Open 511: Diffusion of Power: (Mod Abandoned)

[DCLXVI]

Vote: Taskmaster actually, because his name is long and difficult to pronounce.

My name has a pronunciation?

vote:baezu

[DCLXVI]

Love the story of this game, by the way.

I had skipped the flavor until you said this.

Starting the game with the cannibalization of a mod...that's harsh man.

unvote:bazue

vote:venrob

MY EYES!

[DCLXVI]

Confirm vote venrob (this is now a serious vote)

methinks the top line is a bit of an overreaction to being voted during rvs.

and yes I saw your meta but it was good enough of a reason for a second rvs vote since my first rvs vote sucked.

[DCLXVI]

I think we need to be especially careful with running people up and having them claim in this setup.

[DCLXVI]

There is good towny chaos, and scummy chaos. His overreaction to a completely silly RVS vote on him by myself is scummy.

'oh my eyes' is all I said when I voted him. And he was all like No No NO I'm not scum thats my meta no I am NOT scum (yes I'm paraphrasing). He seemed overly concerned with being caught.

[DCLXVI]

vote:saki

I'm going to go with a leap of faith and say venmar/radioactive is more likely to flip out as town rather then scum (the ragequiting not his reaction to my RVS vote)

vote:Saki I think there was one scum on the venmar wagon and he fits the bill with his insistence on getting him lynched quickly.

Second choice would be pwnz.

[DCLXVI]

No, I don't troll

vote:saki

[DCLXVI]

No, I don't troll

vote:saki

seemed like you were with the double vote and misvote and all.

So instead of attempting to refute me, you resort to trying to discredit me by claiming that I am trolling...scum please.

[DCLXVI]

Hmmm.... We have a bunch of players, unable to take a joke, and a joker who can't take any criticism and thus got replaced. Anything else I missed?

Oh, and this game has players with really long names. Except Saki and Pwnz.

VOTE: Nights

because he seems to not be able to take Venrob's jokes.

Saki is a close second for that reason.

i like jokes
Venrob was a troll and I was feeding the troll

And how exactly is that pro-town behavior?

[DCLXVI]

how is feeding a troll pro-scum?

Playing stupid doesn't suit you.

I don't think I need to explain that.

But I will anyways.

Goading people on to intentionally upset them and make them play bad allows them to be more easily mislynched. It also means that scum won't look bad for being on the mislynch cause the person being lynched either 'deserved it' or 'was just a bad player'.

It should be the goal of the town to get the best out of all of its inhabitants, not to intentionally make them play worse.

[DCLXVI]

To clarify, I made my vote on venmar serious because he did what I saw as the first scummy action of the game.

Confirm vote venrob (this is now a serious vote)

However, it certainly did not deserve a quicklynch which is what Saki was trying to push.

more votes on this guy please

he needs to go

[DCLXVI]

Since you appear to like refuting me pasch, why did you not respond to post 94 when commenting on post 87?

[DCLXVI]

So everything is ok cause nothing bad happened...

That is such a non sequitur response.

My argument is that Saki WAS trying to make something bad happen and is therefor scum. Just because she didn't succeed doesn't mean that what she did was not scummy.

[DCLXVI]

Now answer why your attack on Saki isn't equally applicable to you?

To clarify, I made my vote on venmar serious because he did what I saw as the first scummy action of the game.

Confirm vote venrob (this is now a serious vote)

However, it certainly did not deserve a quicklynch which is what Saki was trying to push.

more votes on this guy please

he needs to go

To clarify even further. Did venmar do anything to deserve getting lynched? No.

But then you will probably ask, why did I vote him? Good question. That would be because he did the first thing that could be categorized as scummy and I was calling it out in an attempt to get out of RVS which I'm not terribly fond of.

Saki was actually advocating him being lynched and implying for more votes on someone who is at L-3 is basically saying you are good with a quicklynch.

I believe I also mentioned that we should be careful of running people up and making them claim which also shows my intent of not wanting a quick wagon.

[DCLXVI]

So everything is ok cause nothing bad happened...

