Mini 1484 - Pick Your Partners (Game Over)

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Natirasha

Time for some crazy fun times.

[Natirasha]

Hey, no voting for yourself, that's my thing.

[Natirasha]

Man, five pages in 24 hours. UNVOTE: .

First off, to all those saying that claiming lists is somehow "gaming the system", get over yourself. And, two, I don't think claiming lists will do much good. I mean, DBK ran through most of the reasons on page two, let me explain what will happen when we claim lists.

We claim. The VTs claim truthfully. Scum of both teams lie about their lists. At this juncture, since scum have the most setup info, it is likely in the masonry's best favor to also lie about their lists to help obscure their identity. We now have over half the game lying about their lists and helps the town deduce jack shit. The werewolves and especially the mafia have a more complete picture and can then give the town the run-around. It just doesn't work.

I don't think the opportunity cost is worth it.

[Natirasha]

Also, #87 is weird. Wasn't it stated somewhere that you had to send in a list?

[Natirasha]

Forcing scum into a lie is worth it in my book.
Every time they do, they run into risk of discovery.

Unless you have the aura of posting mod PMs, they will never be found out lol.

[Natirasha]

While Pjovek's assertions are pretty misguided, his posts seem to be town-motivated though. There can definitely be an argument made for list claiming(even if I disagree). The worst part of his posts is the OMGUS vote, though. I'm like 30% on Pjovek, I guess.

ANd yeah, Post 129 resolved my thoughts on the Varsoon thing.

[Natirasha]

I'm confused, how are we using the term "partners" here?

[Natirasha]

Well, we better be having an orgy then, because I think you were a popular top pick, Varsoon; and to imply that the people you have high on your list are the only ones who put you high on your list is a mistake.

[Natirasha]

That makes a lot of sense DBK.

[Natirasha]

Trust me, I didn't pick Varsoon because of his likability. I just like wildcards.

[Natirasha]

Shouout to Serial Killer pros! What's your record, GNR? I'm 4-0 on SK.

[Natirasha]

@Egg: I used to claim my alignment in every game. It got me banned.

PJ's joking about that.

Ewwwww

This is gross.

It did not seem like Pjovek was joking.

That pinged my gut hard. Maybe they're partners?

Have you two ever played together before?

PJ was not joking, but I have a feeling he somehow missed the two GD threads on trust tells, the Site Idea thread on trust tells, and the week ban that was issued. I don't think it is tell in any direction, though, just someone who's behind the times on recent events.

P-EDIT: #212 is dumb as shit.

One thing to consider is that there is a higher-than-average chance of finding scum on random this game, with 5 non-towns. I could easily see Haschel being scum, but a lot of what we have posted at the moment has been setup spec(null) and discussing Varsoon(dependent on Varsoon's alignment). The only people I really see as strongly-town at the moment are DBK and, too a much lighter degree, Garantula. I feel scum wouldn't use such shoddy reasoning to defend not claiming lists as "it's against the spirit of the game".

[Natirasha]

Go to mafia discussion. There is literally a thread called "Trust Tells".

[Natirasha]

GNR is town. #65 is the correct mentality and strategy as town.
Whereas I don't agree having the list will be equivalent to having cheat code, all his posts has only town mentality that makes sense and understandable in his position.

Echoing this.

VOTE: Pjovek

He was in the bottom half of my list, his responses have been bad, his votes have been OMGUSsy and lack forethought.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, what took so long for you to vote Pjovek?

Why have his votes been OMGUSy when only

one

of them was OMGUSy? GNR's vote on Pjovek looks more OMGUSy than Pjovek's vote on GNR anyway.

As I say every game, I don't vote easily. I prefer to be confident in my convictions before voting. In this case, I don't like 212+215. His three votes have been all terrible, one literally him stating that he's randomly choosing a wagon to join, one OMGUS, one is a defensive vote on the other prominent wagon.

I'm mildly confused on the GNR case. I don't find the "contradiction" to be compelling evidence simply because even townies say shit at times that are contradictory(at least I know I do). The "coasting" argument is alright, I guess, but if that's the case we should be trying to run up DrD and Egg as well.

[Natirasha]

That's fair.

I still find Pjovek's case more compelling, though. I have no previous (non-ongoing) experience with any of the players in this game, and perhaps that would change my tune with GNR, but at the moment I have him decidedly null. This could change when I see more posts by him, though.

[Natirasha]

Nat, doesn't Guy have a history of coasting as scum though?

