Open 511: Diffusion of Power: (Mod Abandoned)

[Paschendale]

Vote: Venrob

RVS votes aren't truly random, and proclaiming that your vote is completely random serves no purpose but relieving the voter of responsibility.

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Incase you didn't notice everyone i've voted so far is NOT AN ACTUAL PLAYER. It is random cuz it has nothing to do with the game at all, or is there a player in this game named Xander Harris? That was a reference to the flavor post. The spongebob/patrick hydra named Mr. Krabs was 100% random.

Then why did you do something so nonsensical? And then again by voting for the mod.

There is good towny chaos, and scummy chaos. His overreaction to a completely silly RVS vote on him by myself is scummy.

'oh my eyes' is all I said when I voted him. And he was all like No No NO I'm not scum thats my meta no I am NOT scum (yes I'm paraphrasing). He seemed overly concerned with being caught.

I'm inclined to ignore it and move on. Don't let something wacko steer the game.

*double vote Venrob*

like, wtf dayvig

Yeah, I assumed that was bullshit.

Unvote

Oh look, Venrob replacing out of another game right away. I meant to predict this. I should have gone with that feeling.

Welcome Wolf. Please disregard the first question of this post. I don't feel like deleting it.

I like NoctanNights for town. I think his suspicions of Venrob were genuine and it felt like real scumhunting. Keep that up. Saki I'm on the fence about.

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vote:saki

I'm going to go with a leap of faith and say venmar/radioactive is more likely to flip out as town rather then scum (the ragequiting not his reaction to my RVS vote)

vote:Saki I think there was one scum on the venmar wagon and he fits the bill with his insistence on getting him lynched quickly.

Second choice would be pwnz.

Your vote was serious, too. You said so explicitly. Just because Saki was more verbose about it than you doesn't make your vote less worthy of examination. How does that argument not apply equally to you?

how is feeding a troll pro-scum?

That's actually a decent point. If we had let Venrob derp around all day, he could have seriously derailed legitimate wagons. Getting him sorted out quickly by making him flame out and run away (I think he has done this in every single game we've played together) kept town from being bogged down. I think Saki did fine in this instance.

To clarify, I made my vote on venmar serious because he did what I saw as the first scummy action of the game.

Confirm vote venrob (this is now a serious vote)

However, it certainly did not deserve a quicklynch which is what Saki was trying to push.

more votes on this guy please

he needs to go

Weak as hell trying to paint this as a call for a quicklynch. He called for more votes, for a lynch. That's building a wagon. That's what town is supposed to do. I think this is completely bullshit and I do not like it one bit. How is what you're doing any different?

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Since you appear to like refuting me pasch, why did you not respond to post 94 when commenting on post 87?

... Beeeeecause there's no need to say the same thing twice? There was absolutely not harm to town from making Venrob flame out like that. No one was mislynched, no one really embraced any terrible logic.

Now answer why your attack on Saki isn't equally applicable to you?

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So far, my only reads are:

Saki town
Task null leaning scum
pwnz scum
Nights town
DC town
Pasch null leaning town

Everyone else, not enough info yet.

Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate on any of those reads.

Why scum for pwnz? I agree with the rest, except maybe that DC is only leaning town and hardly strongly town, but I really don't see a solid lean for pwnz either way.

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pwnz - comes in late. says he forgot about this game (translates to - "i don't really care" imo). Then posts this:

What everybody else gets to RVS and because I'm late to the party I have to make a serious vote on page 2? Deal with it.

Agressive, needless. Accuses Saki of tunnel vision for one statement that he made in post 51 then agrees with the wagon on venrob but quickly changes his mind. Then leaves for awhile before coming back with a question for task. This has been his game so far - not caring, not participating, not giving reads, nothing. I would think town would be more motivated to scum hunt and at least get some discussion going. It's worse than lurking - it's participating with no content.

Wait, this is your whole reason? And it's worthy of a strong scumread? Huh?

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Oh yeah,

Unvote

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TMT has basically done zero useful scumhunting so far. He's got 2 RVS votes, not even including decent joke reasons. The vote on pwnz is nitpicking over nothing. It looks a lot more like looking for reasons to justify voting than actual suspicion. And then a "why would scum/town do this?" fallacy.

