Micro 182 - Buzzword Bingo (SPEED WAGONED)

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:35 am

Actually that was hammer.

Game should be over now.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:38 am

Btw I called you scum cause you acting like 2 was a surprise kill. That's bullshit and you know it. He was the most likely target.

If we have a doc/bg and wasn't on 2, you are a dumbass

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:39 am

oh fuck, that was the hammer.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:37 am

Vote Count 2.1Nachomamma8 [

] - Human Destroyer, Majiffy, DrCirno, Jake from State Farm
Human Destroyer [1/4] - Nachomamma8

Cautious Scumbags (Not Voting): Syryana, ArcAngel9

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With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch

Deadline: June 26th at Midnight (GMT-7)

(expired on 2013-06-26 23:59:59)

Mod Notes

* That was fast
* So my mac just crashed but firefox recovered this post!

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:12 am

Nacho looooooves bandwagons. So much in fact that he just can't stop voting for them. Does that make scum? I guess it depends on your definition of scum.

Personally I blame society. Nacho can't control his addiction...It just happens. Maybe if you had voted him into rehab you wouldn't be such terrible people.

But I guess in this context he was scum, because you probably already noticed the #FF0000 text and the mafia goon label right next to Nacho's name.

But you were all pretty worried about how long the thread has been locked for right? OMG I bet its arcangel, shes been totally of my radar and if it really isn't Nacho then it must be her.

It looks like Nacho is off the wagon for the last time. Wagons are swift and sometimes they are just.

Nachomamma8,

Bandwagon Hopping

(Mafia Goon)

, was justly wagoned to death on Day 2.

Setup

3 Town Vanillas (Jake, Majiffy, Arcangel)
2 Millers (Syryana, DrDirno)
1 Rolecop (HD)
1 2-Shot Cop (2)
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1 Mafia Godfather (mastin2)
1 Mafia Goon (Nacho)

My thoughts

So the idea behind the setup was that the Rolecop can clear the cop and the millers and get a guilty on the godfather. The cop can clear the other townies and get a guilty on the other mafia member. So it was 2 investigative roles at the core that both worked on about half of the players.

I think maybe 2 millers was too many and, ironically?, town sided as orcinus kinda figured out right away. The setup was a little bit obvious and I feel bad about that.

Although really I think the town _did_ play well lynching correctly 2 times in a row without running PRs up for a claim or lynching any VTs or town whatsoever.

In fact Im a little shocked at how well the town steamrolled this and my last game. I didn't think this setup was particularly townsided and the last one was definitely leaning scum sided. : ?

I'd like to apologize for being V/LA for most of this game. To be fair, I was at a mafiascum meetup which turned out to be a lot of fun and I was on vacation from work. >.< Sorry about that.

Role PMs in the next post.

fferyllt · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:16 am

gg town.

We viewed Nacho last night, so I was very happy to see the votes piling up today.

Nacho, meta says I die N1 when you are scum. This is exploitable. :/

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:17 am

Spoiler: Arcangel9

Spoiler: Syryana

Spoiler: Jake from State Farm

Spoiler: Human Destroyer

Spoiler: Orci/Majiffy

Nacho:

AngryPidgeon wrote:
Bandwagon Hopping
Role Name
:
Vanilla (Goon)

Win Condition
:
Definitely Not Town
; Do anti-town things.

Bandwagons. Bandwagons. Oh my god Bandwagons. You fucking love bandwagons. They are the best thing ever. Period. Jumping around them is the only way you know how to appear aggressive as scum so you are constantly on and off the wagons as they rise and fall.

Your posts are pretty obviously scum-motivated but fortunately everyone else seems to be town v towning pretty hard. You should probably comment on that...Say something that only a townie would say. Something like "That argument is probably town on town, but if one of them is scum the other probably is too!". NAILED IT. Thats exactly what a townie would say. Now you just have to resist the temptation to vote one of them.

