy-washiness in that game. Null read =/= wishy-washy. TNE appears to take strong stances on people's alignments in that game, at least in the bit I skimmed.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #375 (isolation #63) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:59 pm

In post 373, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 371, Human Destroyer wrote:I don't see wishy-washiness in that game. Null read =/= wishy-washy. TNE appears to take strong stances on people's alignments in that game, at least in the bit I skimmed.

Here's one

Nope.

This is literally the opposite of wishy-washiness. Again, takes stances throughout, doesn't go "Well, he could be town, but he could be scum"

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer, buldermar
buldermar (L-5): Wisdom, SE-Asians

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz, AngelusW, kuror0, pirate mollie, Remembrance, borkjerfkin,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Post Post #377 (isolation #64) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:02 pm

In post 376, SE-Asians wrote:Stop stopping at page 10 and read everything else

I did, I still don't see the wishy-washiness.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #378 (isolation #65) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:05 pm

Like, I understand you guys think TNE is scummy normally

But the tells I'm pointing out aren't the ones town-TNE committed.

So...what gives?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #381 (isolation #66) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:07 pm

In post 379, Wisdom wrote:
In post 345, buldermar wrote:
In post 340, Wisdom wrote:I believe mollie provided an example of Lincolm doing "retarded shit" as town.

I need a link to that game then if you don't mind.

I think it was this

Yes, he fakeclaimed in that game

But it was a gambit meant to confuse scum

That's not at all the same as a "sarcastic claim" that you guys are trying to push.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #385 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:11 pm

In post 352, Human Destroyer wrote:And if I haven't made it clear enough:

Weak backoff from Wisdom when pressed

Attempting to quash productive discussion, possibly out of fear

Soft pushing of Wisdom even after unvoting him

Doing nothing with their vote except weakly OMGUSing without any sort of push

1. Post 95, he just randomly drops the conversation with a vote plop back on his RVS.
2. Post 73, asks for meta discussion to stop.
3. This should be obvious, just look at his posts after he switched back to Remembrance. He continues to push you, but it lacks drive and motivation, and there's no vote to back it up.
4. Again, should be obvious, Lincolm votes me after I vote him with no real reason and doesn't even attempt to push me.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #386 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 384, Wisdom wrote:@HD No, I was referring to what mollie was saying about Lincolm being incompetent as town. With the blocking the freezing and stuff.

I thought we were talking in terms of claims. Y'know, which is the most relevant meta we could look at with Lincolm right now, since night actions won't matter until we actually reach night.

I was the best role evar that game though

Human Destroyer · Post Post #409 (isolation #69) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:39 pm

Mollie you still haven't answered my question about why you think buld is town. :/

Human Destroyer · Post Post #418 (isolation #70) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:55 pm

In post 416, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 384, Wisdom wrote:@HD No, I was referring to what mollie was saying about Lincolm being incompetent as town. With the blocking the freezing and stuff.

I am starting to think that you, bc and scummy borky are the only ones who actually read my posts

I have :c

You still haven't answered why you think Buldey is town beyond knowing him. I mean in a more specific way, why is he town.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #550 (isolation #71) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:00 am

Jesus MORE pages?!

Nacho's plan seems fine at first glance, will take a closer look after school

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer
buldermar (L-6): SE-Asians
borkjerfkin (L-6): pirate mollie
Remembrance (L-6): Wisdom
Bacde (L-6): Nachomamma8

Not Voting: Remembrance, mantisdreamz, AngelusW, kuror0, borkjerfkin, buldermar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Post Post #574 (isolation #72) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:53 am

In post 571, Bacde wrote:actually it hasn't

#563 made it pretty clear that you don't have a read on SE-Asians

In post 502, Nachomamma8 wrote:mollie is town, lincolm is town

Human Destroyer · Post Post #575 (isolation #73) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:54 am

In post 539, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 530, pirate mollie wrote:didn't post it cos it is a bit of a game breaker and I have mixed feelings on that

nacho have you played with this set-up before?

if we can break the setup, then let's break the setup
and that question is awkward to answer
ask me why later

I lol'd

Also yeah let's break this shit

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer
buldermar (L-6): SE-Asians
borkjerfkin (L-6): pirate mollie
Remembrance (L-6): Wisdom
Bacde (L-6): Nachomamma8

Not Voting: Remembrance, mantisdreamz, AngelusW, kuror0, borkjerfkin, buldermar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Post Post #587 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:10 am

