Death's Diner -Game Over-

[Slandaar]

GP - Town (misguided on Amrun)
Rofl - Town with innocent on Day 1
Bro - Paranoid (only one with a guilty)
MS - Modkilled town
Slandaar - Scum

Where did rofl say he got an inno? You are taking BRO's word on it?

I see how it is.

You know when I flip town you die so may aswell all in eh?

[zMuffinMan]

oh

Vote: Slandaar

that feels so good

But, let's talk about who outside the dethy is scum.

amrun. pv. if there's another, then maybe mac.

[Titus]

I still don't know why in God's name I'm alive. Scum SHOULD have killed me.


Slandaar, you never corrected that. GP never corrected that. MS never corrected that. It's pretty much a certain statement that ROFL had an innocent.

[Rift Adrift]

oh

Vote: Slandaar

that feels so good

But, let's talk about who outside the dethy is scum.

amrun. pv. if there's another, then maybe mac.

I don't like how Stubbs became all but worthless after Zoidberg's flip. The thing that holds me back on that is the way Stubbs repeatedly tried to get me to reevaluate Zoidberg. Encryptor is a powerful scum ability. Sooo.

- Zoidberg aggressively goes after Stubbs
- Stubbs keeps yelling that he's being misrepped
- Zoidberg switches to BRO
- BRO reaches out specifically to Syr because tenements
- Slandaar outs that there's a dethy and they think BRO is the scum member
- I jump to the conclusion that Zoidberg knew what was going on in the dethy qt
- ROFL confirms
- BRO lynch is a no go
- Zoidberg wagon eventually goes to a lynch

So. Does it make sense that Zoidberg would bus before the dethy boils over? Could be.

Does it make sense that Stubbs would fight that hard over being bussed? Not really. If Stubbs had an even more valuable scum role - say vanillaizer - then I don't think he would have been a bus target in the first place.

[Rift Adrift]

I still don't know why in God's name I'm alive. Scum SHOULD have killed me.


Slandaar, you never corrected that. GP never corrected that. MS never corrected that. It's pretty much a certain statement that ROFL had an innocent.

I thought ROFL didn't share his N1 result with the dethy?

[Rift Adrift]

ROFL confirms

That's not accurate. It wasn't a confirm. ROFL said that he'd been wondering the same thing based on the timing of Zoidberg's attack on BRO.

[BROseidon]

Does it make sense that Stubbs would fight that hard over being bussed? Not really. If Stubbs had an even more valuable scum role - say vanillaizer - then I don't think he would have been a bus target in the first place.

Scum theatre?

[zMuffinMan]

I still don't know why in God's name I'm alive. Scum SHOULD have killed me.

... why would you even say this?

Slandaar, you never corrected that. GP never corrected that. MS never corrected that. It's pretty much a certain statement that ROFL had an innocent.

bro said that rofl didn't outright claim an inno, but it was assumed based on the theory that rofl wanted to keep scum from knowing bro was paranoid (if rofl had a guilty, he'd have no reason to keep his results hidden)

slandaar is still scum though for a variety of other reasons so this isn't an important thing

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I don't like how Stubbs became all but worthless after Zoidberg's flip.

i actually forgot stubbs was still in the game.

Does it make sense that Stubbs would fight that hard over being bussed? Not really. If Stubbs had an even more valuable scum role - say vanillaizer - then I don't think he would have been a bus target in the first place.

are you saying you think stubbs is town or scum here?

[BROseidon]

btw my picks for where the other scum are in Amrun/p5/Stubbs/Mac from strongest to weakest. An Amrun townflip would make me re-evaluate my muffin read.

RA is my strongest townread at this point. Titus is also a fairly strong townread, and I think Slandaar's trying to throw shade on the slot before going down. I'd like Oriole to post more because he's generally doing a good job when he posts, but the lack of volume bothers me a bit. Baezu's day 1 response to her wagon seemed town, but the lack of content since makes her my weakest townread.

[Slandaar]

The correction is: Rofl didn't give a result. Why are you taking BROscums word on this Titusscum?

Rofl never gave a result. He got a guilty and is paranoid but whatever, If I were scum I never would have put myself in this position today, Kill BRO over Ghost and steal Ghosts ability. Which they could have done but noone other than scum and I know that so meh.

Even if you want to argue scum can't steal abilities its still a better situation to go 1v1 with ghost over bro its just common sense but I have been setup pretty hard.

I am insane rofl paranoid BRO scum ghost/sonic sane/naive can never know which.

[BROseidon]

Even if you want to argue scum can't steal abilities its still a better situation to go 1v1 with ghost over bro its just common sense but I have been setup pretty hard.

[BROseidon]

Don't know why this didn't work the first time

[Slandaar]

Yes, Yes, explain to me again how you suggesting rofl got an inno isn't wifom?

[BROseidon]

What town-motivation would there be to him trying to conceal his result if he got a guilty?

[zMuffinMan]

if scum have the ability to vanillarise multiple nights, why didn't it happen N1?

[Rift Adrift]

Does it make sense that Stubbs would fight that hard over being bussed? Not really. If Stubbs had an even more valuable scum role - say vanillaizer - then I don't think he would have been a bus target in the first place.

Scum theatre?

Maybe. There weren't many at that point thinking Stubbs was scum. I was getting a ton of flack and pressure to back off our vote. Some of the pressure was from players who have flipped town.

[Titus]

Slandaar, riddle me this... why would I attach a bomb onto Tiphane if I was scum? I was also arguing that scum cannot steal abilities twice. It would be too OP.

This setup would benefit majorly from last wills.

Exactly Muffin... why wouldn't they have taken TD's bomb night 1? Supposing they did momentarily, then scum having a 3 use Vanillaizer is just ridiculously overpowered.

[Slandaar]

What town-motivation would there be to him trying to conceal his result if he got a guilty?

Completely depends on the target,

Which, we don't know.

if scum have the ability to vanillarise multiple nights, why didn't it happen N1?

Ask BRO I am sure he can answer this.

But it is possible they targetted TD N1 to see what Titus gave him; its also possible its x-shot etc.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, riddle me this... why would I attach a bomb onto Tiphane if I was scum? I was also arguing that scum cannot steal abilities twice. It would be too OP.

Well you (the scum) have the ability to take it back via stealing so why not when it helps to derail your wagon?

[Slandaar]

Anyways BRO is confscum soon, fairly sure Titus is also scum but Titus/Mac one is guaranteed to be and then Muffin is a scumbag too.

probably another one... but I dunno I forget everyone else in the game they don't post.

[zMuffinMan]

Ask BRO I am sure he can answer this.

you don't think i'm scum anymore? that was an odd way to address my question seeing as you've been calling me scum since i replaced in.

[zMuffinMan]

o nm you apparently still do.

[BROseidon]

Completely depends on the target,

Which, we don't know.

Dat non-answer.

[Slandaar]

OK generic answer: its possible his ability was stolen and was reaction testing.

So, now then BRO, explain this wifom stuff again?

[BROseidon]

WIFOM indicates that there is a valid, cyclical reasoning cycle that leads you around in circles.

So, the "It's better to go against GP" argument gets countered with "ah, but you could go against BRO and then use that argument to get us to lynch BRO," which in turn gets, "ah, yes, but BRO-scum would have known that that counter-argument would get made," repeat infinitely.

That new answer is actually valid, but still weak given:

1) From my perspective, I know you're scum

2) From everyone else's perspective, that would mean scum could steal abilities 3 (or more) times. That is op as fuck.