Yep, specifically joined this game just so I can vote you. I was going to do it in RVS...In post 16, YamiNoKira wrote:Now, then... hello, Brian Skies! Fancy meeting you here.
And then this happened. Damn it Dessew!In post 19, Dessew wrote:I don't know about scum, but I certainly like it.
If you've never played with Saki before, then you probably wouldn't understand.In post 31, YamiNoKira wrote:That's all you have to say? I know we just started, but really? Nothing else?
I agree with this. When used properly, voting is more powerful than you think.In post 37, YamiNoKira wrote:No. I really dislike this. You have no reason not to vote: you only have your voice and your vote, and if you aren't using them, you aren't helping anyone.In post 35, JKLM wrote:Not gonna vote cause its too early for my liking,
If you understand what the RVS and RVS vote is, then get over it. Every game on this forum pretty much starts in this stage until people find something to work off of.In post 45, YamiNoKira wrote:I don't have an issue with the post itself, but it's an RVS vote and contributes absolutely nothing to the game.In post 38, Brian Skies wrote: If you've never played with Saki before, then you probably wouldn't understand.
I understand that you are trying to push the game along. But keep in mind that this is a forum and people have varying degrees of availability. Some people will come into the thread and post just for the sake of avoiding a prod (it will happen, you have to accept it). Also, there are at least two confirmed hydras in this game. Kubbs is one of them.In post 49, YamiNoKira wrote:This has nothing to do with RVS; I've already said I have no issue with the post itself. However, there was more that could have been commented on, and the one post that player made ignored what happened so far and made absolutely no attempt on trying to contribute (outside of RVS).
If I find something that seems scummy to me or something that just doesn't seem right, I'd rather put my vote on that than RV. Your quote caught my attention and I didn't like it.In post 64, Dessew wrote:Sorry, I didn't specify. I meant: please explain why you found the quoted part so scummy that you didn't RV as you initially intented.
Also, if you know Kira from EpicMafia, then what did you ask this?:In post 38, Brian Skies wrote: @Yami: Are you an alt account? Do you play on other forums?
For the sake of flavor, I'm just going to pretend this actually happened.In post 104, DoctorPepper wrote:Saki's door opens, he too fell down the trap door. For some unknown reason, just as he fell, another person pops up.
Again? Im running out of people here. Weaklings. Well, not to worry, for when Saki left, a mysterious person arrived at the exact same time. Everyone, meet Vierra"
Vierra Assassin replaces Saki, effective immediately
If rumors hold true, he didn't.In post 107, Mutleyddmc wrote:Also saki why did you decide to 'replace' out
An RVS vote and an OMGUS. Why are you still condoning this behavior when Saki is in the game.In post 101, -Kubbs- wrote:that is just the way mutley usually plays from my limited experience with him.
-Karnage-
You need seven votes to hammer.In post 132, YamiNoKira wrote:My vote on Mutley is obviously not very useful. I'm half-tempted to just hammer Skelda for D2 reactions, but I'm not that stupid. I'm not entirely sure what to do with it, though. No active player (Skelda/Dessew/Brian Skies (kinda)) is particularly scummy, and votes on inactive players aren't very useful. Meh. I feel like pushing for a lynch since nothing's going on, but we have 9 days and lynching early is generally not seen as pro-town.
Hikari, how confident are you in a Skelda lynch?
Explain. I know notscience is in there. Make your hydra useful or I'm voting you.
As long as your partner makes up for it (and I really do like quality), then this won't become a problem.In post 138, -Kubbs- wrote:I've been very busy this week and will continue to be busy in the upcoming weeks. I'll try and keep up but my post will likely not be very frequent.
Hopefully quality of the content will make up for the quantity.
There are four mafia in this game and they are on separate teams. In my opinion, this makes larger bandwagons more dangerous. So I agree with Skelda about the wariness.In post 141, Skelda wrote:Maybe it is irrational and that quicklynches rarely happen in practice, but I always feel a little wary about them when people start talking about wagons.