Spoiler:

Abilities

(I vote Libertarian!) - You can vote..for whatever good it does you.
(Ugh I hate rolling scum) - You may bitch about that in the mafia QT and conspire against the town out of pure spite that they rolled your favorite alignment, etc, etc. You may talk here at any time of the game and submit a factional kill every night in bold.

Confirmation

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Spoiler: mastin

AngryPidgeon wrote:I swear this was random ><

Smokescreening Wall Scum
Role Name
:
Godfather

Win Condition
:
Definitely Not Town
; Do anti-town things.

Welcome to mafiascum buzzword bingo! I'd like to give an individual shout-out to all 10 players in this game that I have played with before. I'm going to be slightly limited access this game due to {college, job, other games} but I will keep my activity up above a certain point.

AngryPidgeon wrote:*clearly scum motivated posting*
So far I kind of think that AngryPidgeon might be scum. He is posting an awful lot, but none of it really sticks out to me as likely town posting. I just got out of a game with him in which he was {town/scum} and did {not-this/exactly-this} style of posting. Usually I would expect him to be more adamant about his townieness and more confrontational to anyone that disagrees. Furthermore, he is not being nearly as OMGUSy as I would expect. There are a few snide remarks at places in his posts but they feel thrown in after the fact. The genuine feel of his emotion just isn't there.

His push on his top scum suspect is also suspect. HIs case seems to be almost entirely {AtE, IIoA, OMGUS, WIFOM} and I'm just not seeing where his scum read is coming from objectively. I guess its possible that AP is town and its even more likely if his top scumspect flips scum (I strongly doubt he would bus that hard, all things considered) but that hasn't happened yet and at the very least I think AP needs more pressure right now.

VOTE: That one guy who has votes already
The wagon on my top town read is clearly {a shitty wagon, scum-driven, making me doubt my read}. Its kind of a gut feel, but I just don't see {how people can be this fucking dumb, why a town-aligned player would vote someone so obv-town, how it is so slow and not driven by probscum players}. I'm really torn on this one though, its most likely my paranoia kicking in. On one hand, it really could be a town-driven wagon on town, but I could also see it being a scum-driven wagon on town or even a town driven wagon on scum. The way that my other top scum read is not on the wagon is really odd. I would say that raises the percent chance of my other beliefs to be higher than it was before I wrote this sentence. Regardless, I still would like to see where this wagon goes because it will likely give us a lot of information after some flips.

Prod-dodge
That one inactive guy sure is lurking a lot. I'm starting to think he may be compromise vote material. I don't even particularly think he's likely scum, lol, but he's just anti-town and there is a better than average chance anyways. What does everyone else think about that and why? Links to meta on this player would be nice. I've seen town do this, but I'm also always paranoid that scum are lurking past me under my radar, lol.

A vigilante should shoot this slot tonight. Its the most pro-town use of a vigilante role. Anyone who disagrees is probably wrong and should cite MD articles to back their point.

I'm pretty sure that
Smokescreening Wall Scum
is just scum and throwing up smokescreens and walls
This is untrue. If you look at my meta, you will clearly see examples of me posting like this as both alignments. I just have a lot of things to say and I don't really filter myself as they come to my mind. In fact, you aren't scum are you? I find it awfully suspicious that you are making this accusation of me without having done any research on my meta first. Who are your other top scum reads and why?

I'm just really not feeling your case on me right now. Its not even an omgus, you can see if you meta me that I don't do that. I just don't get your thought process. I'm not playing to a Not-town win con this game and you haven't really given any reasonable evidence to the contrary.

We should lease the SK, its pro-town!
LEASE, LOL. I think you meant leash. Although I wouldn't mind leasing an SK I guess. I read an MD thread about this once, maybe I'll try to dig that up…IIRC people were pretty split on what to do in a game where this came up once. I think it was actually quite similar to the situation we are in now. I want everyone's official opinion on whether or not we should lynch the claimed SK. Give me like at least 500 words about the benefits and costs of doing it. Personally, Im on the fence about it. I think that there are likely some benefits, but there are probably also some costs. Ultimately I would be ok with either option, but I'm leaning towards lynching them right now just because they suspect me and I don't want them to effectively mislynch me by NKing me.

