Micro 151: Mafia in New-Newbie Land (Game over!)

[mothrax]

Vote: Pala

it's the easiest to type.

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Liking my vote. That is all.

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@eroll as non random as a page one vote can be.

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I don't troll. My vote is the most substantive it can be on page one. Pala's reaction to CE is meh. Not a fan. End of story. That the scummiest thing that has happened so far and so it deserves my vote.

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Trying to pull a serious vote out of thin air is scummy. And meh.

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That's it? What are your thoughts on the Pala/CE exchange?

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Unvote, Vote: Majiffy

Pala, thanks for the answers.

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@eroll nope, not often. But when I do it's for a purpose.

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Hmmmm. Very very interesting.

Question: I haven't played in like two years and micros weren't a thing. What's the likely ratio were looking at? 2/7? 3/6?

I don't like Pala immediately sheeping bork... Not one bit said the spider to the fly. Especially after she names two other scumspects in the same post.

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Oh. Nvm. I should read the thread more... Lulz.

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@elvis: just saw your question.

Majiffy has not contributed to this game in the slightest and is super active lurkey. I'm not ok with that.

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I don't particularly care about who else was voting for you when I did. I saw something scummy and jumped on it. Nice try thou sweetheart.

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Up to this point you had three posts, two of which were saying "I'll get to this later" and the third was calling someone town. Correct me if I'm wrong but the object of the game is scum hunting, right? If you aren't doing that I don't see much contribution going on. Loving the omgus tho.

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Ummm. I called you out as soon as you "posted". Remember that? You just quoted it... I was satisfied with Palas responses and was ready to move on to my next scumspect.

Town hunting=lets tell the scum who to nk. Theory discussions aside and let's pretend I'm ok with that strategy for a moment. One sentence posts saying x is town =\= townhunting. Just saying.

As for me being intimidated or freaking out, please, I've put up with far worse. Bullying may be a valid tactic in your eyes but your going to have to try a lot harder to scare me. I've played with your type before. You aren't quality posters so you try to force your will through abrasive ness. I'm over it. Now, if your really town (big if) sit back, take a big breath and learn to play with the big boys. Tell me why you have your reads, do something other than make blanket statements without supporting them because that is in no way shape or form pro town.

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Quality of posting and personal attacks aside, a townspersons job is to not only find scum but convince the resto f the town that they are scum. Just saying x,x,x, and x are town so z must be scum isn't very convincing.

And I've done my homework. I know there wasn't much time but I was done questioning Pala, I had already established I wasn't satisfied with your play. It makes sense that I would head to the next player. I found you scummy from your third post. Thus, I voted for you. Now, you are posting and we are getting somewhere.

You are super overreacting to one vote but I'm ok with that because it means you are actually contributing, and it means I'm gonna get a clearer read. Two things can happen here: you can affirm my suspicions and dig yourself deeper, or you can change my mind and convince me you're town. Either way is good because it means I can either push harder for your lynch, or I can pack off and follow my next lead. It's a win win.

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Like I said, active lurking, and a lack of reasoning for reads.

That person with the 2010 join date took an 18 month sebatical. Do your homework. You will notice my last completed game was Mafia Personality, run by Vi, quite some time ago.

And when I said personal attacks etc. asside, I meant that I was done going back and forth with you over stupid crap that didn't pertain to this game. I'm not pulling back from calling you scummy, I'm not pulling back from my original reasoning for doing so, but I'm not going to argue about how well you play the game, or whatever it may be about you personally that I find annoying, this isn't the time or the place and it just distracts from the game.

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I believe we have different definitions of active lurking.

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Active lurking: posting without content, contribution. Things like "I will catch up on this later" etc.

Note: you came out to play when someone attacked you and you're playing a heck of a lot of defense. Who other than me is scummy? Do you have any other actual reads other than me being scummy for pushing you?

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We're going in circles.

Someone who knows Jiffy's play, is this par for the course? What are your reads on him/her?

