Mafia 57: Good Ol' Mafia - Game over!

[ChannelDelibird]

I hereby /confirm.

[ChannelDelibird]

Everyone please note that votes do not count during the confirmation stage. Once day starts then the votes will count.

Great. In that case,

Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

. You're 12 from lynch, claim or die.

Let's get a claim out of him before the day starts, guys!

[ChannelDelibird]

vote: The Central Scrutinizer

for not using an 's' in his name where the 'z' is.

[ChannelDelibird]

vote: The Central Scrutinizer

for not using an 's' in his name where the 'z' is.

lol someone always comes up with a funny reason to vote me in the beginning. Nice one.

It ain't funny to me... *grumbles about america bastardising the english language*

[ChannelDelibird]

Rubbish. Both scum and nonscum refer to other games for meta-gaming / to mislead town. But that's generally bad playstyle anyway.

QFT

seems to me that since Twito, Pevergreen, Cheesefan, and ChannelDelibird have reached 2 votes, the Mafia seems to have got a bit panicky, and started voting for canucklehead. The question is: which one of their buddies was in danger?
FOS: at all those on 2 votes.

SCUMDAR ALERT!

You claim that the mafia have started voting for canucklehead but instead FoS those on two votes.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

[ChannelDelibird]

I haven't even read the case on scotmany12 yet. I'm actually surprised that we seem to be letting Battle Mage off.

seems to me that since Twito, Pevergreen, Cheesefan, and ChannelDelibird have reached 2 votes, the Mafia seems to have got a bit panicky, and started voting for canucklehead. The question is: which one of their buddies was in danger?
FOS: at all those on 2 votes.

He EXPLICITLY STATES that he thinks those who are voting for Canucklehead are mafia, but he does not even FoS them.

The FoS on the people with 2 votes is justified. Not if it's the only FoS in the post, and even less if there's no vote in the entire post. He thinks he knows where to find as many as FOUR scum, but votes for none of the people he thinks it's likely to be.

This is the single scummiest post I have seen for a long, long time.

Confirm vote: Battle Mage

FoS: those trying to derail the Battle Mage wagon

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB: I know this is a bad argument.

QFT

But I've seen BM do exactly the same thing in a few other games I'm in with him (I think 3 at last count.) Statistically speaking, it's unlikely for him to be scum in all of them, and I know he isn't scum in at least one.

If I was in all of those games, I would vote for him on each and every occasion. I will NOT just sit by and let someone get away with posting something like that.

[ChannelDelibird]

[quote="ChannelDelibird, 3 posts ago"]The FoS on the people with 2 votes is justified. Not if it's the only FoS...['quote]

EBWOP: The FoS on the people with 2 votes would be justified it it wasn't the only FoS...

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB, im understand but did you even read the cause on scotmany? I believe scotmany is doing way more scummy things and multiple post and we can always lynch BM tomorrow.

I'm going over the scotmany case now.

But whatever it is, the only thing that is likely to convince me to move my vote from Battle Mage is scotmany, or indeed anyone else, claiming scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

I just read the scotmany case, and this is what I think of it:

He's on 8 votes for

being a NEWBIE?

Seriously, thinking it's good to end Day 1 quickly and then voting No Lynch are THE most common misguided beliefs in new players, with perhaps the exception of thinking 2nd votes are scummy in Day 1 C9 games.

I'm not discounting the possibility of scotmany being scum, but I have yet to see any real evidence to support the view.

[ChannelDelibird]

the relevant part of post 153 for easy reference:

5) Newbieness is no excuse. Again, I've been seeing too many newbies go 'I'm just a newbie, I don't know how things are around here.' Newbieness is no excuse for bad play. If you commit bad play, you're likely to be lynched. (Again, not 100%, just a general thing.) Signing up for a game here is a commitment. If you're unsure, go read up. Pick some games to read through to get an idea of how mafia is played here. Even if you're already an experienced player, it might be a good idea just to see what things are like, because I was originally from somewhere else, so I know that playstyle etc can be a lot different.

I know from experience that if something seems right to you as a newbie, it never occurs to you to go and check other games to see if that's not the case. While of course that would be the sensible thing to do, the fact remains that nobody is going to be that thorough because it never occurs to them that they might need to.

I'll freely offer as evidence to support this my own play in Aureal's Band Mafia mini (I can't remember the number, it's in Little Italy). Even though I was scum, my twilight post after lynching stresses that the reason I was lynched was down to a mistake that I would have made no matter what alignment I was, based on the fact that because my interpretation of the game situation seemed correct to me, I did not check it.

[ChannelDelibird]

omfg-please read what i was saying!