Bread-crumbing for the sake of protecting the masons won't work unless everyone is extremely competent. You are talking about two teams of two mafia and a team of three masons. The difference in numbers will just make it easier to sniff out the masons.In post 142, Skelda wrote:If you the Masons won't be capable of it, here's an idea: everyone could breadcrumb, with the Masons telling each other their breadcrumbs. Would that work?
Do you think he's scum? Do you think he's town? If you can't answer yes to either question with confidence, then there is something wrong. And this is why I'm voting him. Just because Kubbs wants to condone his actions up to this point based on meta doesn't mean I have.In post 148, Skelda wrote:What exactly has Mutley done? I don't find him particularly scummy, he hasn't been on my radar much at least.
Karnage, how do you feel about this statement?In post 152, Redelphic wrote:If I might give my insight into Mutley, this is his usual playstyle. Yes it can be misconstrude as scum (or purposely used to that affect) but where Mutley begins to shine and open up is in the later game where he can be a powerful ally. I would not suggest lynching him Day 1, and I'm taking a leap of faith in saying that which I hope you appreciate.
I already told you I found your RVS vote scummy, which I didn't like at the time. Get over it.In post 162, Dessew wrote:Brian, Brian, Brian...
There is a difference in numbers: 5 townies, 3 masons, 2 mafia, 2 werewolves. Unless the town knows what they're doing, the masons will stick out like sore thumbs. Even if the town will be able to point them out later, if the bread-crumbing isn't done properly, the mafia teams will sniff them out before night 1 is done.In post 162, Dessew wrote:I don't see how it could make mason easier to find.
I don't think I'm being clear.In post 164, Skelda wrote:What makes you think the masons breadcrumbs will be any better than town's? If everyone breadcrumbs, the scum have no way of telling the difference between townie and mason breadcrumbs, and because of the nature of the mason role, if one of them dies the role will be fake-claimable by scum, so it would be beneficial to the rest of us to let the Masons be able to leave hints of their identity safely. The only downsides I see are that if two Masons die it takes a validity out of breadcrumbs and it removes the scumtell of leaving Mason breadcrumbs.
Just be glad you're even getting that much. It's not indicative of the slot (same issue with Mutley).In post 169, Skelda wrote:He is making more an an effort than, say,Viera, whose longest post has consisted of correcting the spelling of her name.
Yay! Now I don't have to vote you for stupid reasons.In post 170, notscience wrote:DP I don't think fuzzynut's going to show so I'ma just play as me
Just a heads up
Redelphic probably has the worst reads list I've seen in a while
Come on redelphic, lets 1v1
Me and you
right now scumfuck
It's more hysterical that you found those two posts indicative enough to outright call the slot scum.In post 176, Redelphic wrote:Oh, that makes more sense.
What doesn't make any sense is why you would even try and defend that shit play Blue Bonnet. A 2 letter first post and then a random vote on the town as fuck hiraki, it's hysterical that you have the gull to call me scum.
I'm not. But like it or not, this is how the person plays the game. There are better lynches as killing VA won't give us any information. If the problem persists, we can always policy lynch him later down the road before we get to lylo.In post 177, YamiNoKira wrote:Are you okay with this, though?
I think so too, but not because you're asking me to.In post 189, notscience wrote:Brian, your vote would be much better served on Redelphic.
I was actually wondering about this. But it might be because of how aggressively Yami came out of the gates.In post 206, notscience wrote:His playstyle is really abrasive, which was weird to me given how so many people townread him in this game versus back in our game where he wasn't.
It's just the nature of the game. Even scum can get townreads.In post 79, YamiNoKira wrote:Yes, that's true, scum do have to scumhunt for the other faction, instead of just defending themselves or purposely trying to lynch a townie. I'm not sure why you brought this up, though...In post 75, JKLM wrote:While technically speaking this is a moot point, it is much easier for scum to act pro town in this set up as they naturally have to hunt down the other mafia. I'm not saying that scum don't act scummy still, or that townish players are scum as well, that's be stupid. What I AM saying is that scum can easily be more subtle. That's the word, subtle.
