Mafia 57: Good Ol' Mafia - Game over!

[Canucklehead17]

/confirm

[Canucklehead17]

Everyone please note that votes do not count during the confirmation stage. Once day starts then the votes will count.

I was wondering about that.

[Canucklehead17]

I like random.org, so let's see what we get...

23!

Vote: cheesefan

[Canucklehead17]

Vote: Shadow Lurker

You think too much.

That's just him. He's mad at me about another game though, so I'm not surprised he's dug deep for a reason to vote me.

[Canucklehead17]

JDodge voted using random.org, so why is my use of it called into question?

I challenge you to look for yourself at the other game. Group Therapy Mafia, page 13. On that page, SL lets off a string of expletives at me and generally acts childish. Within a few minutes, he's on this game voting me because he thinks I faked using random.org. Take a look at that and then come back and talk.

Or has it really come to the point where one has to take screenshots or something to prove they used random.org.

[Canucklehead17]

EBWOP - Group therapy mafia is in the Theme Park.

[Canucklehead17]

Ok, just wanted to point out I have a legit reason.

[Canucklehead17]

My apologies. I only deemed it necessary because of SL knuckleheadedness.

BTW, it was page 14. That is the last I'll say about it.

[Canucklehead17]

seems to me that since Twito, Pevergreen, Cheesefan, and ChannelDelibird have reached 2 votes, the Mafia seems to have got a bit panicky, and started voting for canucklehead. The question is: which one of their buddies was in danger?
FOS: at all those on 2 votes.

SCUMDAR ALERT!

You claim that the mafia have started voting for canucklehead but instead FoS those on two votes.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

[/quote]

Ooo, agreed.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

[Canucklehead17]

EBWOP: Above post should look like this:

seems to me that since Twito, Pevergreen, Cheesefan, and ChannelDelibird have reached 2 votes, the Mafia seems to have got a bit panicky, and started voting for canucklehead. The question is: which one of their buddies was in danger?
FOS: at all those on 2 votes.

You claim that the mafia have started voting for canucklehead but instead FoS those on two votes.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

Ooo, agreed.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

[Canucklehead17]

QFT = Quoted For Truth

[Canucklehead17]

BattleMage

Your arguments do not make sence

you have shown yourself to be a liability as any kind of player

Im not sure if your scum or just plain ol stupid

but i think its scum

I tend to agree, but it does reek of newbishness to me. He seems to act as if we take it as fact that he is town, which seems to me like a newb that still doesn't quite know the game yet. He could still be scum, though.

Yeahh, I'm tending to agree. We do analyze things a lot more here on mafiascum than at other places. I think I'll

unvote: Battle Mage

for now.

[Canucklehead17]

If you guys lynch me, the town will lose this game.

Umm, how's that? Now before you disregard this post, notice I'm not voting for you.

Simply because we lynch you doesn't mean we lose the game. If you turn out to be townie, then we've lost a townie, nothing more. It would take the killing of all the

other

townies before we lost the game.

Soooo, if you're lynched, the town will not lose the game.

[Canucklehead17]

Lets just say I lied a little bit, I am no normal townie.

Ooo, he's a

NUCLEAR

townie. If he dies, he explodes and the whole game is over!

[Canucklehead17]

This game has an awesome entertainment value...but very little good mafia strategizing, I sympathize with SV there.

Scotmany, the title of this game is "Good Ol' Mafia". I'm taking this to mean it's plain, simple, ordinary, mafia, with plain, simple, ordinary, mafia roles(town, doc, cop, mafia, vig, SK, etc). There are no freakishly amazing wacked out roles that'll give the town dire consequences.

unvote, vote: scotmany12

[Canucklehead17]

Well, seeing that this isn't really working, yeah. But I still swear that I am a townie but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be killed.

Alright, well here's the problem. It's hard for us to believe that after the junk you told us before. Good rule of thumb: Don't make things up.

[Canucklehead17]

If we have a vigilante and it's me Fircoal will die tonight.

[Canucklehead17]

Eye-roll: N9V, ShadowLurker, Panzerjager, Twito, & pevergreen

You guys aren't really helping us out much by throwing around insults and just generally being hard to get along with.

Unvote: ~N9V~ Sorry about how I was acting, getting really pissed off. O.K ShadowLurker and Twito, I looked back at all my posts, and the posts that I responded to, and found nothing scummy in them at all. So tell me, why do you think I'm scum.

