Mini 1481: ETL's Horrific Camping Trip (GAME OVER)

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VOTE: Toxic-Banana

For being a toxic version of one of my favorite fruits.

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Snakes eat bananas?

FruitSnakes do =)

GiF and scarred don't fit together in my mind.

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technically I'm a hydra with the more logical head cut off before the game even started
VOTE: Saki

Why the self-vote? I don't get it.

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Because selfvoting is a towntell.

I still don't get it, just more confused. Could you explain this in your own words not with a link please?

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my ironie-sensor was switched off, couldn't tell.

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What would you like to discuss?

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Why do i have that deja-vu feeling you said this before to me...

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Are there roles that win if they are lynched?

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Why do i have that deja-vu feeling you said this before to me...

I don't remember saying that to you before.

Yeah you are probably right, i didn't find it. Perhaps i just remember you saying it in some game and not to me.

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you stalked GIF?

no i stalk some games in the Road to Rome and he plays in many games there

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tbh im surprised no one else is voting GIF for making such a scummy statement and avoiding my question regarding to it.

obviously both town and scum want to manipulate other players to vote alongside them. but i think only town would blatantly say that they want to manipulate you.

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vote: GuyInFreezer

scatterbrained scum circlejerker detected

SHEEEEEP TIME

Bleatttttttt

Vote: GIF

You think Timeater is town?

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No, do you? His opening is rather null. I have a feeling his posts will ping my scumdar because of his somewhat sarcastic tone (eventually) lol

Saki, why don't you trust me?

He is null to me. Why did you sheep him?
Why should we trust you?

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Since you switched your vote Saki...what was the great idea behind voting yourself?

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vote: GuyInFreezer

scatterbrained scum circlejerker detected

Because GIF has opened with scummy posts that kinda teasing tone...the teasing is like covering up his true intentions and I'm showing him some tough love <3

Also, I was going to vote GIF for the same reasons timeater mentioned, hence my "sheeping"

What is your read on GIF?

i didn't realise those 4words are a reason. what you said there are reasons to me.
without his "you are so town" he would have been a townread. but i mistrust people that call me town so it is a still a null.

technically I'm a hydra with the more logical head cut off before the game even started
VOTE: Saki

if you look closely FS you'll find the joke

english isn't my first language. therefore i am bad at detecting some jokes. just explain please

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you aren't playing to your town game
yeah Snake is pretty scummy

like sakura said "why?"

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so much to read in the early morning. that said i prefer short posts and more pages over one page with monumental posts one after another.

altough i can relate to banana in the noob-department i would have checked the deadline before asking for a no lynch. the rest of him feel like posts of the sake of posting.

Bert why do you insist to sheep saki or that she sheeps you? Why don't you let it come naturally if your chemistry is so good after that other game?

TNE - i want to look at the HunterXHunter game before i make up my mind about him.

Sakura and Saki, idk after sakura stated in the beginning of the day they would tunnel each other to death it could be a kind of bus strategy. mostly i read them as nulltown.

RM - don't remember much about her other than the soft ICing and mom-playing. don't know if this is her usual approach to things.

i think fuzzy, gif and pepper are the most town right now.

count my vote for banana as serious.

(if work allows it i will read again and perhaps meta some people, can't tell yet)

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damn i stole the vc-post again, sorry ETL

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sorry saki, won't happen again

after rethinking, scum-banana would probably check the deadline more then town-banana.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: tne

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yes i had a quick look because i only remembered that we scum-read each other in that game.
until he explains why i am town for him after that game (where i replaced out early because i couldn't handle the pace of 23players) my vote stays on him.

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btw also the lack of investigating on his part is a reason for my vote

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Sakura why do you have a weak townread on Mac?

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this whole game until now boils down for me to "i know his/her town-/scum-play and that is/isn't it" in different forms. tonight i have more time at work and try to read this game again and read over those posted games linked/mentioned.

the list is a good idea for myself, i allowed myself to copy it GiF.

RachMarie - Null
DoctorPepper - Town
Bert - Null leaning Town
Mac - Null
Saki - Null leaning Town
fuzzybutternut - Town
toxic-banana - Newb Null
Sakura Hana - Null leaning Town
Aquaman - Null
thenewearth - Leaning scum but needs

observation

more posts
Timeater - Null. Leaning scum
GuyInFreezer - Town

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work and the wife got in my way of going online, tonight i have a pc at work and i will be online the next twelve hours (with breaks there and then)

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why do you think she might be scum?

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isn't sakura voting Saki again?

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i can´t they i like Timeater but he is probably town. great that leaves tne in my scumpile.
i hate D1

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say not they ...

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VOTE: Rach

based on newbie 1395?