TOWN

Wisdom
pirate mollie
Bacde

Nachomamma8
buldermar

SCUM

SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent

kurur0

New additions in bold

Human Destroyer · Post Post #591 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:12 am

first post and comes in with a weakass push on SE-Asians without a vote to back it up and a ridiculously fency read on Remembrance

Human Destroyer · Post Post #606 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:11 pm

Well just have doctors claim before cops

If no doctors claim don't have the cops claim

Human Destroyer · Post Post #609 (isolation #77) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:21 pm

Doctors can be WIFOMed (no kills and such)

Cops can't

Also forces scum to lock into a claim and deal with it

I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages

Human Destroyer · Post Post #711 (isolation #78) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:24 am

No soy un N1 PR

Human Destroyer · Post Post #741 (isolation #79) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:53 am

In post 736, Remembrance wrote:HD: Surprise, still having trouble. Still think Slandaar is awesome. He did miss something though, he never mentioned the fence sitting by Wisdom.

So I didn't mention something that didn't exist, and because, specifically, of that, I'm not a townread?

Human Destroyer · Post Post #841 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:11 am

TOWN

Nachomamma8

mantisdreamz

buldermar
pirate mollie
Bacde
Wisdom

SCUM

Remembrance
I am Innocent
SE-Asians

kuror0

NULL:

borkjerfkin (pending reread of slot)
AngelusW (no content posts)
kuror0 (pending reread of slot)

Game figured out.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #875 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:51 pm

In post 872, Nachomamma8 wrote:cool now why isn't bacde dead?

Because the scum team is SE-A/Rem/IaI

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer
buldermar (L-6): SE-Asians
borkjerfkin (L-6): pirate mollie
Bacde (L-6): Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Remembrance, AngelusW, kuror0, borkjerfkin, buldermar, Wisdom

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Post Post #878 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:00 am

No I have a town read on Bade

It also helps that Bacde-scum is only feasible with SE-A-town, which I don't think is likely

PS I hate phoneposting

Human Destroyer · Post Post #880 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:04 am

He could be but I think its likely hell get replaced by fate

Ill join the largest wagon of my scumreads, so yeah

Human Destroyer · Post Post #882 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:06 am

Oh right yeah

Well Angelus will get replaced by some other guy then I guess

Human Destroyer · Post Post #910 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:56 am

This is a generic message that says something along the lines of

V/LA from Friday night through Saturday

.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #913 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:04 am

In post 897, buldermar wrote:I'm not sold on the idea of Wisdom being town, but I don't have any particular post I can point to and say "look, he slipped here". I just don't like how he initially put in a ton of effort to save Asians and now is explicitly entertaining the idea of him being scum.

He did this in the last DoP game and I tunneled him hard for it.

We were both town.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #943 (isolation #87) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:32 pm

In post 936, Wisdom wrote:Remembrance is town this game. Fact.

No he isnt

Human Destroyer · Post Post #945 (isolation #88) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:33 pm

But I'm pretty sure he isnt

Human Destroyer · Post Post #946 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:34 pm

Also wisdom you need to stop chainsaw defending your scumspects

I know you do it as town but its still weird as shit

Human Destroyer · Post Post #948 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:45 pm

Bacde was town

Pushing Fate for not reading (?) is silly, I've seen him not read and vote as town.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1021 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:05 am

Your "scum tell" of Wisdom defending his scumreads is anulled by his meta

I've caught the scumteam now SHEEP ME FOOLS

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1023 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:08 am

Well if I'm reading his posts correctly he's going to bus the shit out of his scumbuddies, so he can stay alive for now

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1027 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:14 am

Dunno don't care

My townread on him means you have almost no chance of getting me to vote him

P-Edit: @Nacho

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1033 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:07 am

the only argument you could make at this point for one of my scumreads being wrong is how fucking quickly that wisdom wagon sprang up

in which case replace Rem with bork I suppose

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1103 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 1078, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 875, Human Destroyer wrote:Because the scum team is SE-A/Rem/IaI

holy shit this scumteam call is horrible
absolutely horrible

No, it's correct

I hope to have a chance to laugh at you about it later, I like laughing at you

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:54 am

flynching sounds fun

how do?

still seriously think previously mentioned players need all sorts of fiery deaths

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:01 pm

In post 1136, Remembrance wrote:Ask Bork why he has a town read on Fate.

Wat?

Why would I even need to ask this question from my POV?

Hell, if you're telling me to ask it, why aren't

you

asking it?

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:05 pm

In post 1137, Human Destroyer wrote:Why would I even need to ask this question from my POV?