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And unfortunately that pic won't load on my phone. I'm sure it was hilarious though.

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@e the never mind was to the statement about Pala sheeping. I had posts confused and realized that that statement was false. I'm still curious about ratios. Like I said I would guess 2/7 or 3/6 is the norm.
The reason I asked that is because interaction is a big part of my read process. It makes it much easier to gauge that when I have an idea of who to look for. As for me being economical with words, it's not really the case in general. I'm a wordy sob.

And I didn't explain my vote because I wanted to get some discussion going. Nothing had been happening up to this point and if I have to make myself look a little scummier to jump start conversations so be it. Stagnant games are bad for town. So yeah, it was reaction testing.

Elvis, where art thou? I want your opinions on all this.

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@ek I already explained why I voted without reasoning. You wanted a reaction test, you announced it making it harder for you to pull off. I was perfectly happy to grant your wish.

That said: I'm done with jiffy. I'm content with my read on him now that he is posting, and wisdom seems to know what he's talking about. Time to check some other people out.

unvote

Pedit: read it. It said something to the effect of "add vt/goon for balance did it not. This particular setup would most likely be 2/7 because of the given power roles, but I was also curious in general. Micros didn't exist in my day.

[mothrax]

I'm not a big fan of blatantly identifying all town reads no. I think it gives scum a clearer picture of who to nk. And the second part obv.

Hey Majiffy. I don't have to insult you to get my point across and I would appreciate it if you would give me the same respect.

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Ek, wasn't that kind of site meta a few years ago? I'm certainly not the first to say that.

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Hey Majiffy. I don't have to insult you to get my point across and I would appreciate it if you would give me the same respect.

You can have my respect when you earn it. So far, all I've heard from you is dumb.

Seriously? We have different play styles and different theory opinions. I'm going to ask you again. Please do not continue to insult me. It is unnecessary and takes the enjoyment out of the game and I'm not ok with that. This is after all a game.

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Keep in mind I'm also used to large themes. I played in mostly reckamonic and vi games when I was here last. I think the adjustment is factor. And I've never seen that side presented to me before, I srsly remember being told not to give away all my town reads. Considering someone super town is helpful yes, but like I said it gives scum an idea of who they can't get lynched.

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Eroll: do you think xerg is scum?

If xerg is scummy for lurking (I know it's not the only point against him) what are people's opinions on CE?

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I'm stating intent to hammer here. I will when the time comes but I have more to say before the day ends, just not when I'm phone posting. I also second the call for more CE posting.

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Omg ek! I'm drunk too' we should be drink friends. I've read like 50 pages if dolphin in the last two days! Also,

vote xeg

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I'll play the wall game with you when I've slept. But, ya know, read my posts. I've already answered the points you raised.

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Jebus. Had no clue it had been that long. 40 pages due this evening. Will post after that.

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Im here. Reading.

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Catching up...

Don't like mothrax stating intent so early in the game.

Why?

Because there's still discussion to be had, and it looks like he's trying to stifle it. Pretty sure I already said that somewhere, but whatever.

Like in my opinion the reason you unvote is that somebody does not seem scummy to you. You don't unvote or doubt a wagon because other people have started agreeing with you.

Maybe you should vote Pala with me, then.

Thank you EK. Stating intent to hammer wasn't me saying hey guys I'm gonna hammer in 24 hours. It was me saying, hey I agree that xerg is scummy and I'm willing to hammer when the time comes. It lets the rest of the wagon know that they don't have one of those wagons that runs up to l-1 and then dies off. I wasn't ready to end the day either and wouldn't have until discussion was done. Or without a claim from xerg.

That said I did think I posted something to this note while I was drunk but I must not have.

I still think xerg is scummy, especially since the points against him were active lurking and popping on when he was called out. He did the same thing. Got put at l-1 and comes in and walls definsively until people get distracted. Note, now that he's out of the spot lite... (Heis V/la) so that not much of a tell.

