Mafia 62: Suspicion in Sicily - Game over!

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/confirm

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Oh my I forgot about this game. Thanks for the prod. I'll be reading.

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I am going to pressure vote:

Cubsfan4ever

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OK I am flaky and delicious and gooey fillings but I am not the brightest.

vote: Cubsfan4ever

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Yep. That's exactly what I am doing. Same as Cubsfan. But hey. Day 1, gotta put pressure on someone, doesn't really matter who. I doubt we'll end up lynching Cubsfan today anyway, that's just a Day 1 wagon. Just tossing my little lump of coal into the engine.

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vote kinkster

Rand is also worthy of attention. He reminds me of myself in Vis's game.

Were you scum, haha.

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Where's the "lie" in LAL in this game???

Anyway, I found this post by Phoebus rather strange...
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 198#534198

He sounds like a madman.

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I don't buy the Lynch Lurkers thing. Doctors often lurk to escape town and scum detection. Lurkers are easy targets for scum. No. I don't like Lynch All Lurkers. Much against it. Pressure lurkers, sure. But lynch... no.

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Let's lynch Cubsfan, K? It's not big deal he's only got 4 votes. There's room to pile more.

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scott & hollywood, it's called getting a bandwagon going, duh.

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There's no "logical defense" - it's Day 1. Gotta start a wagon somewhere. Who knew adding a third or fourth vote was so scummy?

If that's your definition of scummy, then vote for Panzerjager, ~N9V~ or even yourself, Rand Althor, who adds *gasp* a SIXTH VOTE!!! And for a real stupid reason.

vote: Rand Althor

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But this is my point. If I make something happen, it seems to raise red flags anyway. I might do just as well post "I'm a scum".

What are you complaining about? You have ONE vote, I got SIX! Also in the name of trying to "make something happen."

When you're vanilla, you're supposed to stick your neck out and make things happen, even if you get lynched for it. If you're vanilla, better you getting lynched than accidentally outing a power role.

Raffles just posted that he is a scum. He's using some twisted strategy to give himself permission to make nothing happen.

unvote, vote: Raffles

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I agree with hollywoody's reasoning, though the conclusion doesn't necessarily follows, it's an avenue worth investigating.

I do think that hollywoody is town.

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Vote TS

I did not like him pushing for a lynch in the beginning of the game, and I do not like him attacking raffles. I admit, raffles was acting a bit scummy, but TS posts right after him attacking him simply because TS has more votes than raffles. Raffles was directing very little, if any, at TS, but TS seems to be offended some way. I dislike that whole situation.

Is it me, or is the timing of this vote, and its reasoning, rather strange?

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Responding to prod.

Well. Let's at least make this interesting and see how the scum reacts to this:

vote: kinkster

I have 6 votes, kinkster now has 5.

That way if I end up getting lynched, you'll have more information for tomorrow and I'll have done my duty helping the town.

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Is anyone paying attention to scotmany? In particular, his voting pattern and his reasoning? He is extremely opportunistic.

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Is anyone paying attention to scotmany? In particular, his voting pattern and his reasoning? He is extremely opportunistic.

I do note this too, but since he is lurkish, there's not much to construct a case against him.

Actually, isn't his lurking another strike against him?

An opportunistic, lurkish player... isn't that usually scum?

Do we have a vig? If we do, may I humbly suggest firing at few rounds in the direction of scotmany?

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Jalyn? Who'd have guessed! Good job whoever did it.

OK. Day 2. Let's squeeze scotmany12. A mega-scummy opportunistic lurker should not be permitted to lurk unpressured by the Town.

vote: scotmany12

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Wow. I agree that TS has been acting very scummy, but he is already at 5 votes. The majority is 8. Lets slow down guys.

Is it just me, or is this an incredibly phony attempt to sound townie?

Holding off jumping on my wagon, scotmany, because I pointed out that you are opportunistic, and lurking to boot, and now everybody is watching you? It's my opinion that scotmany is very, very transparent, and very scummy.

VitaminR, if I were scum, I wouldn't care and any wagon would be a good wagon. But I want scum to die, not townies, and I think scotmany is scum, and I want this scum to DIE, DIE, DIE.

I can see how scotmany's scumbuddies would want to wagon me, haha.

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Yes, Raffles, please explain why you're going against someone who, very recently, said that he didn't think you were scum.

Haha. All that scum would need to do is to declare everyone "townie" and no one could vote for them, hahahahaha.

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Whatever you guys decide. I am not scum. So I strongly suggest that everybody that is pressuring me right now, instead of true scumbag scotmany12, elaborates a great deal on their game plan when I turn out town. Like... you can all start a sentence with "if TS is turns out town then... blah blah blah" - it will be more informative if you do it NOW, than if you do it tomorrow in hindsight.