I have no idea. Although the 2008 in my join date is deceiving, I took an...extended vacation...between March 2009 and June 2013.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: Which is a roundabout way of saying I have no previous history with anyone in this game.

[Natirasha]

Nat, yeah you were always that guy who everyone called VI and I never understood why. Maybe the RVS self voting thing. I dunno. But yeah I was surprised to see you were back.

Bo, k.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but have I played with you before? I can't seem to remember...

And I have my moments of idiocy still.

[Natirasha]

Who's contributions have been solidish.

[Natirasha]

I find town blocks to be of very good use, if you can keep the % of scum-contamination below like 10%. That said, I don't think Varsoon's "town block" here is valid at all. He was at the top of like half the player list's list, that should dilute it a lot, because scum can have him on their list too. I still don't understand the DBK votes--he's been the ringleader in this game so far, and my experience generally leads to ringleaders being town more than likely.

I'm liking Tochica's posts.

Haschel needs to post more. This applies to GNR and Mutley as well. As far as scum reads between these three are, I think it's Mutley-GNR-Haschel(ie I think Haschel is most townie). There are likely two scum in this bracket.

Varsoon is me circa 2009. nulltown.

TSO seems solid town. DBK as well, but apparently people suspect him, but I'm still not understanding the case.

Pjovek hasn't done anything to redeem himself. Noobscum.

Garantula and DrD are kinda null to me. I'd imagine one scum between the two.

Titus is acting weird. Like, he's asking questions and stuff, but I'm just not reading him as town for some reason...

That puts scum at, like, Pjovek, GNR, mutley, Titus {DrD/Gar}

[Natirasha]

Unvote, Haschel. Voting TSO for Pjovek's little WIFOM there is really dumb.

Anyways, I mentioned yesterday that there were likely two scum between {GNR, Mutley, Haschel}. I still believe that. Considering Mutley's complete and total lack of participation in anything important this game, I'm actually going to VOTE: mutley so maybe he can at least pretend to be useful.

Things I know for certain
-DrDolittle is not a werewolf.

[Natirasha]

WIFOM vest of invincibility, eh?

I think it's best to completely ignore the Pjovek WIFOM and just judge TSO based on his actions outside that one.

[Natirasha]

[quote="In post 364, Titus"][/quote]
+1

[Natirasha]

EBWOP: I fail at quote tags?

[Natirasha]

Okay, actually, rereading TSO, I find it likely he is the other wolf.

First, his list was randomized. I think it's safe to say everyone who's list wasn't randomized did not deign to put Pjovek towards the top of their lists. This would narrow down our candidate pool to those who haven't randomed(Mutley, TSO, did anyone else fail to submit?).
Second, read post 67. Third, the little Pjovek WIFOM thing could be babby's first WIFOM and he only went one layer deep(I know I said to ignore the WIFOM, but I'm working with the theory Pjovek is a big noob, in which case I think he would bluff us into thinking he was lying while telling the truth). Fourth, his entry today distinctly said he wanted to kill mafia, not scum, not werewolves. No, he wanted

mafia

.

But Haschel is also likely a mafiate. You all have done the groundwork on the case already, so I'll just /barn that stuff.

UNVOTE: . Let's discuss some more before I vote again.

[Natirasha]

Hunting werewolf is not a bad idea. Going after a potential werewolf when there is an obvious mafia on board is a bad idea.

VOTE: DrDolittle
Why should we try and hunt the werewolf today? What qualifies as an obvious mafia? Or did you have someone specific in mind?

Tell me why should we not hunt werewolf today?
An obvious mafia is someone who is obviously mafia, via numbers 70% certain
I do not have someone specific in mind.

You sounded pretty confident in the last post...

[Natirasha]

But Haschel is also likely a mafiate. You all have done the groundwork on the case already, so I'll just /barn that stuff.

Going after a potential werewolf when there is an obvious mafia on board is a bad idea.

Everybody seems to think that I'm a mafiate because I think we should lynch the werewolf today. This attitude makes no sense at all. If I were mafia, then the werewolf would be the LAST person I'd want to lynch today. Werewolves are the only faction that can kill, which means the only hope the mafia have of not having two confirmed townies until endgame is to keep the werewolf alive to kill off the masonry.

Also, this is unhelpful if you're town. We should not be giving scum strategic advice.

[Natirasha]

^ 399 is fricking important because it gives a shoutout to town that it makes NO SENSE to attack HC and I for proposing to hunt to werewolf.