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Also, Pala is town. Noob town, but town. I like Jakes posting. I'm not sure where all the wisdom hate came from, Seems townish to me but I could be missing something.

Not sure how CE hasn't been replaced, he's posted less than me and that's saying something

I'm happy with my vote though.

PEdit: I coasted because I had a 40 page paper worth 80% of my final grade due this week. I got farther behind than I intended and phone posting wasn't going to cut it.

I had some things to say about xeg but also wanted answers to my CE question which got ignored.and I wanted more posting in general from the lurker slots.
Also, you never had an issue with my intent to hammer post when it happened. Why now?

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I've had a gut town read on wisdom all game. He's asked some good questions and been fairly active in identifying reads. That said, I haven't isod him, that was next on my to do list.

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I have no qualms lynching CE today. I would rather him be replaced, but if it comes down to it if we're going to no lynch because we can't agree I would rather lynch a lurker.

I don't like this game because everyone looks townish to me right now with the exception of xeg. Some less than others but still.

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Pala has also requested replacement via PM.

Conf. scum found.

pretty much agree with this

I don't. Paula's reactions early in the game were town and that never changed for me. This is her second game I site iirc. Null tell.

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Work has been super super busy. I've been reading. Xeg, I will answer your question as soon as I get to my comp.

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Welcome replacements.

Xeg, EK had raised some points about you prior to my post, and yes, I was counting the active lurking and popping in to play defense as two separate things. I still find it interesting that you can in and have done little but play defense since you got in.

Deadline is soon. I think we are going to have to compromise to avoid a no lynch.
So allow me at this juncture to say I would be willing to compromise with bork, but I won't be voting wisdom today.
Bork has been fluff posting, and many of books posts strike me as an attempt at appeasement.

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Heh. We gonna play the Mothrax doesn't know what this word means game again? Already?

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Iso 5-7, 16, 17, 34, 35, 37, 38, 41 and so on. If they weren't one liners with no content they were comaining about the lack if activity.

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ISO... As in isolation. Handy little tool at the bottom of the window...

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I disagree, bork. "What a journey"?
And the posts I pointed out were all either super weak on content or "needs moar activities" which at this point is pointless. You can say it as many times, and yes it's true but at this point it's just inflating your post count to appear active.

Jake: like I said, I have a gut town read on Wisdom. That's deteriorating over the last few pages, but not fast enough for me to vote him today.

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I'm not the only one who has expressed suspicion of bork.

And bork, don't get butthurt. "Weak on content" means look at the sheer amount of one liners you've posted.

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Xeg, I told you, I'm counting the lurking and the coming in and playing defensively as two separate things.

As for me saying I responded to something when I didn't, I thought I had, but apparently drunk me typed out a post the. Deleted it. That was the night I didn't sleep an ant to work at 3am...

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Mithras is reading along and commenting when needed. His laptop crashed so he is limited to phone posting for a bit. He's also ending the semester and has several assignments due. That said I'm around. As for the last few pages, were going in circles. Nothing has really been said that needs commenting on other than Jiffy's sudden hop onto a non competitive wagon a day before deadline.

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@ek: you aren't even voting him. If you think he is the lynch, why not vote him? It makes zero sense from a town perspective.

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Mothrax isn't a hydra, unless you count the voices in my head. Also: EK: your post was right under Wisdom's "we should lynch someone" post.

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Oooooooh! Well then. Colour me embarrassed. Stupid autocorrect. My phone doesn't like my own damn name.

I'll switch if I have to to avoid no lynch. Enough people I think are town are on board.

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Yes she does. I have shit reads this game an I can see that.

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What elephant? Xeg got lynched. We don't know the flip yet, so there's not much to go on. And no, I don't trust twilight claims.
I think Xegs self vote was idiotic, and see no real motivation behind it, but what's the point of drawing that put?
Jiffy's play in the last part of this day makes me want to look a bit more into him however.

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Your welcome. Generally when I don't respond to something it means what I ghave to say has been said, and I don't feel like cluttering the thread with "I agree blah blah blah." When I have something to add, I add it.