I don't need you to give me things to do

I need you to answer my questions

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:15 pm

In post 1140, Remembrance wrote:Oh, it's because from my POV, you're probably 0/3 (at best 2/3).

No, answer the question.

Why do

I

need to know the answer to this question?

In post 1141, Wisdom wrote:HD, unless you're a 3-shot Day Cop you cannot be sure your 3 suspects are scum, and as such there is absolutely no reason to ignore all the other players and/or not ask questions to them. For all you know, you might be wrong about all 3 of your suspects.

Well obviously I'm a 3-shot Day Cop and should be believed in my entirety

I don't think I'm wrong on all 3; I also have backups should I be wrong on any particular read (not saying who, so don't ask).

And, again, I don't have any particular reason to want to know the answer to the question? I've had a townread on Bacde's slot, so y'know, this doesn't strike me as something I need to know.

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:25 pm

Nope.

Fate and Bacde are the same playerslot. Saying someone called them town "too quickly" if the replacement hasn't been townish (to you), but the original player has (to them), is inherently bullshit.

Why are you calling bork out on this but not me?

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:30 pm

Okay, now answer my question

Why would I, a person with a townread on Bacde/Fate, want to ask bork why he has a townread on him? What is this knowledge going to do for me that makes it so beneficial to me to ask this question?

This is the question you've dodged.

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 1147, borkjerfkin wrote:Yeah none of this shit from Remembrance is scum motivated. nor is it helpful, so I'm just kinda ignoring him.

...that said, you should be answering his questions if he asks them, unless it's so super important to keep these reasons of yours a secret, but why would that be even?

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 1149, Remembrance wrote:You do not have 7 votes

Make me a vote thief.

You say my noticed patterns are "objectively false". Show me how they are objectively false other than saying "I have a Town Role PM", then we'll talk.

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:38 pm

In post 1151, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 1148, Human Destroyer wrote:...that said, you should be answering his questions if he asks them, unless it's so super important to keep these reasons of yours a secret, but why would that be even?

Can't be bothered

No.

Answer his question.

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 1154, Remembrance wrote:Can you summarize and neatly lay out your case against me please? I can go through your posts again, but then I will have to summarize what I understand your argument to be and ask you if it is the correct one. It would be faster for you to do it clearly, so I can respond to it clearly and efficiently.

Not till you answer the question I posed (I.E. tell me why I am objectively incorrect)

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:07 am

In post 1275, Remembrance wrote:I'll Iso him and think about it.

Requestiong Prod of IaI

In post 1277, I Am Innocent wrote:-post-

^Active lurking scum

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:09 am

In post 1280, borkjerfkin wrote:Remembrance is town.

SE-Asians I still lean scum on for pretty much universally anti-town play. Other than that I can't tell wtf he's (they're?) even saying and tend not to read his posts.

Someone remind me of this post Day 2 if Asians, by some strange fluke, flips town.

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:10 am

Wisdom why are your recent posts so jumpy?

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:13 am

I've changed my mind on kuror0, they're town.

After Wisdom's recent posting, I could buy Wisdom-scum.

Post 1321-1323 is literal shit considering Wisdom's original stance (I think it was his?) of not lynching claimed N1 PRs.

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:21 am

Remembrance.

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:35 am

In post 1353, Wisdom wrote:What changed your read?

I'm not as sure if Rem + IaI are scum + scum interactions.

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:09 am

In post 1364, Fate wrote:last time I checked my wagon was bigger than yours

I guess replacing in really just shits on my motivation to play games and I should stop doing it

it's not, majiffy just sucks at counting

Human Destroyer · Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:00 am

When called, the scum appears!

I almost feel bad for poor Lincolm; his hydra buddies abandoned the doomed scum slot.

Human Destroyer · Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 1512, SE-Asians wrote:What?

I said "by some strange fluke" for a reason.

I don't think you're flipping town.

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:07 am

Well it is though

It's basically a terrible reason to join the wagon in order to get towncred when Asians should flip scum.

It's a bussing tell. Rem pulled one too.

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:08 am

Also Rem definitely wasn't joking around and was definitely dodging and deflecting my own questions

How is that scummy on my end again?

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:03 am

In post 1540, pirate mollie wrote:they have not tweaked my towndar not once. not even a little bit but have pretty much set up flares as far as scumtitude

Something about kuror0 was town, although I need a computer to find what I saw again

IaI I'm def up for

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:08 am

In post 1542, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1533, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 1521, Human Destroyer wrote:Well it is though

It's basically a terrible reason to join the wagon in order to get towncred when Asians should flip scum.