This just looks like panicked backtracking.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: DrD

Let's roll, Titus.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: varsoon
Mafia 1

This isn't helping your case.

[Natirasha]

Who do you think is the wolf, TSO?

[Natirasha]

We'll deal with that tomorrow. I've still barely looked at the Pjovek wagon.

Okay.

If DrD is scum, then Haschel is more than likely one of his partners FYI. After that, well have to look again.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Haschel. I mentioned yesterday that if DrD was scum, Haschel was likely to follow.

The only reason we shouldn't kill him today is if we wanna go wolf-hunting, so we can have masons confirm. Up to you guys.

[Natirasha]

What's the case on GNR again besides

My reads ATM are

Town
Egg
Garantula
Me
Tochika
Titus

Mafia
Haschel

Wolf
TSO

Null
mutley
GNR

Also, yeah, we win straight-out if we kill wolf, Egg.

[Natirasha]

Day 3 is a bit late for a policy lynch, don't you think?

Well, I think that we are in a good position. If we lynch a wolf, then we can easily spend a PL on mutley.

But I'd rather lynch a wolf.

[Natirasha]

Oh yeah, that was a phone post so I don't ever want to hear anyone use that excuse again

You have sick-ass phone skills.

[Natirasha]

Still fairly confident Haschel is mafia. But. yes, we should wolf hunt today.

So I'll go along with your line of reasoning, Egg.

VOTE: Egg.

TSO, this is my case on you being the wolf. It's not as fleshed out as Egg's case on mutley, which is why I'm going for him at the moment.

Okay, actually, rereading TSO, I find it likely he is the other wolf.

First, his list was randomized. I think it's safe to say everyone who's list wasn't randomized did not deign to put Pjovek towards the top of their lists. This would narrow down our candidate pool to those who haven't randomed(Mutley, TSO, did anyone else fail to submit?).
Second, read post 67. Third, the little Pjovek WIFOM thing could be babby's first WIFOM and he only went one layer deep(I know I said to ignore the WIFOM, but I'm working with the theory Pjovek is a big noob, in which case I think he would bluff us into thinking he was lying while telling the truth). Fourth, his entry today distinctly said he wanted to kill mafia, not scum, not werewolves. No, he wanted mafia.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP

woops, derpvoted.

VOTE: Mutley

[Natirasha]

I like egg for the WW due to the confidence in my flipping WW and then its like auto town win, thats the kind of line I see from scum

don't need to vote right now

Expand on this, please. I have Egg down as "probably dead tomorrow" due to towniness and the werewolf's previous nightkill tactics.

[Natirasha]

Gets voted for no content

Called scum still for posting content

Damned if I do damned if I dont

Your content sucks.

[Natirasha]

Your Egg accusation sounds kinda OMGUSy to me, honestly.

[Natirasha]

Well, we agree TSO is some sort of scum at least.

[Natirasha]

If you die and flip town, I will keep that in mind.

[Natirasha]

Nah, at least GNR posted TSO. Mutley didn't post anything at all.

[Natirasha]

I'm not saying he has.

[Natirasha]

Nat agrees with Egg and votes ditching mafia suspect of his for a null read which he agrees may be ww - I don't see anything there.

Just saying I will gladly move back to Haschel if we wanted, but we were definitely shifting towards wanting to hunt wolves and I've distinctly said I suspect that DrD is Haschel's partner, which would make Haschel a mafiate by default. If our goal is to kill a wolf, voting for someone I think is a mafiate is counter-intuitive.

[Natirasha]

It wasn't a strong read, Tochica, but his contributions on day one were just pretty solid. I found some agreeable, his assertions were reasonably well-established. My wolf read on him started day two.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, I addressed the Wolf case already. It does seem strange to me that you went from "Let's judge TSO based on his actions, not WIFOM" to making a case on me which heavily leans on WIFOM.

I had a change of heart, primarily based on the fact Pjovek is noobscum. Noobscum are the type of players to rely on WIFOM statements like that.

[Natirasha]

Do you really think Pjovek would try to pull that? Do you actually? Noobscum would shit their pants before they tried that. There is no way Pjovek would have the guts to pull off that as a newbie.

I disagree completely, I did it my first game of mafia ever. WIFOM like that(saying that X is your scummate) is like a hammer--it gets the job done, but it's blunt. More skilled players don't utilize wifom like that because the town will just ignore it. Pjovek came off as a reckless player, too. Reckless players are the type that like doing stunts like that.

