Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)
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In post 5, Remembrance wrote:@HumanDestroyer, sum up your play style.
Murderous, hit-or-miss tunneler.
Why do you ask?
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In post 8, Remembrance wrote:@Destroyer, followed a few of your games and had difficulty figuring out if you were scum or town. In general, a basic guideline will help me figure you out.
If you were following my games...wouldn't you know my general playstyle?
Majiffy wrote:In post 4, Human Destroyer wrote:I think Majiffy gave me this flavor on purpose >.<
It just kind of ended up that way with a lot of people and I don't really know how.
Yeah but I'm going to blame you because you're the mod and I can :>Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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@Bacde: Are you ever going to start off a game with me without claiming scum.
@Wisdom: You try too hard.
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@Wisdom: Why did you ask a loaded question to Remembrance in Post 33?
@buldermar: I haven't read past Page 2, but are you going to contribute more than mollie's gender?
@Remembrance: Do you normally read people in a way mostly based in meta?Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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@Remembrance: Why would people be RVSing on Page 3? Don't you think that's kinda late to be RVSing? I don't like your differing treatments of borkjerfkin and buldermar. It seems like a baseless double standard that doesn't fit.
Wisdom is probably town for the whole line of Remembrance questioning; I particularly like Post 61.
@SE-Asians: Why are you asking for meta discussion to stop?
@Mollie: Why is buldermar town?
@buldermar: Where's your follow-through? (If it's on a later page, don't answer, I'll get to it)Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 135, Wisdom wrote:In post 134, Human Destroyer wrote:
@Wisdom: Why did you ask a loaded question to Remembrance in Post 33?
Because that's what it looked like. Out of 12 people, he specifically picked you to ask questions.
Why did you load the question then? You certainly didn't have to, and it was technically a question already answered in Post 8.Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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@Remembrance: Why are you overpushing the "Bacde is scum because he's nervous" point?
@Mollie's Post 82: Pretty sure Remembrance was talking about the townread, lol.
@SE-Asians: Why does Post 83 contradict itself? Do you have a serious reason, or is it random? It can only be one or the other. Also, why are you voting Wisdom, and why do you back off of him so quickly?Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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@Remembrance: Be honest, are you SE-Asians' scumbuddy? Because Post 101 is blech, Post 107 is even more blech, and lastly, we have Post 111, which is a horribly weak reason for a townread. Also, why haven't you reasked the question of why mollie townreads buldermar in a clearer fashion?
Mollie is town for the line of questioning with SE-Asians.
SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 137, Wisdom wrote:^bad post
Yeah I agree.
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This isn't enough reads, I need morrrrrrrrreAre you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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I don't think meta is a particularly good indicator of alignment, but I can see why people are discussing it and your quashing of said discussion looks like you're afraid of someone meta-reading you as scum.
Why do you want to move Wisdom's attention away from Remembrance?
Your backoff from Wisdom is so, so, SO weak, and clearly people were getting reads out of the discussion, so it wasn't pointless and you backing off is really bad.
IAI could certainly bus you; his reasoning is weak and could work perfectly well as a quick towncred grab for your scumflip.
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In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 148, buldermar wrote:
What, you don't think her gender is important?In post 134, Human Destroyer wrote:@buldermar: I haven't read past Page 2, but are you going to contribute more than mollie's gender?
Not to the game, no.
In post 150, buldermar wrote:In post 142, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 137, Wisdom wrote:^bad post
Yeah I agree.
Town
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This isn't enough reads, I need morrrrrrrrre
Why is mollie town?
In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:Page 5:
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Mollie is town for the line of questioning with SE-Asians.
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If you need specific post numbers, I'm talking about Post 109 and, more importantly, Post 115.Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:I can see why people are discussing it and your quashing of said discussion looks like you're afraid of someone meta-reading you as scum.
I do Hydra. Is this an accuse or what? You can see why people are discussing but can't see the fact I'm hydra? Why i should afraid with someone meta-reading when he read other person?
Yes I understand you are a hydra. However, the individual members of a hydra CAN be read using meta (to an extent). And yes, that is an accusation.
In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:Why do you want to move Wisdom's attention away from Remembrance?
I said I want to have Wisdom's attention. When I said I want to remove Wisdom's attention? Really, why you should have attention to 1 person when you have 3 persons to deal with?
I thought you said "He was paying too much attention to Remembrance, so I'm trying to move his attention to more places." Why does he need to focus on more than one person on a time? We only have 1 lynch anyways.
In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:Your backoff from Wisdom is so, so, SO weak, and clearly people were getting reads out of the discussion, so it wasn't pointless and you backing off is really bad.
Dudeeeeeeee... Did you read my posts, really? Do I need to quote all of my post? Here, have some read.
In post 122, SE-Asians wrote:A ask B why C is bad, B answered because C is bad guy, so A asked B again, but B answered the same answer again...
Go ahead. Tell me where it wasn't pointless.
See, but you're asking questions that there's no good answer to. You're asking "Hey, why are you asking for Remembrance's read on me?" which the correct answer is "Because I want to know his read." It's not a useful question in the first place, so it's unsurprising you'd get a slightly snarky answer.