TMT has contributed the least useful posts out of everyone, despite seemingly wanting to say more. N64Lord is a close second, though. Refusal to participate until RVS is over... why don't you contribute something to end RVS yourself?

Vote: TMT

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That's fairly...

awful.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki

my first game with hydras and I dont like the possibility that they might be scum.

why is it awful

Our other game has hydras and began before this one.

y u lie!?

Go go policy lynch all liars!!

Can we try to focus, please? Stop screwing around.

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Definitely not. I read him as pretty town so far.

You, on the other hand, a lot of yelling, derp votes, outright lies, and lots of fluff.

TMT is still scummier, but you're not doing much better, Saki.

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why do you always take what i say at face value

vote taskmaster and I'll forgive you

Maybe you should try telling the truth, then.

TVT best choice for scum, Saki running headlong into second place.

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Still liking TMT due to lack of further content.

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Yeah, not buying it. Saki earned the spotlight all on his own, and Venrob is notorious for flaking on games almost immediately.

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not surprised.

Well, then Dexter is going to kill your ass.

VOTE: pwnz

Care to explain why?

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@Voodoo: I have to go V/LA until Thursday. I have to go out of town and take a big important test.

Wish me luck everyone!

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You see,

venrob was not about to be lynched for being funny, he was overreacting.
Saki is not being voted for being funny, saki is being voted for attempting to get venrob lynched quickly, and for hypocrisy.

Being funny isn't scummy or towny, its simply a way a player plays.

I like every part of this post.

I feel like Saki is getting backed into wall more because he's clumsy, not because he's scum.

Still haven't seen any reason to take my vote off of TMT. I lean town towards Taskmaster.

I'm not sure how I feel about 666. Yes, Saki is hurling himself into a bad puddle of bad and rolling around in it and jumping up and down yelling "I'm bad!!", but I don't think it's that scummy. It's too dumb to be scummy. And it's not even all that scummy. 666's whole argument against Saki is based on interactions with Venrob. But apparently nothing since. I think 666's argument is disingenuous and he should know better.

Saki, do you do this in every game you play?

Vote: DCL

@Voodoo, a threat to replace me already? I'm hurt.

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That is a fine point and totally results from typing that post while reading several pages.

I still think TMT is scummy, but his complete lack of content (

no posts in 6 days, can we get a prod?

) makes it tough to just leave my vote sitting on him while other things are happening. TMT can go on the back burner for now.

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Oriole, I'm sorry if you have a problem with a catchup post. I didn't delete all the early parts when I got to the end. Why is it weird for someone who I think is scum to happen to make one really good post and then screw it all up over the next several pages?

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@mod, (and everyone else) v/la from now till Monday.

@pasch

I was going after saki both before and after that post you liked so I don't really believe that response.

And it started out vaguely legitimate, and then you drove it into the ground long after it was clearly no longer valid. You doubled down in pursuit of a very unfounded wagon. You did the very same thing you're accusing Saki of, and you should know better even if Saki doesn't.

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Here's a fun game. In your next post, everyone either explain why you're voting for the person you're voting for, or change that vote and say why. I'll start.

I voted for 666 because he overplayed his attack on Saki long past when it had any use as a real theory. He should have seen that it was not convincing and moved on. 666 is an experienced player and should know this. But he didn't. He continued pursuing what looked like an easy lynch of a newer player, rather than a well crafted theory for an actual scum.

My vote remains on 666. Who's next?

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In my experience, scumslips are 96% the reader seeing what they want to see and 4% actually someone accidentally admitting something.

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CMON PEOPLE

POST!!!

I notice that you are the only one voting for the person you're voting for, and you don't seem to be trying to convince anyone else to join you. Nor are you commenting on any current wagons (such as they are). Why don't we just lynch you, since you're clearly not trying to find scum?

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666's reaction to Titus might be kinda towny. Who's your counterwagon now, 666? Actually, tell me more about ZZZX. And what's wrong with Baezu?

Noct, what exactly do you want us to do be doing instead of lynching? If you have somethings you want to talk about, talk about them. If you have ideas, share them. Don't sit around, active lurk, and toss out stratagems for townpoints.