In any case, it's completely possible that it was discussed in the wolf QT. And you know who I think is ballsy enough to couch him to do that? Based off playstyle, four players in this game--You, mutley, Varsoon and I.

I will grant you that it is possible I am wrong--remember I'm voting mutley right now, because Egg's case is better than mine.

PEDIT: Those interactions look fine as town-town, town-scum, and scum-scum.

[Natirasha]

Also 547 reeks of scum getting annoyed at a wagon from a useless player building up on them.

I take offense to being called useless!

[Natirasha]

Hmm...I need to go reread Haschel & DrD's interactions.

[Natirasha]

Mafia probably suspect Mutley's the Werewolf and they know they have to make sure he stays alive or they lose.

Tochica is creeping up my scumdar.

I think it's more that GNR has siteflaked or whatever and we don't have a replacement.

[Natirasha]

awful case of no replacements biting is awful.

[Natirasha]

You're the savior we deserve, Voidedmafia.

[Natirasha]

More like he's actually going to play and reinvigorate this thread.

[Natirasha]

GNR had a chance of being scum, I had him down mostly as a weak townie though.

[Natirasha]

If mutley is not the werewolf, TSO is.
Guy_Named_Riggs is...I don't know. This game has moved so slow I've kinda lost track of my thoughts. I might do a full reread now that we have a full team again.

[Natirasha]

Damn. Ill do my best to make you proud, Egg.

We need to seriously find the wolf today. We'll be able to still have one confirmed town and a mislynch.

I've been putting this game off, time to stop doing that.

[Natirasha]

Are you really a VT, TSO?

You're at L-2 BTW, not L-1.

[Natirasha]

I caught it after Egg's last post yesterday, no worries.

[Natirasha]

I got prodded. A first for me. How embarassing.

To answer TSO, my reads are kinda wild at the moment--kinda thinking of Haschel+1 for mafia and Voided for werewolf, I guess, but that's my zero-thought. Tochika & Galvantula are the wild cards here and I gueeess I can see them as wolves or something, but not really. I've been on this Haschel train since like day two and I'm not dead yet, which implies to me that he isn't a wolf(I know NKA is silly, work with me). The question from there is "who is Haschel's partner?" I could see an argument for pretty much anyone at this point. I dunno.

[Natirasha]

I don't like the logic outlined for #735.

[Natirasha]

Let me rephrase my statement.

Yes, a scum lynch is obviously better than town.

I just think we're going to lose hard if we don't focus the wolf today--we lose our innocent child for one--and it seems very suspicious to push obv-mafia Haschel as a compromise when we can look for people who can kill our IC.

[Natirasha]

Not Haschel.

Garantula has nothing going any way, although I am reminded of Pjovek's first vote in the thread...Titus I've been shaky on, but I actually like her responses to my last questions in a weird way. I still don't think HC is a good lynch today considering that the chances of him being Werewolf to me are sub-10%. I know I said voided is the wolf earlier, but upon rereading I don't think that makes much sense, he's much likelier to be mafia.

So, um, it's Titus or Gargantula. If we want to go into Nightkill Analysis, let's set aside Egg & DBK for a moment since I think those kills were more for the skill of the players vs any specific reasons. Varsoon is the one I wanna look at. If Titus is the wolf

she had no legitimate reason to kill Varsoon

--she was his top town read. Galgantula, however, was not on Varsoon's "like" list. I know, I know, >WIFOM, but Nightkill Analysis is very underestimated nowadays and the current prevailing meta is you kill people who threaten you.

If we consider the lists, I can only assume Titus had Varsoon and DBK on the top of her list from the interactions day one & two. Garvantula I cannot find any list claiming, but he is a newer player--it makes more sense for his list to be randomized(and therefore, more likely for Pjovek to be his top pick/wolf partner).

VOTE: Gargantula

[Natirasha]

A quick look at his ISO says pretty much only GNR/Voided.

[Natirasha]

Isn't it possible Varsoon was a skill kill as well? Or that WW-Titus didn't think that the townread on her was solid enough to risk?

I dunno, Varsoon was really confident in his Titus read. And Varsoon could be seen as a skill kill, but I don't see why the wolf would value Varsoon's skill over Egg(or me to a lesser degree).

[Natirasha]

Why is GNR/Voided not WW?

Ask TSO this one. I mentioned he could be one last page.

[Natirasha]

Been skimming the thread; I will make a better post tomorrow.
Natirasha the NK logic would be better if you had reason to think I would actually kill Varsoon for that reason. My first scum game finished recently so you can look at it for meta. Also, my list wasn't randomized.