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I disagree. I don't see the difference really.

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Can't believe I'm saying this but... What bork said.

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Jiffy is probtown. Too much Wifom there.

Something I read niggled me about Jake. I need to look again and remind myself what it was. Tomorrow. 14 hour shifts aren't conducive to goodposting.

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Christ. For some reason I haven't been getting reply notifications. Running to work. Sorry guys. Finals are almost over

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To explain what I said about jiffy:
Jiffy doesn't strike me as the type of player who would create that much Wifom for Wifom's sake. I don't think he would kill chkflip, especially because jiffy seems to like conflict and that was his number one source of conflict, so I don't think jiffyscum would have done that.

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Oh yeah. I don't like jake calling wisdom Confscum from the xeg flip. The whole dueling wagon thing is pretty null. Scum can push lynches on two desperate townies too.

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Macy's townread on me downgraded because of something I said then claimed to be waiting for my explanation but made several statements that seem to show the contrary. In other words, circle talking and tripping over a coverup.

Vote Mac

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Also, jsyk, I'm a guy.

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I don't find her less town for having a townread on you,

but how she came to this conclusion.

You do?

That statement is what I have the biggest issue with. Before that you were saying you wanted to wait for my explanation then it was "I have an issue with the why" before I even said anything. Or at least before you aknowledged that I did.

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Bork: I'm voting Mac already. It got lost in the confusion about 5 pages. The last 3 pages are a giant shitfest.

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@Bork: If I had to pick between those two it would be wisdom.
He has t done anything today to convince me he's town.

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I'm here, no need to prod. If you want to replace me go ahead. Probably better for town anyways. But lol @elvis calling someone out for inactivity.

Jiffy is still probtown.

I don't see wisdom and Mac both being scum, the way Those wagons fell apart. I have a stronger scum read on Mac, but I would be willing to vote for wisdom. I'm not a fan of borks response to Jake. In fact, bork seems to overreact anytime anyone calls him scum.
What's wisdom at anyways, since Mac isn't gonna die today.

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And for what it's worth: my play as of late has sucked and I'm sorry for that. I'm finishing up finals week, should be back in full swing within a day or two. I there is way too much flame wars and yelling going on in this game, and I'm adjusting to playstyles that I really don't like.

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I do. Jiffy reminds me a lot of Fate, and I was fairly competent at reading him back in the day. I still don't like the way the night kill went down and I don't see him trying to pull that off. Really, it looks like someone else who doesn't know his playstyles trying to frame him. As for the other cases on him, they are mostly meta based and I don't give much weight to those.

@wisdom: I have a scum read on both of you but I do t see you being partners, and sonce Mac isn't getting lynched today why would I waste my breath?

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@wisdom: my reasons for my read on jiffy are based on this game. Others are all "jiffy is t playing normal Jiffy" you're misunderstanding

@bork: over being the key word. When I mentioned something you went ballistic and then did the same on ek.
And no, your play hasn't been obvtown. No ones has, and that's why we are where we are

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They way jiffy has been bored with the game screams town to me. I don't see scum sighing at the amount of bleh that has been this day, or yesterday for that matter. In fact, they would rejoice at the pants on head play of town in general, someone with a playstyles like what I've seen from jif in this game would take advantage of that and maneuver themselves into a leadership role.

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What the ever loving fuck...

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No objections.

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Vt. Popcorn jake

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I get it! Slightly flawed with wifom... But it works.

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Scum wouldn't enter a 1v1 at this stage. Counterclaim would mean a guaranteed town win tomorrow at the latest.

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The only scenario I could see it not being is if scum purposely no killed to throw us down this path. But I'm gonna go with no on that and if we are still here after today then I will say my piece on that. Today, we lunch who Mac says to lynch.

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Always needs a bit of cumin or tarragon though.

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Will do. Especially now that finals are over and I can actually concentrate on my games. /yesterdaysplay

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Vote Wisdom

this is the right play.