Don't count on it. Apparently, not explaining your vote

isn't

scummy. Go figure, eh?

But I would like to know why SL and Twito started this whole thing, if it's not too much to ask, and it won't get me flamed, insulted, stomped on, and generally disrespected.

[Canucklehead17]

Nightfall, just wanna point out...

With four night kills, I think it's very safe to say we have a vig.

That is all.

[Canucklehead17]

I think you will see when Shadow replies.

meaning you are defending shadow lurker?

No, that's not what he means. What he means is that Shadow is going to explode at you guys for even

considering

that he's scum and for even daring to

post

something that could implicate him as scum.

I'm liking my Panzer vote at the moment. The SL bandwagon is purely based on the fact that these guys don't like his personality, there's no actual evidence behind it at all.

We have no reason to believe Twito is a vig any more than anyone else.

Confirm vote: Panzerjager for claiming SL is scum for no reason, allocating everyone their night kills from last night, and thinking he's Fritzler.

FoS: ~N9V~ who seems to be following everything Panzer says.

ChannelD, this is a bit hypocritical of you. You said that you're voting Panzer for saying SL is scum for no reason, but SL did the exact same thing to N9V. If you're going to go after one person for it, go after the other as well.

WHAT THE HELL, DO YOU PEOPLE NOT LISTEN. WE LYNCHED ONE OF THE MOST PROTOWN PLAYERS IN THE GAME.

KILL/VOTE: ~N9V~

Can you give a reason why to vote for me?

CUZ UR SCUM

[Canucklehead17]

I hate vote-hoppers.

But I see the reasons for N9V, and I can see some linkage between him and Panzer.

So since the wagon is on N9V:

Vote: N9V

[Canucklehead17]

I could go for a Canucklehead lynch.

Seems a bit more suspicious than pever or TCS to me.

Yay! Someone is paying attention to me!

Wait, what did I do?

[Canucklehead17]

I could go for a Canucklehead lynch.

Seems a bit more suspicious than pever or TCS to me.

Yay! Someone is paying attention to me!

Wait, what did I do?

I'll start with the beginning.

Trying to make SL's initial random vote for you look like OMGUS. Trying to misrepresent facts angers me.

The whole "If you're a townie, you're a safe lynch" thing against scotmany day 1.

But I would like to know why SL and Twito started this whole thing, if it's not too much to ask, and it won't get me flamed, insulted, stomped on, and generally disrespected.

You have to admit it did create discussion which outed N9V, who I believe is the one they were pushing for from the start.

You then proceeded to adamantly defend N9V, until...

I hate vote-hoppers.

But I see the reasons for N9V, and I can see some linkage between him and Panzer.

So since the wagon is on N9V:

Vote: N9V

Since you were suspicious of SL for blatantly coming out and saying that his reasoning for voting N9V was "CUZ HE'S SCUM", I find it strange that you suddenly decided to agree with him.

Ok, I haven't had much to contribute lately, so I'll jump in and go for a 100% defense of myself.

Firstly, the SL vote. It wasn't random at all...

I like random.org, so let's see what we get...

23!

Vote: cheesefan

It's so freaking obvious he's lying about using random.org here as to get a vote on a townie but not let the town know that.

Vote Canucklehead17

It could be said that he misrepresented facts against me. I

did

use random.org.

Anyways, if you look at my reasoning for his vote, you'll see it's quite sound. I pointed out that I had royally ticked him off in another game, and within minutes(minutes, you hear?) he was over here voting for me on this game with a very stupid reason. Others had said they were using random.org, but SL chose me to pick on about it. Coincidence? Considering it's close proximity with his blow-up in the other game, I think not.

Secondly, I'm not sure what you mean with scotmany. He gave us no reason to trust him by coming up with a totally stupid claim. I never said he was a safe lynch cause he was townie, sooo not really sure what that's about.

Thirdly, defending N9V. I actually never did defend him. I only wanted to know the reason for the bandwagon against him.

And lastly, I didn't vote for N9V til like 5 days after my supposed defense of him. It was during this time that my reading and N9V's responses prompted me to go ahead and join the bandwagon. So I wasn't asking why the bandwagon one minute, and then hopping on the next. I just didn't have many posts in between those two events.