I agree I still don't see the reason why you would kill Varsoon. But, in the context of the question "Do you think Garantula or Titus is the wolf" you make more sense to kill him.

[Natirasha]

I do not think ww-titus killed varsoon because she felt threatened by him, I think if she killed him it was done as a wifom kill. She even told him not to buddy her, and it always makes sense to do it early and cash in later. At the same time Egg's kill I can see as possible wifom kill to frame titus. As you say these are just possibilities.

See, I would wholeheartedly agree with you on the first point if Titus was, well, not Titus. She's a very analytical player and doesn't tend to go for the WIFOM play, I know Titus would not kill Varsoon in that circumstance--she is not the type to do that. In addition, site meta dictates that WIFOM NKs are ridiculously out of fashion.

On Egg, I'm not sure what you're saying. His last post pretty much outed him as a mason, who as long as they live the werewolf literally cannot win. In addtiion, he was clearly the town leader--and a strong one at that--meaning he made sense to die. But, I digress, I think we're reaching the tipping point of what NKA can provide.

@Nat you said Voided looked less likelier ww upon reread, then when asked you are saying 'ask TSO I said voided was possibility', you also said garg and I are weaker possibilities. It is very bothersome you are willing to agree so quickly with TSO blindly as he actually hasn't offered any arguments why voided or I are not ww.

I've been going back and forth. Wishy-washy, I know. Sorry. This game is hard, because I'm trying to discern who the mafia is and who the wolf is, so there are naturally a lot of red herrings laying around. Also, I didn't really analyze anything until I wrote up #761--sorry.

[Natirasha]

I thought you didn't have experience with anyone in this game.

Please note the qualifier. At the time the game started, I had no non-ongoing xp with players. Since then, games have finished and that does not apply as much any more. (PEDIT: What Titus said pretty much)

My conversion to the pjovek wagon was slow, sure, but he really did come off as just nooby at first. I'm always reminded of my first game, where I think I did everything I could to come off as scummy as possible. I didn't mention my previous town opinion because, well, it didn't matter really.

[Natirasha]

This is rather contradictory. If Mafia don't want a WW lynch, then how is this being scum-guided?

Consider for a moment I was expressed or implied as a strong townread by a majority of players in this game until the last page. Perhaps the scum are not confident in their judgment of who the wolf is, but you know who it likely isn't? Me. Implicate me as the wolf off of almost purely tonal evidence and work from there.

[Natirasha]

So you're saying that the Mafia may not know who the wolf is, but can reasonably be sure that you aren't, and would then try to push you as being the last WW?

Yes. I want to qualify this statement as being a direct response to your response to this quote.

I'm pretty sure Mafia don't want the WW lynch.

This feels scum-guided.

[Natirasha]

I had Varsoon on top, followed by Guy Named Riggs, then TSO. Fourth was you Titus. I had Pjovek and Garantula on bottom.

Im willing to settle on voided today, I guess. I think its behind him and Galvantula for the wolf, IMO.

[Natirasha]

Very informative, Haschel. Now where is everyone else?

[Natirasha]

Fucking serious.

[Natirasha]

Something something I don't think we're getting anything done. Ugh. TSO who do you want to lynch? Don't defer, give me a straight answer. The fact that we have three scum here undermining us is really annoying, and you're the opinion i trust the most.

If we're going for a mafiate, we should just cut the crap and LYNCH HASCHEL. He's seriously done about zero this game and is sitting there being a devil in plain sight.
If we want the wolf(my prefer, because I like conftown in LyLo), let's fucking make up our minds and choose a wagon(NOTE: I seriously don't think I can support Titus-wolf lynch though).

I know I'm putting pressure when we actually don't have a deadline or anything coming up, but I seriously don't think we're getting anywhere because Voided/Titus/Gar-slot/Me are all criss-crossed and there is at least one townie in this mix(most likely 2, maybe even 3).

[Natirasha]

And before anyone says anything about my "lol you said LyLo implying we're mislynching the wolf", you gotta plan for if things go wrong and 4-2 is pretty much JV LyLo anyways, although I guess if we do the smart thing of lynching obvscum then we're in practically no danger.

[Natirasha]

TSO would you support a Haschel lynch today? I know it might lead to your death, but he's also a 'gimme' at this point.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha and Haschel are so blindingly the mafia just from that one post.

Which post? And you're suggesting I've been bussing him since before day 2 ended? Fair enough. Who do you think is the wolf, then?

[Natirasha]

Ahh you are going to not read I see.