In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:IAI could certainly bus you; his reasoning is weak and could work perfectly well as a quick towncred grab for your scumflip.
Oh yeah, towncreed. When there is scumflip everyone will vote, there is no way someone gain towncreed. Your logic flawed, try again.
There's nothing flawed about my logic. Not everyone is going to vote for scum.
In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 144, Human Destroyer wrote:If you don't know my reasons for reading each person, you're being a very selective reader.
Maybe I am, because I don't see any reason why Wisdom and Mollie are town. Your read is from your side. I do see why Remembrance is town, but you said Remembrance is scum. So you accuse someone who have different read with you? Another flawed logic. Try again.
Well if you're going to strawman my accusation of Remembrance, that's cool too. I specifically said I found his reasons to be weak and bad. If he had good reason to townread you, I'd be okay with it.
Try reading again, this time looking for the parts where I called each of my two townreads town.
In post 151, SE-Asians wrote:In post 145, Human Destroyer wrote:Also:
In post 141, Human Destroyer wrote:SE-Asians, why are you pushing the whole idea of "Wisdom is question-dodging" while at the same time removing your vote, relieving pressure?
Sorry for forget about this. I don't have any reason to vote him. He already proved me wrong, so? should I stay my vote in him?
If you think he's question-dodging scummily...yes.
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In post 153, SE-Asians wrote:In post 152, Human Destroyer wrote:If you need specific post numbers, I'm talking about Post 109 and, more importantly, Post 115.
Okay, I'm lurking for now. Enough with this shit.
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In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Yes I understand you are a hydra. However, the individual members of a hydra CAN be read using meta (to an extent). And yes, that is an accusation.
Do you know the fact that Wisdom metaing Remembrance? Good. Now, you should have better accusation. You're contradicting with your own post.
...? I haven't contradicted anything I've said at all. People were talking about meta, and you sought to quash the discussion. Therefore, my immediate logic is that you're afraid of something in the conversation. Probably that they'll say something about your meta that'll lead to you being scum.
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:I thought you said "He was paying too much attention to Remembrance, so I'm trying to move his attention to more places." Why does he need to focus on more than one person on a time? We only have 1 lynch anyways.
"I like to have mislynch every time". Yeah, you like it.
What?
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:See, but you're asking questions that there's no good answer to. You're asking "Hey, why are you asking for Remembrance's read on me?" which the correct answer is "Because I want to know his read." It's not a useful question in the first place, so it's unsurprising you'd get a slightly snarky answer.
The fact, he can answered my second question well.
In post 127, Wisdom wrote:Why am I interested in Remembrance's read? Because I am trying to read Remembrance.
Sorry, you aren't read all of those posts but accuse me.
Again, what? He said he's asking the question to Remembrance to assist him in reading Remembrance. That's an entirely sensical answer.
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:There's nothing flawed about my logic. Not everyone is going to vote for scum.
Oh yes, when there is scumslip, I will not vote. Good logic. Try again.
Except scum aren't usually caught on scumslips; they're usually caught by the motives behind their actions. Sometimes, people don't see said motives and read the guy who's getting lynched as town.
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Well if you're going to strawman my accusation of Remembrance, that's cool too. I specifically said I found his reasons to be weak and bad. If he had good reason to townread you, I'd be okay with it.
Try reading again, this time looking for the parts where I called each of my two townreads town.
So, "Your read is bad read because I tell my reason to you. My read is good read because I'm not telling my reason to you". Good accusation. Try again.
No, I said Remembrance's read was bad becausehisreasons were bad. Are you being purposely obtuse?
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:If you think he's question-dodging scummily...yes.
Pathetic... Did I already said he was too concentrate with Remembrance? I never said he question-dodging. I never said he is scummy or scum. I said he kept distance from me. Good accusation. Try again.
Straight up lie found:
In post 116, SE-Asians wrote:Wisdom is question dodging again like always...
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 154, Human Destroyer wrote:Do you have other scumreads? If so, why aren't you voting them?
Looking an accusation for me? Like I give a shit to your logic, scum. You want a vote? Here, have mine.Vote : HDLooked like an OMGUS? Should I care? Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.
Right, come back when you have a real reason as to why I'm scum. And, yes, it is OMGUS, since you don't have any reason to call me scum. In addition, why would you claim so early?
In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:In post 157, Human Destroyer wrote:I think it's townish, particularly if SE-Asians is scum, because scum-molliewould have left it hang with the bad answer and not have bothered to follow through from lack of motivation to scumhunt.
In post 158, buldermar wrote:I don't think scum-molliewould have left it hang with the bad answer, as you put it...
You are proofing my word about meta.
I didn't use meta, buldermar did. My read is based purely on this game.
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In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.
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In post 167, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.
This is an open setup with no Vanilla Townies.
Lincolm, why are you ignoring this
I just caught you on a pretty major slip up
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um yes I did read your post?
how could I have responded to it without reading it, that doesn't make sense
Vote Count:
SE-Asians (L-3): Human Destroyer, pirate mollie, I Am Innocent, Bacde
Bacde (L-5): Remembrance, Wisdom
Not Voting: Nachomamma8, mantisdreamz, buldermar, borkjerfkin, AngelusW, kuror0, SE-Asians
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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In post 167, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 159, SE-Asians wrote:Here, you will like my claim. VT. You can easily mislynch me.