That is such a non sequitur response.

My argument is that Saki WAS trying to make something bad happen and is therefor scum. Just because she didn't succeed doesn't mean that what she did w as not scummy.

he*

Yeah, should have checked but I just chose to guess.

(totally non related post)

why do so many guys have female avatars? (and before you say I must be female cause I have a cat there is nothing in my pic that indicates the cats gender.)

Pedit, there is a player named venmar on MS, names are confusing past 1 am.

[DCLXVI]

Can you explain the Saki and pwns reads.

[DCLXVI]

I don't believe in the amished tell. (which states basically that calling a predecessor scummy is a scumtell).

[DCLXVI]

holy crap

I just spent the first three pages thinking my own slot was scum.

this is going to be a great game...

If wolf was town

Then why would he feel the need to mention this

I agree. This seems EXTREMELY scummy to me.

I don't believe in the amished tell. (which states basically that calling a predecessor scummy is a scumtell).

[DCLXVI]

bad wagon is bad, what he did was not scummy.

[DCLXVI]

Why is scum on wagon a horribly out of place argument?

[DCLXVI]

Why are you calling someone out for a policy lynch idea which is pretty much just a joke?

ns

Who is this post directed at.

[DCLXVI]

but doesn't support them with a vote. H

I only have one vote. It's on my strongest scumspect at the moment.

[DCLXVI]

but doesn't support them with a vote. H

I only have one vote. It's on my strongest scumspect at the moment.

Do you consider Saki scummy outside of the "Lynch all hydras" thing?

RTFT

[DCLXVI]

So if it is ok for you to act like that why was it not ok in your mind for venrob to act like that?

[DCLXVI]

waw what an interesting thing i just saw

just a note guys, scum would not walk to risk playing funny in mafia usually because it makes them very good lynch targets

post wont be today i am afraid, i will travel after 2 days and I dont really have much time but ill try to do it 2moro

Completely false. Being funny doesn't usually result in someone getting lynched either.

[DCLXVI]

You see,

venrob was not about to be lynched for being funny, he was overreacting.
Saki is not being voted for being funny, saki is being voted for attempting to get venrob lynched quickly, and for hypocrisy.

Being funny isn't scummy or towny, its simply a way a player plays.

[DCLXVI]

by my count i'm l-4. stop voting me or i will dayvig you. If i'm defensive thas cuz i don like retards voting me because i made a fucking joke. get a fucking sense of humor or leave me the fuck alone.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Venrob

Hi All!

VOTE: N64lord

cuz you're obsoloete - we're on the Wii now!

why not vote venrob?

*double vote Venrob*

like, wtf dayvig

I have not made a serious post yet, exception being saying 'WTF i'm being bw'd for makeing jokes, get the fuck off!'. With that said, VOTE: My Dad for yelling at me over a misunderstanding earlier today.

sigh

more votes on this guy please

he needs to go

Oh really?

[DCLXVI]

if 'more votes on this guy please, he needs to go' is not asking for someone to be lynched quickly how else do you want to explain that saki?

[DCLXVI]

I don't believe you.

BUT, even if it is true that your goal was just to 'feed the troll' I believe this is what I had to say about that.

how is feeding a troll pro-scum?

Playing stupid doesn't suit you.

I don't think I need to explain that.

But I will anyways.

Goading people on to intentionally upset them and make them play bad allows them to be more easily mislynched. It also means that scum won't look bad for being on the mislynch cause the person being lynched either 'deserved it' or 'was just a bad player'.

It should be the goal of the town to get the best out of all of its inhabitants, not to intentionally make them play worse.

[DCLXVI]

So either you are scum going for a quick lynch or scum goading someone into playing bad and becoming an easy mislynch.

[DCLXVI]

fa;sdfaklsfaakl;f;laskd;lska

circular arguments

I told you I

am

stupid >_>

Not really.

I think you were trying to get venrob lynched quickly. [you haven't really come and denied that that is what your post looked like]
You claim that all you were doing is feeding a troll.

The issue is that both of those scenarios are not actions that I think would be coming from a town perspective or that are helpful to the town.