This is what I originally thought it was.In post 233, notscience wrote:And I like to proddodge
Redelphic replaced JKLM. I can assure you that the slot was already scummy before Red replaced in.In post 232, Skelda wrote:And as for notscience and Brian Skies, I think you are both town, although if Red flips town (unlikely), I might wind up feeling differently. Actually, I'm probably going to feel differently at some point since I'm always second-guessing myself in these games, but as for right now based on this argument you both seem to have the best interest of the town in mind.
Or you could get off your high horse and realize we aren't the only two who thought the slot was scummy.In post 237, Skelda wrote:Oh of course! I forgot about that! Two scummy players in a spot=REALLY scummy spot.In post 236, Brian Skies wrote:Redelphic replaced JKLM. I can assure you that the slot was already scummy before Red replaced in.In post 232, Skelda wrote:And as for notscience and Brian Skies, I think you are both town, although if Red flips town (unlikely), I might wind up feeling differently. Actually, I'm probably going to feel differently at some point since I'm always second-guessing myself in these games, but as for right now based on this argument you both seem to have the best interest of the town in mind.
I'm not even going to acknowledge this. I'll return to this thread tomorrow.In post 240, notscience wrote:Here's a member of the other scumteam.In post 238, Skelda wrote:Or you could, um, generate content?
I'm sorry, prod-dodging is annoying and should be done less. You have a better chance of catching scum participating, as far as I'm concerned.
It's clear you haven't read what I've been doing and yet you're passing me off as "not producing content."
2/4, where's the other 2.
Does this feel like a person who has a firm grasp on the game to you?In post 187, Redelphic wrote:I know Mutley and this is how he plays.I don't know VA and I don't understand why you would replace in only to completely ignore game discussion.
I love how you are all totally misreading my reads, I should have never posted them; they are how I take notes and I shouldn't have expected you to understand them.
Posting your reads and thoughts are good for the town and helps discussion. But if you are only going to post your reads to look like town and retract/discredit them when they are challenged, then you shouldn't post it at all. It's a very scummy thing to do.In post 250, YamiNoKira wrote:Maybe you should try to explain them? Trying to retract your reads and saying we can't understand them doesn't help you at all.In post 187, Redelphic wrote:I love how you are all totally misreading my reads, I should have never posted them; they are how I take notes and I shouldn't have expected you to understand them.
Can you explain those terms? I feel bad for asking (because I usually don't), but I can't find their meanings online.In post 247, Metal Sonic wrote:the 1v1 between Notsci and Reledelphic IS NOT TvT; it is likely to be TvS or even worse SvS according to the first few posts
You should refresh your list when it's beneficial, not just because you feel like it needs to be done.In post 251, Metal Sonic wrote:what ever i'll refresh the reads list at around like... page 17 or so?
It's not alignment indicative. VA is playing to his meta. If you have two players that haven't done anything alignment indicative but are both playing to their meta, then you have to be consistent in your treatment of the slots.In post 252, -Kubbs- wrote:It's not indicative of what about the slot?In post 171, Brian Skies wrote:Just be glad you're even getting that much.In post 169, Skelda wrote:He is making more an an effort than, say,Viera, whose longest post has consisted of correcting the spelling of her name.It's not indicative of the slot (same issue with Mutley).
This is misleading because you are ignoring/omitting post 136 which is the direct cause of Yami's vote.In post 254, Redelphic wrote:In post 132, YamiNoKira wrote:My vote on Mutley is obviously not very useful. I'm half-tempted to just hammer Skelda for D2 reactions, but I'm not that stupid..........and votes on inactive players aren't very useful. Meh. I feel like pushing for a lynch since nothing's going on, but we have 9 days and lynching early is generally not seen as pro-town.
Hikari, how confident are you in a Skelda lynch?This came off scummy to me as someone who is looking for an easy lynch. First, that hammer thing was weird at the beginning since you obviously were thinking of a vote without even checking the vote log. Second, after saying votes on inactives are useless and scummy you immediately vote an inactive player.