It's a bussing tell. Rem pulled one too.

Scum would have bussed after the VT & IC claims. My vote was before that. Try again buddy.

^
this post
.

I am thinking of bc's push on se and how when nacho came in he picked up on that but I would have to look to see if he ever pointed the bus out.

so what do you think fate, IaI

:townposting:

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:09 am

In post 1533, I Am Innocent wrote:So you take the guy defending Asians out of your scum reads instead of the guy who suspected Asians even before his ridiculous gambit?

Think man!

WIFOM ALERT

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:05 am

In post 1550, Fate wrote:SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Human Destroyer, kuror0
Nachomamma8 (L-6): pirate mollie
Wisdom (L-5): Fate, Nachomamma8
Fate (L-4): Remembrance, SE-Asians, Wisdom
Human Destroyer (L-6): mantisdreamz

Not Voting: RachMarie, buldermar, borkjerfkin

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Okay, let's see here:

Mollie and Mantis need to stop with the vanity wagons.

Out of all of these wagons, I will lynch SE-Asians or Wisdom, depending on which one will have enough support for the lynch. I will definitely consider the options of Remembrance or IaI if they gain votes as well.

I'm not touching a hair on anyone else.

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:13 am

Because, as I've stated at least 60 times, I had a townread on Bacde.

Basically, it boils down to "Fate would probably pull this not reading thing as either alignment so it's therefore a null tell"

Human Destroyer · Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:14 am

not to mention how every single one of my scumreads except IaI is on the wagon.

:l

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:28 am

actually it might

what's iai at?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:29 am

oh nvm then

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:31 am

if you people seriously are going to let a hydra who fucking lurked out of their own wagon not get lynched

i'll compromise to Wisdom

i refuse to take part in the Fate lynch

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:43 am

In post 1615, Wisdom wrote:@HD
Remind me why you townreaded Bacde.

his posting was genuine as fuck iirc
also i had scumreads on the near entirety of his wagon

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:48 am

In post 1622, Wisdom wrote:@HD
Your scumreads on his wagon do not constitute a townread on him, since you may be wrong about the scumreads or scum might be bussing.
But quote some of his posts that you read as genuine please.

when 3 scumreads are on the wagon?
hahano

im on phone right now, will remind myself of which posts where genuine later

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:01 am

In post 11, Bacde wrote:@HD hello <3

@Remembrance I'm too nervous to answer your question

In post 14, Bacde wrote:
In post 13, Remembrance wrote:...VOTE: Bacde

oh fuck did I already scumslip?!

In post 16, Bacde wrote:SHIT SHIT SHIT

ABORT ABORT

In post 129, Bacde wrote:woah, this thread grew fast

I'm glad to see that my abort freakout didn't phase anyone

from what I've read so far, Remembrence seems town and pirate mollie is super town

btw I'm town remembrence, I was just joking with you

oh right this is what I'm thinking of

he's too comfortable and relaxed in doing this to be scum; scum is too worried about looking town to joke around about themselves being scum

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:02 am

Alright, now that I'm on a computer

Who wants to be ever so kind as to tell me what the town motivation of a

3 person hydra

lurking out of their own wagon and letting the attention fall to Fate and Wisdom, be my guest.

If you don't have a good reason...now's the time to vote SE-Asians.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:03 am

In post 1637, Wisdom wrote:@HD
Have you played with Bacde-scum before?

Banjo Kazooie Mafia

but to be fair he replaced in

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:05 am

In post 1639, Wisdom wrote:Do you think Bacde isn't capable of being relaxed as scum?

I don't think he is.
I went back and looked at Banjo Kazooie Mafia for the heck of it...and nowhere does he really fart around and crack jokes like this; mostly he just talks about how awesome and town he is.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:07 am

In post 1636, Human Destroyer wrote:Alright, now that I'm on a computer

Who wants to be ever so kind as to tell me what the town motivation of a
3 person hydra
lurking out of their own wagon and letting the attention fall to Fate and Wisdom, be my guest.

If you don't have a good reason...now's the time to vote SE-Asians.

Repeating for emphasis

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:08 am

In post 1647, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1641, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1639, Wisdom wrote:Do you think Bacde isn't capable of being relaxed as scum?

I don't think he is.
I went back and looked at Banjo Kazooie Mafia for the heck of it...and nowhere does he really fart around and crack jokes like this; mostly he just talks about how awesome and town he is.