Titus is pretty damn towny. I trust the reaction test.

Baezu, if you really think that we should lynch Mnemonic, put some effort into it. One quote and vote hopping is insufficient.

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ZZZ's reaction to scrutiny definitely looked like panic. Definitely on the scummy side.

I would definitely like more complete reads from N64. I've been letting him slide a bit, but he really does need to contribute.

TMT has gone almost completely dark. If there was a good policy lynch, Muffin, that would be the best one.

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I don't agree with a Saki lynch.

ZZZ, obviously your contributions thus far are not measuring up. Fix that or face the rope.

TMT, so good of you to join us again. How about some strong reads?

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If ZZZ needs this much coaching in order to almost provide useful content, then I don't have high hopes for him either way.

Muffin, why are you trying so hard to help him dig his way out of this hole? No townread this early in the game can be that strong.

666 is scummy for a) pushing way harder on a bad wagon that was fueled by quick and emotional reactions than a player with his experience should, b) then lacking in well crafted followup wagons, again as a player with his experience should.

While some town do panic when faced with pressure, I find that scum do it a lot more. Noobtown panic, while more experienced players tend to keep their cool or get angry if they lose it.

N64's contributions have been okay, but too sporadic. I lean town on him.

I don't know about Taskmaster at this juncture.

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VOTE: ZZZX

Absolutely no way we're just going to let you refuse to participate in day 1. There's nothing pro-town about that at all. If you are town, you should stop playing this game. If you're scum, then your ploy didn't work. It's a win/win.

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This will probably be the most useful feedback you'll get ZZZ. Learn to write in coherent English.

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Why Saki?

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I'm not reading baezu's vote on zzxz as genuine, despite zzxz's sub-par play
VOTE: baezu

Yeah, definitely. No reasons given, and basically nothing to say about ZZZ before voting.

VOTE: Baezu

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@Baezu: You call that a reason? "I don't like any of this". Yeah, sure. No, you threw a super sheep vote to push a mislynch and you didn't give any real support for that vote. It was a pretty classic scum move. The OMGUS doesn't help much either.

On pwnz: He's basically not in the game. He hasn't contributed anything and should probably be replaced. So when people want to argue that he's scummy, I want to know why. I don't like when people toss out unsubstantiated reads.

@Taskmaster: What do you mean hypocritical? I voted for four people yesterday. And argued in favor of all four of them. Why are you lying about what I've done? And a "complete 180" on who? Baezu? I basically only criticized him yesterday. Why are you relying on complete fabrications to justify your vote on me? Literally everything you're saying about me is a lie.

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I see N64 as fairly towny. TMT has been scummy the whole game. I had Taskmaster pretty town until this last bit. The blatant lying is hard to ignore.

I had a town lean on Noctan to begin with, but it's been slipping as he flailed around and just complained about inactivity. He started out like he was going to be a solid contributor, and then stopped. Playing it safe by not giving solid opinions and standing behind them feels scum to me.

I'm not sure about Mnemonic. Why do you suspect him?

Titus is playing her fairly standard town game. So, it's not a strong lean, but it's definitely a town lean.

My top two scumreads are dead, and both flipped town. So I'm going to be a little cautious.

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Same. I really thought DCL was. ZZZ was pulled just ahead. Was about to

CLAIM INTENT

but then Saki hammered. And everybody was asking people to post and complained about inactivity, so why are you singling ME out?

Because you were doing significantly better earlier on and then declined. And it was noticeable.

Hey Pasche, I was stalking NS's games and saw you guys just finished 495

Want to know what's bugging me? You pulled the same "oh my scumreads just flipped town" ruse there.

You were scum there.

DP

Confirmation bias, much?

Let's hear something good from Saki, I agree.

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Noctan and Mnemonic both look like pretty solid choices right now. Noctan is trying to play off his suspicious behavior as just a joke, which is bullshit. Mnemonic should know better than to call for a quicklynch. Let me guess, that's a joke too, right? I'm good with either of them right now in addition to Baezu.

Notscience, you're just trying to make me fit with some kind of idea in your head. And you're relying on misreps and lies to do it. There was nothing opportunistic about my vote on ZZZ. I made arguments and discussed his wagon for a while, then decided I agreed with it and voted. That's kind of the opposite of opportunism.