[Canucklehead17]

Oh, yeah, I see where you thought that. My post to scotmany on that particular instance was because of his very dumb little statement that if we lynch him, we lose. That was incredibly stupid, and I corrected him. It was blatantly obvious that he was lying(seeing as this is good ol' mafia, and there's no way he could have a pro-town role with that kind of effect). There was nothing special about him, and it was stupid of him to say so. So if he turned out to be a townie, we didn't lose the game, we just lost a townie.

SL was not joking. Have you looked at the other game I mentioned. I don't think I can provide links to other games, but I challenge you to go back and see where I said it was. Compare his profanity-filled tirade with his post in this game, and notice the time in between(it's 3 minutes to be exact, I just checked). It wasn't a joke.

And I can't do anything about your opinion. I was simply asking why the bandwagon, and that's all. Regardless, even if I was defending him, it was 4 or 5 days later before I voted him, and in that period of time, plenty happened that would've changed my mind even if I was defending him.

[Canucklehead17]

Can't say as I believe him either. He has an incredibly detailed summary, and I just don't see how he can come to all of those conclusions. It sounds like an elaborate claim by scum just to get things confusing, to be honest.

[Canucklehead17]

Hmm, I went back and read all of TCS's posts, and he was adamantly against the N9V wagon. Said he just couldn't see why everyone thought he was scum. Now after N9V was found to be scum, TCS went into a bit of a lurking mode, and didn't post for several days. I can see this being interpreted in two possible ways.

1. TCS is scum. He tried to stop the wagon on his scumbuddy(N9V), failed, and then laid low for a bit to make sure no one got suspicious of him.

-OR-

2. TCS is not scum, and genuinely thought N9V was innocent. Once N9V was killed, it surprised TCS, and he stopped posting again to avoid suspicion, because he's townie and doesn't want to be mistaken for mafia in his defense of N9V.

It's my opinion that a townie need not ever be afraid of being looked at as suspicious if he is truly a townie. One who is suspicious usually acts suspicious, so I can agree with the TCS wagon.

Vote: TCS

[Canucklehead17]

I was just looking over TCS's posts again, and I think it should be noted that he

did

call for a CDB lynch, and CDB turned out to be scum. My vote stays where it's at right now, but it has lowered him a bit on my scumdar.

[Canucklehead17]

Way to go TCS...

unvote

What's the case on Rafk again?

[Canucklehead17]

Panzer, I'm just wondering what your view of an SK type player is? Honest question.

[Canucklehead17]

LOL @ Twito's suspect list. That's what? 80% of our game?

About TCS. There are things that make me wanna vote him, but there are things that make me not want to vote him.

Reasons to vote him:

1. He defended N9V.
2. He does vote-hop and seem generally scummy.

Reasons not to vote him:

1. He was convinced CBD was scum, voted him, and though he wasn't lynched, turns out he was scum, and he WAS killed that night, giving weight to his vig claim.
2. He voted Panzer as soon as Panzer claimed, making me think he was trying to show a false claim without giving himself away. Eventually though, he did feel a claim was necessary.

Overall, I actually think that Panzer's claim seems more suspicious. But I do see the case on TCS.

Right now, I'm just gonna

FoS: Panzer and TCS

[Canucklehead17]

Did he say he vigged Dagger? I missed that, sorry.

In my second point, I was saying that it's possible that TCS knew Panzer was lying because TCS is the vig, and so he voted Panzer right away to show that he KNEW that Panzer wasn't the vig. Bad wording I know in the first post, hopefully this clears that up.

[Canucklehead17]

Tonight, It will be a coin flip between ShadowLurker and RafK. Hopefully there isn't a scum roleblocker.

Great, that's wonderful. Just tell the world what you're doing. Nice.

[Canucklehead17]

Yeahh, Twito. I'm scum cause I want to make sure TCS is scum before I join the wagon against him. I see points against him, and I see points for him. However, I was wrong about who he targeted, so that does put him further up on my scumdar. Still not convinced enough to place my vote on a claimed vig, as two vigs are still possible. I'd much rather find someone else other than Panzer or TCS to vote for, but that appears to be the only place this town will look. Thus, only my FoS's instead of votes.

[Canucklehead17]

Canuck > why at this point would it be bad for our "Vigs" to announce who they are targeting?

Because he said "hopefully there's not a roleblocker out there". Gee, if he thinks there's a possibility of a roleblocker, then don't announce your intentions!

[Canucklehead17]

Just realized something else strange about TCS. He supposedly counter-claimed Panzer, but he isn't voting for Panzer? If I was vig, and someone else claimed vig, I think I'd be voting for that person...