This thing that you "go and look at games" in 2 minutes really is weird.
I bet you don't.

I'm a fast reader, especially if I'm just looking at one player

Go look for yourself

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:09 am

your discrediting of me is appreciated though <3

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:13 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

I want SE-Asians head on a platter tomorrow.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:13 am

*heads

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:15 am

Fuck no they're like my untouchable super townreads

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:17 am

In post 1663, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1660, Human Destroyer wrote:Fuck no they're like my untouchable super townreads

We don't care about your townreads, scum need to be lynched.

townreads are just as important as scumread yo

poe and shit

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:18 am

In post 1666, Remembrance wrote:COME ON. SCUM WISDOM IS REFUSING TO LYNCH IAI OR EVEN TRY TO MOVE IT THAT WAY EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT SAVE HIM. NOT SCUM WISDOM.

Incorrect.

There isn't enough support for IaI.

Fate is pretty much his only shot.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:19 am

WAIT HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE

In post 1659, Wisdom wrote:Please don't lynch SE-Asians tomorrow.

Why not?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:21 am

Why is SE-Asians likely town?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:23 am

In post 1673, Wisdom wrote:I have answered that earlier, you are not such a good reader after all.

if you'd really said it, you would've linked it
if you actually had a townread, you wouldn'tve just thrown a shitty discredit on me like this

this is a scum reaction to my question

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:23 am

*a townread on me

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:26 am

In post 1678, Wisdom wrote:What discredit are you talking about?

The one where you said I can't have been reading everything; it implies my reads are unreliable. If you were town thinking I was town, that's not what you would say.

In post 1678, Wisdom wrote:And why would I link? You are supposed to have read it when I posted it.

Because town wants to convince their townreads to work with them. Which you're doing the exact opposite of.

You're dodging. Post the link if you've actually said it, if not, SAY IT

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:43 am

In post 1680, Wisdom wrote:Eh no, I just thought that you aren't actually reading the games that you say you're reading. Or that you're just skimming them without getting any actual info. I didn't want to imply that this made you less town or anything.

I see no reason to try and convince you that SE-Asians is town because you're tunneling and you won't be convinced until you see him flip. I have pointed out that I started finding him town because of his exchange with Remembrance, which looked genuine to me.

And no, I'm not dodging anything.

Read the exchange, looks easily faked on SE-Asians' part at the very least. Rem might be townish for it though.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:54 am

In post 1718, Wisdom wrote:mollie, since you're "compromising", explain why I am a better lynch than Fate please.

counter: explain why fate's a better lynch than you

being useless is not a reason

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:04 am

Mollie, we may be able to push this SE-Asians wagon yet

Wanna try?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:05 am

^strawman

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:33 am

In post 1767, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1764, pirate mollie wrote:and I also have posted further about it

Yeah, you have posted that Wisdom is scum because he cannot get scumreads easily like basically almost everyone else in the game.

this is still a strawman

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:34 am

In post 1771, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1769, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1767, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1764, pirate mollie wrote:and I also have posted further about it

Yeah, you have posted that Wisdom is scum because he cannot get scumreads easily like basically almost everyone else in the game.

this is still a strawman

this is still HD being wrong and useless.

this is still wisdom trying and failing to pretend he's town

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:35 am

And y'know...it is a strawman.

Mollie said your reads were conveniently tailored to the situation, and you said she was complaining about your early lack of scumreads.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:35 am

In post 1774, Wisdom wrote:Can't pretend when I actually am.

fake x100

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:39 am

In post 1780, Wisdom wrote:lol HD, I wonder how many times you need to tunnel on me to understand you can't read me.

well y'know

since your entire method this game has been discrediting your townreads, something that doesn't make sense from a town perspective

it means they aren't genuine

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:47 am

In post 1771, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1769, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1767, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1764, pirate mollie wrote:and I also have posted further about it

Yeah, you have posted that Wisdom is scum because he cannot get scumreads easily like basically almost everyone else in the game.

this is still a strawman

this is still HD being wrong and useless.

This is a big one, for starters.

Rather than attempting to show me why I'm wrong, you simply ad-hom it. You use it to discredit me so my voice holds less weight.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:47 am

also I think we broke the forum before lol

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:54 am

In post 1794, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1791, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1771, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1769, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1767, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1764, pirate mollie wrote:and I also have posted further about it

Yeah, you have posted that Wisdom is scum because he cannot get scumreads easily like basically almost everyone else in the game.

this is still a strawman

this is still HD being wrong and useless.

