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lol your posting style is still so too muchIn post 11, Makiavel wrote:
Messing around for a few hours isn't bad, granted deadline is small but don't forget Mafias can talk for the first 48 hours of this game, in my opinion we shouldn't give them a clear idea of our gameplay and just confuse them so they can't read a roundplan, but that's just my thought.In post 10, Fifty Ways wrote:vote lucky
For encouraging further RVS in a game with such strict deadlines.
No, I think you are deliberately extending RVS to prevent any ground from being gained by the town quickly enough to successfully lynch anyone.In post 13, Lucky2u wrote:
So in other words policy lynch? You didn't say it was scummy, just that I am wasting time (which I disagree with). Town is allowed to be light hearted too so my conclusion is that your voting priority is just who you don't like the play style of.In post 10, Fifty Ways wrote:vote lucky
For encouraging further RVS in a game with such strict deadlines.
Just claimed scum. Let's get this wagon rolling, guys.In post 19, Lucky2u wrote:Bert speaks the truth. I am the scummiest thing in a game usually.Never trust a happy song.-
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Let the record please show that my vote is now primarily justified by at least the following two points, instead of the previous one:
— lucky's first post was antitown, demonstrated no interest in advancing the game to a stage where scum can be found, and frankly sounds fake in its boisterousness
– More significantly, lucky's first post on page two disingenuously implicated that I was scum
I say disingenuous because it's clear from the absence of a vote on me right now despite a) there apparently being "plenty of scum points" against me and b) lucky having very few other reads about other players and c) lucky's willingness to vote wantonly merely a single page ago THAT
1) lucky did not truly think I was scummy (scum omniscience) AND/OR
2) lucky is not interested in advancing wagons on 'scummy' people (scum win condition)
both of which imply quite inarguably that he is not town
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Explain how I am/was "forcing it" and how "forcing it" makes me scummy.In post 36, JKMatthews wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fifty Ways
Forcing it wayyyyy too much for my liking.
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There were two parts to that question.In post 43, Lucky2u wrote:
Maybe because scum force lynches they know are wrong to get a mislynch.In post 41, Fifty Ways wrote:
Explain how I am/was "forcing it" and how "forcing it" makes me scummy.In post 36, JKMatthews wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fifty Ways
Forcing it wayyyyy too much for my liking.
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Let the record please show that my vote is now primarily justified by at least the following two points, instead of the previous one:
— lucky's first post was antitown, demonstrated no interest in advancing the game to a stage where scum can be found, and frankly sounds fake in its boisterousness
– More significantly, lucky's first post on page two disingenuously implicated that I was scum
I say disingenuous because it's clear from the absence of a vote on me right now despite a) there apparently being "plenty of scum points" against me and b) lucky having very few other reads about other players and c) lucky's willingness to vote wantonly merely a single page ago THAT
1) lucky did not truly think I was scummy (scum omniscience) AND/OR
2) lucky is not interested in advancing wagons on 'scummy' people (scum win condition)
both of which imply quite inarguably that he is not town
lucky is scum and must die today[/quote]
Add to the above case that lucky is weaseling.Never trust a happy song.-
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you're just letting lucky get away with it
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no, maki is just badIn post 68, Bertkerberos wrote:
This is such a weak reaction to being (barely) pressured.In post 62, Makiavel wrote:
Can't you like let me chill a bit. Mafias have access to the mafia QT for 48 hours, I don't feel like discussing game stuff yo.In post 61, Fifty Ways wrote:we can lynch maki mañani
"Mafia, they gonna talk game about me, help me...leave me alone till the 48 hours elapses"
Stalling tactic is a no-go...more likely "HOLD ON, let me go talk to my buddies and see what strategy for defending myself is"
Vote: Makiavel
Trust me, I've mislynched him before.Never trust a happy song.-
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oh ok go aheadIn post 71, Kcdaspot wrote:
meta is gheyIn post 70, Fifty Ways wrote:
no, maki is just badIn post 68, Bertkerberos wrote:
This is such a weak reaction to being (barely) pressured.In post 62, Makiavel wrote:
Can't you like let me chill a bit. Mafias have access to the mafia QT for 48 hours, I don't feel like discussing game stuff yo.In post 61, Fifty Ways wrote:we can lynch maki mañani
"Mafia, they gonna talk game about me, help me...leave me alone till the 48 hours elapses"
Stalling tactic is a no-go...more likely "HOLD ON, let me go talk to my buddies and see what strategy for defending myself is"
Vote: Makiavel
Trust me, I've mislynched him before.