[mothrax]

Unmmmmmmm. Excuse you? If I recall I was the first to say that it wasn't. I voiced the no-kill option before anyone else. It's stupid not to lynch wisdom today, regardless. We had a night with no death and he was roleblocked. If scum no-killed we find out tomorrow and go from there.

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As for the jiffy issue, town can't be wrong?

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In other words, I'm far from stupid and my scum game is much better than that. Before I left the site I had a perfect scum record. I'm not so dumb as to defend my buddy to the death. Especially if the majority of the town is on them. That's just stupid scum play.

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Out of you three, I think it's between you and Elvis. Eks early play was strongly town for me and I thought she might have been a pr. Obv I was wrong about that. Her play as of late has seemed forced and she seems to be throwing suspicion wherever she can.
As for you, my gut has been hinky about you for a while, between the overdefensiveness and the fact that you are trying so hard to take a leasership role (I have authority issues, so sue me.) if wisdom flips town it means there was a mafia no kill and based on the reactions to last night alone, you were super excited and seemed over eager, which makes it look almost as if you knew that was going to happen.

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Waiting for godot.

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Scum is between bork and jake then. I will have computer access again tonight. I'll hopefully have time to do some retreading then. Phone posting doesn't cut it in mylo.

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I came into today knowing that unless you were scum I would be the prime target. I'm not ignoring that. But it really looks like there's not much point beyond this. I'm gonna get lynched today. Scum wins. Gg.

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Majiffy wanted to power lynch Mothrax earlier and after I point out what I see as a town slip, his read changed without question. Town jiffy would have questioned me more IMO.

I'm good with a Mothrax vote

What does what town jiffy would have done have to do with me?

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Like I said its between jake and bork obviously. I'm gonna go back tonight and reread. I'll post my results when I can.

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There was supposed to be more to that first sentence. I've had a gut feeling about bork all game but I don't like how jake has flown under the radar.

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I fell asleep reading last night. I'm off tomorrow. Promise promise promise I will get shit done then.

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Also I just saw Mothrax on, and while I'm sympathetic to shit going on IRL, he's been kind of stalling for days.

I'm reading. Not my fault there is like 5 pages to parse through between you two and Jiffy.

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Ok. So here's this. Walls aren't my style and I don't have the energy to do a huge multiquote post ATM.
Jake:

There are some interesting early reactions between eroll and jiffy which bork has already so helpfully pointed out. When Jake replaces he avoids Jiffy like the plauge, pushing wisdom in his place. (This is different from my own interactions with Jiffy. I was convinced he was town, and was not afraid to say so, Jake just didn't really react to him until he had to)

He also pointed out that jiffy's read of me changed as soon as jake pointed out that I "townslipped" which is patently false. In fact, jiffy even questioned where that came from.

The bad reaction Test is interesting too. He is able to make it look like he is gonna vote jiffy but then uses super flimsy logic to back out of that.

Also of note is the fact that jake has said I was town pretty much all game, ignoring me for the most of d2/d3 but now that Elvis and bork are ready to vote me I must be scum. Where as he has expressed suspicion of bork several times yet wasn't pushing him today when as far as he is concerned it should be a 1v1 between myself(a "town read" but an easy lynch) and bork(a "scumread" but not an easy lynch.)

Bork:

I've had a bad gut feeling about bork all damned game but his emotional investment is something that makes him seem townier to me. I called him out for overreacting earlier but he has a good in that he's been pretty consistently involved. His d3 play gave me pause because I'm always leery of people who try to "break" the game, but I'm also almost always wrong about them.

His interactions with Jiffy are pretty weird. He goes back and forth on him sooo many times. I don't think bork is a stupid player and scum wouldn't be so reluctant to make a read on their buddy. Either bus or buddy one or the other. His hesitancy to establish a read either way reads town.

If bork is scum this game I'm never trusting my brain again. I know my reads have been pretty shitty this game but damn.