This is a big one, for starters.

Rather than attempting to show me why I'm wrong, you simply ad-hom it. You use it to discredit me so my voice holds less weight.

Because as I said, there's no fixing tunneled HD. If I've seen you don't understand you're wrong even after wall wars, why bother?

Nice dodge.

Rather than defending yourself, you just sorta say "Well lol you're tunneling I can't fix it and that makes ad-homming okay!"

Nope.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:00 am

In post 1803, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1726, Human Destroyer wrote:Mollie, we may be able to push this SE-Asians wagon yet

Wanna try?

I am seriously scum reading wisdom here though

I want nacho's read on the sora head. didn't you play terrible music mafia too? rach did but she died n1 and I am not sure if she kept up with the game

Yeah I did but I don't remember enough of it to form a solid read

I played with him in Timeshift Mafia though, and lurk-lurk-don't say anything too conclusive seems to be his scum style.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:03 am

Wisdom, I think we did lol

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:04 am

kinda ironic that the top one before was a majiffy game too

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:06 am

open 465 I think

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:08 am

AngelusW 2013-04-02 22:04:52 9 days 19 hours 1

Best poster ITT.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:20 am

Mollie, Buldermar, let's form a town block

We'll be fucking unstoppable

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:23 am

I reject Rem

Why not mollie

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:24 am

In post 1846, Wisdom wrote:Just don't listen to HD too much.

:scumposting:

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:26 am

he's not calling me scum

he's just trying to discredit my reads lmao

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:28 am

In post 1853, buldermar wrote:
In post 1845, Human Destroyer wrote:I reject Rem

Why not mollie

I think mollie is attempting to push a Wisdom lynch for stupid reasons.

Why not rem?

because I don't see the arguments for why he's town to be honest
I think there was one thing I brought up where I was like "Okay, maybe a little townish? Kinda? Sorta?" but nothing that rocked my socks.

I'll accept anyone in {bork, Nacho, kuro, mantis?, mollie, Fate}

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:34 am

In post 1863, Remembrance wrote:@Wisdom just fucking approved of a town block. What scum does that? WHAT SCUM DOES THAT.

ones that are pretty much dead anyway

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:35 am

In post 1867, Wisdom wrote:I love how you've killed me off already

I have 4 votes, 3 of which are silent so ya

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:37 am

4 person town block

This is going to be badass

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:38 am

In post 1856, buldermar wrote:
In post 1852, Human Destroyer wrote:he's not calling me scum

he's just trying to discredit my reads lmao

I don't think it's even remotedly as bad as you're insinuating. I think you're confirmation biased at the moment - just like you were with Asians. Not saying that Wis or Asians are necessarily town, but I think you're just interpreting everything as if it's scummy atm from them.

What do you think of Wisdom's blatant misrepping of Mollie?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:39 am

In post 1875, Majiffy wrote:
SE-Asians (L-5): I Am Innocent, kuror0
Wisdom (L-3): Fate, Nachomamma8, pirate mollie, Human Destroyer
Fate (L-3): SE-Asians, Wisdom, borkjerfkin, buldermar
I Am Innocent (L-6): Remembrance

Not Voting: RachMarie, mantisdreamz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

YOU MADE IT TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE

CONGRATULATIONS

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:48 am

SORRY I MEANT STRAWMANNING

In post 1884, buldermar wrote:
In post 1876, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1856, buldermar wrote:
In post 1852, Human Destroyer wrote:he's not calling me scum

he's just trying to discredit my reads lmao

I don't think it's even remotedly as bad as you're insinuating. I think you're confirmation biased at the moment - just like you were with Asians. Not saying that Wis or Asians are necessarily town, but I think you're just interpreting everything as if it's scummy atm from them.

What do you think of Wisdom's blatant misrepping of Mollie?

I don't see it. Is it any one specific post? Because then I'll read it if you link me to it.

In post 1724, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1615, Wisdom wrote:IaI prolly isn't scum, Remembrance. What you're accusing him of can be done by stubborn town too.

@HD
Remind me why you townreaded Bacde.

the biggest thing I have against you is that have pretty much called everyone town whenever a bw forms. according to you, se is town, mantis, I was until I voted you, rememory is and I am sure all the rest of the players are. I think fluidity is generally a town tell, but yours seems to conveniently change depending on who is around at the time. other than that I had you as town and I still waffle. but that big thing is really a BIG THING

Mollie calls Wisdom out by saying he conveniently calls people town when bandwagons form on those people.