How does this affect your reads of Yami and Kubbs? Also, explain what you were implying in regards to the Saki bus.In post 254, Redelphic wrote:I would like to apologize for this one, the mention of a saki bus was not suppose to be in your category. It was a reference to the -kubbs- vote and must have been mixed up.In post 177, YamiNoKira wrote:When you are accusing people of bussing early D1, you're doing something wrong. Unless you feel like making an actual case on me, your vote and reads are meaningless to me.In post 167, Redelphic wrote:Early bus on Saki?
That said, will you elaborate? If you think I'm the scummiest of everyone, considering I've posted a lot (at least early on), you should be able to do more than one line of explanation.
I don't know what you hope to accomplish by repeatedly asking me the same question. And it's getting rather irritating.In post 255, Dessew wrote:Brian, last time you found the quoted part scummy, and I'm asking you about your reasons.
This is more along the idea that Red didn't know Saki and VA are the same person, even though a couple people (myself included) have already tried to make this obvious.In post 279, YamiNoKira wrote:You mean how VA's and Mutley's activity are nearly the same? I'm still waiting on an answer about that as well.
No, this was directly addressed to notscience. There are no underlying reasons and I couldn't care less how other people view it.In post 301, -Kubbs- wrote:why do you feel the need to say the bolded part? Are you afraid of being called out on it?
I said I thought he was probably town but wasn't sure (hence me asking for opinions). All I had on him was a gut-read (admittedly, I wasn't reading the game very thoroughly the first time through because of the way JKLM wrote his posts [headaches and stuff]) and Dessew was increasingly irritating me by asking me the same question over and over. After a re-read though, I realized I was just overreacting. I'm pretty sure I have a post somewhere that implies the last part already.In post 301, -Kubbs- wrote:Why do you think he's town?
I'm starting to see the abrasiveness notscience was alluding to. And the attack on Red just seems like something that would come from notscience. So yeah, I have a townlean on notscience.In post 301, -Kubbs- wrote:Notscience is town.
I'm having trouble developing a proper read on Hiraki.
I'm not interested in Vieira Assasin(yet). He gets to live until day 2 for now.
Skelda is scum and should get more votes.
JKLM/Redelphic slot is still scummy.
Because I feel like he might open up more on D2 or D3. If he doesn't, he dies.In post 307, Hiraki wrote:But you're willing to go for policy on D2 because...?
I voted Mutley after only one person (karnage) told me it was typical Mutley play, but he didn't say anything significant about his meta. So I assumed I could still get some information out of him. Nothing substantive came until Red told me (which came after I had already voted Mutley). Either way, there were two people with shit metas at the time (VA being the other) and it didn't make sense to let both of them through the gate. It didn't matter who I voted for, I could have just flipped a coin. But Red was all "please don't lynch Mutley."In post 333, -Kubbs- wrote:catching up here and there, ISO'ing some of our question marks:
Then why after two players told you that it was typical muttley play (ie his meta) did you vote for him but not VA? That doesn't seem to be consistent.In post 258, Brian Skies wrote:It's not alignment indicative. VA is playing to his meta. If you have two players that haven't done anything alignment indicative but are both playing to their meta, then you have to be consistent in your treatment of the slots.In post 252, -Kubbs- wrote:It's not indicative of what about the slot?In post 171, Brian Skies wrote:Just be glad you're even getting that much.In post 169, Skelda wrote:He is making more an an effort than, say,Viera, whose longest post has consisted of correcting the spelling of her name.It's not indicative of the slot (same issue with Mutley).
-Karnage-
Remind me who your scumreads are again?
Who is this person?In post 342, mnemonicdevice wrote:Alright. I have caught up... mostly. My reads are, in order from most to least scummy:
Metal
Yami
Skelda
Viera(SAKI)
Notscience
Dessew
Kubbs
Luigi
Hiraki
Red
Brian
I think that is everyone.
That is the order in which I would lynch. The people at the bottom I wouldn't.