What is everyone's read on me right now? I'm really curious. I'm just having a hard time getting my head in this game.

Abilities

(I vote Libertarian!) - You can vote..for whatever good it does you.
(Ugh I hate rolling scum) - You may bitch about that in the mafia QT and conspire against the town out of pure spite that they rolled your favorite alignment, etc, etc. You may talk here at any time of the game and submit a factional kill every night in bold.
(Furthermore...) - You post a lot. So much in fact, that people have trouble scumhunting you amidst all the crap you post. You will read as 'Innocent' to cop investigations.

Confirmation

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Spoiler: DrCirno

Squared:

AngryPidgeon wrote:
Vote Count Analysis
Role Name
:
2-Shot Cop

Win Condition
:
Town
; Do pro-town things.

Spoiler: VC 1.0
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown:

ConfirmedScumBag
:

Myself:

DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR:
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker:
Flaker:

Not Voting(9): ProbableScumBag, ObviousTown, ConfirmedScumBag, Myself, DubiousIndividual, ClaimedPR, ConfirmedTown, Lurker, Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

Spoiler: VC 1.1
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
)

ConfirmedScumBag
:

Myself
: (
ObviousTown
,
ConfirmedTown
, ProbableScumBag)
DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR:
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
)
Flaker: (
Myself
)
Not Voting(3): DubiousIndividual, Lurker, Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

I've color coded these VCs to how I see the game. ProbableScumBag is placing an L - 1 vote on me for really shaky reasoning early on.

Spoiler: VC 1.2
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
)

ConfirmedScumBag
:

Myself
: (ProbableScumBag)
DubiousIndividual: (
ConfirmedTown
)
ClaimedPR: (
ObviousTown
,
Myself
, DubiousIndividual)
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
)
Flaker:
Not Voting(2): Lurker, Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

This is where ClaimedPR claimed PR. I dislike DubiousIndividual's dubious wagon hop that made the claim happen.

Spoiler: VC 1.3
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
, Lurker)

ConfirmedScumBag
:

Myself
: (ProbableScumBag)
DubiousIndividual: (
ConfirmedTown
)
ClaimedPR: (
ObviousTown
,
Myself
, DubiousIndividual)
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
)
Flaker:
Not Voting(1): Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

Lurker's vote is terrible, but I think I see him as town here.

Spoiler: VC 1.4
ProbableScumBag: (
Myself
)
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
, Lurker)

ConfirmedScumBag
ConfirmedTown
)

Myself
:
DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR: (
ObviousTown
, DubiousIndividual)
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
, ProbableScumBag)
Flaker:
Not Voting(1): Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

ProbableScumBag is too quick to join me on this wagon before I move over to him. He's clearly just voting to get pressure onto anyone other than him.

Spoiler: VC 1.5
ProbableScumBag: (
Myself
)
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
, Lurker, ProbableScumBag)

ConfirmedScumBag
ConfirmedTown
)

Myself
:
DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR: (
ObviousTown
, DubiousIndividual)
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
)
Flaker:
Not Voting(1): Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

Another wagon hop from the probable mafia.

Spoiler: VC 1.6
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown: (
ClaimedPR
, Lurker)

ConfirmedScumBag
ConfirmedTown
,
Myself
, ProbableScumBag,
ObviousTown
)

Myself
:
DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR: (DubiousIndividual)
ConfirmedTown:
Lurker: (
ConfirmedScumbag
)
Flaker:
Not Voting(1): Flaker
With 9 alive its 5 to lynch!

Note that I was the one that pushed the ConfirmedScumBag wagon past the tipping point. ProbableScumBuddy was just along for the bus at that point.