In post 1727, Wisdom wrote:@mollie
That thing is bullshit, because as I've said multiple times it's not easy to get scumreads this game. It's not only me who's having difficulties getting reads.

Wisdom responds by saying he's having difficulty getting scumreads, thereby somehow nullifying her point about his reads being convenient? Ahaha no.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:55 am

Something that would've explained why his reads weren't as convenient as mollie is saying they are? A better explanation of how he formed his reads? His point has literally

nothing

to do with mollie's, but he made it out to be that way.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:00 am

In post 1905, buldermar wrote:
In post 1899, Human Destroyer wrote:Something that would've explained why his reads weren't as convenient as mollie is saying they are? A better explanation of how he formed his reads? His point has literally
nothing
to do with mollie's, but he made it out to be that way.

Well... personally I was thinking that it isn't so weird not to have many strong scum reads in a game filled with experienced players. And to be fair nobody asked him specifically why he finds it difficult IIRC. Idk, maybe you're on to something, I just don't find it that convincing.

You're missing the point.

I don't think him saying he's having trouble forming scum reads is scummy. I think that using it as a way to call mollie's point bullshit IS scummy though.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:05 am

Majiffy try this

(expired on 2013-04-13 09:30:00)

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:06 am

er

(expired on 2013-04-13 21:30:00)

wrong 9:30

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:08 pm

In post 1931, Mantisdreamz wrote:VOTE: SE Asians

fate & wisdom seem town. fate less so, but still to a point. i think SE-Asians responses to Remembrance seem pretty town... but at the same time, if he's left until end game, i think we're going to become increasingly paranoid about his previous claims of VT and then IC.

Oh, NOW you want to lynch SE-Asians

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:18 pm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SE-Asians

FINALLY

Gawd it's like pulling teeth with you folks

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:33 pm

In post 1950, SE-Asians wrote:Please don't let HD around with townread. He said he is sure I'm scum, but he still can said with strange fluke I'm going to flip as town and vote Wisdom? What kind of fluke is that, I have role and it's never change! He is trying to make a case on Bork in D2 when I flip as town. And he didn't provide any reason to vote Wisdom except at latter. He only want to lynch.

Do you know what a fluke is? I think this is a language barrier issue.

If I "only want to lynch" as you put it, do tell why I've flat out refused to vote for at least half the playerlist, including Fate, the leading wagon at the time?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:34 pm

In post 1950, SE-Asians wrote:K, I'm not support any Wisdom and Fate lynch. I don't see any big cases maybe Wisdom is scum or Fate is scum except by his jumpy read, I consider it as laziness. So, Unvote

Last nail in the coffin.

===[]

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:35 pm

In post 1951, Human Destroyer wrote:Do you know what a fluke is? I think this is a language barrier issue.

If you don't...I think you're scum, but a fluke would be the 0.01% chance you're scum

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:37 pm

In post 1953, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1951, Human Destroyer wrote:Do you know what a fluke is? I think this is a language barrier issue.

If you don't...I think you're scum, but a fluke would be the 0.01% chance you're scum

last word should be town

ugh i need sleep badly

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:40 pm

In post 1955, Remembrance wrote:Scum would never say this. he is guaranteeing his lynch by saying this.

¿Repites en inglés por favor?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 1957, SE-Asians wrote:
In post 1951, Human Destroyer wrote:If I "only want to lynch" as you put it, do tell why I've flat out refused to vote for at least half the playerlist, including Fate, the leading wagon at the time?

Because Fate is your townread. You just don't get your own read, do you?

In post 1953, Human Destroyer wrote:If you don't...I think you're scum, but a fluke would be the 0.01% chance you're scum

Yeah, you try to make a case in Bork after I flip as town. No way you're town.

Lynch this guy tomorrow.

Why is your vote nowhere?

You said my entire goal today is to get a lynch...except I'm lynching inside a very specific group of my own devise and not compromising outside of it.

And yes, I (shock and horror) analyze the reactions of players to other players based on flips. What a shock!