This is an open setup with no Vanilla Townies.
What, no response to this Remembrance?
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In post 230, Remembrance wrote:Excuse me?In post 191, Remembrance wrote:Nope, I was stuck on the page you asked all those questions on, then I read the scum slip, which I'm wondering about.
Let's see...
I call him on his scumslip
You jump on
The moment Wisdom calls bullshit, you unvote
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Remembrance
I want SE-Asians dead ASAP, but Rem's voting pattern is justbad.Last edited by Majiffy on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 239, Remembrance wrote:@Pedit: How the fuck am I opportunistic?
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In post 241, Wisdom wrote:In post 231, Bacde wrote:Maybe his initial phrasing could be understood as sarcasm
but sarcasm doesn't imply innocence
Hisbehind his potentially not serious claim can not be understood from a town perspectiveunderlying motivation
There's more to look at than just his post where he claimed VT
That's acceptable; if you wanna argue that he's scum for other reasons I am willing to listen. But the claim wasn't a slip.
It was though.
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In post 244, Wisdom wrote:In post 240, Human Destroyer wrote:This is literally "Lynch SE-Asians and Remembrance in any order" now.
TAKE YOUR PICK FOLKS
Don't make me vote you.
Remembrance is town.
No. He's not town.
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In post 249, Wisdom wrote:Remembrance had specifically stated that he doesn't believe the claim was a slip, and he voted him for other reasons. I don't see where you see opportunism.
Oh yes, so when someone mentions a point that refutes a different point than the one I made, I should totally unvote the person I'm pushing.
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In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:he looked scummy as fuck in that game.
You're talking about Terrible Music Mafia?
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In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:pondscum
I've seen you use this before, what does it mean?
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In post 266, pirate mollie wrote:In post 256, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 254, pirate mollie wrote:pondscum
I've seen you use this before, what does it mean?
IaI is scum, I agree.
you don't know what pondscum is? it is algae but lay people call it "pondscum". my mother grew up in the south.
I meant how does it apply to mafia? I know what the literal definition isAre you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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In post 286, pirate mollie wrote:@ hd: it is called an analogy. the analogy should be fairly obvious.
Oh I thought it had another definition or something. Nevermind then.
I see bork as more disinterested than scummy.
Other than that, no read changes so far.
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VOTE: SE-Asians
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Actually no, there is a change
Town
Wisdom
pirate mollie
Bacde
Scum
SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent
So that leaves...
Nacho, mantis, Angelus, and kurur0 - haven't posted yet wtf
buldermar - seems too fixed on mollie for me to give him a real townread. This is a slot that I think could very easily be town though
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In post 319, SE-Asians wrote:Allright, just woke up and WOAH 13 PAGES ALREADY?
Gonna check the hydra QT but for now noticing that our Indon friend has claimed VT and then IC. Disregard that: he says it was just for the lulz.
Oh, and if someone could give me a quick rundown of everyone else that would be glorious.
Dismissal of scummy claim as a joke
Asking others to do useless busywork for them
DIE SCUM
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In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:(Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )
Add another point to the list:
- Worried and thinking too much about image
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In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:Ok what dafuq happened...
Uhm... Erm... Sorry for that outburst guys, I didn't even...
Anyways...
Is it just me or is bul sheeping HD to lynch us?
Not liking that at all.
Remembrance... I'm just not feeling this guy's town play yet.
Call it gut or meta or whatever you want but anyways...
Wisdom I'm not too keen on reading... But I'd say null-town for now
HD is totally town because gut feeling and town vibes (Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )
Or I could be wrong... Maybe scum trying to take advantage of our frustrations.
Everyone else needs to post more.
Again... Sorry for that outburst.
-Philippines
So let's see what we have here...
"Bul is sheeping he could be scum
I don't read Rem as town because gut and I have no evidence to back that up
Wisdom is null-town but I'm terrible at reading them so don't worry about it
HD is town because gut but he could be scum
No one else posts enough"
So...wishy-washy stances, weak mudslinging, and...just weak EVERYTHING
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Wishy-washiness is a scum tell; it's scum not wanting to step on anyone's toes.
In post 352, Human Destroyer wrote:And if I haven't made it clear enough:
- Weak backoff from Wisdom when pressed
- Attempting to quash productive discussion, possibly out of fear
- Soft pushing of Wisdom even after unvoting him
- Doing nothing with their vote except weakly OMGUSing without any sort of push
Human Destroyer wrote:In post 349, SE-Asians wrote:(Totally not relieving pressure off by calling you town )
Add another point to the list:
- Worried and thinking too much about image
*cough*
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In post 361, Human Destroyer wrote:Wishy-washiness is a scum tell; it's scum not wanting to step on anyone's toes.
EBWOP: It's also scum wanting to keep their options open for later mislynches and bussing.Are you ready for this?- Human Destroyer
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