[DCLXVI]

It

is

a circular argument because I've already said I was trying to rile up Venrob by putting votes on him and you're saying it's me pushing for an easy lynch.

Go look up the definition of a circular argument and then get back to me ok?

Oh wait, I'll just tell you.

X is true because Y is true. And we know Y is true because X is true. and then it goes on and on and on.

[DCLXVI]

I have not made a serious post yet, exception being saying 'WTF i'm being bw'd for makeing jokes, get the fuck off!'. With that said, VOTE: My Dad for yelling at me over a misunderstanding earlier today.

sigh

more votes on this guy please

he needs to go

I say this is proof that you wanted to quick lynch venrob, or at least lynch him quickly.

Do you disagree, if so, please explain why.

.....................

You claim that you were just feeding the troll. I have explained why this is anti-town/scummy in the following post:

I don't believe you.

BUT, even if it is true that your goal was just to 'feed the troll' I believe this is what I had to say about that.

how is feeding a troll pro-scum?

Playing stupid doesn't suit you.

I don't think I need to explain that.

But I will anyways.

Goading people on to intentionally upset them and make them play bad allows them to be more easily mislynched. It also means that scum won't look bad for being on the mislynch cause the person being lynched either 'deserved it' or 'was just a bad player'.

It should be the goal of the town to get the best out of all of its inhabitants, not to intentionally make them play worse.

Do you disagree, if so, please explain why.
..........

Oh, and one final thing. You were going after venrob for being silly yet are being silly yourself. Do explain why that isn't a fine example of hypocrisy.

Good luck Pasche

Saki is being hypocritical with regards to the whole Venrob thing. He was attacking his joking while he himself likes to post fluff on the thread.Example, page 10 Saki posts.

ns

I've yet to see a good response to this either.
................

And there is a difference between my vote on venrob and yours.

I voted him cause he was the first person to act scummy. Could I have eventually considered him to be the best choice for day 1. Yes, but that wasn't garunteed.

You acted as if you immediately wanted him out as quickly as possible (see the top of this post for why I think that), and you claim to have been goading him (feeding the troll) which would have made him easier to get lynched.



....................
In other words, my case on saki is this:

I believe saki wanted to get venrob quickly, and I have quoted quotes from saki to this effect.
Saki has admitted to goading venrob, which as I have shown is anti-town and scummy, it also exasperated venrobs behavior which would have made him an easier mislynch had he remained in the game
Furthermore, saki is also being hypocritical as he attacked venrob for basically the same thing he is doing, being silly and making fluff/pointless posts/comments.

It's your turn saki...

Oh wait, I think this is called checkmate.

[DCLXVI]

You response is this

"NO NO, that's not true"

you would do better with explaining why my case is not true.

[DCLXVI]

In other words

denying does not equal refuting

One is pointless and just makes you look scummier and the other might convince people not to lynch you if you could ever get around to doing it.

[DCLXVI]

You explain why you think it is bs.

[DCLXVI]

i think it's bs because the 'facts' that you base your case off on aren't true

Then explain why you think they are not true.

[DCLXVI]

I already told you me pushing Venrob was me trying to make him angrier, and that was the only reason.

You don't believe me. That's the end of that.

You want to try and explain how that behavior was in any way helpful to the town?

[DCLXVI]

with soo much inactivity i cant get a read on any but the few people who are posting

Me and Saki are posting... Your reads on us?

[DCLXVI]

explain to me why you pushed Venrob.

actually never mind
VOTE: DCLXVI

This (as well as your last vote) is called an OMGUS, in case anybody was wondering..

................

Saki still is scummy,

but

vote:baezu

I got major scumvibes off of his last post. He needs to hang today. Very badly.

No this is not a joke or a reaction test.

[DCLXVI]

Actually case on me? You mean the case that I'm scum cause my case on you is bad?

Link the question I didn't see it.

[DCLXVI]

Oh, that question.

I already told you me pushing Venrob was me trying to make him angrier, and that was the only reason.

You don't believe me. That's the end of that.