I merely stated that, when there were a couple people on 2 votes each, there was a sudden frenzy to put someone else in the frame, with 3 votes in quick succession.

In hindsight, it was a flawed observation, but not one that in any way incriminated me. Many of those who voted for me didnt even read what i said before bandwaggoning, which wreaks of newb townie to me.

Notice how he tries not to mention the fact that he said that the MAFIA had retaliated with a bandwagon on canucklehead.

[ChannelDelibird]

Lol this i would say the same about your post.
Its brilliantly ironic that you (someone who claims to have experience of the game) are so very wrong. I will laugh so hard if i get lynched, and then you find out the truth, because everyone will KNOW that you are Mafia. You have also revealed your identity to all, in the case of my death.
IMO, you are either really stupid, or a Mafia member. Assuming it is the latter, i refer you to this comment:
You have actually said here that you want to keep the 'Battle Mage wagon'.
This also incriminated Scotmany, although as Channeldelibird is almost a certainty for Mafia, he is well worthy of my vote.

Unvote, Vote ChannelDeliBird

Perhaps instead of OMGUSing me, you could actually defend yourself?

Guys, this guy is scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB, it's hard to take you serious when you have a sock smiling at me the entire time.

Life is hard. Get over it.

[ChannelDelibird]

lol you are so desperate to incriminate me, on no evidence whatsoever, you MUST be Mafia.
This isnt an OMGUS vote, otherwise i would need 8 or so of em lol.
This vote is purely based on the fact that i am 95% certain you are Mafia.
Choosing to use rude words instead of actual evidence is real Scum-Talk.
I suggest that everyone reads ChannelDelbirds last few comments, so they can see for themselves just how guilty he is.
BM

Perhaps instead of OMGUSing me, you could actually defend yourself?

Guys, this guy is scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

oh i get it. this game is just an excuse for you to spam, amirite?

No, I just used my own quote in my last post because it was easier than writing it all out again.

If you like, I'll do it again.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's "sense." And you lack punctuation and capitalization. It should read:

BattleMage,

Your arguments do not make sense.

You have shown yourself to be a liability as any kind of player.

I'm not sure if you're scum, or just plain ol' stupid;

but I think it's scum.


/steps out of her grammar teacher role.

Mari, though I approve of this cause thoroughly, I would appreciate it if you would give your views on Battle Mage's behaviour as well.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm sorry, but no. I rather play in games where decent playstyle is the norm, and where actual strategizing is required. I don't see the other ICs here making any effort to salvage this either.

So you don't think that pushing for the town to lynch someone who I believe is scum is trying to help the game?

Panzerjager: read a couple of games in which ShadowLurker has played. He always plays this way - that doesn't mean you KNOW he's a killing role.

Battle Mage still only has just over half the votes of scotmany12. I really sincerely don't understand how only 4 people have realised that he's far and away the scummiest player in the game.

Nightfall - exactly WHAT was that 13-FoS post supposed to achieve?

FoS: Nightfall

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, and

FoS: Nightfall

. Multiple FoSes are usually done by scums to try and confuse the town.

But 13? Come on, you'd need cojones the size of monster trucks to try and pull that one off.

I think it's more likely that Nightson is just posting for the sake of it without posting content.

[ChannelDelibird]

To all players considering asking for replacement because of the amount of newbies:

Oh, come on. Consider it a challenge.

[ChannelDelibird]

You see?

Now

there's a proper case on scotmany, who's probably scum in light of his comments over the last couple of pages.

Not going to move my vote, it's overkill and I still want it on record that Battle Mage is scummy as hell.

[ChannelDelibird]

...Battle Mage was

TOWN?!?

Jeez, I give up...

Content post later today when I have time.

[ChannelDelibird]

err why did 4 of us die?
also-now you KNOW that we are innocent, i suggest u go back and look at what we said.
*BM collapses in a confused heap.

For a dead guy, you sure talk too much.

-------

@ pevergreen - there's 16 pages of material. There must be something, somewhere, that someone did, that makes you suspicious of them. Go back and find it.

vote: Panzerjager

for telling other players who they killed last night.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm liking my Panzer vote at the moment. The SL bandwagon is purely based on the fact that these guys don't like his personality, there's no actual evidence behind it at all.

We have no reason to believe Twito is a vig any more than anyone else.

Confirm vote: Panzerjager

for claiming SL is scum for no reason, allocating everyone their night kills from last night, and thinking he's Fritzler.

FoS: ~N9V~

who seems to be following everything Panzer says.

[ChannelDelibird]

Also, Panzerjager didn't pull me in, I was looking for something against ShadowLurker.