Back to

Vote: TCS

[Canucklehead17]

Ok, I'm finally beginning to be able to put together a theory.

Let's say for the sake of theorizing that TCS is indeed the sole vig. Why, you ask, did Panzer claim vig first then? I think it's entirely possible that all the mafia buddies put their heads together and came up with a plan for confusing the town. They decide that they will have Panzer claim vig, and then go from there, with some of the mafia supporting Panzer, while others go against him to keep adding on to the confusion.

Hmm, it's kinda shaky sounding, but it's the best I can think of right now. TCS, if we were to lynch Panzer today, who would your second choice for tonight's kill be?

Thoughts people?

[Canucklehead17]

EBWOP: I forgot to mention that I just don't think there are two vigs. I think the four night 1 kills can be explained as: Vig, SK, and two mafia's. Considering the number of people people to begin this game(24), two mafia groups of 3 or 4 is a lot easier to believe.

Say we have 8 total mafia, 1 SK, 1 vig, 1 doc, 1 cop, and 12 townies. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Canucklehead17]

Ok, I'm finally beginning to be able to put together a theory.

Let's say for the sake of theorizing that TCS is indeed the sole vig. Why, you ask, did Panzer claim vig first then? I think it's entirely possible that all the mafia buddies put their heads together and came up with a plan for confusing the town. They decide that they will have Panzer claim vig, and then go from there, with some of the mafia supporting Panzer, while others go against him to keep adding on to the confusion.

Hmm, it's kinda shaky sounding, but it's the best I can think of right now. TCS, if we were to lynch Panzer today, who would your second choice for tonight's kill be?

Thoughts people?

Your theory fits better with TCS and Panzer as scumbuddies.

But how would that work? First, we don't have another counter-claim for vig, so I honestly believe

one

of those guys is the vig. Plus, TCS wouldn't be able to fulfill his promise of killing Panzer tonight if they're scumbuddies.

[Canucklehead17]

So since BG was completely forgot about the game, I must be scum.

Logical.

Yeah, welcome to the game.

BM, Blue Gatorade was not lurking, he's was inactive. This is evident in his replacement. Therefore, you being so jumpy on the guy who takes his spot makes no sense whatsoever, and you being so eager about it raises you way up on my scumdar.

Since it appears TCS and Panzer are agreeable to vigging each other tonight...

unvote, vote: BM

[Canucklehead17]

Ok, I'm finally beginning to be able to put together a theory.

Let's say for the sake of theorizing that TCS is indeed the sole vig. Why, you ask, did Panzer claim vig first then? I think it's entirely possible that all the mafia buddies put their heads together and came up with a plan for confusing the town. They decide that they will have Panzer claim vig, and then go from there, with some of the mafia supporting Panzer, while others go against him to keep adding on to the confusion.

Hmm, it's kinda shaky sounding, but it's the best I can think of right now. TCS, if we were to lynch Panzer today, who would your second choice for tonight's kill be?

Thoughts people?

Your scummy.

Sigh, you're impossible. I'm not scum, and to be honest, I have no idea why you think I am. But that's not unusual for you to just declare one scum and then vote for them is it?

[Canucklehead17]

That's it! Twito is scum...he just is going crazy on my scumdar.

Anytime anyone questions him, he calls them scummy.
"Attack my reasoning? SCUM!"
"Question my language skills? Now that's a scumtell."
"No I don't have a reason to vote you, you're just scum cause I say you are!"

You make no sense, Twito, and you're directing attention away from yourself all the time. YOU, sir, are scum, and BM is your scumbuddy.

[Canucklehead17]

I'm keeping my vote on your scumbuddy.

And if you'll notice, no one else other than you seems to think I'm scum, so I'm not trying to "save" myself. Do you know why no one else thinks I'm scum? Cause there's no reason to think I am. You just call me scum and insist on it from then on. If that's not scummy, I don't know what is. Get a grip, Twito.

[Canucklehead17]

I'm keeping my vote on your scumbuddy.

And if you'll notice, no one else other than you seems to think I'm scum, so I'm not trying to "save" myself. Do you know why no one else thinks I'm scum? Cause there's no reason to think I am. You just call me scum and insist on it from then on. If that's not scummy, I don't know what is. Get a grip, Twito.

Actually there were others who were suspicious of you. Don't even try to deny this.