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Is the Saki wagon really just over the quickhammer?

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@Paschendale, not really. Reread #547 until my comment about the random number generator. That fuels a bit of my suspicion as well.

Yeah, that's not much. Saki's playstyle is weird, but that's not terribly scummy. How is this different from standard Saki weirdness?

I checked a game he just finished with NS, he did the similar "oh he flipped town and I thought he was scum hm" bit, as well as attack people who called him scum.

So you have to rely on lies and misreps to make a case on me? You failed to glean the actual examples of my playstyle from both your examples. I stand by my reads that I thought were genuine, even if they were wrong. I don't cave and apologize, because they were valid based on available evidence. That's something I do as town and as scum. And I do not "attack people who call me scum." I attack people who make bad cases, regardless of who they're about. That's what good town does. Scum, meanwhile, lies and distorts the truth in order to lynch townies, which is what you're doing. Bad town does it too, only because they're stupid and not because they're lying. Which are you?

For example (and this is what I wanted you to clarify in my #676: would you have expected something different from him as town and legitimately found out he was wrong about both his scum reads?

Yeah, I'm pretty curious as to what I supposedly should be saying instead of that. Telling the truth apparently means I'm scum in this game because I lie in other games when I'm scum.

Since as he pointed out, the discussion early day one was pretty empty due to an activity falloff and even though he was the townie who steped up to the neccesary task of putting the last nail in DCL and Saki's fight, any town who was active would have eventually done, so, or a scum realizing this(making it a null tell). It didn't start town discusion through noctan making any real cases or bringing new thohughts to the table, though, so you and to an extent baezu are trying too ard not to defend him. I'm can't work out noctan's argument with muffinz and the "slips" he made in the middle of it, so if someone could clear it up a little,, that'd be nice.

My townread on Noctan mainly came from initial impressions at the start of the game, before even Venrob's flame out. I continued to stick with it, because there was no reason to change it, until he started whining about other people not participating. And then I jumped on him. But Noctan has mostly done weak things, rather than scum things, in my opinion. It's more of an impression than a read.

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@Paschendale, there's a difference between weird and inconsistent. Saki plays weird but the votes are consistent with the message. Here, I'm seeing more opportunism rather than consistency.

I'm looking at Saki's votes.

1. RVS vote on Taskmaster. No problem.
2. Vote on Venrob. It was justified, I think. He was acting scummy as hell.
3. Votes for policy lynch on Taskmaster. This one is bad. He wants to lynch all hydras, but then claims (falsely) that he's never played with Hydras before. He twists it to not include the game that the two of us were in at the time, but a bad call for a policy lynch and a lie... that doesn't look good.
4. Vote on Venrob's replacement, merely for being Venrob's replacement. It's pretty crappy.
5. Back to Taskmaster.
6. Vote on 666. That one I happen to agree with, though his reasons aren't so great. He parrots my reasons, only poorly, like he doesn't understand them, and then adds an OMGUS to it.
7. Vote on ZZZ. This one isn't bad. ZZZ was scumming it up. But he switched back the very next post. What's up with that?
8. Back to 666.
9. Votes you because... ???
10. Back to 666.
11. Votes for me because... ??? Weird that he still advocates for lynching 666 even with the vote on me.
12. Back to 666.
13. Back to ZZZ. That was the hammer.
14. Votes for Mnemonic. Basically an OMGUS.

I see lots of bad votes. I don't see opportunism. There was no point to Saki stating intent to hammer. There was no need to wait for a claim. I don't really have a problem with the votes on the main wagons. But the digressions are just weird. Saki doesn't seem to respect the power of his vote. He just tosses them willy nilly. If I were to take anything away from this, it would be the Saki legitimately doesn't know how to tell someone's alignment, and mostly just guesses. That he jumped on basically every major wagon, mainly just because other people were on it.

Unless you think that Saki is intentionally following the pack to hide being scum, or that the hammer was really scum motivated, I don't see reason to focus on Saki right now.

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Well, those weren't the arguments you were making, Titus. Why didn't you say those things if that's what you meant?