You want to try and explain how that behavior was in any way helpful to the town?

It's not and I apologized for it.

I'm sick of this argument, though, explain to me why

you

pushed Venrob.

I've believe I have explained this several times in my iso. I ignored you because it was already answered.

[DCLXVI]

@saki, you still never have actually provided an substanative argument against my case on you and you have the GALL to call me scum for it when you don't even take the time to respond to parts of it.

[DCLXVI]

And there is a difference between my vote on venrob and yours.

I voted him cause he was the first person to act scummy. Could I have eventually considered him to be the best choice for day 1. Yes, but that wasn't garunteed.

You acted as if you immediately wanted him out as quickly as possible (see the top of this post for why I think that), and you claim to have been goading him (feeding the troll) which would have made him easier to get lynched.

Oh, and the fact that you didn't see this part of my post (which was close to the bottom of my case) is further proof that you aren't even really reading what I am posting.

[DCLXVI]

You haven't even read my case completely saki, so shut up about it being bad.

[DCLXVI]

Anyway, this is distracting from what I really want to do at the moment which is to ask everyone to sheep me onto baezu.

[DCLXVI]

And there is a difference between my vote on venrob and yours.

I voted him cause he was the first person to act scummy. Could I have eventually considered him to be the best choice for day 1. Yes, but that wasn't garunteed.

You acted as if you immediately wanted him out as quickly as possible (see the top of this post for why I think that), and you claim to have been goading him (feeding the troll) which would have made him easier to get lynched.

Oh, and the fact that you didn't see this part of my post (which was close to the bottom of my case) is further proof that you aren't even really reading what I am posting.

Why did you

push

Venrob?
Not "Why did you initially vote Venrob?"

Um, those two reasons are one and the same...

[DCLXVI]

and honestly, from my POV I know I am town and I suspect there was scum going after venrob, givenyour inconsistencies, (which I pointed out) the fact that you were intentionally goading him on to doing more scummy stuff it makes sense that you were the scum on that wagon.

[DCLXVI]

Noctan, I am trying to talk about other thing.... read the thread.

but

vote:baezu

I got major scumvibes off of his last post. He needs to hang today. Very badly.

Anyway, this is distracting from what I really want to do at the moment which is to ask everyone to sheep me onto baezu.

No this is not a joke or a reaction test.

[DCLXVI]

Lolz, quote fail, but at least all of it is there

[DCLXVI]

The motivation behind 13 was the same as 17 and 37, we were in the process of getting the game out of RVS.

[DCLXVI]

@Saki, did you maybe even realize that perhaps I unvoted you and attempted to put attention on someone else because while I think you are scum this back and forth is getting incredibly annoying?

[DCLXVI]

not getting the baezu vote, please explain the scumminess of the post.

I can't.

It's a gut read that I feel really strongly about.

................

Pedit, I figured putting my vote on someone other than saki was enough of a hint, and I was going to say more and then I got caught up arguing with him again. But, at least we are clear now.

[DCLXVI]

@Saki, did you maybe even realize that perhaps I unvoted you and attempted to put attention on someone else because while I think you are scum this back and forth is getting incredibly annoying?

....You make me angry. You could have just said it in the first place instead of placing hints....but who am I to judge?

Hi, my name is DCLXVI, and I'm addicted to arguing with people on MS.

[DCLXVI]

@mod, (and everyone else) v/la from now till Monday.

@pasch

I was going after saki both before and after that post you liked so I don't really believe that response.

[DCLXVI]

and why the hell am I getting quicklynched?

[DCLXVI]

lynch DCLXVI

he isnt even talking to defend him self -.-

dude, i was v/la through monday, then on tuesday i played golf from 9 - 3 then went to a county fair so basically i had very limited ms time so this bs about me not defending myself is bs.

[DCLXVI]

So basically, I'm getting called scum for going after saki...

Well, I'll restate my case again...

I believe there was scum on the venrob wagon. I know I am town so I went to look at everyone else, I've already detailed why I suspected that saki was the player most likely to be scum due to how saki was interacting with venrob and due to how saki was extremely eager for venrobs lynch.