Scum can't quick hammer in mylo, and if everyone sits around waiting for someone else to vote its gonna get boring really quick. So I'll break the ice:

Vote: Jake

That's what I've got, take it or leave it.

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Tbf I was the first to bring up the NK thing, and I've seen it done before, even done it as scum. That part of your case is invalid.
The rest of it, like I said, if he was gonna bus he would have bussed, not been "oh maybe, maybe not"
The too town to be town argument is null.

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I've read everything, but bork, you pretty much said everything that needs to be said and reiterated a few things for me. I think jake is scum, I explained why, I placed my vote. It's between you am bork and nothi g you have done has made me change my mind. Should I sit in the background and say "yeah, go team!" ? I'm sorry if you don't like my play style but I say what needs to be said when it needs to be said. I'm not gonna come in here and shit up the thread if I've got nothing to add.
I hate long drawn out lylos. I'm waiti g for Elvis to come back. When she does we will see what happens

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Well you obviously want me in here replying to every post, but that's not the kind of player I am. You've called me out for it several times. As for being defensive, I'm explaining myself, that's it.

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I'll reread the exchange when I'm not at work to see if I have anything to add.

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From ISo 6 to USO 40 you mention jiffy once other than the fluff stuff and then you say he's "starting to worry you."

After that you have a short back and forth with him then go back to barely mentioning or interacting with him until the gambit.

I don't buy the reaction test thing. It looks to me like it was forced and you were trying to get townie cred by stating intent to hammer.

And your sudden switch from me to bork is still bad. You come in agter both players state intent to vote me, say you will too, even though I'm on your town read list prior to that, then when we start considering other options you go to bork, then back to me. Over eager scum in mylo.

I also don't like the AtE in "I've lost too many games lately"

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I guess the correct question is: why is there scum motivation to continue to push that lynch if mothrax is town only, but not if he's scum?

because I don't think scum no matter who it is really wants to hard buss their partner day 1

Not necessarily true. Bussing scum buss whenever they need to. (Self meta: I warn people in pregame QTs when I'm scum that there will be no buddying. AGar taught me well.)

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The following are two different questions:

"Why would Majiffy stop pushing mothrax if mothrax were scum?"

"Why would Majiffy stop pushing mothrax ONLY if mothrax were scum?"

I asked you the latter, you answered the former. Why is Majiffy's stopping of a push indicative that this is a buddy that he doesn't want to bus? Isn't it viable that he identified a townie that he has no chance at lynching?

I don't know how to word this any better without getting into convoluted formal logic.

Especially given that bork and ek who were both leading the game had me as town reads at that point.

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ok doing some reading I found another thing that was interesting, the way Majiffy was defending mothrax's hammer. Scum want to end discussion early, especially when it's on a townie. Majiffy should absolutely be aware of that and should have been more skeptical of him. Defending the hammer makes no sense to me.

Mothrax has only softly pushed majiffy this game, only having a vote on him for a little less than 1 actual day and never really going back to him. This looks like classic distancing to me. Not to mention Mothrax kind of seems to be laying low most of the game. He doesn't vote too many times and he certainly isn't involved in the majority of the discussions.

I'm pretty sure scum is mothrax

In the first paragraph again that is not indicative of my alignment. This is the second time you've come up with jiffy behaviors that somehow are telling of my alignment. Have you never seen scum buddy town for exactly this reason?

As for the second paragraph, after our exchange I had a pretty solid town read on him. I stated as such. He didn. Change that read, I was wrong, but being wrong isn't a scumtell.

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Like you're all "doesn't make sense for Majiffy to bus D1 that shit's suboptimal"?

But it's totally plausible for me to possibly have been bussing Majiffy D2? Even though that's hugely more suboptimal than Majiffy bussing Mothrax D1 due to Majiffy being a strongman?

If anything I would expect jiffy to bus d1 if he were the strongman. Protect the power role. I had come under suspicion at that point and he would have gotten mega town cred for driving a scum lynch.