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Saki, that is probably the single most retarded vote I've ever seen anyone make. Why are people voting for me based on wrong assertions about my meta, and the weird assumption that different means scum?

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I obviously have to play in one consistent straight-set playstyle in every game I play

If you're arguing that you don't have to do that, why are you arguing that I do?

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Are you seriously trying to call a claimed cop scum?
Lynch this plz, kthnx.

This is diffusion of power. Everyone is a PR. And everyone is one shot, so it's not difficult at all for scum to fake a claim. It's really easy to get a confirmed townread when you're scum. Your claim carries exactly zero weight. Tell ya what, if I claim, am I automatically cleared, too?

FTR, our case made sense. Your actions yesterday made us want to investigate you and the only reason we used an investigation on oriole instead of you was because of oriole's opposition of the "breaking mechanic" here and his agreement to a breaking mechanic in a Hard Boiled set up we were also in.
We're calling you out for the whole "I thought he'd flip scum" thing because

It justifies your role in the mislynch[/] while being an unnecessary statement because if you were on the wagon , unless you stated otherwise then its assumed that whoever you're voting, that person is scum to you.

No, your case does not make sense. You're attacking me for genuinely believing in my cases day 1, despite them turning out to be wrong. You should be worried if I were tossing my vote around WITHOUT seriously thinking it's in the right place. You're calling me scum for doing town things. It's moronic and stupid.

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So, Taskmaster's assertion that he is cleared because of a claim is bullshit. He might be scum. I'm pretty clearly town. TMT is lurky. Baezu is scum. Saki is somewhat more nonsensical than usual, and might be scum.

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I have very little doubt that Notscience's entire read on me is just a grudge over our last game. That's why he keeps talking about a meta read on me based on us being in just one game together, as opposed to the other 20 or so games I've played in the last year.

Noctan, how about you try to actually have reasons for your votes? Crazy idea, right?

I agree with Oriole that TMT has been a bit bizarre. I definitely think he's a good candidate.

Also, Baezu is lurking like hell in order to diffuse the wagon on him. If he continues, he should be lynched post haste.

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I'm having trouble seeing what the intent is in some of TMT's posts, and I'm not happy with voting someone for being too vague for me to understant. I don't see why Pashendale refers to the "wagon"on Baezu, becaue I'm only seeing 3-4 people who have outed having seen him be suspicious. I want to know if he's trying to get pressure on him and build up his case afterward, and just using generic tells to start this going.

Isn't 3/6 enough for a wagon? I think it counts.

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Sure, I'll bite.

1. I answered N64 on the last page. 3 votes with 6 to lynch looks like it qualifies as a wagon to me. Maybe others have a different threshold. Either way, it's a semantic difference at most.

2. I opened that post in praise of 666 and then ended it by voting for him because it was a summation of about 100 posts. It was a catchup post. I had just come back from V/LA. I wrote it as I read through the new posts. Actually, it's interesting that Oriole says I voted "without commenting further" when the only actual paragraph of content is then a criticism of 666 for his continued attacks on Saki. I didn't notice it at first, but that's a really obvious misrep from Oriole, and from you if you did notice it.

This was my summation of 666's posts during that timeframe: "I think 666's argument is disingenuous and he should know better." That's commenting further.

So... why rely on a misrep in order to justify a scumread on me?

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Also, I'm a bit at a loss for what to do today. As I said before, my top two scumreads are now both dead. And the only people who are really looking scummy to me right now are the ones who are attacking me, because they are doing it extremely poorly with a lot of misreps and badly formed meta reads. But it is hardly compelling to simply argue that one's detractors are scum, nor can one really be entirely objective about it.

I like the current moves towards TMT. I had a scumread on TMT early in the game that got overshadowed by 666. But I have to ask. Oriole, why is shifting tactics indicative of scum? Shouldn't town alter their tactics as the game continues as well?

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I want to see where they lead. Why don't you do something to alleviate my suspicions of you, TMT?

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Notscience, just stop. It's over. I get that you're mad at me over our last game. I'm not really sure why, but you basically have "confirmation bias" tattooed on your forehead.

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The best lynch choices are TMT or Baezu. Task or Noctan would be the next tier of choices (not just because they're voting for me). Possibly Mnemonic after that. N64, MuffinMan, and Titus would be bad choices. Saki and Oriole would be bad, but not as bad.