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Timeater why do you even play if you don't want to discuss stuff? how should people that are not good at scumhunting learn anything? this isn't even a playstyle, this is just a "i am the best, fuck you all" attitude and it really sucks.

Toxic didn't you say you have rl mafia experience? you seem easily swayed by anyone. also saki pointing out to his own scum game isn't telling us anything. if he is scum he would surely play not the same as the game he points to.
saki what is up with that vote swapping? any reasons for each vote there?

VOTE: Rach
i thought you would be more useful to town

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right, the point of this game is to complain about the other players..
discussion helps to lynch scum, for me discussion is a big part of the game. but i am a noob and i have no high horse so what do i know

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Why do I have a feeling of deja vú with the no death?

i don't know, a paticular game (and finished)?

One of them is most likely a bus vote.
Discuss.

if there was a bus-vote i think Sakura and Bert are more likely to have made them than the other two

A whole lot of vote jumping and then a hammer vote on Rach.

Surely that's when the scum would vote if bussing? Wouldn't want to vote prematurely.

VOTE: Saki

it would be such a bad bus with the false L-1 in it, wouldn't it?

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Aquaman i am curious that you only out scumreads in your few posts. do you have any townreads at this point?

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you all talk about how saki hammers allignment-wise, so you don't believe he thought it was a L-1 vote?

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is this certain game finished? i would like to get better at meta and to mention the games you hint to (if finished) would help thanks

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yeah i too think Timeater is town and your push on him feels a little like omgus because he has you in is scumreads. @pepper

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Saki's the lynchbait that scum probably want to go after today for a mislynch. I think the jury's still out on Saki. I doubt scum Saki would hammer scum, so I am leaning town on Saki. I have yet to see that happen so I agree. The problem with unpredictable players... *sigh*

i doubt that scum-saki would hammer with a post like he made. it really isn't a post that would give him towncred for a hammer in my eyes. what do the rest off you think?
the rest of your posts puts you in my townpile bert, i like it.

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VOTE: Aquaman

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VOTE: toxic-banana
Because scum rach always townreads her partners

which game gave you a deja-vu? any other reads at this point?

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1404 i atucally read because there were so many of the players of this game in.
what i can't figure out why so many people would go to the easy lynch of toxic and don't try to pressure anyone else.
altough i too think toxic is most likely scum it only will be getting more obvious the longer he is alive. but if we lynch him in like 1-2 rl-days we don't get any info on the other players we suspect.

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how does the scum-kill choice speculation help us?

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thats the thing bert, if we tell who we think scum will target why should they target them. but this goes to much into wifom (i think) and we should drop that discussion. stupid of me to bring it up in hindsight

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@Aquaman - what is your general experience with mafia-games. did you play it before off- or online?

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@Pepper - you are right, i totally remembered that wrong. That and an iso of Timeater made me dislike his wagon less, but for now i am happy were my vote is.

@Bert - out of the four at that moment Fuzzy was a strong townread and i couldn't see Scum-Saki hammer in the way he did. That left you and Sakura for possible bussing. After that you went in my Townpile, Sakura i can't really figure out but gut points to leaning town.

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ebwop: where not were (actually, this is the last correction post if it is minor, just excuse my bad english and tell me after the game how much it sucks. thanks)

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I am getting frightend how our opinions overlap Bert.

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It is a nagging feeling in the back of my head telling me "watch out for Mac", but i can't really put the finger on it why exactly.

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sorry scratch that, after an iso of Mac i can't see him as scum with Timeater

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wow those pages since Timeater came back, my head is spinning.
I have to cook my wife dinner now and will come back later to this.

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VOTE: Timeater
now L-2, not that it matters much.

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I did think he was town(Timeater), only after DP corrected me about the omgus-stuff and who voted the other first that read diminished a little. i even bought the pr claim at first until DP cced. i couldn't see scum playing this arrogant. but i was dead wrong.
the aquaman vote came after i isoed him and he talked about tunneling and chainsaw-defence in his first real post. i couldn't agree with the sentiment of others that he is a newbie and wanted him pressured.

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Town: DP, GiF, Fuzzy, Toxic and you
Null: Mac, Sakura, Saki
Scum: TNE and Aquaman

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actually put Mac to town too, he was in front of the Rach-Wagon and Timeater probably cleared him with that fake-inno. i experienced only a fake doc-claim myself not so sure about that.

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i don't need to allude to your reads, it is where i am at now

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no in that game he was eager to answer to every question about the theme the game was built around or joking. that gave me a scumread.
here he is different but is early posts were about fluff or stated things already said in another way. i just don't feel town from him.

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I thought in Mini-Normal Jester doesn't exist, at least somebody said it on early D1.