There is plenty of reason to think you are scum. You are acting like scum thinking he made a perfect play and there shouldn't be any reason to suspect you. Actually there is plenty this post added, you are a dirty scumbag and should be lynched.[/b]

Name them.

You're trying to hard to come up with reasons to vote me Twito.

[Canucklehead17]

EBWOP: The post should look like this:

I'm keeping my vote on your scumbuddy.

And if you'll notice, no one else other than you seems to think I'm scum, so I'm not trying to "save" myself. Do you know why no one else thinks I'm scum? Cause there's no reason to think I am. You just call me scum and insist on it from then on. If that's not scummy, I don't know what is. Get a grip, Twito.

Actually there were others who were suspicious of you. Don't even try to deny this.

There is plenty of reason to think you are scum. You are acting like scum thinking he made a perfect play and there shouldn't be any reason to suspect you. Actually there is plenty this post added, you are a dirty scumbag and should be lynched.

Name them.

You're trying to hard to come up with reasons to vote me Twito.

[Canucklehead17]

I'm not even trying. You are scum and you know it. Others are about to figure out. Just look back a little. I'll look the name up later and prove another of your bs arguments wrong.

Looking forward to that.

BTW, I loved your whole "you're scum and you know it" bit. Very original.

[Canucklehead17]

I'm not even trying. You are scum and you know it. Others are about to figure out. Just look back a little. I'll look the name up later and prove another of your bs arguments wrong.

Looking forward to that.

BTW, I loved your whole "you're scum and you know it" bit. Very original.

It was me.

I still think you're scum.

Ahh, right I remember.

Ok, you two think I'm scum, now tell me why.

[Canucklehead17]

Mmk.

Your first point: Blaming another game.

That was a totally reasonable reference. I know you still haven't visited and read that game, or you would see that. It's incredibly obvious that SL's angry-outburst in the other game led to his vote on me in this game....especially considering outburst and vote in this game were less than 5 min apart.

Your second point: Joining on the bandwagon with CBD when he accused BM.

First, I was only the second on that wagon, so I don't think one can technically call it jumping on the bandwagon right then. Plus, right after I voted, all of these people voted at well:

autoload
cheesefan

JDodge

(gasp)
scotmany
Blue Gatorade

So not only was I alone in thinking BM was scummy, you were on that wagon as well, only 2 hours after I was.

Your third point: Sucking up under pressure

Do you see me sucking up now? I wasn't sucking up then either, I was stating fact. I saw what made you think what you did, and I explained my position. Hardly sucking up.

So to recap, the game reference is very legit(if you'd just take a second to look you'd know this), my supposed "scumbuddy wagon" was one that you joined on just a couple of hours later, and I was not sucking up.....as if sucking up is a scumtell in the first place??

[Canucklehead17]

EBWOP: Line that says "So not only was I alone in thinking BM was scummy" should say "So not only was I

not

alone in thinking BM was scummy.

[Canucklehead17]

I don't like how scummy Canuck is and I don't like that he is defending TCS-scum

so

Vote:Canuck

I never defended him! Sheesh, lol. I

was

voting him til you guys agreed to vig each other.

[Canucklehead17]

Your most scummy post in Twito's opinion where you also defended TCS:

LOL @ Twito's suspect list. That's what? 80% of our game?

About TCS. There are things that make me wanna vote him, but there are things that make me not want to vote him.

Reasons to vote him:

1. He defended N9V.
2. He does vote-hop and seem generally scummy.

Reasons not to vote him:

1. He was convinced CBD was scum, voted him, and though he wasn't lynched, turns out he was scum, and he WAS killed that night, giving weight to his vig claim.
2. He voted Panzer as soon as Panzer claimed, making me think he was trying to show a false claim without giving himself away. Eventually though, he did feel a claim was necessary.

Overall, I actually think that Panzer's claim seems more suspicious. But I do see the case on TCS.

Right now, I'm just gonna

FoS: Panzer and TCS

Wait, what? That's a defense of TCS?

Hokay.

[Canucklehead17]

It defends TCS

No, it doesn't.

It has two points in favour of voting him, and two against. It ends with a FoS against both Panzer and TCS, and a couple of days later, I put my vote on TCS before moving it to your scumbuddy.

So no, it doesn't.

[Canucklehead17]

Well bravo guys, you've stumped me. I don't know exactly why you all think I'm scummy, buuuut, obviously you do.

[Canucklehead17]

And I already explained my actions behind your reasons. So now what? You lynch me just cause you can't find anyone else?