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He's voting for you because you are avoiding my case. He's said that twice now.In post 85, Lucky2u wrote:Xegarus... you know you should say why you think I am scum because right now you are saying why Maki is scum but voting me which is a bit odd. Unless Maki is your scum partner and you just don't want to vote him, then that line of logic works.Never trust a happy song.-
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No, you're ignoring me because you know that what you've done is indefensible.In post 87, Lucky2u wrote:I'm mostly ignoring fifty because I don't like getting into a defensive posture, wasting my time answering those questions and not reading others.Never trust a happy song.-
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jkm
if i wanted to coach maki and we we scumbuds, i would have done it in the first 48 hours of the Day
I don't think maki is town because I've mislynched him; i think maki is town because the same reasons he's being voted now are the same reasons he got mislynched in my last game.
I justified my vote when I made it, and began pointing out how lucky's further posting justified keeping it there. My case is the least bullshit case of all of them in this thread; it is not synthetic in the least.Never trust a happy song.-
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See my currently three-point detailed case. Sir.I lack a good reason. I think any suspicion there is stale perceived scumminess coupled with tunnel vision/confirmation bias...
Care to convince me...?
all of maki's posts are jittery; don't you see?P-Edit: Total WIFOM nonsense. I was talking about you coaching a specific bit of Maki's play, which happened more than 48 hours after the day started...
no, pretty sure it should read "I think he's not scum because..." since his play was town last game and is like his play this game. Nice try.At most that should read "I think it's a null tell because..." Calling Maki town for it is ridiculous.
It was designed to end RVS. I had to force it to stop bullshit circle-voting.I was talking about the RVS conversation and vote seeming synthetic.
This would be a somewhat valid deduction if I didn't have a 3-point case explaining why lucky is scummy, and if you could point out that the case is substanceless.And "lucky's further posting justified keeping it there" is pretty much in line with me thinking you're either tunnelling as scum or suffering from confirmation bias.
But even lucky can't do that.
The fact of the matter is that I'd vote for someone else if lucky had done nothing else scummy from pages 2-5.Never trust a happy song.-
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you need to learn to evaluate cases on their merits like good townies doThe one that was made early on and was reasonable at that point in the game, but since you've just said "oh look that fits into the case I've already made so I'll continue to only look at lucky"? Yes, that one. Hence "stale suspicion with tunnelling/confirmation bias".
Don't get me wrong, I hardly think lucky is confirmed town. I just think the extent your pushing the case is somewhere between shortsighted and scummy.Never trust a happy song.-
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no, I'm saying that maki plays this way as town, and is playing that way right now. Come on.So you're extending "Maki is playing like Maki" to "Maki was playing like Maki one time he was town. Maki is playing like Maki this time, so he must be town". Forgive me for not getting on board.
No, it's unreasonable to call my case synthetic.At the time you seemed to think it was unreasonable of me to think it was forced…
So you are admitting that my case has substance but are criticizing me for sticking to it.Things with substance can still suffer from confirmation bias.