Spoiler: VC 2.0
ProbableScumBag:
ObviousTown:

Myself
:
DubiousIndividual:
ClaimedPR:
Lurker:
Flaker:
Not Voting(1): Flaker, ObviousTown, Lurker, Myself, DubiousIndividual, ProbableScumBag, ClaimedPR
With 7 alive its 4 to lynch!

I dislike how ProbableScumBag is being conservative with his vote here.

Abilities

(I vote Libertarian!) - You can vote..for whatever good it does you.
(I'm a cop you idiot) - You are a cop. Idiot. On any 2 nights you may PM me the name of a player and I will tell you if they are Guilty or Innocent.

Confirmation

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Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:18 am

whew, I thought I fucked up.

sorry for all the issues I caused

off to the cold showers for me

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:20 am

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:21 am

See, I

knew

that suspicion was strategic.

I fucking knew it.

fferyllt · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:21 am

AP, thanks for hosting the game and putting up with all the noise.

I don't know if the game was all that townsided. I think it came down to player list tbh. Several people who could read each other signed up. Getting a town read on the first miller made the 2nd one's reaction a gimmie. It was bad luck for town that squared was the cop, but in the overall scheme, that view didn't matter.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:23 am

the playerlist was townsided, if anything

I really didn't take even my N1 result (which was a Vanilla on Jiffy btw) into consideration when figuring who was scum.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:25 am

This setup was town sided but the setup didn't factor as to why town won the game

DrCirno · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:47 am

Oh yay.
My role PM is the shortest

fferyllt · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:49 am

b and I did not know what the hell to think of our role PM.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:49 am

GG
and good work townies..

this is a perfect town win

at least nearly....

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:49 am

In post 1788, DrCirno wrote:Oh yay.
My role PM is the shortest

That may or may not be because I had to make some last miute changes to the setup for balance purposes

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:51 am

In post 1790, ArcAngel9 wrote:GG
and good work townies..
this is a perfect town win at least nearly....

why do you freak out when people vote you?

why was 2 a "surprise" kill?

saulres · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:53 am

Holy cow. Those role PMs were almost as long as Day 1. Almost.

I think this game might hold the record for "Biggest discrepancy between D1 and D2 measured in posts" because yeah.

Good job to the town.

But I have to say, reading the arguments between Jake and B make me really wish this could actually be implemented. So even more kudos to the town because I know if I were in this game I wouldn't be able to scumhunt from the noise.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:57 am

if the foe function worked in game threads, there would have been a lot less to read that's for sure.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:02 am

In post 1792, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 1790, ArcAngel9 wrote:GG
and good work townies..
this is a perfect town win at least nearly....
why do you freak out when people vote you?

why was 2 a "surprise" kill?

Becuz you were all on "2" despite what they were arguments were... there were so much noise in the game, so there wasn't anything real argumetns, MASTIN played really bad scum game... it was just blunt and he used the tactic that every scum uses which is "acting like a victim" the twon mastin i knew is a better player than that. So that's I wasn't interested in your wagon or other wagaon than just Mastin. I knew HD is town. We always find each other when we both are town. And i know that you could be agrresive as town, and B & ffer were most obvious town especially their arguments with you, if they were scum, they would have rather get you lynched but rather they were open for other options that confirmed me to see them as town.

If i am the scum, I rather keep 2 in game and have you both continue the same noise and I will try to hide behind it.
But NACHO made a amazing choice in taking down 2, 2 was the cop it he hadn't, the game would have ended but the game ended either ways becuz he played a bad scum game too on d1, that's the only difference.

fferyllt · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:04 am

b and I did our best to play like don't give a fuck vanilla town from the get go. I'm going to feel bad if we were the N1K because we looked like a PR and not because we are badass. :/

fferyllt · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:05 am

^^ don't give a fuck about surviving that is.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:58 am

In post 1780, fferyllt wrote:gg town.

We viewed Nacho last night, so I was very happy to see the votes piling up today.

Nacho, meta says I die N1 when you are scum. This is exploitable. :/

I think I can leave you alive past N1 now.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:01 am

God let me be scum in a game with ffly & nacho town. lol