I don't mind being the lynch for today since I don't have a power role. My purpose is to shake things up and draw as much information as possible if lynched.

I am very disappointed scotmany12 was not vigged.

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unvote, Vote: Hollywoody

This vote will not be moving unless something substantial comes up.

I am glad you unvoted me, but I don't think Hollywoody is particularly scummy. I don't understand why you are voting for him.

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CASE AGAINST SCOTMANY:

Day 1

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 934#533934
One sentence. Wimpily unvotes a guy with only 2 votes.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 546#537546
One line. Expresses puzzlement that players are pushing for a lynch earlt in the name, which is playing dumb. Who's concerned about that? An early Day 1 wagon almost never results in a lynch. It's just to kick start discussion.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 456#541456
One line. Wishy-washy "leaning" towards voting for me (I had 5 votes). Holds off voting.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 779#544779
This one's precious. He finally votes, opportunisitcally giving me a 7th vote. Why? He doesn't like how I pushed "for a lynch in the beginning of the game." Duh. Everyone knows no lynch would happen, it's just the game, we have to get it going. Berates me for voting for the next guy with the most votes, duh!!!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 870#544870
Another useless "I agree" one-liner.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 743#548743
"My vote remains on TS for now. I have to reread sometime, but until then, I am confident with where my vote is. " - That's all. Ah, but now I am at 4 votes. There's near zero case against me, but suddenly, mister wishy-washy is confident. Stinks of opportunism and convenience. Maybe he didn't like the fact that both me and kinkster both had 4 votes?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 087#549087
Another hollow one line promise to reread.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 870#549870
Still no time to re-read by hey! "Until then, my vote stays on TS" - I am back at 6, kinster at 4.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 288#551288
Ah! CONTENT!!! Now he's very sure kinskter is sum because of bad grammar and punctuation. Read the whole post carefully. He's confident... but there is no reason for his vote of kinkster whatsoever! None at all. Basically, he says that after rereading, he finds kinkster most scummy. That's his REASON!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 643#551643
Yet later, he berates Panzer for voting against kinster "for the sake of the English language" conveniently forgetting that he himself committed the same sin just a few posts before.

A day of insignifican, wimpy, "don't rock the boat" posts. Lurking, non-commital, plays dumb, asks too many self-evident questions. No rhyme or reason for this votes, except, of course, scummy opportunism.

Day 2

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 777#563777
Pretends he can't figure out why I found him opportunistic, and therefore, scummy.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 758#564758
SUddenly fakes concern at the speed of my DAY 2 wagon.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 394#567394
"He doesn't have a case against me raffles." Sorry, you're wrong about that.

Today: since he was put on notice yesterday that he was opportunisitic, he's bending overbackwards to try to look the opposite, ie, expressing false alarm over the speed of my wagon, especially in light of the fact that he's been saying that I am scum since day one, and continues to say so.

But as far as scotmany goes... whoever has the most votes is who he finds the most scummy! Like we wouldn't notice...

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Ha, I laugh at that whole argument TS, especially when you think I voted for kison because he had bad grammar. I did nothing of the sort. Your argument is flawed. Nice try though.

Laugh if you want. But I put the link in my argument so that people can look at the post, see for themselves, and make up their own minds about it.

BTW, you are expected to defend yourself, not pretend to laugh and simply declare that my argument is flawed. Unless you're scum. 'Cuz that's exactly what scum would do.

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Where my arguments are stretching reason, you can fill in "overwhelming gut feeling."

Isn't his reaction now uber-scummy, too?

To me... he sticks out like a sore thumb in this game. I dunno. Maybe you guys aren't attuned to the things I am attuned to, scumdar-wise.

I suggest that you question the alignment of people that continue to vote for me.

Why? I am sinking my teeth into another player early in the game, and I am not letting go. Right? Two possibilities.

(1) One is that I an scum and I am totally suicidal. For some bizarre reason I want this one player to be lynched. Heck, if I were scum, I'd nightkill him and not try to have him lynched or vigged so hard, and stake my own life, when you get down to it, on him being scum. No matter how many people are voting for me, I still go after this one player non-stop. Does this make sense for scum to do?

(2) Two is that I am Town and I am absolutely and overwhelmingly convinced that scotmany12 is scum.

I think it's pretty obvious which of (1) or (2) it is. So the people that continue to vote for me, like DragonPheonix "I have seen enough" and votes, should be viewed with great suspicion, because that's also very opportunistic voting. Ancalagon should also be viewed with suspicion.

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I believe I am at lynch -2.

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That is probably a true statement.

I'm not sure what you're trying to convey, TS.

You'll find out tomorrow that I am a vanilla townie. Not exactly a tragedy.

Still, I don't want to die in vain, so try to get as much info as possible from the people that are on my wagon.

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Congratulations to Raffles!