You were

looking for something against ShadowLurker

? Thanks, you just told us you weren't looking for scum, all you wanted was to get us to lynch ShadowLurker.

unvote, vote: ~N9V~, still a big FoS: Panzerjager

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't care what 'evidence' you have on him. You just told us that you were looking for a reason to lynch ShadowLurker. Not scum, just ShadowLurker.

[ChannelDelibird]

And I am rather uneasy about this game. 4 NKs?

Not inconceivable at all. I can see there being 2 mafias, an SK and a vig without any worry. Or maybe 1 mafia, 2 SKs, a vig... at any rate, 4 night kills shouldn't be a problem, as long as we lynch right. You could start by voting ~N9V~.

[ChannelDelibird]

I

FOS: ChannelDelibird

attacking Battle Mage who we now know as town and Panzerjager who I am fairly certain is town. Channel is considered a good player and I don't think he would make accusations so sloppily if he was town.

I'm not going to apologise for going after Battle Mage, and I never will. A part of me still thinks that the part of the mod's post revealing him as town was a typo. >_>

I stand by the fact that his post was the scummiest I've seen in a while.

Oh, and you know, just because some people may or may not consider me a 'good player' does not mean that I am incapable of wanting to lynch anyone other than scum. Go find almost any game with an experienced player in, and watch as at least once they play their part in lynching a pro-town player, to their own detriment.

[ChannelDelibird]

Actually to be honest I think your really good player. What I think happened with BM is that he was addressing one part of an issue (possible scum trying to save their partner) and thought we should go after the partner. Where you thought it easier (?) and more town like if he were to just target the three that hoped. I think you saw this as a scumtell where I saw it as a newbie trying to find scum that he overlooked the obvious.

If you light a match and many others come just to fan the flames, I'm not gonna blame you if the forrest burns down

*cries like an Oscar winner, then paranoid

IGMEOY

for sucking-up*

[ChannelDelibird]

Step 1) Turn on brain.
Step 2) Scroll to bottom of page and "Display posts from previous: All Posts by ChannelBelibird"
Step 3) Read.
Step 4) Vote.

It's so friggen obvious it hurts me.

I'm afraid that no 'ChannelBelibird' exists. My username is ChannelDelibird.

Anyway, until you feel like presenting a case against me, perhaps you'd like to share your views on some of the other players?

autoload - have I missed the post where you outlined your case against RafK? If either you could let me know whenabouts that was or explain it again, that would be appreciated. Can't really be bothered to trawl through the whole thread to find it.

[ChannelDelibird]

~N9V~ is the best lynch. He's admitted to going after ShadowLurker specifically and I think he's been following Panzer around quite a lot.

(translation: I'm still here, I have nothing to add so I am outlining my position on who I think is scummiest again.)

Mod:

could we have a vote count please?

[ChannelDelibird]

Nobody should hammer N9V until we have a claim.

~N9V~, claim.

[ChannelDelibird]

This is absolutely the most ridiculous bandwagon I have ever seen. What is the case for N9V? Seriously. What has he done? A lot of the votes on this wagon look really, really scummy. Autoload's vote strikes me as lazy scum, and Canucklehead's vote screams mafia. I just don't understand the case.

You guys know how crazy/stupid I am, and I love to throw down the hammer on any lynch that I feel even marginally comfortable with... but I have yet to actually see a case on N9V. If anything Panzer's posts have been much more suspicious. If you guys really think that a scumpair is N9V-Panzer, then Panzer should go first, because I can kind of see why he looks scummy. The fact that N9V is at -1 is absurd.

I agree that the speed of the bandwagon is a mite unsettling. I like my vote where it is, though. I'm voting N9V for this post:

pevergreen and ChannelDelibird, I could say the same about ShadowLurker and Twito. Also, Panzerjager didn't pull me in, I was looking for something against ShadowLurker.

Looks like a Freudian slip to me. He's admitted that he's specifically looking for a reason to lynch ShadowLurker.

[ChannelDelibird]

Also, may I throw this out there? I have been getting alot of, N9V's posts are so fucking scummy. So this is my answer: All my posts seem scum, even when I am not.

Ugh! UGH!

UGH!

This is the single phrase that I hate most in mafia games, beyond everything else.

Roleblocker is also a common scum role.

N9V - who did you target last night?

[ChannelDelibird]

{Responding to prod}
I was busy the last few days, and unable to log on.

otherwise, I would hammer N9V after reading the majority of the thread.

but since rb could easily be mafia, I will do it

Vote: ~N9V~

FoS: Frustian

Next time, read the

whole

of the thread. You might miss important things, like NOT HAMMERING N9V.

If N9V is town, Frustian could well be scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

Bah! Go scum!

[ChannelDelibird]

I'd just like to make it clear again that I was absolutely convinced that Battle Mage was scum.