[Canucklehead17]

That was a totally reasonable reference. I know you still haven't visited and read that game, or you would see that. It's incredibly obvious that SL's angry-outburst in the other game led to his vote on me in this game....especially considering outburst and vote in this game were less than 5 min apart.

I'm in the other game and I don't think so.
It's also an ongoing game and you shouldn't refer to it.

Well now that's a biased opinion because you're so lynch happy against me for some reason. Personally, I think it's cause you're scum and are doing all you can to divert attention from yourself.

As far as not referring to another game, you're right, I prolly shouldn't. However, when I first did refer, I didn't realize I shouldn't be doing it. It is now an issue and being used against me, so it's being discussed.

SL, in THAT game, posted a message to me that had the f-bomb 20 times or more(I am NOT exaggerating). 3 minutes later, he voted for me on this game. Deal with it.

[Canucklehead17]

And I already explained my actions behind your reasons. So now what? You lynch me just cause you can't find anyone else?

I'm going to go with "You aren't innocent just because you explained your actions".

Fine. That must mean you found something scummy in my explanations, right? I mean, if your accusations are found to carry no weight, why do you still hold them?

[Canucklehead17]

Yes, because everyone is out to get you because of other games.

Wrong. SL was just particularly mad at that time at me, and so he voted for me in this game. I mean, seriously, he voted me saying I was lying about using random.org! Can you say "digging for a reason"? So maybe I made a mistake by ever mentioning the other game in the first place, but I did, so I'm trying to make the best of the situation.

You should be modkilled.
Also your attempts to divert suspicion on me ain't working.

Modkilled? I never provided a link to the other game. I never quoted the other game. All I did was ask anyone who had a doubt to take an honest look(something you're incapable of it seems). If that was 100% wrong, then fine, I deserve to be mod-killed. At least then the town can still get a good lynch on you or your buddy BM.

And if you call defending myself attempts to divert suspicion, then by all means I acknowledge that.

[Canucklehead17]

BUT I myself prefer playing without modkills.

HA! Almost forgot to catch yourself there did you Twitoscum? Didn't want people thinking you want as many people killed as possible, which of course is something scum do.

Too funny.

[Canucklehead17]

You are not exactly defending yourself. You are saying I'm scum and shouldn't be trusted and my accusations cannot be correct.

Yes, I'm saying that you YOU. To JDodge I am simply defending myself, as I believe he is a well-meaning townie.

[Canucklehead17]

I prefer winning honestly regardless of my allignment. I wouldn't mind you being modkilled as you are scum tho. But it's againts my game moral. Then again so is your rulebreaking behavior.

Actually, I see no rules that I have broken. Go take a look for yourself at the rules section of this thread.

[Canucklehead17]

Canucklehead falls under LAL, I never vote for people for things that happen in other ongoing games.

Riiight. So you honestly thought I had faked using random.org for a random vote?

If so, why didn't you think that about the other players using random.org?

[Canucklehead17]

You are not exactly defending yourself. You are saying I'm scum and shouldn't be trusted and my accusations cannot be correct.

Yes, I'm saying that you YOU. To JDodge I am simply defending myself, as I believe he is a well-meaning townie.

Thank you for the kind words.

It's a shame you're scum.

Ok, fine, whatever you say. I still don't understand exactly why you are so set on me being scum. Earlier, you just said I sounded scummy, and I answered your reasons why. It's only since Twito has become so lynch happy that you seem to actually want to vote me and whatnot.

I see at least three other people who are scummy: Twito, BM, and Panzer/TCS(since it seems one of them is lying). Twito pushes lynches without giving explanations(notice all of this time he only says "yes, thank you for making the case" and "oh, i'll build a case if I need to later on". He has yet to explain himself in his own words.

BM insists on lynching someone who replaced a player who wasn't lurking, but instead was simply inactive.

I guess lynch-happy players are pro-town players?

[Canucklehead17]

That makes no sense. When I used random.org(and I DID use random.org) it gave me the number of cheesefan, and so that's how I voted. I never voted against SL. Yet he came in and voted for me cause he said I was faking it.

And I wasn't angry about the other game anyway, and I never showed it. I made an accusation against SL in that game, and he disagreed, I pushed it, he exploded. 3 min later, he accuses me of faking random.org and voting for cheesefan.

I mean, COME ON, this isn't hard people!

