Micro 224: 2nd Chance Draw Mafia (A Winner Already?!)

[serrapaladin]

VOTE: Viera Assassin

we need to talk.

[serrapaladin]

@viera: about your main?

@venrob: CE's Friends and Enemies, I think? Although I don't think we were in it together for long.

[serrapaladin]

i think ac is town.Whatever he does is not going to change my opinion .

...so if he does something ridiculously scummy later, you'll still call him town? Why are you so absolute?

After reading his first post i just think it is highly unlikely.

Wow.

[serrapaladin]

I remember you being more questioning than this, Serra.

Who is your (this half's) main? And I would say 31 was "questioning", just sarcastically so.

Spoiler: I'm really going to try to avoid posting too many Buffy gifs, but

Hi DV, I don't think we've been in a game together yet, have we? Your little soft-sheep of Buffy isn't really what I'd expect from you given what I've seen in other games. Let's talk about Kaze, though: I think there might be something there, but perhaps not what you think.

Can anyone here read Venrob? If it were anyone else I would be pushing him for wanting his RVS to be 'random', but not 'silly'...

@Viera: do you want to tell me who your main is?

[serrapaladin]

Hopefuly this keeps pressure on you.

Well he won't feel pressured if you tell him it's a pressure-vote, now will he?

I'll get to this in a bit.

[serrapaladin]

VOTE: DV

Spoiler: Cute.

@Voodoo: HI I remember that game; fun times! My game now is pretty different to back then, though (and I've decided newbie games aren't good for me). You know, I drove a few townies into the ground through over-analysing and I got mislynched by a few shouty people, so I like to think my game is a bit more nuanced now.

@DV: let's talk about how you are willing to sheep Voodoo (do you know her, btw?) onto someone you don't know because of a fairly nondescript statement that implied she hadn't actually played with me in a while. Or you could just admit to being scum? As the most experienced player here (I think?), cheerleading doesn't become you.

@ac: explain how 51 makes venrob town.

I'm sort of travelling at the moment, but I should have regular internet from tomorrow.

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Your post had a hint of "yes. good. go start me a wagon."

Did you think Voodoo wasn't going to follow up on that point unless you gave your approval? You didn't add anything except that you would be willing to go along with her argument if she voted me.

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It's potentially more devious than that if B&D are town. Scum love subtly coaxing townies to make a case against townies.

I'm glad you found a reason to fall back on, though. Good for you. Care to share?

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It is?

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No, we haven't! I'm not sure what you would expect differently though, and the fact that you haven't provided this makes me suspect that you're more concerned with making me less confident in my suspicion of you than anything else, but it's still early days, so who knows?

I don't believe that you actually think I'm scum by the way. Also, you implying that I would not consider other people's arguments is insulting.

Well I don't believe that you don't believe I actually think you're scum. Does this ever work you? If I haven't made it clear, I would expect you NOT to blindly encourage a wagon on someone you don't know by someone you don't know...

Why do you think people are wagoning AC?

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This may or may not be a prod dodge. Anyone wanna vote DV with me?

[serrapaladin]

<3 amished tell.

I think kaze is probably town.

If DV is town, ac would be my next best guess. I do still want DV to hang though. He keeps wanting to downplay what was really horrible scumplay.

[serrapaladin]

DV's amished was too self-aware to be a genuine scumtell, methinks. I'll read what you have to say this afternoon, DV.

I still need to write flavour for my micro... people need to stop quicklynching :/

[serrapaladin]

peng is town, so lets try this:

VOTE: ac

DV can wait.

[serrapaladin]

umm, whoever outed dj should quit mafia? can we not lynch kaze or dj and go for dv or ac instead?

[serrapaladin]

Look you guys, we're not lynching DJ. If you don't want to lynch DV, come vote AC.

[serrapaladin]

Never underestimate the stubbornness of town. I know it's not clear-cut and I understand why you might not want to fakeclaim, but your unwillingness to fullclaim your role doesn't help your cause (something I'm a little surprised DV or peng didn't mention). In general, scum have more to gain from not committing to a specific claim.

Re: AC, I'll mostly defer to peng, but it did bother me that he mentioned he's seen me play town like this, when I don't think I've played at all similar the game I've played with him.

If this is actually town-DV, I'd also have to put in a plug for viera as lurker-scum. Unjustified votes, random town-read on kaze, and almost baiting the amished tell from DJ don't look so good.

@viera: what did you hope to gain by asking DJ about venrob? Venrob's usual play is off as either alignment...

[serrapaladin]

We're actually going to no-lynch, aren't we? Let's see some votes, folks!

I think I'll actually

VOTE: Viera

to see whether that would go anywhere. With the largest wagon at 2 votes, DV's assessment that a new wagon isn't well timed is a bit silly.

My order goes something like DV>AC=viera>kaze, and I'll definitely be around for DL, so you can count my vote for any one of those in that order.

What do people think of my caselet on viera? Anyone else want to see him gone?

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DV, you're actually going to hang on to the idea that I'm scum because you don't like the reason I'm scumreading you for? It seems all too convenient a read for you to bang on about for an entire day. Particularly since the wagon obviously wasn't going anywhere, I'd have expected you to either push it more forcefully or start considering alternatives earlier.

aptil, would you like to share some of your own ideas if you have them?

[serrapaladin]

Which character DJ? And why not claim RB immediately?

Why would I be the scum on the wagon?

The little VA nudge does seem bad by peng and I believe DJ is town. Frankly, if peng flips town, DJ would come under serious fire, so I don't see DJ faking this with so many mislynches to go. I'd pretty much be willing to vote peng.

I'm a little confused by the complete lack of kills since we're expecting 3 anti-town, but that might just mean we have a survivor or something. I still haven't quite wrapped my head around how the setup was chosen.

@mod: do we have any guarantee this is actually 'Mafia'? The way you chose roles, must there be an informed minority mafia of more than 1 player or could there be 1-man "scum"-teams?

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aptil, you truly suck.

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Dj, what do you mean by my vote being the most benign on the wagon? You realise I was the first to sort of start pushing a VA lynch, right?

[serrapaladin]

Dv, are we actually town together? That would actually bother me a little... But yeah, if you agree on peng, that's a great lynch.

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Gg. For the record, I was trying to prolong the day a bit to see if there was a third party to flush out...

I enjoyed playing with you all. Dv, we need to do this again some time without death tunneling each other d1 :p