The MafiaScum Minecraft Thread - AllTheMods 9!!! - NEW Vanilla?

[Klazam]

also, I was thinking about it- copper is a inferior tool making material as compared to iron, so it's not a big deal to have a lot of copper, IMO. the and forestry uses lots of copper, yes, but take lots of other stuff too. I think it's fine as is?

[Rhinox]

one of the mods add petroleum

What is this petroleum and what mod adds it? I googled and couldn't find anything about it. To be clear, this is different from the oil deposits added by buildcraft right?

oh traincraft. Anyways, I was just trying to figure out what uses petroleum to have an opinion on whether it should stay or go.

As for forestry, yes it uses a lot of copper indirectly, in that most recipes call for bronze. So just having infinite copper doesn't really get you anywhere. IDK about just copper for tools, but bronze makes armor/tools almost as good as iron but with 30% higher durability. But again, its bronze, and not just copper.

[Rhinox]

whoa traincraft adds a zeppelin??????

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While in a Zeppelin, you must not get out or disconnect unless you are wearing fall damage resistant armor or a jetpack.

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[izakthegoomba]

Hey klaz, the buildcraft link is broken and it doesn't look like there's a mirror.

[Klazam]

well, get out above water or wool. problem solved.

I for one will be making one and having a landing platform

pedit: whaa. let me check

[izakthegoomba]

Factorization, too. D:

[Klazam]

http://www.mod-buildcraft.com/
3.5.0

[izakthegoomba]

BC
Factorization
Forestry
Inventory Tweaks

^all borked. Other than those four I've got my MultiMC instance set up an ready for testing.

[izakthegoomba]

http://www.mod-buildcraft.com/
3.5.0

Yeah, that's broken too.

[izakthegoomba]

Just realised I didn't click through the last adf.ly - ExtraBees is broken too.

[Rhinox]

well, get out above water or wool. problem solved.

I was just thinking in terms of the spontaneous crashes we had and how much grief this would cause if they continue on the new server (but hopefully not with the new modpack and all)

[Maestro]

izak, you really need to get on IRC or PM us before doing things like this...or at least look at the Google Doc.
I've had a working MultiMC instance for about 36 hours now and we're waiting on Maru since doing all the work to get the Mod permissions a second time is ridiculously foolish

[izakthegoomba]

I thought Maru didn't want to be involved any more...?

Anyway, almost all the modmakers we might otherwise need to contact have explicitly granted permission for private FTB packs - have a look at this.

Anyway, I'll PM you what I've got, in the format they want it. The ones marked ">>>NEED PERMISSION" should be the only ones we still need explicit permission from the modmakers for.

[Klazam]

well, get out above water or wool. problem solved.

I was just thinking in terms of the spontaneous crashes we had and how much grief this would cause if they continue on the new server (but hopefully not with the new modpack and all)

my computer cannot run any kind of ftb modpack without crashing in ssp.

it runs this pack just fine.

hopefully that shows something.

[Maestro]

I thought Maru didn't want to be involved any more...?

Anyway, almost all the modmakers we might otherwise need to contact have explicitly granted permission for private FTB packs - have a look at this.

Anyway, I'll PM you what I've got, in the format they want it. The ones marked ">>>NEED PERMISSION" should be the only ones we still need explicit permission from the modmakers for.

we found this about 18 hours ago and I showed Klaz on IRC but okkk...

<3 you izak

[izakthegoomba]

Point still stands - at most it takes 30 minutes to compile the vast majority of the permissions we have.

...at least tell me you didn't make a separate info file too?

[Maestro]

AND WHAT IF I DID

nah I didn't...but I did get MCPC+ working beautifully
GET ON IRC PLZ AND THANK YOU

[izakthegoomba]

I'm on...

[Maruchan]

whoa traincraft adds a zeppelin??????

edit:

While in a Zeppelin, you must not get out or disconnect unless you are wearing fall damage resistant armor or a jetpack.

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Yes, it's a little flying ship thing. Pretty fun i played with it back before we switched to DW20

[Andrius]

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While in a Zeppelin, you must not get out or disconnect unless you are wearing fall damage resistant armor or a jetpack.

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[izakthegoomba]

Small update on FTB stuffs:

Apart from the petroleum issue/non-issue, the mods seem to work together just fine. Currently we're waiting on Klaz sending me the official MultiMC instance, Maru gathering the few permissions we're still lacking, and me taking a look over the configs - then we're pretty much ready to submit the pack. Private packs go live on Thursdays and preparing the map shouldn't take long, so if everything goes to plan the server should be up some time this weekend.

[Rhinox]

so if everything goes to plan the server should be up some time this weekend.

[fuzzybutternut]

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[Rhinox]

So... I just brought up in IRC and others in there also had a little discussion about whether it is time to reboot the vanilla server, start fresh WITHOUT tp and warp and other such commands.

My reasons for the reboot and my change of heart:

1) warp and tp were used extensively when the server was formed, and it is difficult get around the server without them
2) nether was lost during server migrations a while back, thus getting around using previously established nether paths no longer works
3) pretty much no one has been on the server since the FTB server started

Someone else also mentioned that with FTB also restarting, it would be like ushering in a full new age for the mafiascum servers. This can be a positive or negative though because starting fresh on 2 servers at once would be difficult.

I feel like now that we have 2 servers, it will be easier to keep the vanilla server as vanilla as possible (no teleporting / warping / home / etc commands), and keep the non-vanilla stuff in the FTB server. On the downside, there is some cool stuff in the vanilla server that we would be saying goodbye to, but IMO overall we can build a better server without the /warp command effecting how the server forms. We'd have to rely on building vanilla transportation methods - OW and nether roads and rails. Rather than just wandering off to god knows where, knowing you have the /tp, /warp, /home crutch to fall back on. Vanilla is so much better without that stuff. Its possible I have nostalgia goggles, but no vanilla server has been as awesome as the world that existed when I first joined the server. So many cool structures and so many cool roads and subways connecting everything. At one point all MME was doing on the server was going around building roads and bridges. It was awesome. It can be awesome again.

In the past, I was against resets on the vanilla server, but over the past few months while I was on FTB, and after we lost the nether, seeing the vanilla server sit there largely unused.. that it is just time to start fresh. As it stands now, I don't see myself investing time in the existing vanilla server. It is so disjointed, broken, and unused that it would just feel like I was playing SSP. I would rather spend my effort on FTB because it feels more community oriented. IMO, there are 2 ways to fix the vanilla server and make it community-centric again. 1) A massive overhaul involving pretty much everyone who's been on the server, to go in and renetwork all the places. 2) Reset and allow the server to regrow organically without the corruption that /warp and /tping causes.

I don't believe option (1) can realistically happen. I feel option (2) is the best option and the only option where it makes sense to even keep the vanilla server at all. In its current state, we'd be better off moving the RAM for the vanilla server to the FTB. Just IMO. But I want the vanilla server to survive, and to be better!

Thoughts?

[Klazam]

I support restarting vanilla