I'm really not sure what else there is to say that I have not said all ready, I get that some people disagree with my case, but seriously, you want to lynch one of the people (who besides the v/la) has been active and scumhunting

other than, baezu needs to die really badly. or at least be investigated, if me flipping town accomplishes that then I might be slightly less dissapointed about getting lynched.

It's a gut read but I'm extremely confident in it. He seriously needs to be looked at.

[DCLXVI]

True, but a player at L-1 should probably claim at least PR or VT.

are you even aware of the setup?

Actually, this is a scumslip.

Town would have a doc/cop role with a specific night and therefor would know about the town aspect of this setup.

vote:titus

this is a good place to start a counterwagon.

[DCLXVI]

In other words, I find it significantly more likely that scum is going to be ignorant/and or forget how the town power roles work in this setup than town.

[DCLXVI]

The scum on my wagon is in saki,zzzx (for incredibly bad reasoning for voting me), and titus at least one, most likely two, though I doubt all three are on me.

baezu is also scum.

[DCLXVI]

True, but a player at L-1 should probably claim at least PR or VT.

are you even aware of the setup?

Actually, this is a scumslip.

Town would have a doc/cop role with a specific night and therefor would know about the town aspect of this setup.

vote:titus

this is a good place to start a counterwagon.

No. That was meant as a trap. Anyone who says VT is automatically scum. You are right on that.

lolz, gets caught in a lie, claims it was a reaction test.

We have caught scum right here.

[DCLXVI]

I am willing to lynch any of the players I have called scum.

the problem with zzzx is that he calls me town for not defending myself when there really isn't any case on me other than people not liking my saki case, and I was v/la, it was basically a completely shitty reason to jump on a wagon.

as far as baezu goes, I believe I already have said that I can't give specifics. It's a gut read.

pedit,

pr = power role, anyone who is not a vt or mafia goon basically.

[DCLXVI]

Who's your counterwagon now, 666?

Which of my scumreads do you want to lynch?

Pedit, The whole case on me is people don't like me going after saki, if there is anything else please link it cause I didn't see it.

I'm perfectly fine with scum quickhammering me, that means they get to be lynched the next day.

[DCLXVI]

@mod, (and everyone else) v/la from now till Monday.

@pasch

I was going after saki both before and after that post you liked so I don't really believe that response.

[DCLXVI]

It really makes sense to me that I came back from v/la and am rather shocked at being at l-1.

[DCLXVI]

Flailing is such an annoying buzzword, please provide examples of my so called 'flailing'

[DCLXVI]

I'm still a little leary of titus, but I guess I could see how that could have been a reaction test.

so

unvote

I'm honestly not sure of who to vote right now. I have scumreads (Saki and Baezu, and to a lesser extent ZZZX and then Titus) but quite honestly there doesn't seem to be much momentum towards lynching them (or doing anything at this point which is getting really annoying)

It would be nice if people decided to be more active.

[DCLXVI]

Wow, what an insightful post...NOT

Here,

let me give you something to talk about

vote:zzz

[DCLXVI]

Self voting is imo cheating as town because you are really going against your wincondition, as scum it doesn't usually make sense to do it except maybe in certain circumstances at L-1.

[DCLXVI]

@DCX, I have an idea on how to test Saki but I cannot do it to myself and I have no idea how to communicate for you to do it.

Is there any value to saying this? Cause that kind of ruins any possibility of any such test if such a test exists.

[DCLXVI]

Wow, what an insightful post...NOT

Here,

let me give you something to talk about

vote:zzz

i would vote my self if it is allowed but i think thats rule breaking

because this game is kinda pointless as it is

Oh, should I make myself more clear.

I think you are lazy scum who opportunistically jumped on my wagon with an incredibly shitty reason who when called out on it jumped off to distance himself from the wagon.

I would be completely happy to see you lynched at the end of this day.

Want to respond to that?

Pedit...if saki is aware about a potential test he is going to be cautious to that pretty much stops any such thing from working..