[Canucklehead17]

Listen, the only reason this is being discussed so much is because it's one of your "points against". I have a legit reason. However, if I broke a rule, I did it unknowingly, though that's hardly scummy.

And oh, of course you believe SL, eh?

Must be frustrating to be caught thinking you didn't act scummy.

I actually LOL'ed. To be honest Twito, the most frustrating thing here is you because of the way you play. I'm not scum, but I'll never convince you of that, and you won't even consider it. So yeah, I'm frustrated at that.

[Canucklehead17]

New Rule:

[06]Do not make references to other ongoing games. Violators are subject to replacement or modkill at my discretion.

Vote count coming up

Acknowledged.

I'm truly sorry to have ever brought it up. Had no idea people would think it was a scumtell.

[Canucklehead17]

My absence: Building new computer, have been gone from the site. Back now.

Mariyta's reasoning seems contradictory:
She doesn't like inactivity, yet defends her own by saying that there's nothing to say. She should've said that she too was a hypocrite. But wait, she's a hypocrite; she'll only oust other hypocrites. The vote on me, wtf!?

IGMEOY!!!!112

As for nuckle, he's giving off that something's not right vibe. Though I agreee that SL's vote was unwarranted, it's gone now. I think that nuckle was looking for a reason to attack a townie.

vote nuckle

Whaaaat? Attack what townie? I never attacked SL, if that's who you mean. Never voted for him, nothing.

[Canucklehead17]

Well, I went back and read their posts.

They both voted for N9V, but that's basically useless, as they could've conspired with N9V to bust him and make them look good.

Scummiest thing livingod said was "Doc for a doc seems fair". That's hardly pro-town sounding.

Scummiest thing pevergreen said was a FoS at Frustrian for dropping the hammer on N9V before we knew N9V's alignment. Looks a bit like scum trying to start some fresh suspicion immediately after a lynch.

However, I think both are town atm. While both said things that could be viewed at scummy, neither is worth a vote or even a FoS imo.

[Canucklehead17]

You don't get it, I'm not saying or implying that SL is town, or scum, or whatever. I don't care about SL's alignment. I care about why Nuckle assumes SL's alignment.

What are you talking about? I never assumed SL's alignment at all.

[Canucklehead17]

I never did say SL is town. What I did say was "why is it you think SL is scum? I don't see it." as you put it.

I said X. You assumed I said Y. I say, "not Y, X!" You say, "Well, why didn't you say X in the first place!?" i.e. faulty logic.

I'm here... my contribution to finding scum has been ignored in this game. Since Panzerjager has agreed to "vig" me tonight, he's dead tonight, and nobody seems to realize how blatantly scum JDodge is, I have nothing more to give.

I don't see the argument for any of the votes yet with the exception of RafK.

This game is just a massive spamfest. If you guys can track scum well in this environment, more power to you. I suck at it.

Hello? You're complaining about other people not explaining their vote, but you still have yet to explain your vote on me... why?

And your suspicions are based on?

The content of your posts, in isolation, much in the same manner that I called Channeldelibird.

I think I just heard something sizzle.

[Canucklehead17]

Third...if that's needed.

[Canucklehead17]

Just so you guys know, I'm still here. Got a new job that has me up and out early, so I haven't been online much. Left the house at 5:30 this morning, got home at 10:00 this evening, it's been a long day.

*yawn* I'll post something useful tomorrow.

[Canucklehead17]

Alright, then let's lynch battle mage and watch mafia and serial killer go at it.

This would actually clear up a lot.

[Canucklehead17]

Wait a second, what's happening hear? JDodge, what short list? I simply supported seeing a vig-off tonight and all of the sudden I'm on the brink of being lynched.

I'm leaning more towards Panzer being the real vig. BM was already scummy to me, and now he's backing up TCS against Panzer. Just getting bad vibes from both of them.

[Canucklehead17]

Yeah, yeah fine, I'll give you a roleclaim.

I'm the serial killer.

Well, at least there's more of a chance of you believing that than that I'm just a regular townie.

[Canucklehead17]

Also, since my townie claim is less than likely to save me, I'd like to once more say that I want Panzer and TCS to vig each other.

JDodge...I answered those accusations, you didn't buy it, then you did or something cause you unvoted, now you're re-voting. What exactly is going on?

[Canucklehead17]

SK is a lone figure. He plays by himself, for himself.

I claimed accurately and you

STILL

didn't believe me. Weirdos.