NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So you think I'm scum. And you think Thor665 is scum. And you think that Thor665 thinks that I am scum. Link me to a scum-game. I've actually got you down as "too stupid to be scum" and I want to double check.

I'm non-committal on Thor665. The game is too noisy to get a definite read on him. He's been doing too much one-on-one absolute fucking minutia circular arguments of crap. He's jsut deconstructing other people's arguments instead of making his own. It's counter-productive as hell. I'd get more of a town feeling if he just gave reads and pursued wagons.

Actually, thinking and writing the above, Thor665 is on the scummier side.

DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THOR????

and actually I don't really have a scum read on you I just wanted to see what you would do

Wait, where did Thor665 say this?

it was around when he marked slaandar for nks. I tried looking through his iso but I couldn't find it but tbh I am not feeling good today I have been sick all day so it will have to wait til tomorrow but I will try to find it. I could have sworn it was thor who said that if is wasn't him then that will change things for me.

@ arc

it was maestro's great idea game where you fake claimed in lylo a role that was not even on the list and negged on the gm and the gm confirmed that he only used the roles that were on that list. it cost us the game.

nacho you are feeling a little better to me now!

[Bacde]

The only time Bacde ever joked about bussing a scumbudy that I could find, he was actually bussing a scum budy.
He joked about bussing you this game.

Combined with what looks like a bus vote from Bc and ...

pretty sure that I have never truthfully admitted when I am bussing a scumbuddy

why are you making up fake meta of me?

[Nachomamma8]

The only time Bacde ever joked about bussing a scumbudy that I could find, he was actually bussing a scum budy.
He joked about bussing you this game.

Combined with what looks like a bus vote from Bc and ...

Oh sweet, link it. Also, why does this look like a bus vote?

Syr why is our hop now suspect when we have been on about Nacho being scum for a while? We were vote#4 on the ori wagon. I find it odd that you're now calling us out for it even though its not something new that we have done.

You guys haven't had a solid reason for voting me in forever, although I would expect Mara to be engaging me pretty directly if she thought I was scum.

nacho you are feeling a little better to me now!

Only a little better?

[Syryana]

Syry's town <3

Happy to state as such

Nacho's most recent posting has caused me to rethink my scum read on him.

I'm happy on Ceph though

we only have a little over a week and the Nacho wagon took a while to build. Despite the cases being built on him, and despite people calling him out as scum, there are people who are quietly trying to oppose it

Ryu pinged for me earlier too Angel

VOTE: Nacho

That's why. You were rethinking your read, then jumped back on the wagon due to "time constraints". This is flat out weird, particularly in light of the fact that there's a plurality lynch rule in effect. Granted this was Mara talking, but it still felt fake to me.

[Bacde]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

All of you still on the Nacho wagon should be ashamed of yourselves. Make up for it by voting Desp.

Elaborate on this post.

Also why you responded to these specific people?

They were the people whose names popped into my head at that specific time.

No elaboration required. Just unvote Nacho and vote Desp.

So basically your case on me is "META", right?
And anyone who played with me on MS can you tell that "Tenemants" is not a game that tells what kind of player I am. How about you check over few town games ( since i have plently lying around) and come back to me if you really feel that my play reperestns a scum play.

You have already made an obvious statment that I carry OMGUS reputation but this is something i can see that you would be doing it as scum, well which is what exactly you did in Tenemants where you were scum and also you did in another on-going game, and you were scum again(dead one). so tell me How is case is any different to the read you just stated about me?

Yet you are calling it as "First attack" and what I am doing to do is OMGUS? Can you ever get better, becuase this is pathetic reason to blame anyone. You said that i sucked as town in Tenemants. Well, then you haven't seen my actual town play. In case if you didn't notice, this is how it looks...

People really love breaking that ongoing rule...

Just because I'm feeling nice today, I will explain to you what my take on meta is. I'm not one of those people who will trawl through dozens of games to figure out what people may or may not do as a given alignment. My "meta" as it were revolves around actually

playing

with people. My experiences with them make up my opinion of their playstyle.