We can only lynch one player a Day, and we only have a week to do it. I devote my time accordingly.If you’re town, then there are 3 other scum in the game. You’re saying you can’t see anything else that might be worth scrutiny?Never trust a happy song.-
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ever since I posted my case, lucky has been active lurking and avoiding confrontation just like scum always do
he's hoping that someone changes the subject; it is my job as town to make sure the subject is always lucky until lucky gives me reason to think it should not be lucky
Staying focused on whom one thinks is scum in a game with a 7-day deadline is not irrational or scummy; it's optimal play
I'm not the one in this thread doing it wrong.Never trust a happy song.-
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Condesension follows from a belief about your opinions, not a desire to cast your opinions in a certain way.Condescension to try to make it seem like my opinions are worth less than yours aside, let me spell out my evaluation for you, because you don't seem to be getting it:
No, all of my points stand independent of one another. The scumminess of lucky's active lurking is not contingent on the quality of my case, and the disingenuousness of lucky's page 2 post is independent of what happened on page 2.At the point in time you made your case against Lucky, the content of the case didn't overly bother me, as it was early days so there wasn't a wealth of information to go on. However, since then, more information about everyone has come to light, but all you've done is slotted Lucky's behaviour into the points you'd already made, and not gone any further than that.
No, this is an evaluation of my thinking process, not my case.That is my evaluation of your case on its merits, including saying it had some substance but blindly sticking to it is poor play.Never trust a happy song.-
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No, characterizing something as town-maki's play implicitly excludes its opposite. At this point, all I need to convince people is that maki isn't the lynch for today.Please tell me you understand the difference between necessary and sufficient points. It's not enough to say Maki plays this way as town therefor Maki is town. You need to also be convinced, and to convince others, that Maki doesn't play this way as scum. At the moment your case has a point that is necessary to be able to read Maki as town, but it's not sufficient to be able to call Maki town. As such, it should be null. Please keep up.
Two things: the question was about what you meant by forcing.If you knew you were forcing it, why wasn't this post just the question "Explain how forcing it makes me scummy?"
Secondly, I've only ever said that at the time your case seemed synthetic. I currently think the fact that you're sticking to your case so blindly is the dodgy part.
I am not sticking to my case blindly. I've explained the reasoning for my case, and the conditions under which I'll drop it.
You've failed to explain how sticking to a case is scummy.
I don't think you understand. I don't need to make any posts to hunt for scum; that occurs implicitly as I read posts. I AM ALWAYS HUNTING.I'm not saying you should be voting for multiple people, but you've made your case on Lucky and have your vote there. Fine, I think it's nonsense, but whatever. It doesn't mean you can't also hunt elsewhere. You can still use your time to hunt while also advocating a Lucky lynch...Never trust a happy song.-
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Not one bit.In post 123, JKMatthews wrote:I don't think your case is very strong based on the environment in which your making it, so I think it has little merit. Better?Never trust a happy song.-
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Not enough to stop talking about lucky.
Aren't you concerned the least bit about how lucky has basically stopped posting and since I posted my case on him, and has explicitly refused to answer it?
How would you feel if I ignored everything you said about my scumminess, suddenly stopped posting content, and no one cared??Never trust a happy song.-
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EXACTLY. THAT IS THE POINT OF LUCKY'S PLAN.
JK, lucky said I had won scumpoints (and additionally that no one else has), but didn't vote for me. Why do you think that is so?
Had he suddenly gotten cautious about placing votes now that it was page 2?
JK, lucky said he was ignoring me so he could focus on finding scum. What has he done that even looks like this? What has he done to help us all agree on a lynch?
These are two instances where it's easier to explain lucky's inconsistencies as lies.
How is it that you feel you can dismiss all of this as confirmation bias while agreeing that what I'm saying is substantive, and not grounded in delusion??Never trust a happy song.-
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So I have scum points. No one else has scum points. Lucky is voting for...JKMathews.In post 25, Lucky2u wrote:Right now I can basically only read you and Bert because you are the only two posting. Your insistence on me for a ridiculous reason is buying you plenty of scum points.