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Because you've made an extremely poor case to try to paint me as scum.

@Mod: You have Titus listed twice in the vote count.

EDIT: Fixed, I think.

@Everyone else: Weigh in on TMT and Baezu. Those are the closest things we have to a consensus here. Pretty much everyone else is off the table today without a super compelling new case.

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Oooohhh... caught in a lie. Which is it, Baezu?

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I agree with Muffin. Or maybe I'm just trying to make him paranoid.

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When exactly have I not had reads?

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I dunno, Titus seems pretty on the level to me.

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Yeah, upon a reread and Titus' last post, I am not satisfied at all. She's played it extremely safe and hasn't really fought for any of the few opinions she's offered.

VOTE: Titus

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Forgive my squirrely ignorance, but can someone point out where this cop innocent result on Oriole was?

Titus still looks a bit scummy, but some of the votes on her look even worse.

Baezu is the way to go today. Can we quit shuffling around and just do that?

VOTE: Baezu

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Since it is presently not quite noon on August 30th, I think that's more than 13 hours from now. Or is that supposed to meant the midnight that begins August 31st?

I'd really really prefer Baezu, but I'll hammer to avoid a no lynch.

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@Mod: Is the deadline tonight or tomorrow night? That is, is it more or less than 24 hours from now?

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Barring confirmation that we have additional time beyond the next six hours, intent to hammer.

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Actually, who cares? It's not like a claim would really make a difference. Any day 1 cops should already have claimed and given results. And it's not like there's much reason to believe a single night ability claim enough to not lynch over it.

Anyone got a decent reason to delay hammering?

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Oh, screw that, then.

VOTE: Titus

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Works for me. Shame we didn't lynch Baezu yesterday like I wanted.

VOTE: Beazu

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Plus trading 1 for 1 is generally a pretty awful trade for scum. If Baezu is town, Noct will obviously be next.

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TMT, maybe Saki, and maybe Taskmaster, in descending order of confidence. I leaned scum on Noctan until his claim.

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Noctan is scum. His claim doesn't change that. The only reason he made it was so he wouldn't be lynched today.

He wasn't facing a lynch. Why would sucmNoct guarantee his lynch and weaken his team just to get rid of you?

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If Noctan was lying, I think my brain will explode. I mean, if he is, thanks for helping town out so much.

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So, why don't you hammer then, Mnemonic?

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Actually, I think there are only 9 players alive. Muffin and I are just listed twice there. The OP hasn't been updated since the beginning of day 2, though.

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Oh look, votes against me without a case. And from two of the three people that I've been calling scummy. If TMT votes me too, I should get some kind of award. And then everyone else who is actually town can vote for the three of them.

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So, let's talk about all the scumhunting that TMT has done this game.

...

Okay, now that we're done with that, let's lynch the lurky scum.

VOTE: TMT

Also he should probably be prodded.

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So, let's talk about all the scumhunting that TMT has done this game.

...

Okay, now that we're done with that, let's lynch the lurky scum.

VOTE: TMT

Also he should probably be prodded.

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That's weird... I wonder why it double posted me...

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Prod dodge. The game seems to have slowed considerably.

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TMT is at L-1. I would like to hear 1) TMT defending himself, 2) someone hammering, 3) someone declaring intent to hammer, 4) someone arguing why we shouldn't lynch TMT.

Seriously, anyone going to weigh in on this?

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Those are all good points. I would very much like to see a flip.

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Summiest to towniest

Saki > Noctan > Mnemonic > N64

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Eh... Noctan and Mnemonic are tied.

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So why don't one of you offer some ideas? Or do you just want to claim scum and save us the trouble?

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How about you discuss it?

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I find Mnemonic's reasoning wholly unsatisfactory.

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N64 and I have nothing to prove. The rest of you (Saki, MN, and Noct) need to prove to us that you're not scum. Otherwise I'll just pick one of you and we'll lynch that one. If you give a shit at all about helping town win, the three of you need to get off your asses. The scum can keep on lurking and we'll just lynch you. It is incredibly anti-town for any of the three of you to keep lurking. Play to your win con.