That being said, my experiences thus far have shown that: you are a lurker, you love to OMGUS people, your deductive reasoning leaves worlds to be desired and you put in no particular effort into a game until someone shoves a large burning rod up your ass. Three of these qualities are present in this game. One is not. It is the plain and simple fact that you are putting so much effort into "reads" and "cases" together (they still suck, but A+ for effort) that makes me think you're scum. There are also plenty of other scum-motivated things in your ISO, but I'm not bothering to get into that because I'm not interested in seeing a lynch on you today anymore.

In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."

Peditx4: A bolded word?! Are we fucking serious here?!?!? No, just no. And #1993 is opportunistic as fuck.

I am in mafia love with syrana like for realz

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I think the argument he tried to start with you about CTD and DLG was bad and not related to the original point (as you said, strawman), and has actually become an Argument from Repetition. That said, the biggest thing against him is his claim that you are suffering from confirmation bias, as that betrays a town read or knowledge. Given his more recent posts, we can rule out a spontaneous town read, which makes this a scum slip. I'm trying to organize my various scum reads at the moment in order to decide what to do (My Bacde vote is not cutting it.), but he's definitely moved out of my null/scum pile.

I see all these buzzwords (Argument from Repetition, confirmation bias, strawman) but I've no idea what point you're trying to make.

Do you think he's scum, yes or no? We can get into the whys and wherefores after you organize your thoughts.

like for realz. I <3 syrana who is from now on syrlacious to me

[Baby Spice]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Just read page one.

[Syryana]

Mollie, Syrlacious requests is requesting you vote Desp

Then his love is all yours

[Nachomamma8]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Just read page one.

Zoidberg wasn't scum?

[Syryana]

Well shit I butchered that:

*Syrlacious requests that you vote Desp

[Bacde]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Just read page one.

Zoidberg wasn't scum?

thank you for existing

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The only time Bacde ever joked about bussing a scumbudy that I could find, he was actually bussing a scum budy.
He joked about bussing you this game.

Combined with what looks like a bus vote from Bc and ...

Oh sweet, link it. Also, why does this look like a bus vote?

Syr why is our hop now suspect when we have been on about Nacho being scum for a while? We were vote#4 on the ori wagon. I find it odd that you're now calling us out for it even though its not something new that we have done.

You guys haven't had a solid reason for voting me in forever, although I would expect Mara to be engaging me pretty directly if she thought I was scum.

nacho you are feeling a little better to me now!

Only a little better?

okay a lot better

I feel relieved. I hate it when we fight.

it was that sounded genuinely frustrated with bc I think that is the closest I have ever seen you to getting pissy in a game lol.

do you know who nero reminds me of? teeth and I used to fight like this when I first came to tr

a quiet teeth is a dangerous thing I mean I left an easter egg for nero and he didn't pick it up that kind of worries me

ak can only be 1 of 2 things do you know what I mean when I say that?

I will go on a thor diet for now if you have him as town too but he isn't really doing anything except nitpicking and being...something. don't be surprised if I get back on him

who all is in your town pile let's go from there

so we have you, us, bc for sure, I think I want to move syrlacious in there too.

[Baby Spice]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Just read page one.

Zoidberg wasn't scum?

thank you for existing

Troll lol lol lol lol.


But the person Bc was voting at the time, from two or three posts above, was.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie, Syrlacious requests is requesting you vote Desp

Then his love is all yours

that is probably where our vote will go

majiffy will want to keep nacho around as much as I do

I am trying to sort out a 4 or 5 group to work in the next day round in case any of us gets nked.

do you really think bulb boy is town? I can't tell if his sycophancy is a personality thing or not I don't know him. I have been leaving him alone cos majiffy town reads him I am not wanting to work with him lol, he annoys the daylights out of me but I don't want to completely ignore him if there is something there

[Syryana]

do you really think bulb boy is town? I can't tell if his sycophancy is a personality thing or not I don't know him. I have been leaving him alone cos majiffy town reads him I am not wanting to work with him lol, he annoys the daylights out of me but I don't want to completely ignore him if there is something there

Bulb is one of the people I'm having wishy washy issues with. One minute I think he's scum, then he's town, then back again. I've only completed one game with him so I'm not sure how to read him yet.

I remember thinking that the whole HD vs. Bulb wall thing was town v townish.

Meh, I don't like being wishy washy. This requires ISO. I'll get back to you.