This post is a disingenuous lieee.Never trust a happy song.-
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I'm asking why you (and everyone else) aren't voting with me.I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR YOU TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF LUCKY. I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR YOU TO NOT BE LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL SECONDARY LYNCHES WHEN WE'RE THIS CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE AND WE ALL NEED TO AGREE ON A LYNCH.
You agree that lucky is scummy, but he's hardly on your radar. Canyoumeet my challenge in #131? If not, why aren't you voting with me?Never trust a happy song.-
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This is totally irrelevant to the point of my statement — to affirm the inanity of voting maki.In post 134, JKMatthews wrote:
I actually completely missed this post. The rest of the conversation about your case on lucky has evolved past this post, but as for the Maki stuff:In post 124, Fifty Ways wrote:
No, characterizing something as town-maki's play implicitly excludes its opposite. At this point, all I need to convince people is that maki isn't the lynch for today.Please tell me you understand the difference between necessary and sufficient points. It's not enough to say Maki plays this way as town therefor Maki is town. You need to also be convinced, and to convince others, that Maki doesn't play this way as scum. At the moment your case has a point that is necessary to be able to read Maki as town, but it's not sufficient to be able to call Maki town. As such, it should be null. Please keep up.
Your statement is only true if the case your making is "Maki plays like thisonlywhen he's town", but that's not what you've ever said. As far as I can tell, the case you're making is "Maki has played like this when he was town". There's a very important difference between these two.
In case you're still not getting it: "Player X makes posts in English when he's town" doesn't equate to "Player X is posting in English and so is probably town".
How about this — I'll declare no contest with everything in this post. Go ahead. You're right.
But no one here has any good reason to find maki suspicious, and especially not to lynch him.Never trust a happy song.-
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I'll just let whoever's set to be lynched get lynched and start my campaign all over again, at full force, the following day again and again until one of four conditions is satisfied 1) lucky stops being scummy, 2) someone is more scummy than lucky, 3) I die, 4) he dies.
Hopefully we can deal with this within the week.
Oh, that's easy. I was simplyUntil that post, you were arguing that Maki should be read as town. What changed?compelledby the power of your totally right argument.
oh? is your analysis of the most scummy posts of last six pages so sophisticated that it can't fit in a post?I may not be able to provide a concise case on why I'd rather lynch my suspectsNever trust a happy song.-
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I told you already that I've declared no contest.Funny that you're accusing Lucky of not answering your questions then you go and give sarcastic crap as an answer to a question I asked you. Either what you answered was true and you just said it sarcastically because you're full of sour grapes, or you straight-up refused to answer my question. Either way, please clarify.
It's completely ridiculous to say you have good reasons to vote for someone, but can't put those reasons into words right now. That's why I used that tone.Seriously, what's with the tone? Saying I can't concisely say it means that I'm struggling to put it into words well, not that I think that I'm "so sophisticated". That's such a bizarre reaction...
Um, yeah. I'm quite aware that I am being stubborn. That's my strategy for getting lucky dead.Also, surely you understand why I'm calling you stubborn? To get a lynch before deadline, we're going to have to come to an agreement on lynching somebody who may not be everyone's first choice. Why do you think you're exempt from this? It's incredibly anti-town to not be willing to try to get a lynch happening that you're at least happy with, even if it's not your number one preference...
It's not antitown because it is an exercise of leverage to get scum dead.
I see that still no one can explain why someone else is more worthy of my vote than lucky. You guys are just frustrating.
IF YOU WANT ME TO MOVE MY VOTE, GIVE ME A REASON TO
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4-way tie
how exciting
Here is what I think would be an ideal procedure for us to determine who we will eventually reach a plurality on:
1. One proponent from each wagon states why he is a part of this wagon, intending to persuade others to join him.
2. Someone somewhere actually leaves their wagon to join another.
This seems rather straightforward.Never trust a happy song.-
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Damn ItIn post 158, Psyche wrote:Right now, sammy's due to die, then maki, then lucky.Never trust a happy song.-
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