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:53 pm

In post 1961, Remembrance wrote:I will translate:

1. he will not vote Fate or Wisdom. So he is auto-lynched.
2. He is offering to vote himself: So he is auto-lynched.
3. He is asking us to lynch him: So he is auto-lynched.
4. No one is having trouble voting him, including scum: So he is autolynched.
5. He is telling us what to do tomorrow: Which scum don't do because it is all Wifom once they flip.Which means he is banking on the fact that he read his role pm right, which was: "Town this game"
6. Your cases against him have been broken down, including your initial misinterpretation. The only thing you have left is that he is lurking. Which is simply untrue, since he had a test and I don't see why he would lie about it. His hydra buddies have been out right neglectful to him, but whatever.
7. Furtherance of explanation of Fate or Wisdom point. If he were scum, he would build a case on Fate and be done with it. Instead he stands by his Wisdom town read, and reads Fate as town (To his own disadvantage).

my cases havent actually been broken down; theyve just been ignored

theyre still sitting there in my iso somewhere, if you can ctrl+f a bullet point somehow you could find it

also this is basically a shitton of WIFOM

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:40 pm

Official Notice: Mantis is most certainly not scum with SE-Asians

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:45 pm

In post 1998, RachMarie wrote:HD whats up with you? You are not your usual level of bulldog tunnel aggressive and often posting?

I think I am

if you mean just now...it's 6:45 in the morning

SE-Asians (L-3): I Am Innocent, kuror0, RachMarie, HumanDestroyer
Wisdom (L-4): Fate, Nachomamma8, pirate mollie
Fate (L-4): Wisdom, borkjerfkin, buldermar
I Am Innocent (L-6): Remembrance

Not Voting: SE-Asians, mantisdreamz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:52 pm

In post 2001, RachMarie wrote:Not dodging...

At first I kinda thought that yes, but later his posting seems to get worse... He is definitely not someone I want to see in LYLO...

For some odd reason and this is just gut for now not a read since I do not yet have a case..... Might be good to investigate him....

HD does not feel like the usual HD that I am used to. He might be scum....

no not just now overall in this game you just have not been the usual self...

you mean like my entire...what, 60 pages of tunneling SE-Asians isn't my usual self?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:53 pm

In post 1235, RachMarie wrote:HD is being HD he his like a bulldog with a bone with his tunneling, even when he is off base and tunneling town. Feels so far like his town play that I am familiar with though, will keep on reading.

Scum lean.

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:55 pm

In post 2008, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1235, RachMarie wrote:HD is being HD he his like a bulldog with a bone with his tunneling, even when he is off base and tunneling town. Feels so far like his town play that I am familiar with though, will keep on reading.

Scum lean.

To clarify: at first she thinks I'm playing to my town meta...but then completely reverses that and says I'm not? Huh?

Human Destroyer · Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:57 pm

In post 2013, RachMarie wrote:Wisdom are you really goona try this again though I am not a N1 PR this time.... Bah tomorrow I promise more content and a claim tomorrow that is the plan right?

well you have dropped way down in activity since then thats why HD.

not really

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:06 am

win condition

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:23 am

In post 2034, Wisdom wrote:Votes on Rach please.
HD - Do you agree that if Rach is indeed scum, SE most likely isn't because of Rach's vote?

No.

See, there's this thing called bussing.

In post 2035, buldermar wrote:
In post 1948, Human Destroyer wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: SE-Asians

FINALLY

Gawd it's like pulling teeth with you folks

I think you're making a mistake. Additionally, why exactly did you suggest a town voting block? I don't see its function given what you're currently doing.

Well see it'd work if we could all agree.
But right now it doesn't seem like we can for whatever reason.
Also tbh it's because town voting blocks are cool and I wanted to be in one

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:24 am

In post 2040, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2039, Human Destroyer wrote:No.

See, there's this thing called bussing.

And why would she bus at that point of time where she could vote me or Fate?

towncred

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:29 am

In post 2043, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2041, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 2040, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2039, Human Destroyer wrote:No.

See, there's this thing called bussing.

And why would she bus at that point of time where she could vote me or Fate?

towncred

You don't get it.
Fate and myself fight about who will get lynched.
RachMarie comes and revives the SE-Asians wagon.
Why would a scumpartner do such a thing when a mislynch is so close?

because said mislynch might cost Rach her life if her vote was viewed as opportunistic (which it probably would be)
hence it makes more sense to vote the scumbuddy and get the towncred

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:30 am

In post 2044, buldermar wrote:
In post 1963, Human Destroyer wrote:also this is basically a shitton of WIFOM

Everything in this game except for votes that lead to actual lynches boils down to WIFOM.

not really

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:31 am

oh crap majiffy got it

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:32 am

at this rate we're going to hit the large game largest day 1 record too lol

Human Destroyer · Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:33 am

Oh and just noticed

MAJIFFY THERE IS A SPACE IN MY NAME, PLS RESPECT IT THX