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I'm as sure as I'm going to be right now. Like I said, if bork is scum we deserve to lose for letting him lead us around by the wang.
I know I'm town, you are conftown, so by POE that leaves Jake. Lets just end it.

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Borks 1681 cements that he's town.

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Mothrax has been mostly absent and mostly unhelpful and called majiffy town for BS meta reasons.

I have to read the last few pages of your interaction with Jake before I comment on him.

I never used meta to defend jiffy. I've never played with him. After our exchange D1 he came off looking town. That read carried over.

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@Jake: you wouldn't hammer your PR unless you absolutely had to. That's pretty clear from your statements on bussing.

Your second point: there had been some suspicion on bork from ek before your switch and I had stated I was wary of bork from how townie he had been looking. So saying that throwing a vote on bork was the worst thing you could have done is patently false.

[mothrax]

You had no way of knowing he was going to self hammer and his wagon had been stalling out at l-1 for a while. Wisdom wagon could have still gained ground.

[mothrax]

I had to go back and read his iso cause I didn't remember that, but yeah, when asked to pick between wisdom or majiffy to lynch, he picks wisdom.

@ mothrax - can you explain this post please? You made a point to say that my idea that wisdom being conf. scum was wrong, yet somehow day 2 your town read on wisdom vanished and he had to convince you he was town again. What happened? why the 180 on wisdom?

Because it was wisdom or jiffy and I had a more solid town read on jiffy than wisdom.

I'll be back to catch the rest in a bit.

[mothrax]

The reason he gave was that he's been out of practice for a few years.

Even so that doesn't delegitimize my question: is 6/3 a believeable ratio for anyone for a non white flag/nightless? 1 mislynch brings LyLo and town has to lynch correctly 3 times to win?

Don't bring up theory bullshit. There is a reason I don't do a lot of setup spec. I don't know a lot about balance and I suck at making setups.

[mothrax]

And yeah it's even more suspect cause it's a semi-open.

I am the type of person that would ALWAYS know the setup regardless of my alignment. Some people are more sloppy and don't do that, but mothrax just doesn't seem like that kinda guy.

When I went back and actually parsed the wiki I got what it was saying, however instead of reading fill with goon/vt til 7/2 I read til balanced (my own head skims on me a lot, oh well)

If you wanna take that as a scum slip be my guest. I misread shit. But if you do, explain this: what scum motivation is there for me to fake that?

[mothrax]

Whatever, towns gonna lose

GG scum

AtE

[mothrax]

There were barely 13 posts between you calling me out again for lurking and my last post bork. And most of it was ek saying "I'm gonna hammer" then this wagon falling apart, yet again.

How many fucking times are we gonna do this. There's still a deadline so get it over with. Me or jake, lets just do it. This is why I hate long drawn out Lylo/Mylo. Things are being over analyzed to the point where mountains and molehills and all that jazz. I'm confident in my read that bork is town and jake is scum. I'm sticking to it.

P-edit: not particularly no, but like I said, I don't do a lot of set up stuff... Believe me or don't but that's that.

[mothrax]

James wagon has been to l-1 twice and ek never hammered, just hammer me, I'll flip town, we will lose and we never have to speak of this game again.

[mothrax]

Bork. You are at the point where you've worked yourself into a frenzy.

[mothrax]

I've never no killed as scum that I can recall (save recks OoT mafia, but it was a different night ability...)

I have seen it done in games though.

[mothrax]

Either Jake or bork are lying, cause my rolepm says VT.

[mothrax]

MAYBE you can blame the loss on mothrax cause his play in lylo actually worked towards my advantage, but I would not blame him either.

Yeah, this.
Don't let scum convince the town in lylo, they will eventually succeed. But can't be helped if that's how he plays.

I was really just over it. Elvis had multiple opportunities to hammer jake and never did. I was confident in my read but at this point bork was superhypersensitive over analyze everything bork.

Y'all can blame me for the loss if ya want but I'm not gonna appologize for my play.

[mothrax]

You were. Your play overall was really strong this game.