Post 830 my friend. Calling your buddy useless and going overboard it is literally a thought out post on how to bus and distance as much as possible as he looks like the lynch.

Wolf as you can read I think is between tochica and Titus. I much prefer tochica due to his white knighting

? You never mentioned what post made it 'blindingly obvious', and I wanted to make sure we were on the same page in saying that you think Tochika is the wolf. Do you want to lynch wolf or mafia today? Do you think it matters?

EBWOP: I've been calling Haschel mafia since at the very latest, DrDolittle's flip. Day three we were more focused on killing wolves, I would have gladly focused on Haschel if I thought he was a wolf.

[Natirasha]

I did miss that post.

[Natirasha]

The wolf is either voided or Bartlet, TSO. My opinion on the matter hasn't xhanged--notice how he's done very little towards find the wolf, mostly wanting to hunt down the 'mafia'?

[Natirasha]

I agree, but my die has been cast and I think on the whole, voided is the less scummy of the pair(even including GNR's interactions).

[Natirasha]

Then its Bartlet. I forgot it could be Tochika, but Ive felt him to be strong town all game.

[Natirasha]

So, assuming we get the wolf here and Haschel is mafia, who you think is the final mafiate? Id like to say its between Titus and voided again. Tochika is possible too, though. One of the first two is more likely, though.

[Natirasha]

(If the world is just its Voided because Titus is a friend)

[Natirasha]

Not putting him at L-1 before everyone reports in.

So, um, Tochika and Voided, why are you guys not the wolf? Cuz I'm still having trouble believing Titus.

[Natirasha]

I am still not sure why you are certain hc is mafia not the ww. I myself am having trouble seeing voided as the ww but discussing this now will help him to decide who to kill I suppose (assuming mafia lynch). I don't have high hopes on this ending up well anyway.

It's mostly the whole DrDolittle-thing from D2. I can go drudge up some cases if you want. If we lynch the wolf today, we lose(go reread the WinCons in the first post), so do you suggest not killing him?

[Natirasha]

Nat: You mean you have trouble believing Titus is the last Wolf?

Yeah. Just, the nightkills make little sense from Titus-wolf's perspective...Varsoon wouldn't kill her, DBK was in the "town block" Varsoon made, and he had expressed sentiment that Titus wasn't the wolf day one. I don't think a wolf-Titus would kill would-be allies that early. I also don't think she'd do it for WIFOM purposes.

[Natirasha]

lalala intent to hammer lalalala any last words get them in lalalala

[Natirasha]

Yes!

This game was difficult for me. I decided to join it because it's such an opposite game than I usually do--I mostly stay in super-mechanically-complex games, and this was a simple game. Coming in, also, I was having massive worries about my daygame and I hoped that I could work on it.

Anyways, I do think this game's setup is imbalanced against the mafia--an early wipe of the werewolves means that the game is practically unwinnable, because 2 living masons means LyLo is actually impossible. This means that, while the werewolves only have one job(survive), the mafia have to both scumhunt werewolves while keeping them alive to kill masons. It's okay, though, and the 1-1-1 endgame does actually balance somewhat.

This game ended up being fun--although I hated having to bus my partners from day two, it sort of worked out. By Bartlet's entrance, I was positive the wolf was between {Voided, Tochika}, but I actually couldn't let Bartlet live, so i was going to hope for some good nightkills and force a kingmaker situation(hoping Titus/TSO made it to the final day because I knew that they would both give me the win if it came down to it).

This was a very fun game, guys! Thank you, IceGuy for modding it and thanks to everyone else for being a very pleasant userbase--there was no real rage or distasteful moments.

[Natirasha]

Hot damn, I was actually pretty fire this game.
We really should have all posted our lists on D1.

Would've given town a quick win, methinks.

I actually had a fakelist ready, so not really.

[Natirasha]

It would've been obvious who faked their lists, though. Or, at the least, we could pair suspicious with list skepticisms.

Would it? For what it's worth, my legit list was--notice both you and Titus near the top.
Varsoon
Haschel Cedricson
Guy_Named_Riggs
Titus
DrDolittle
Mutleyddmc
T S O
TheGarantula
Pjovek
nickthename
Egg
Does Bo Know

My fabricated list was going to be
Varsoon
Haschel Cedricson
TSO
Titus
Does Bo Know
Guy_Named_Riggs
Egg
DrDolittle
Mutleyddmc
TheGarantula
Pjovek
nickthename

Would you have been able to see through it?