.........
about town self voting: Even if you are for sure going to be lynched, it is better to force scum to vote you than to vote yourself and deny the town votecount information.

[DCLXVI]

So in all your games you lurk, don't respond to people and are uninformative as a lump of coal?

And people want to lynch me over this ^^^

oh goodness maybe we actually deserve to lose.

[DCLXVI]

Ok, zzzx, you voted me cause I wasn't responding to accusations, (which I wasn't doing cause I was on v/la)

Why do you suspect me now? And since you are around, any reasons why you suspect mnem?

@Titus, that doesn't matter, if saki is looking out for a test, odds are you won't get good results.

[DCLXVI]

@DCLXVI, This is the Gordian knot of tests. It's a Saki designed test.

Doesn't matter, the fact that saki is now aware is going to affect the outcome of any test on him, arguing otherwise is silly. This is seriously one of the most pointless discussions I've gotten into and I've been in a lot.

[DCLXVI]

I don't believe I'm aware of any town or scum reads I have on your slot, In fact, I have already forgotten who you replaced.

Saki is scum (for his push and interactions with venrob), you read through should make that obvious, but if you want something a little easier to find just read this and the previous page and you will see that zzzx is also scum. (I shouldn't have to explain that one though because it is painfully obvious)

Baezu is also scum. But that read is a little harder to explain so unfortunately I don' think he is going to hang until someone actually investigates him and gets a guilty.

Pedit, that probably is true, this game has been a lurkfest.

[DCLXVI]

also saying I am scum is incorrect, if you believe so your reasons are inferior

Care to explain why the reasons for calling you scum are inferior? Cause calling someone bad is a lot different than showing/explaining why something is bad.

[DCLXVI]

Oh, should I make myself more clear.

I think you are lazy scum who opportunistically jumped on my wagon with an incredibly shitty reason who when called out on it jumped off to distance himself from the wagon.

I would be completely happy to see you lynched at the end of this day.

Want to respond to that?

[DCLXVI]

There are a lot of lurkers, which means that lynching someone just for lurking isn't going to be an effective means of finding scum.

Pedit: no interest in lynching saki, and tons of interest on my part in seeing a scumread (and someone other than myself) lynched.

[DCLXVI]

no interest (from other players) in lynching saki.

[DCLXVI]

no one is saying lurking isn't bad.

The question I have for you is how to you determine which lurker to lynch?

[DCLXVI]

@mod, for a countdown you go to preview, and hover your mouse over the countdown button. It will give an example of how to format it.

[DCLXVI]

(expired on 2013-12-12 09:09:09)

Just quote me and go to preview and you will see how it is formatted.

[DCLXVI]

Honestly, I was torn between DCL and ZZX. However, I'll go with ZZX, but I don't want to put him at L-1 so there won't be quickhammer

Any reason for why you are choosing zzzx over me?

[DCLXVI]

and #503 proved he is lurking , since he had no posts for 2 pages(?) and he didnt post untill i talked about him.. he posted in like 10~ minites after which proves my point .

This is called a lie. I would appreciate it if you don't make those up about me.

[DCLXVI]

Where the fuck did I lurk?

I was active, went v/la, came back to being at L-1, and then was active again.

[DCLXVI]

Oh, and a heads up.

I will be on vacation Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. There is a possibility I might have internet access, but I'm not sure. So if I do not post that does not mean that I am lurking, it means I am simply away on vacation and unable to get to the internet. I'm making this nice big and bold because some people seem to have trouble differentiating a v/la from lurking.

[DCLXVI]

oops...

hehe...aren't pronouns lovely

[DCLXVI]

the hell? I didn't even mean to quote those quotes...

[DCLXVI]

And my two suspects come in two quick hammer... seriously, someone needs to check out baezu.

[DCLXVI]

DCL - you really need to stop tunneling me. I'm just trying to find scum like the rest of you. People make mistakes.

I'm tunneling on you until you flip or come up innocent to a cop. Get used to it.

[DCLXVI]

I was about to post, and then I was like, I should check who died. And then I saw my name...

So.

bah...