[Bulbazak]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

Where's this Desperado push coming from?

[Syryana]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

Where's this Desperado push coming from?

I asked him to, Bulb.

[Syryana]

Bulb is one of the people I'm having wishy washy issues with. One minute I think he's scum, then he's town, then back again. I've only completed one game with him so I'm not sure how to read him yet.

I remember thinking that the whole HD vs. Bulb wall thing was town v townish.

Meh, I don't like being wishy washy. This requires ISO. I'll get back to you.

Actually mollie, never mind, he's gonna be null for a while

I tried reading his ISO and my brain exploded

Just make a town block with someone else

[Bulbazak]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

Where's this Desperado push coming from?

I asked him to, Bulb.

I'm not sure I buy that, especially with how hard he was pushing the Nacho wagon. The shift is disconcerting.

[Syryana]

Well, you sorta have a point, but you do realize you're the only one voting Bacde right now yes? Put your vote somewhere more useful. Like on Desp!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey guys lets unvote nacho and lynch desp plz

ok thanks

Where's this Desperado push coming from?

I asked him to, Bulb.

I'm not sure I buy that, especially with how hard he was pushing the Nacho wagon. The shift is disconcerting.

its cos nacho is starting to feel more like town nacho and he isn't going to want to lynch someone who is a really strong player when he is starting to pick up town vibes from

it is right here in the game.

speaking of

nachooooooo I was hoping to connect with you before I logged into my main where are you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

syrlacious who is in your town pile right now

[Bulbazak]

Well, you sorta have a point, but you do realize you're the only one voting Bacde right now yes? Put your vote somewhere more useful. Like on Desp!

Actually, I'm getting around to it. In fact, here's the "lynch list" I said I was going to post:

Will Lynch (AKA Scum)

:

Oversoul

: His play has just felt fake. His informed townie claim was a lie, which he later admitted to, and he contradicted himself on the reasons why he claimed. He said he did it for reactions, and then he isn't able to judge any of the reactions? But what really gets me is how often he backpedals. I mean, seriously, go back and read his ISO. It's backpedal central in there.

Red Ryu

: I remember thinking he was scummy during the pregame, but it is his chainsaw defense of Oversoul that really gets me. He was using the Nacho wagon as a convenient way to protect Oversoul. It was an opportunistic vote to protect a partner, and it was scummy.

Bacde

: I have a hard time believing town could tunnel to such an extent as to not have reasons to vote for someone and to ignore the game. I think this is scum who saw weakness and is pushing it as hard as he can to get rid of a potentially powerful player, hoping to be written off as a tunneling townie. His recent desire to disregard any past posts when it comes to scumhunting is not town in the slightest, and his jump on more popular wagons is highly suspicious.

Desperado

: His argument with Nacho was bad, but it was the entire slip regarding Nacho being prey to confirmation bias that tipped him from null/scum to scum.

Might Lynch (AKA Compromise Lynches)

:

Cephrir

: I've been going back and forth on Cephrir. At times I can see where people are coming from, but other times he just seems like a clueless townie to me. He's one of those reads that I'll have to sort through during the night. If it comes down to it, though, this may be a good lynch if we can't agree on somebody scummier (unlikely).

Fuzzybutternut

: I've played with both town and scum Fuzzy, and while I still have difficulty reading him at times, I can say this for certain: This is not town Fuzzy. It's mainly the sheeping and not giving any reads thing. I've never seen town Fuzzy do this, and to compound things, he refuses to answer when I ask him about it. This is not Fuzzy's town play, which makes me believe he is scum.

ArcAngel9

: While I believe AA9 is probably town, her posts are incredibly difficult to read, and she tends not to be useful to town. She has a tendency to attack town while simultaneously defending scum. She's not a player you want to have going too far into the game. She makes a good compromise lynch in the event we can't find scum, and it would help in eliminating noise and a potentially anti-town player from the game.

With all that being said...

Unvote

Vote Desperado

[Syryana]

syrlacious who is in your town pile right now

Nacho, you, KK, Nero, Slandaar, probably Peregrine (had a townread on DLG).

Leaning town on people like Om, AK. Can't decide what to do with Thor, Bacde, Bulb.