[Paschendale]

I actually don't want to lynch Mnemonic right now. He's at least playing. Saki and Noctan are lurking, which is the worst thing town could be doing right now. And Saki is proving to be here, but not contributing.

VOTE: Saki

[Paschendale]

That's not pressure. You're scum. You've been scum the whole game. You have consistently not contributed and been dead weight. Only you do it with a smile on your face. That you follow this nonsense up with a vote on me shows that you haven't been paying attention to the game very much either.

[Paschendale]

What exactly are you getting at, N64?

[Paschendale]

Seriously? I'm the most obviously town person left alive. You guys really want to lose this game, don't you? You're letting Noctan skate by, and letting unfounded votes go out on day five. Another apathetic town forfeits the game.

[Paschendale]

So no one is even trying anymore in this game?

Grats scum for beating an apathetic town.

[Paschendale]

You were already voting for me. And I've been sitting here at L-1 for days. Scum could hammer easily, but hasn't. Scum is already voting for me. Anyone who is town and givens even a tiny crap about this game, lynch Saki so we can win.

[Paschendale]

I'm the only one who's at L-1 and the only people who aren't me or voting for me have been gone for a week. Noctan hasn't even posted on day 5 at all.

Town has effectively forfeited this game.

[Paschendale]

So... I'm scum because I'm not tunelling on people? And because I'm yelling at lurkers to contribute? Suuuure.

I've been suspecting Saki since early on, but there were other, more powerful scumreads to pursue. The "disowning" you're seeing exists only in your mind. But basically it looks like you're just PoE'ing me from some unfounded townreads. Gratz. You're lazy town and you're going to lose this game. And you're taking credit for TMT's lynch. Jeez, what is wrong with you?

So you're townreading people who aren't trying very hard, aren't pushing every possible angle, and don't care enough to account for the possibility that they're wrong. And yet scumreading the person who's giving 100%.

You are going to lose. You are going to hand scum this game. You are going to make me lose when you let scum win. Enjoy snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Paschendale]

Are Noctan and Mnemonic going to get a prod or something? Maybe they're town and actually care about playing to their win con. Or maybe one of them is scum and will hammer me and show the survivors who to kill in order to win. Either way, I'd rather we actually finish this game than simply abandon it.

[Paschendale]

I didn't push a wagon on Noct or Mnem. I pushed one on Saki. Who I have been calling scum for days. Why are you relying so strongly on a misrep to wagon me?

[Paschendale]

You've reacted extremely badly to the pressure you're under, and it's moer a reason to see you as scum.

I'm not under any pressure. You're just convinced to shoot yourself in the foot. So convinced that you're completely ignoring most of the game. I pushed both scum lynches hard (yes, both town lynches, too). I would have to be extremely dedicated to bussing my teammates in order to be scum.

So yeah, I'm not under any pressure. Once you get over your obsession and delusion with me, whether I live or die, I think the last scum can be found out tomorrow. Mislynching me won't lose the game, and I think that the two remaining town will be able to win in LyLo. Especially if I'm right about Saki being the last scum. I honestly think this game is in the bag. Whether I live to see it or not doesn't really matter. If you have to lynch me in order to realize that I'm right and lynch scum tomorrow and win the game for town, so be it. But Noctan isn't here to hammer, and Mnemonic seems to realize that you're wrong. So I'm really not in any danger of being lynched here.

So yeah, not under pressure. A little exasperated at times, and honestly starting to forget previous days and caring less and less about this game (seriously, wtf is up with Noctan?), but not under pressure.

[Paschendale]

Mislynch, duh. Please don't screw this up.

I don't have a whole lot of faith in you guys. It would be pretty funny if Noct is the scum, though. And is staking by by completely ignoring the game.

[Paschendale]

What's that, N64? You decided that only today's content mattered? And then didn't listen to me? And are now pretending that I wasn't the most obviously town player? Whine more. If you were as "obvtown" as you claim, then this was your game to lose. And you're losing it. It's too late to whine at me.

[Paschendale]

I know why you voted me. Because you stopped paying attention to the game and made stupid choices.

[Paschendale]

You should tell her that there's a flip. The game isn't over. Tomorrow is LyLo. Don't fuck it up.