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im inclined to believe sakura is town at this point
was cookies! not saki enough for you

i think saki tracked Sakura D1, but it doesn't clear her. it would make sense to not make the kill N1 and let Timeater do it. but wifom... maybe you should jail her next DP.

i read a scum game where GiF claimed uneven/even tracker as scum, his vig-claim reminds me of that one. if i have time later i will try to find it. is there such a thing as scum-vig?

Aquaman you should claim.

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no the game i remember it was only tracker

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5035957 this is the game and the claim

i am at work and don't have the time to reread that game now, perhaps later that day.

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Yeah the Wiki states that Vig is mostly a town-role and unless somebody claims the Saki-shot we can believe GiFs claim

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Pro-Tip: Wiki's lie.

then we should lynch the wiki asap

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any reasons for those reads or just gut?

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VOTE: TNE

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SK has to kill right? so we would had two saves n1 if there is an SK

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slow day in the camp

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but i thought he ates Tims

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Bert vote tne with me, he sheeps you after he has you as scum. and you having him as possible scum? that stance is so weird, i would understand a little if he sheeps a conftown. but as last scum to state "i sheep ..." is an easy way to not make reads himself and coast by. also this whole stuff with "Guys this..." and "Guys that" and "brother" feels forced to me.

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^
that is L1 btw

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^
i could live with this. feels this game went in sleep mode

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but let DP come back to say you he will jail please

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EBWOP: who not you :/

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but if he says who he jails and he dies we have a conftown more or at least the same amount. if no one dies we can look in the possibility of a NoKill.

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What changed about Bert? Any scumreads? Why no vote?

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I'm town neighbor with TNE. Like I said, if TNE is scum, I'll kn ow before lylo.

I am glad that i don't have that role. I probably wouldn't find out if my neighbor was scum =/

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what to you mean by "2sets of neighbors"?

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I liked his post when he thought he gets quicklynched, felt genuine to me.

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Bert i get your stance and my gut just says otherwise.

I don't like that tne didn't gave us scumreads, voted or even explained his early townread on me until now.

Pepper who is your prefered lynch today?

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What is?

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@Mod: Please prod Toxic

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You are the first person trusting my gut/read..

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should DP tell us who he jails or not?

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What do we do if he doesn't tell us, no one dies and he tells as tomorrow who he jailed?
The outcome is the same, but if he tells us we have a conftown if DP is killed. Or do I miss something here?

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I don't get it because the wifom will now always be there because scum can decide to nokill eiter way, if you tell us now or not.
But only if you tell us we have a clear when you get nked. If you die tonight we have nothing.

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I would say Sakura too, but in the end i am fine with anyone of our unclear.

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Hi Gyuett!

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UNVOTE:
let's see what the new guy has to say.

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wow always those pages when i sleep. just one thing before i drive to work.

Lynching one of Aquaman/TNE and JKing the other if the person lynched flips town today is OK with me, actually.

AH

This will come down to PoE for me but I'm really worried that something's wrong and one of the people getting universally read as town is actually scum. That's far in the back of my mind though.

The last part of the quote. Maybe DP has doubts about you who is universally read as town and would like to have a clear on you. Imo i feel clearing people is far better then preventing a kill, because a NoKill leads to much more wifom.

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We are very paranoid about quick wagons and one wagon after another dissipates? You two (Bert + Sakura) are mostly switching your votes around, the rest of us just wanted to clear something with DP or didn't feel the lynch (GiF don't likes tne lynch, I don't like Aquaman lynch).

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And Bert you are voting Aquaman, how will you hammer him?

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TNE claimed neighbor and Fuzzy said its true, what else should he claim now?
I am fine with Aqua by now. He divides Town. Fuzzy can figure out if TNE is scum.
Can a neighbor still talk in their QT if he is jailed?

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I still think Bert is town. Now we wait if Aqua and TNE come back or their replacments...

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Sorry for all this newbie questions. Is the Vig-shot resolved before the mafiakill?

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^would make sense. Thank you.

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As long as you shoot TNE i am fine with this plan.
Is there a point of waiting for a claim?

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<VT

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The claims of Gyett, Sakura and Bert are the ones missing right?

pedit: to slow..

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Which targets did your slot protect N1+2?

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I cant get my head around why DP would suddenly jail you.
Close to gut-hammering but lets wait on others to comment your claim.

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I probably will when i get home from work.

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no right now i think you are scum, TNE is the next on my list.

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thanks for modding ETL. and thanks to the rest for clearing up stuff i still don't know ect.

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/in for the heads-up =)

btw the "Rach towntells her partners as scum" was also accurate lol

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/pre-in DP =)